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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Overall a decent ending. Although I don't know the exact meaning of the ending but I think: - The earth gets re-cycled? - The 4 wolves and Cheza must do this everytime an evil appears (this time Darcia's eye)? - The show was all about rebirth of the world? What I don't know is what actually happend to Kiba at the end? Did he found the Paradise? If anyone has a better explanation for the ending, please post it. |
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| I would just add that Darcia's eye didn't ruin the paradise, it merely added balance to the world. As Darcia said life can't exist without death, and happiness cannot exist without sadness. Things cannot exist (or at least there existence is meaningless) unless they are somehow differentiated from the singularity. Concepts, emotions, personalities, etc. all are defined by their contrast to their opposites as well as their contemporaries. A world without conflict or chaos would be inherently static. Entropy would reign. Nothing would ever happen and nothing would change; perfect paradise would be much like the realm Kiba visited when he was in the grip of the Desert's Bones. It would seem great at first, but slowly everything would blend together and your own existence would become pointless. You would forget everything that made you you and you would lose your ego. I think a lot of parallels can be drawn to the End of Evangelion. Shinji opted out of a world of singularity. A seemingly perfect world without suffering, misunderstanding and conflict. This was because that conflict and suffering are inherit to the human condition, and perfect peace is only archived in death. That is to say that to exist in a completely static, entropic environment is essentially the same as dying. Life is defined by conflict and struggle. word up. |
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tehxsikkest said: I would just add that Darcia's eye didn't ruin the paradise, it merely added balance to the world. As Darcia said life can't exist without death, and happiness cannot exist without sadness. Things cannot exist (or at least there existence is meaningless) unless they are somehow differentiated from the singularity. Concepts, emotions, personalities, etc. all are defined by their contrast to their opposites as well as their contemporaries. A world without conflict or chaos would be inherently static. Entropy would reign. Nothing would ever happen and nothing would change; perfect paradise would be much like the realm Kiba visited when he was in the grip of the Desert's Bones. It would seem great at first, but slowly everything would blend together and your own existence would become pointless. You would forget everything that made you you and you would lose your ego. I think a lot of parallels can be drawn to the End of Evangelion. Shinji opted out of a world of singularity. A seemingly perfect world without suffering, misunderstanding and conflict. This was because that conflict and suffering are inherit to the human condition, and perfect peace is only archived in death. That is to say that to exist in a completely static, entropic environment is essentially the same as dying. Life is defined by conflict and struggle. word up. Beautifully said!! |
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| I didn't really get the ending at first either but I found this page and clears things up very well http://www.animeyume.com/wolfs_rain/wrending.html |
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| Liked The Series Alot The ending confused me as well But Nexas's Web http://www.animeyume.com/wolfs_rain/wrending.html Really did clear up alot of my confusion |
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| From the very beginning I knew that it would finish like this =_= But the ending gives hope)) |
| Ending is really confusing, but i think that world just restarted, and Kiba succesed to open the Paradise, well it's just my opinion, as Kiba said "there is no paradise on the earth", and to success paradise was to restart world. Restart to Balanced, Peace World. but thats just my opinion |
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Nexas said: I didn't really get the ending at first either but I found this page and clears things up very well http://www.animeyume.com/wolfs_rain/wrending.html that was just like my literature teacher explaining me all those metaphores and hidden meanings that I just don't get. thanks so much, it was a real help :D |
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Serduszko said: But the situation after he fall into water and we see him and the others in town,is it a dream? Might not. I can say when the world was reborn, they needed the wolves or maybe, they weren't wolves anymore but normal humans. It's just my opinion though. |
| Nice ending, I didn't find anything to be confusing. The explanations were actually quite interesting, about how wolfs become humans, how the world is re-created, etc. I also liked seeing the 4 main wolfs in the new world all the way at the end~ |
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| So basically, the plot of Wolf's Rain happens every time Kiba defeats Darcia? Like, the world regenerates and they all start over again not knowing each other? It's kind of like The Matrix effect. |
People are strange, when you're a stranger |
| I thought it was a beautiful ending to a...well, to a stupid series. Those last two episodes were very good, though. I admit that I cried...multiple times. And I didn't even like the rest of the series. |
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| Maybe they were humans this time... because wolves weren't needed? So that would mean that humans had the potential to reach 'paradise'. Because even though Kiba is human in the newest cycle, he is still the one who will open paradise. That makes me happy to think about, at least. =) |
| @everyone who is confused: tehxsikkest said: I would just add that Darcia's eye didn't ruin the paradise, it merely added balance to the world. As Darcia said life can't exist without death, and happiness cannot exist without sadness. Things cannot exist (or at least there existence is meaningless) unless they are somehow differentiated from the singularity. Concepts, emotions, personalities, etc. all are defined by their contrast to their opposites as well as their contemporaries. A world without conflict or chaos would be inherently static. Entropy would reign. Nothing would ever happen and nothing would change; perfect paradise would be much like the realm Kiba visited when he was in the grip of the Desert's Bones. It would seem great at first, but slowly everything would blend together and your own existence would become pointless. You would forget everything that made you you and you would lose your ego. I think a lot of parallels can be drawn to the End of Evangelion. Shinji opted out of a world of singularity. A seemingly perfect world without suffering, misunderstanding and conflict. This was because that conflict and suffering are inherit to the human condition, and perfect peace is only archived in death. That is to say that to exist in a completely static, entropic environment is essentially the same as dying. Life is defined by conflict and struggle. word up. This is probably one of the best explanations of the ending you'll ever find c: |
| all I can say is...dammmmmmmmmmn shit got crazy |
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| One of the most intense stories I've ever watched. It was painful going through all 4 episodes, but it was well worth it, I loved the symbolic ending and the fact that Kiba in the end managed to open paradise even when everything seemed hopeless and pointless... I guess that, like many mentioned already, the world was recycled through the opening of Paradise, but there will always be a Darcia, and human nature, to corrupt it or balance it. |
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| Good enough 6/10. |
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| I think this is a great ending although this is indeed depressing that everyone died, i like how the story was all about the rebirth of the world, this takes reference from Buddhism here, i myself being a Buddhist i am pretty impressed how it was all put together :D tehxsikkest said: I would just add that Darcia's eye didn't ruin the paradise, it merely added balance to the world. As Darcia said life can't exist without death, and happiness cannot exist without sadness. Things cannot exist (or at least there existence is meaningless) unless they are somehow differentiated from the singularity. Concepts, emotions, personalities, etc. all are defined by their contrast to their opposites as well as their contemporaries. A world without conflict or chaos would be inherently static. Entropy would reign. Nothing would ever happen and nothing would change; perfect paradise would be much like the realm Kiba visited when he was in the grip of the Desert's Bones. It would seem great at first, but slowly everything would blend together and your own existence would become pointless. You would forget everything that made you you and you would lose your ego. I think a lot of parallels can be drawn to the End of Evangelion. Shinji opted out of a world of singularity. A seemingly perfect world without suffering, misunderstanding and conflict. This was because that conflict and suffering are inherit to the human condition, and perfect peace is only archived in death. That is to say that to exist in a completely static, entropic environment is essentially the same as dying. Life is defined by conflict and struggle. word up. ^ Couldn't have said it better~ Nexas said: I didn't really get the ending at first either but I found this page and clears things up very well http://www.animeyume.com/wolfs_rain/wrending.html This is pretty much a longer version of what "tehxsikkest" said, with more details :) All in all i loved this series 9/10 for the TV series and 10/10 for OVA from me :3 |
| Belated addition to this - I think the linked website does a great job of helping make some sense of this, I would also mention that Cheza promises Kiba that 'next time' he'll find the paradise he seeks, and it cant be done this time because shes an artificial flower - which implies some closure for the next time.. Wasnt to sure on the OVA arc initially when it became apparent that they were going to kill every character off, however I think the ending was satisfactory enough. |
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| So good, dramatic and confusing ending. I think I got it, or at least the part of it wich is meaningful to me at this point. Last four episodes was so great... And maybe the four of the wolves were still wolves, but as Darcia said they may have forgotten their nature, and they still can find the wolf in them. Or maybe they now needed even better illusion to deceive humans! I think that maybe if you're wolf once, you may stay wolf forever. The world has reborned so many times, and there still were wolfs existing. I don't think that either of the four of them can find their paradise on earth, to become humans. |
MeritasApr 2, 2011 2:45 AM
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| nice ending, liked the last 4 eps more than their former eps. ending was made a bit better at that link in one of the first posts, rarely try to interpitate "what" happend at endings to its great when someone else try to state their opinion on the matter. 8/10 for ending 7/10 for the show |
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| the last scene (kiba started runnin exactly as "Stray" started playing) sent shivers down my spine i swear!!...anyone else? |
| My theories: 1. I think it's just going in a circle, always starting from the beginning, and everytime they go further. Maybe one day they'll find Paradise. 2. Or, Paradise=Earth, but they continue searching for it, and it restarts everytime. I'm going to believe in the first opinion :3 |
๐ป๐ฎ๐ฝ๐พ๐ป๐ท ๐ฝ๐ธ ๐๐พ๐ผ๐พ ๐๐ฒ๐ฝ๐ฑ ๐ถ๐ฎ |
| Beautifully phrased, tehxsikkest. You just saved me several minutes typing up my own similar intrepretation of the ending. The cornerstone of the finale was this quote from Darcia; without it, the ending would've been mired in ambiguity and wholly unsatisfying: Darcia said: In [Paradise], there is neither perfect happiness, nor joy, nor life. This is because it also does not contain perfect sadness, misery or death. I'll also draw a similar quote from Sougetsu no Juujika: Celia Fortner said: We do not desire the dark lord, per se. For God to be perfectly good, there must be a being of perfect darkness. Everything in this universe is by necessity viewed from a frame of reference. When we say that something or someone "shows its true colors," we are only referring to the colors it shows from one particular frame of reference -- how many "true colors" does a kaleidoscope have? Paradise is only truly a paradise from our own frame of reference, here on Earth; from within Paradise, ironically, it's only a "pale imitation" and a mockery of itself. Here on Earth, we gaze up at the Moon each night in wonder, and see our dreams scattered amongst the stars, something unattainable but which we find true happiness and joy in striving to attain -- a life devoted to seeking Paradise becomes Paradise itself. In summary:  |
| Really enjoyed this series, finally managed to finish where I left off. The last 4 episodes made me tear up so much. Loved the ending. |
| No Hubb, Cher, Blue and Quent at the end. That's the only thing bothering me. |
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wishbook said: No Hubb, Cher, Blue and Quent at the end. That's the only thing bothering me. |
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Adramelech said: Was Toboe a girl in the end? Seriously! No joke, I thought Toboe was a girl too. |
| "It is the emptiness that make the stars bright." "If you've known pain and hardship, it is easier to be kind to others." |
| Well, the ending wasn't exactly how I imagined, but it was rather good. I liked all that reincarnation idea. Anyway, Wolf's Rain was an amazing watch. |
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| Agree with some of the above. Kiba did find Paradise, but without sadness or despair, the result would be the same as the Garden of Eternity in the Desert of Bones. So, Darcia's eye "corrupted" the world, adding balance to it. Afterwards, the world will eventually return to the point where the world is freezing over: the setting of Wolf's Rain. This would be the endless cycle that was talked about in another episode. People would find Paradise (possibly a new generation of wolves or humans) and everything would start again. However, if Kiba as the chosen one is the one who keeps finding Paradise, then maybe his unconscious memory of Paradise from previous journeys is what motivates him to find it. This thinking just boosted my rating of this OVA to a 9. |
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| So they've ended up in another shithole... Sigh... It's sad. No paradise after all, just an endless circle of death and rebirth. But it's for the best I think, paradise is a dull place to exist in. I loved this anime from the beginning till the end. Absolutely beautiful and sad. |
| Way too depressing, honestly it felt like I got trolled by the creator. I mean what exactly was the point of the whole journey if they are going to be in this perpetual cycle. I get the symbolism and all, but I still think it was a pretty shoddy ending. Poor Blue/Hige, hell I felt like the whole cast was needlessly killed off in the last 4 episodes. Oh well, over all it was a good series 9/10; would have given it a 10/10 but the pretentious ending kinda ruined it for me a little bit. |
FullmetalRaikouAug 14, 2013 11:24 AM
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| This is such a breathtaking anime. I'm so glad I watched this. It's really depressing but it's a bit hopeful as well. |
HumdrumAug 14, 2013 2:16 PM
Humdrum said: This is such a breathtaking anime. I'm so glad I watched this. It's really depressing but it's a bit hopeful as well. Basically how I felt about it all. I cried buckets of tears though in this last episode... There's so much depth in this discussion thread :) I like it. I love it when an anime is somewhat beyond my understanding that I keep seeking for more analysis or interpretation of what it's really about. I honestly didn't know that Wolf's Rain was an anime filled with symbolism/meanings, but it was a wonderful surprise. I'm surprised there's only about 18k people on MAL have watched it when it's such a great series. I love the themes in this, and how Paradise is Earth at its beginning, how it seems that Kiba will continuously search for Paradise, and maybe get closer to it each time. The ending scene was also well played, how the rain drops were the ones we see in the beginning of the OP. So I guess all this time we've kind of been seeing the future. Edit: Nvm I'm an idiot, only 18k people on MAL have watched the OVAs. There's a lot more people who've watched the series, which is good, I didn't know that it's pretty well-known, I guess people just don't talk about how good Wolf's Rain is ^^; |
tingyAug 15, 2013 5:32 PM
| It was a pretty good series. It definitely has it's fair share of problems (some horrible pacing at times, plot points never dealt with, certain details never explained, cliche characters and characters ignoring previous development) but on the whole an above average watch. Cried like a little bitch at every death in the final 4 eps (which were by far the best eps in the series imo) Also (this may be an incredibly obvious thing) but is the opening song video actually set in "paradise" aka the reborn world we saw a brief glimpse at the end of the final ep? The setting seems to be the same modern city (with the same rainy weather and intact cars) as that final montage. Would actually be really cool if we'd been seeing the final ending as the beginning theme song all along. |
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