Why is there a movement to go against "waifu"

Feb 15, 7:20 PM

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Retro8bit

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They probably just haven't hugged enough body pillows. They need more body pillows in their life!

Feb 15, 7:28 PM

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TVofWizdom

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Don't concern yourself with what people on twitter are complaining about. There's no end to the petty things that those creatures take issue with.

Feb 15, 7:34 PM

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Archean-Return

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If they're using the word "cringe" as an adjective, per your claim, then any grievance they hold over how others communicate holds little weight. People whose diction comprises nothing but snappy memespeak and artificially forced neologisms are in no position to police language.

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Feb 15, 8:35 PM

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JustMonaka

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There is a movement against everything if you're on twitter. This is nothing new.

Feb 15, 8:38 PM

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Prideful_Lion

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They're people who can't have fun and want to project their insecurities about attracting real women onto others. Besides, even if people are serious about waifus, I don't really see how it's affecting anyone. Sure, people can look at it as weird. But if it's not harming anybody or the person, then I don't really see the issue.

Feb 15, 9:37 PM

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OP, you might no be aware of this (And maybe neither do people in this thread).
But it's a specific group you're talking about called "hood weebs" (They called themselves that, not me).

Basically people who got into anime from 2020 forwards via TikTok, only watch Battle Shounen, talking in unintelligible zoomer ebonics (e.g. "Blud is a Diddy ass 💀💀💀💀") and that are openly hostile to otaku culture.

Edit: Might just use this opportunity to post a thread I wrote today and was thinking in posting in some subreddit asking for help... but I don't know any subreddit where I could do that.

I (25M) always felt, since my teenage years, that I was potentially a progressive. A number of circumstances back then, however, made me become libertarian with a lot of contact with right-wing populist and similar types. Over the years I felt that the movement was going into an increasingly reactionary, anti-intellectual, conspiratorial, irony-poisoned and even hateful direction, and I just couldn't go with it anymore, my breaking point being at the start of COVID. I then spent a couple years in an "ideological limbo" until I had a closer contact with progressivism in early 2023, and after researching more about it I've been actively been one ever since.

Since my early teenage years, I've always been massively into anime and otaku culture in general, building a lot of my "sense of self" around it, especially liking the elements of it that were "different from everything else", being an aficionado in researching the history of every trend and genre, and it being a way I was able to have very good experiences and friendships with a lot of people, and something I consider to have made me a better person. No matter the ideology I was at the time, it was always there for me, so I treat it in a sort of "sacred" way.

Becoming a progressive didn't initially create any problems regarding it: I was able to mingle both things almost effortlessly and I even felt that progressive arguments were very good in order to defend a lot of things around it. The issue lies in certain behaviors in the fanbase that are very antithetical to progressivism, yet that I have trouble disagreeing with.

The first being the way the community does "gatekeeping" in a way that greatly resembles from McCarthyism to anti-immigrant rhetoric: "There are these aliens which are not like us that want to enter our communities and destroy our culture. They bring nothing of value, they are animals, they must be exposed and weeded out".
While this kind of speech would raise me MASSIVE red flags in a political context, I'm having a lot of problems in seeing where it is wrong regarding the anime community because... I've seen it happen first hand to me: I've spent years with other anime fans speaking of things such as waifu culture, loli/shota, anime dealing with taboo subjects and etc and we were always normal about it. However, I notice an increasing trend of new "fans" from 2020 onwards which are openly hostile to anyone... acting like a normal anime fan from before 2020. I have troubles managing my anger, but that is frustrating, those are people refusing to learn our functional ways and traditions that sustained a functional community for DECADES, kicking us out from communities that WE'VE BUILT, trying to censor what we loved and supported for years, trying to shame us like they are right.
Older fans started calling those "tourists", in the sense that they never want to go deeper or putting effort into learning about other culture, only demanding changes in it for their stay, though their "stay" will only be temporary until they jump to another trend, they don't intend on "living" in the community. Hence... tourists.

The second thing, much more recent but still related, is the concept of "hood weebs".
If the rhetoric of "tourism" was similar to xenophobia, the rhetoric of "hood weebs" is similar to racism.
The origin of the term came from anime fans of African-american "hood" origin to refer to themselves and wasn't initially an offensive term.
It became an offensive term when the community started to notice that a lot of those that acted in the most extreme ways of "tourist" behavior (The most openly hostile and pro-shaming) tended to have certain traits in common, such as the use of AAVE and other African-american memes and signifiers, coupled with only watching battle-shounen (For those into reading, it's comparable to saying you only read romantasy. For those into films, it's like saying you only watch MARVEL movies) and being openly hostile to the rest of the medium of it's community, frequently engaging in violent/death threats and falsely accusing people of crimes such as CSA, among others.
Hence, the community started using the term "hood weeb" like one would use the N-word with a hard-R.

It was when I noticed that, by showing me this, the Twitter algorithm was essentially trying to make a Pavlovian conditioning to try to turn me racist that I started to get VERY worried. I'm not racist, and I definitely don't want to become racist either. The issue is that I'm now at a huge problem: All those behaviors go against the principles of the ideology I hold. Yet, having felt firsthand what they're fighting against, the emotional side of my can't say that their actions are wrong... but at the same time, I feel that by doing this I'm becoming a worse person and betraying my own principles, and I don't know how to deal with this contradiction.

What should I do?

thewiruFeb 15, 9:42 PM

Feb 15, 9:40 PM

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LostSpectre

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Well, we're pretty fucking cringe, and not everyone wants to be associated with that. So, there's your answer. lmao

If you reply back to me and I never respond, I lost interest and don't care. Sorry about that.

Feb 15, 9:47 PM

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I'm sorry to break this to you, but "waifu" is cringe. We are just so exposed to it as weebs that it is normal to us.

So, embrace the cringe and live yo best life, uwu.

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Feb 15, 10:52 PM

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Piromysl

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Lemme share you the video that kinda explains it.

TLDR Waifus are ecapism and Those People don't like you liking waifus instead of simping for OnlyFans hoes.

Feb 15, 11:11 PM

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I don't have a problem with waifus and I don't think most people have
But it is somewhat disgusts me when it's used as a term instead of female characters... The word by itself and it's intended meaning are just another way people enjoy anime and while I don't care for it only dumb people will fight it. But using it as a catch all term just feel degrading to characters, like they can only exist and people can only like them as part of waifu culture

Feb 16, 12:07 AM

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RainyEvenings

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So, there's a vocal crowd on Twitter, huh? The ones who say "waifu" is cringe? Oh, bless their hearts. 😂 It's like they just stumbled into the anime world and decided to redecorate without knowing where the furniture goes.

"Waifu" is practically a cornerstone of the anime community—a term of endearment, devotion, and all-around fandom fun. Trying to toss it out is like walking into a sushi bar and demanding a burger. 🍣🍔 I mean, seriously?

Let’s not let a few vocal "tourists" dictate the culture that's been lovingly built over years. I find it "cringe,"

Feb 16, 1:01 AM

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Szczelajo

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It's Twitter, do I need to say more?

Still both terms of Waifu and Husbando are thought as "cringe" in many part's of the net, I couldn't care less tbh, I use them, cuz I'm used to them

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Feb 16, 1:04 AM

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FZREMAKE

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Just a bunch of people being stupid. Nothing of concern.

If you enjoyed the time you wasted, then its not a waste of time.

Feb 16, 1:09 AM

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Spunkert

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They probably got rejected by a anime girl.

But instead of trying to improve themselves, they instead goes on a crusade against anime women.

SpunkertFeb 16, 3:55 AM

Feb 16, 1:32 AM

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Theo1899

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Do you have any examples of the arguments used? The only places where I discuss anime are MAL, 4chan and irl and I haven't noticed that "movement".

Piromysl said:
TLDR Waifus are ecapism and Those People don't like you liking waifus instead of simping for OnlyFans hoes.

Manic pixie dream girls usually aren't virtual prostitutes hence preferable to OF hoes and I say this as someone who takes issue with people simping for anime chicks instead of finding a girlfriend.

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Feb 16, 2:07 AM

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Zarutaku

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Seems like cringe virtue signalling.

Feb 16, 2:47 AM

#18

therealnagora

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People on Shitter share shit opinions. That's sorta the whole idea.

Feb 16, 5:06 AM

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Well the whole waifu thing is kinda cringe. Like Otaku used to be what anime fans called themselves but that got wiped out of existence because cringelords overtook the term, so it got replaced by the ironic term weeb. Waifu seems to have survived but it comes from the same culture as otaku, and people back then were not ironic when using it.

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Feb 16, 6:06 AM

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Reply to thewiru

OP, you might no be aware of this (And maybe neither do people in this thread).
But it's a specific group you're talking about called "hood weebs" (They called themselves that, not me).

Basically people who got into anime from 2020 forwards via TikTok, only watch Battle Shounen, talking in unintelligible zoomer ebonics (e.g. "Blud is a Diddy ass 💀💀💀💀") and that are openly hostile to otaku culture.

Edit: Might just use this opportunity to post a thread I wrote today and was thinking in posting in some subreddit asking for help... but I don't know any subreddit where I could do that.

I (25M) always felt, since my teenage years, that I was potentially a progressive. A number of circumstances back then, however, made me become libertarian with a lot of contact with right-wing populist and similar types. Over the years I felt that the movement was going into an increasingly reactionary, anti-intellectual, conspiratorial, irony-poisoned and even hateful direction, and I just couldn't go with it anymore, my breaking point being at the start of COVID. I then spent a couple years in an "ideological limbo" until I had a closer contact with progressivism in early 2023, and after researching more about it I've been actively been one ever since.

Since my early teenage years, I've always been massively into anime and otaku culture in general, building a lot of my "sense of self" around it, especially liking the elements of it that were "different from everything else", being an aficionado in researching the history of every trend and genre, and it being a way I was able to have very good experiences and friendships with a lot of people, and something I consider to have made me a better person. No matter the ideology I was at the time, it was always there for me, so I treat it in a sort of "sacred" way.

Becoming a progressive didn't initially create any problems regarding it: I was able to mingle both things almost effortlessly and I even felt that progressive arguments were very good in order to defend a lot of things around it. The issue lies in certain behaviors in the fanbase that are very antithetical to progressivism, yet that I have trouble disagreeing with.

The first being the way the community does "gatekeeping" in a way that greatly resembles from McCarthyism to anti-immigrant rhetoric: "There are these aliens which are not like us that want to enter our communities and destroy our culture. They bring nothing of value, they are animals, they must be exposed and weeded out".
While this kind of speech would raise me MASSIVE red flags in a political context, I'm having a lot of problems in seeing where it is wrong regarding the anime community because... I've seen it happen first hand to me: I've spent years with other anime fans speaking of things such as waifu culture, loli/shota, anime dealing with taboo subjects and etc and we were always normal about it. However, I notice an increasing trend of new "fans" from 2020 onwards which are openly hostile to anyone... acting like a normal anime fan from before 2020. I have troubles managing my anger, but that is frustrating, those are people refusing to learn our functional ways and traditions that sustained a functional community for DECADES, kicking us out from communities that WE'VE BUILT, trying to censor what we loved and supported for years, trying to shame us like they are right.
Older fans started calling those "tourists", in the sense that they never want to go deeper or putting effort into learning about other culture, only demanding changes in it for their stay, though their "stay" will only be temporary until they jump to another trend, they don't intend on "living" in the community. Hence... tourists.

The second thing, much more recent but still related, is the concept of "hood weebs".
If the rhetoric of "tourism" was similar to xenophobia, the rhetoric of "hood weebs" is similar to racism.
The origin of the term came from anime fans of African-american "hood" origin to refer to themselves and wasn't initially an offensive term.
It became an offensive term when the community started to notice that a lot of those that acted in the most extreme ways of "tourist" behavior (The most openly hostile and pro-shaming) tended to have certain traits in common, such as the use of AAVE and other African-american memes and signifiers, coupled with only watching battle-shounen (For those into reading, it's comparable to saying you only read romantasy. For those into films, it's like saying you only watch MARVEL movies) and being openly hostile to the rest of the medium of it's community, frequently engaging in violent/death threats and falsely accusing people of crimes such as CSA, among others.
Hence, the community started using the term "hood weeb" like one would use the N-word with a hard-R.

It was when I noticed that, by showing me this, the Twitter algorithm was essentially trying to make a Pavlovian conditioning to try to turn me racist that I started to get VERY worried. I'm not racist, and I definitely don't want to become racist either. The issue is that I'm now at a huge problem: All those behaviors go against the principles of the ideology I hold. Yet, having felt firsthand what they're fighting against, the emotional side of my can't say that their actions are wrong... but at the same time, I feel that by doing this I'm becoming a worse person and betraying my own principles, and I don't know how to deal with this contradiction.

What should I do?

@thewiru Lmao i was gonna say that but didn't last minute. but yea they are super annoying to deal with. They ruined a lot of Shonen fanbases so much it's insane

Feb 16, 7:36 AM

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I saw it.

They are tourists. Must gatekeep harder from the community.

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Feb 16, 7:48 AM

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There's a lot of people out there who will grasp at any opportunity to shame you for being a heterosexual male who likes pretty girls. It's usually the same types who are very outspoken about matters of sexuality. (But only if you are gay).

Feb 16, 7:52 AM

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im a firm believer of "if what you like/do doesn't negatively effect others...then by all means bro...do you" who cares if someone says something you like/do is cringe or weird...lets be honest here...most people do weird shit...its human nature to be weird and quirky...weird is normal...its the "normal people" that are ACTUALLY the weird ones lol

Feb 16, 7:53 AM

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I’m so glad I pay no attention to twitter. Far too much petty BS people complain or whine about.

Feb 16, 8:52 AM

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It is not synonymous with the anime community. It is synonymous with the gutter of the anime community.
Also, those who unironically use such words as "waifu" or "weeb" are all lowly tourists themselves.

Nemo_NiemandFeb 16, 8:55 AM

Feb 16, 9:14 AM

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Serafos

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Nowadays there are movements against pretty much everything. Sigh.

Feb 16, 9:22 AM

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Tourists just love to complain about anything they find "weird". I try ignoring them, but their disdain for anime culture is so prevalent now that it's nearly impossible to fully escape it.

Feb 16, 11:27 AM

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Reply to Theo1899

Do you have any examples of the arguments used? The only places where I discuss anime are MAL, 4chan and irl and I haven't noticed that "movement".

Piromysl said:
TLDR Waifus are ecapism and Those People don't like you liking waifus instead of simping for OnlyFans hoes.

Manic pixie dream girls usually aren't virtual prostitutes hence preferable to OF hoes and I say this as someone who takes issue with people simping for anime chicks instead of finding a girlfriend.

@Theo1899
https://x.com/kasporio/status/1889832684597420248/quotes
It was stuff like that that made me root for Trump in 2016.
And TBH, I'm surprised with myself that it didn't do it again last year, I guess my hate for reactionaryism is just bigger.

Feb 16, 11:36 AM

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There is a anti movement against mostly everything. It is surprisingly common for people to be against series of demographics they are not a part of. I avoid shoujo but I do not call for it to stop existing.

It is good to be wary of those trying to control the media and propaganda therein.

Feb 16, 12:30 PM

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Reply to Nemo_Niemand

It is not synonymous with the anime community. It is synonymous with the gutter of the anime community.
Also, those who unironically use such words as "waifu" or "weeb" are all lowly tourists themselves.

@Nemo_Niemand Bait used to be good

good try tho lol

Feb 16, 1:05 PM

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Reply to Nemo_Niemand

It is not synonymous with the anime community. It is synonymous with the gutter of the anime community.
Also, those who unironically use such words as "waifu" or "weeb" are all lowly tourists themselves.

Proud Guttertrash Tourist since 1996 (Since 1988/1989, under Very Loose Technicality)

Feb 16, 1:09 PM

#32

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Well it is a bit overused and isn't the term Japanese use for that per se.

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Feb 16, 2:03 PM

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One of the many keys to a happy life is to ignore the opinions of losers on Twitter.

Take care of yourself

Feb 16, 2:12 PM

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Because theyre cringe and most of the time aren't real anime fans , just the one watching for the hype

Love my aunt

Feb 18, 1:37 AM

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Fukoku

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It's bc of the negative connotations such as the "10000 year old waifu", and the stereotypical Otaku with the Mikasa body pillows.

If I had to choose between One Piece and a girlfriend...I think I'll go with One Piece

Feb 18, 2:46 AM

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ryzxgum

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damn guess they're right for once because it's corny as hell and you wouldn't catch me dead using that word.

Feb 18, 3:31 AM

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SanathKr14

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It's mostly just a bunch 15 years old who pretend to be cool by acting dismissive of other people's likes on twitter. It happens a lot but this time it just happened to get a lot of traction online. Take this as a sign and start gatekeeping ur favs to make sure they don't pollute more fandoms. I always hated the concept of gatekeeping but I understand it now.

SanathKr14Feb 18, 3:35 AM

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