Campione!: Matsurowanu Kamigami to Kamigoroshi no Maou Episode 3 Discussion

Nasty001 said:




Whoa, ho,ho Goudo u dirty boy, now that 2 girls u have just kissed, I wonder if he gonna bang any of them?

kyled00m said:
Enough hate & love for Athena... she could easily regain her powers by siding with Godou... being a human, he would die within 100 years for sure and she could bring destruction... I don't get how Gods/Goddesses as powerful and immortal as they are, don't realize the extent of how to truly manipulate people... The fact that she let Erika get away just shows how she doesn't care how long it takes... The whole time Erika was casting incantations, she was open and Athena's speed is like the speed of light... she could have won that fight a million times over...

Now that I said all that, I realize how much this anime is lacking... I could understand the god who Godou took the powers from, wanting to lose and then come back to a real fight later but Athena is so overpowered and isn't even using any of it... it kind of makes me think I'm watching Athena masturbate to how miniscule Godou and Erika are to her... does she really get off on tormenting them mentally? The longer a fight goes on, the more your opponent has a chance to defeat you... Does she want to be defeated too or something?

darthfanta said:
Actually, Godou's semi-immortal. Unless he gets killed and his corpse gets destroyed, he'd remain alive just like the other campiones.

Yumekichi11 said:
Thing is Athena needs not to do that. I do think in this case it was to up the sensual.

wakka9ca said:
Campiones are demi-god essentially.

Immahnoob said:
Philosophical talk about the anime? Or 'real life' immortality that has nothing to do with anything and does not even exist?

Todd_Jensen said:
Man, he got to tongue 2 girls this episode. I'm so jealous of this guy.

kyled00m said:
If he got killed twice in 1 day, he'd die permanently... He can only using each of the 10 skills of Veratragna once a day... He's not Jesus with the ability to revive at will. Plus, the only reason the Ram could heal him was because he wasn't killed, his life energy was drained while he still had the Ram active to replenish what he lost. I don't know how immortal you think Godou is but it doesn't seem hard to kill him since he is using the magic of others to activate his skills.

Anyways, "Athena is the goddess of wisdom, courage, inspiration, civilization, law and justice, just warfare, mathematics, strength, strategy, the arts, crafts, and skill. Athena is also a shrewd companion of heroes and is the goddess of heroic endeavour."(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Athena) In short, she's overpowered and her fight with Erika was merely her playing with a straw doll... I wonder what would have happened had Athena actually fought seriously... She could probably take their souls and use them as Pawns in her chess board. She could even give them the illusion of defeating her and then stow away inside one of them, meet up with the item she wants and take it.... there are too many possibilities to count. The anime is treating the mighty-powerful Goddess Athena like a newborn child... As a Goddess of wisdom and strategy, she's being disgraced by this anime.

I think you should think more deeply before giving such an answer again. Remember, Verathragna wanted to be defeated so that he could come back and have someone worth fighting... This means that Verathragna will come back as many times as it takes to kill Campione's and Gods/Goddesses.

darthfanta said:
The real truth about a campione is that they have super fast regeneration abilities, with an extremely durable body. I am saying that unless it's an attack that is a one hit kill, as in decaptivation, he can normally survive attacks that are fatal, such as a being impaled through the chest. Again, Campiones are semi-immortal, as I have said before, they can't die from old age.

-MgZ_ said:
I have a lot of questions about the story. I only get a little thing about what is happening.

But the more important part is of course, the kissing scene. Wow Erica. Too bold.

Godou is a gay, why don't he love Erica back :X

-MgZ_ said:
Godou is a gay, why don't he love Erica back :X

kyled00m said:
Their regeneration isn't fast like Ulqiorra's from Bleach, which was relatively fast if you ask me. It's probably on the level of vampire where you can regenerate over a days time or longer. The three that are over hundreds of years old probably made deals with Gods like Athena and got protection from roaming Gods... I'm pretty sure that no matter how powerful a Campione becomes, they can still be killed by humans just like the Gods can defeat the temporary containers the Gods bear when they appear in the world... If you look at it though, there are countless ways to, as you put it, `1-hit kill`.
1)Destroy the heart
2)Destroy the brain
3)Explosive deaths
4)Radiation poison
5)Forced rapid cancer
6)Lava death
7)Virus
8)Forced allergic reaction death
9)Put things inside them and let them regenerate... so Shrapnel?
10)etc...

Do I really have to continue? That's 9 ways for humans to `1-hit kill` others. You don't get a new body when you become a Campione, your current body just becomes resistant to old age as far as we've been informed.

And as I said... even gods can be killed so your `invincible` or `immortality` is a joke. All things that are living will die. It is the only thing guaranteed to all LIVING things. If you think about it... even the concept of souls, are in a way still living beyond the physical realm and can die... :P Isn't death wonderful! hahahaha

Tenchi_Ryu said:

And remember she even said that she thought Godou was a "good man". She didn't actually WANT to kill him, more of a "just business" sort of thing. Probably decided to at least kiss the shit out of him if she had to kiss of death him.

-MgZ_ said:
I have a lot of questions about the story. I only get a little thing about what is happening.

But the more important part is of course, the kissing scene. Wow Erica. Too bold.

Godou is a gay, why don't he love Erica back :X

GarethXL said:


story so far, the relic that godou took back with him is a part of athena that was sealed away, and that is the reason she is a legal loli, the reason erica gave godou the relic is so that both he and athena to duke it out and godou slay her to get her authority and grow in strength

as for immortality campiones arn't immortal and the reason suiren, voban and jhon p. smith could live so long is due to them not dieing when fighting other gods, and lady aisha could live for so long is due to the fact that she's a hermit

darthfanta said:
No they didn't, they never made any deals with other gods.They(at least Voban and Lao Hao) slaughtered every god they have came across.It is a god and a campione's instinct to kill one another.Campiones are essentially hunters of gods, and they have done everything possible(save Godou), even to pure ridiculous extents, to find and kill gods. Have you even read the novel? Campiones, of course, can be killed by humans. That cannot be refuted, but only if they do not resist. Their bodies are essentially as hard as steel, almost fully immune to magic cast by humans(unless they use a certain method). Also, they have almost bestial instinct which alerts them to a wide number of dangers. You have got to have some damned luck to kill one.Although, suffocation, starvation and poison are possible ways to kill one.Even then,if my memory is correct, they also have some levels of immunity against drugs and poisons(a.k.a their effect would not be as strong as they should be).And no, I never said Campiones are immortal, I just said that they are semi-immortal, meaning that age cannot kill them. That aside, some of the campiones' authorities does actually promote a sense of invincibility. And no, a god does not die. Even though one can be killed, they will ALWAYS return as long as there's worshipers or people who remember their tales.

kyled00m said:
I'm basing my discussion on the anime since I haven't read anything else. Keep in mind that anime tends to drift a bit away from other forms of media. Also, Semi-immortal has a multitude of meanings... For example:
a) Immune to death by aging
b) Immune to disease
c) Can only be killed by [insert object]
d) Can only be killed during [insert time] or by [insert power|rank or better force]
e) Turns into gas to prevent death (Vampire)
f) Becomes a soul that returns to phylactery (Lich)
g) etc....
There's plenty more... I explained how killing Gods worked for this series... you destroy their Earthly bodies, not their true bodies... Of course there can always be ways around that too. If you ask me, the way Gods are set up in this system reminds me of Gods from Dungeons and Dragons 3.0 Deities... "When the deity suffers an attack that should destroy it, it simply disperses and reassembles later. Roll 10d10 to determine the number of days before the deity returns." I find your 'their skin's as hard as steel' to be humorous, is it a joke? :3

Keep in mind, this is an anime... `dumb luck` is commonplace.

darthfanta said:
NOTE:I just had a discussion with the other readers of Campione! on animesuki. They all agreed that it was mentioned within the novel that campiones are indeed semi-immortal, with most believing that it was implied that campiones are similar to elves from LOTR, meaning that they are invulnerable to age, but susceptible to physical harm. Meaning that unless you starve him, shoot him etc, the Godou cannot die by via an illness or old age.And by the way, it's their bones that are as hard as steel( and no, it's not a joke).

kyled00m said:
Virus/Cancer isn't an illness... Viruses mask themselves as a part of your natural DNA and spread within you. Meanwhile cancer is a part of the human DNA structure, everyone has it. If you don't die from cancer, you tend to end up with a completely grotesque body especially since the CANCER cells would be healed and accelerated when you try and get rid of the tumors caused... their regenerative abilities work against them. Radiation is natural so using radiation waves to cause cancer in a Campione seems to be an ideal way of weakening/poisoning them seeing as radiation poison isn't the kind of poison a god from D&D3.0 would be resistant to. Poisons that you'd gain resistance/immunity to are the ingested kinds and disease is what you become immune to Viruses are not diseases so they bypass that immunity...

I love how a simple knowledge of things like these help in these kinds of discussions :D

rodac said:
we can assume that Erica saved his life by fleeing with his intact body while Athena was surrounded by the sword fence.

darthfanta said:
What I am trying to say is that these blokes is that these guys would not develop cancer in the first place, and for some reason, viruses cannot takeover and replicate in a campione's cell--just like the gods. Please keep in mind that a campione is considered almost a separate species from regular humans within the series.And by the way, viral infections and cancer are considered a kind of illness. By definition,illness meant the absence of physical well-being.As for radiation, it is just an assumption that they might work. A campione's body functions entirely different from a normal living being. E.g. There's also a discussion on animesuki where people have pointed out(I am neutral on this one) that if campiones can indeed die from radiation, the mages would have lured him/her to a remote area and nuked him/her(utilizing their powerful connections with various governments) instead of putting up with their BS.

rodac said:
I'll just say that Athena is probably the least likely of the Greek Pantheon to slip the tongue in while kissing a mortal, so I found that a little off-putting. On the other hand she does hold a grudge extremely well (ask the Trojans about that) so she makes a good major enemy. Since Athena's plan was to chop Godou to pieces and she should know how to kill him as she is the goddess of wisdom, I think we can assume that Erica saved his life by fleeing with his intact body while Athena was surrounded by the sword fence.

Zenkiri said:
That was a good episode.
I always laugh when I hear the name "Lance of Longinus" cause it just sounds so wrong....or maybe it just sounds wrong to me. >.>

noireo said:
@kyled00m
Are you basing your opinion in LN? or your own knowledge?

noireo said:
@kyled00m
I don't think they won't get cancer...that would be funny as hell.
"Humans and probably Campione alike have cells... the requirement to get a virus is Cells."
but campione can adapt unlike human. They are reborn that way.
So, A campione will be immune to your virus after a while.
Even if they got killed some of them can return from the dead.
Well they are not treating them like lv1 slime that's for sure...its just that anime failed to deliver the tension of even meeting the gods much less fighting them.
Most of the time a human could not even stand infront of a god.

kyled00m said:
If you;re going to join the discussion, please read all the parts I said beforehand.
I'm afraid you know too little of how cancer and viruses work to properly discuss this with me. As I explained... Cancer LIVES in EVERY humans body, lying dormant... Any number of reasons could trigger it to awaken. Viruses can be caused by a multitude of reasons and since they infect your cells rather than your body, which count as separate lifeforms while being the same life form(I said it's complicated before so I wont go any deeper into this part), as long as you have Cells, whether you god, animal, or whatever has cells, the virus can take effect. Campiones and Humans fall under animals so viruses that work on humans work on Campiones...

A campione can adapt? That is a joke. The main quality of humans, that has kept the race alive for generations is there ability to adapt. The fact that a Campione can adapt is nothing short of them originating from humans.

I'm sorry to burst your 'they are reborn that way' but even Godou wasn't reborn... Pandora merely brought him back to life.... Gotta love her curiosity.


Let me explain my metaphor... Gods > treated LIKE > Lv1 Slime. This is to say that near infinite powered beings are being treated like a single celled organism. Being the Goddess of Wisdom, and knowing why Godou is a threat, Athena would know all of the abilities he got from Varathragna, including the ram and that he would revive... I'm sorry but with her knowledge and how she dealt with that situation... not to mention how Varathragna knew he would lose.... it's like they want to die... are they emo? suicidal? Looking for a release from their eternity of life? I wonder... it makes me realize how pointless every gods power is... they may as well strip and open their mouths wide for all the t-baggs they'll get ..................

darthfanta said:
If you continue to argue that campiones can develop cancer...

kyled00m said:
You're a retard. I didn't say they DEVELOP CANCER. I said cancer is inside the human body and since all that happens from huamn to campione is the body becomes augmented in various ways, the cancer still exists. I FUCKING HATE when people don't read. People need to learn about their own fucking bodies before they try and argue shit like this. -_-"

The gods temporary bodies have not been given specific information... for all we know, they're made of pebbles rolled together with an illusion spell that makes them appear to be there... If their physical forms we see are like animal bodies(aka humans or the sub-species of humans, the campione) then they might have dormant cancer in their bodies as well. Cancer doesn't kill, it just fucks with how you look and causes tumors. A god would just look deformed as hell and probably be begging to be killed.

Campiones may function differently than humans but they are also a sub-species of humans.

As I said... Athena had millions of opportunities during that fight with Erika to kill both Erika and Godou... If you ask me, she was merely sitting there letting them die like the Vice captain did in the mere presence of Yamamoto(Bleach reference).... If she truly intended on killing him, he would be completely dead and Erika would be skewered a couple million times over. Athena speed was instantaneous. Erika was casting for over 2 seconds per time... instant speed means instant-kills means Erika dies instantly and Godou dies. >_> WHY IS SHE BEING TREATED LIKE AN EMO!!!! Poor daughter of Zeus....

kyled00m said:
You're a retard. I didn't say they DEVELOP CANCER. I said cancer is inside the human body and since all that happens from huamn to campione is the body becomes augmented in various ways, the cancer still exists. I FUCKING HATE when people don't read. People need to learn about their own fucking bodies before they try and argue shit like this. -_-"

The gods temporary bodies have not been given specific information... for all we know, they're made of pebbles rolled together with an illusion spell that makes them appear to be there... If their physical forms we see are like animal bodies(aka humans or the sub-species of humans, the campione) then they might have dormant cancer in their bodies as well. Cancer doesn't kill, it just fucks with how you look and causes tumors. A god would just look deformed as hell and probably be begging to be killed.

Campiones may function differently than humans but they are also a sub-species of humans.

As I said... Athena had millions of opportunities during that fight with Erika to kill both Erika and Godou... If you ask me, she was merely sitting there letting them die like the Vice captain did in the mere presence of Yamamoto(Bleach reference).... If she truly intended on killing him, he would be completely dead and Erika would be skewered a couple million times over. Athena speed was instantaneous. Erika was casting for over 2 seconds per time... instant speed means instant-kills means Erika dies instantly and Godou dies. >_> WHY IS SHE BEING TREATED LIKE AN EMO!!!! Poor daughter of Zeus....

darthfanta said:
But the problem about Lao Hao and Voban is that the two of them are already well beyond the expected life span of a human. While Lao Hao may have used some daoist magic ritual to extend her lifespan, the same cannot be said about Voban--that guy knows neither martial arts nor magic incantations or rituals. That leaves only two possibilities--the guy either had an authority that allows him to live an eternity or campiones are indeed semi-immortal(resistant to age, but not to physical harm). As for Lady Aisha, being a hermit does not explain how she lived so long.What's more, according to dialogues, campiones are implied to only die when they get killed by gods or other campiones, with little to none dying safely in bed.

GarethXL said:


1. capione has extremely extended lifespan and if i'm not mistaken it was quoted somewhere that magician with high magical powers in them generally has been able to live slightly longer then normal humans. eg. zora, the old dame, st. rafeal

and we have to remember campiones basically has as much magical power as gods.

2. the reason suiren looks young is the same as zora

3. reason why lady aisha is her hermit has an effect on her lifespan is because
being a hermit = not meeting other camione / gods = no need to fight that has a chance of die

as for the argument on cancer *points to deadpool

and for the argument of gods being treated as lv1 slime / acting stupid
basically giving your biggest threat to you even though you took an intrest to him a kiss of death and splitting his body so that he can't resurrect is leaving them there to die??

as for v, like i rant about ep1 the whole thing came out flat due to the bad pacing

GarethXL said:


1. capione has extremely extended lifespan and if i'm not mistaken it was quoted somewhere that magician with high magical powers in them generally has been able to live slightly longer then normal humans. eg. zora, the old dame, st. rafeal

and we have to remember campiones basically has as much magical power as gods.

2. the reason suiren looks young is the same as zora

3. reason why lady aisha is her hermit has an effect on her lifespan is because
being a hermit = not meeting other camione / gods = no need to fight that has a chance of die

as for the argument on cancer *points to deadpool

and for the argument of gods being treated as lv1 slime / acting stupid
basically giving your biggest threat to you even though you took an intrest to him a kiss of death and splitting his body so that he can't resurrect is leaving them there to die??

as for v, like i rant about ep1 the whole thing came out flat due to the bad pacing

noireo said:
@kyled00m
I have read all of your post before...you just keep comparing them to human while darthfanta said consider them they are completely different species.

If u have never read the novels i suggest u don't argue basing your own opinion.
GarethXL ,darthfanta are people who have seriously read the LNs.
Like they said your arguments have many holes.

BTW darthfanta and GarethXL, if u have read v6 and 7 spoiled me a bit.
Is JPT female like author said in V3 afterword?