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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- alot of answers from the past gets answered here. ...as usual the screen is as black as ever. ...so was that a dream or a flashback, or another personality? Cant wait for next ep! |
  "What happens when we die?" I know that the ones who love us will miss us. |
Wasted_Life said: Haha, true, true....as usual the screen is as black as ever. Exciting episode, a lil clone? |
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| Many questions are answered but it creates bigger questions at the same time. That's exiting! |
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| so that was not a dream he really killed his memories. |
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Ranivus said: THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- alot of answers from the past gets answered here. ...as usual the screen is as black as ever. ...so was that a dream or a flashback, or another personality? Cant wait for next ep! i think you mean questions. or do you mean that the answers given before were so obscure that the answers given here cleared it up? i think it was probably ergo that either didn't want vincent to know something important about himself or monad. I'm just gonna assume that that mini re-l is a clone. there is a possibility re-l(bitchy princess one) is also a clone. Raul Creed said: dub: he's starting to crack sub: he's starting to lose it heh agreed. he says it in a more funny way in the dub lol |
enkilJun 1, 2009 2:46 PM
anciah said: nooooo ! Re-l clones D; ! one is enough ! heh, lol. on another note, now that i remember. mini re-l looks exactly like the little girl re-l saw at the end of her dream in episode 10. |
| Daedalus has problems. Making a clone = creepy I thought Raul was killed at the end of episode 17, but obviously that's not the case! But he still launched the nuke at Mosque, right? That didn't seem to accomplish a whole lot. |
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| LOL Daedalus feels so lonely that he creates a Re-L clone. Poor Amnesia auto-rave. :'( |
| So Daedalus is a proper mental now, and Ergo Proxy really did destroy his memories but as for why, well I guess we'll find out (I hope) |
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| This was a phenomenal episode, ranking up there with 11 so far as my favorite. Did a great job with both giving us answers and creating questions and suspense. Also, the the Blade Runner-like route it's taking with Vincent's memories (combined with the actual reference) was excellent. |
| Oh my goddess, now Daedalus has come undone!! |
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| Poor amnesia autoreiv ): |
| I had a feeling that rocket was headed to Mosk. Look at Raul strong intentions to destroy Vincent only chance to regain his lost memories. |
| It wasn't Ergo that destroyed his memories and killed Amnesia, i think it was Proxy One from ep 15, his face nor hair looked like Ergo... |
kisarachan said: Daedalus is really obsessive lol. He did say several episodes earlier that the existence of Re-l is one of the two of his raison d'être, the other is the Proxy Monad he was studying. |
| You see there's no need to wonder where your god is, Coz he's right here! ...and he's fresh out of mercy. |
| Wow! And I thought Raul had met his end in the last episode. Unexpectedly he is reinstated. I wonder why. Is it because he shares the sorrows of the Regents plight? Raul is seeing doubles of Vincent. Has he gone mad? What happened to the "Rapture" weapon he had launched earlier? Did it hit some other city? And when did Ergo proxy kill his own memories? Recently while asleep or long ago before he left Mosque? Their search for answers leads them back to Romdeau. My search for answers leads to more questions. So far my speculation is that Daedalus is working on cloning Proxies, specifically Monad Proxy who is none other than Re'l. Who is the real "Re'l"? |
| Decent episode but I lost interest again... |
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| I thought Raul ended his story in the previous episode, and instead, got reinstated in this episode. And I liked how Kristeva becomes Raul's entourage again within that short span of time. lol What happened to the rocket that was launched earlier? Where did it hit? O.o I still don't know if Vincent's just dreaming or what. Poor auto-riev though. And a mini-Lil appears. Now, that's another mystery. |
| Great episode answered some questions Other questions arise Is it in the pas that he destroyed the Proxy or is there another Vincent who did it..Gonna find out :D |
-------Only God will judge me -------- iSignature |
| Is the proxy that killed amnesia autoreiv Vincent from the past ? Or is it another Proxy ? What is going with the new Re-l ? Which one is the clone ? Why there are two necklaces ? How should i refer to 'awakening' ? I need answers ! Now ! |
| Daedalus is a damn freak, keeping Re-l's copies... |
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| What the, more ambiguous dreams/memories/reality? o_O I'm pretty sure that was Ergo Proxy because the clothes and hair are the same. Also, we've already seen Ergo Proxy shed tears since that first episode and other times. So...did he awaken as Ergo Proxy and went to kill off Amnesia? Hm, but if that really happened, shouldn't there be a hole in the wall where Ergo Proxy punched? Instead, there was the word, "awakening." Creeepy. Speaking of creepy, Daedalus is pretty weird for making a clone of Re-l, unless there really are more than one clone o_o I don't even know. He's gone mental, and so had Raul. Raul's hallucinations of Vincent is pretty alarming. |
tingy said: I have a feeling that was Proxy One, seeing as there was another necklace. And also, I think the mask that Ergo always wears was missing from that scene... Not entirely positive though.I'm pretty sure that was Ergo Proxy because the clothes and hair are the same. Also, we've already seen Ergo Proxy shed tears since that first episode and other times. So...did he awaken as Ergo Proxy and went to kill off Amnesia? Ah, as usual, this series is creating more questions than it answers. But it still manages to be interesting. |
| Well, I'm hoping I'm not spoiling so here we go. I think that Proxy 1 was the one that killed amnesia because he does not answer amnesia when he enters the room. Plus from ep. 15 they explained the features of Proxy 1. They both seem to look alike. Now that I think about it..Proxy 1 reminds me of Dracula. |
| Great episode again. I never expected to like this series so much. |
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| That looked like the Proxy One guy we saw some episodes ago. Are he and Ergo Proxy what must not be divided? And is Re'L just another in a series of clones or is she the real deal? This is a great and intelligent series. |
| "Perhaps there is a universal, absolute truth. Perhaps it justifies every question. But that's beyond the reach of these small hands." Mamoru Oshii There is a cult of ignorance (...) nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.” Isaac Asimov |
| my guess is that was proxy one destroying the memories. What relation they all have to each other i know not. Perhaps if vince gets his memories back he will end the world, he is the proxy of death after all xD proxy of death going insane would probably never end well... Guess i'll just have to wait and see, i seriously hope we actually get straight answers and not some stupid mess of pure speculation, i.e. lain. because so far this is a great series and i dont want it to be spoiled. Seems like the next episode is gonna be another of the weird ass episodes... I love how when i look at proxy one under characters for the listing of the series, there is nothing there, but a spoiler tag LOL This is killing me!!! |
| Does anyone else need a doctor to confirm that someone without a head is dead? |
| one thing i have to give credit to the show for is that every question i have had has been answered but has left me guessing for a while in order for me to try and figure it out, loved this episode this series has really gone up in my estimations! |
| The leaders of Romdeau or however that is spelt are rather . . . Whimsical. They were just like, "You want something different, well whatever, try it." . . . Anyways it's funny how after that long journey all they learned was that the answer was where they started. |
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SithNoKami said: It wasn't Ergo that destroyed his memories and killed Amnesia, i think it was Proxy One from ep 15, his face nor hair looked like Ergo... I thought so too.. The question is, who is Proxy One? And I already stated before, there might be two Re-l's (or multiple, who knows lol). Damn, the next episode is another weird one. I wonder how much painful Vincent's memories are. A brilliant episode nonetheless. 5/5 |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| On to the next 1. |
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sspit said: Really interesting thoughts I can agree with them all, now just need to finish series and see how it ends. There are too many fake people in this series, but i think they all can save rondo from collapsing. |
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| Alright now I'm really confused lol. Was that Vincent that killed the autoreiv or was it another proxy? People say it's Proxy One but I think it was Vincent in his Ergo Proxy state without the mask. How do I know? Because that message "Awakening" was in one of the earlier episodes after Vincent broke in Re'L's house in his Ergo Proxy form. We'll find out soon enough anyway, whether I'm right or wrong that is. |
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| This episode was interesting , lets see where this goes . |
| What the heck.. came all the way here just to head back there. Now there's the little Re-l hahaha so cute. |
| Wait I am confused, people are saying there were questions answered in this episode... which questions were those exactly? They traveled all the way there, and now they have to go all the back already? 0_0 |
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| Seens re-l isnt vincents counterpart as a proxy but monad is.. Vincent killed his memories so ergo must be hiding something Re-L cloned (who would want that anyways) tho i suspect the re-L we keep seeing might be a clone as well who knows |
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| Come to think of it, where is God in this show? Not the physical location, but with the talk of God in this particular episode, as well as the repeated portrayals of religious imagery, I don't think a sense of religion has ever been talked about in this anime. I've seen it used to portray a sense of identity, but the show itself doesn't go into the idea of religion or beliefs. What presence does God have in this anime? Why is the name brought up so often? If the Proxies are supposed to be proxies of God, then are the Proxies literal proxies of various aspects of humanity, which are then supposed to constitute a singular whole - thereby representing God? Is this anime supposed to be a metaphor of the human psyche, comprised of a number of psychological structural components that are constantly battling each other to form a singular identity? Is this supposed to represent the destruction of the image of God - the death of God's image in the eyes of man, whom were formed by that same image? Or is it just a load of crock? I dunno. |
| Aww geez, Vincent. He was just legit depressed in this episode. Time for some good-old backtracking, I guess. I never thought I could be more weirded out by Daedalus than Raul. There's a first time for everything. If the warhead had hit Mosque just the day before, wouldn't the impact site still be at least somewhat warm? A hydrogen bomb releases an insane amount of energy, so it's just a little odd to me that there was no residual heat left. But maybe it's just counter-intuitive and, even in real life, it would be able to cool down to ambient temperature in just one day. |
LeeTailorMay 18, 2017 5:20 PM
| Nice eye gouging homage to Blade Runner. |
| This dude really making a clone of his waifu because the original one doesn't have feelings for him. Wtf Daedalus. |
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| That scene with Amnesia sure was intense. New loli Re-l clone... Raul is not only alive, but the administrator is letting him do as he wants (resist). |
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