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monopoly is bad but im sure the concern of anime fans is censorship again
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Sony should learn form Disney's mistakes.
Buying profitable IP owners like Marvel and Lucas Film, doesn't mean those are easy to milk...in fact when mismanaged this can be the road to bankruptcy.
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Will that lead to more game adaptations?
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Wait, does this apply to Kadokawa Group as a whole or just the anime/gaming section? Kadokawa owns BookWalker, does this mean Sony will own BookWalker as well? Are all my LN purchases screwed!? I mean CR buys Funimation and suddenly ppl are losing access to their purchases... Who says the same cannot happen with Sony...

What abt their publishing itself (manga & LN)? Will it be owned by F*ing Sony as well?

I'm sorry, but I don't really care for the anime & gaming sections, I'm much more concerned abt the manga & LN side instead....
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Wait, does this apply to Kadokawa Group as a whole or just the anime/gaming section? Kadokawa owns BookWalker, does this mean Sony will own BookWalker as well? Are all my LN purchases screwed!? I mean CR buys Funimation and suddenly ppl are losing access to their purchases... Who says the same cannot happen with Sony...

What abt their publishing itself (manga & LN)? Will it be owned by F*ing Sony as well?

I'm sorry, but I don't really care for the anime & gaming sections, I'm much more concerned abt the manga & LN side instead....
@uncleqrow This purchase applies to everything Kadokawa owns, meaning all anime and software and subsidiaries (every publishing branch included).
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@uncleqrow This purchase applies to everything Kadokawa owns, meaning all anime and software and subsidiaries (every publishing branch included).
@tchitchouan Damn, this is a really bad news then....
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This is the beginning of the death of the anime industry, prepare for more censorship and more western crap in your anime.... RIP, it was fun while it lasted
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After what happened with Concord...

I think y'all should be really concerned...
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Oh no, I like Sony phones, but they will ruin anime is they get too much influence in the industry.
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Gushing over magical girls season 2 is probably dead now it this goes through and there's no reason to believe it won't. Everything that can go wrong this year has and continues to worsen. Doujin scene is definitely fucked.
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For once I'm actually concerned. Will be a shitshow. Kadokawa also owns Fromsoft.
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The end of anime is near, the disneyfication is inevitable.

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It's no problem as long as Niconico doesn't get affected.
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Will they make an anime adaptation of the $400mil dollar franchise Concord?
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This is the beginning of the death of the anime industry, prepare for more censorship and more western crap in your anime.... RIP, it was fun while it lasted
@Katou81 can't take all the shows we had so far. It'll be like in the vidya industry, people will only buy good stuff that slips through the cracks or is thematically appropriate while all the forced titles will flop.
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If this goes through this is horrible news….
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This doesn't look promising at all. I'm actually very concerned if this is true.
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I was worried that my opinion might be too controversial, but it seems that literally everyone-else on this thread agrees with me. Mind you, I doubt this will have much, if any, affect on censorship, but I still don't think a corrupt company like Sony should have this much of a monopoly on the industry. I'd rather it just stuck with Kadokawa. Either way, I wouldn't be too worried TBH. Considering just how lucrative I imagine Kadokawa's output is, I lowkey doubt that Sony even have enough money for Kadokawa to accept the buyout TBH, but I guess we'll just have to wait and see...
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Maybe capitalism indeed went too far.
First hollywood and now anime yeah we are fkd.
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This was a Company once capable of works of High Tech High-Art, mind you...







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Hmm, not a very good thing for sure. :(


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I don't like Kadokawa and its practices but the sonyfication of kadokawa will turn the sour cheese rancid and we all know how great monopolies go for any industry.


deg said:
monopoly is bad but im sure the concern of anime fans is censorship again


and why is it a wrong concern? Censorship doesn't just apply to ecchi and woke content but also to creative freedom in general, Disney doesn't just restrict "anti-woke" content but also content that it deems too radical or inappropriate in its animated movies. Also, the bigger the corporation, the lesser the risks it's willing to take with its products so you will see fewer new ideas and more generic run-of-the-mill shows
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Giant blobs keep merging together, it's vaguely sickening... Must watch more Kadokawa anime to wash it down. /s

There must be armies of lawyers poring over this as we speak, but I wonder what the Japanese government has to say about this acquisition. The fact that Kadokawa already exists and seems to just be everywhere doesn't give me hope...
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I don"t realy understand all the fear is both company are public listed company , that mean there japanese only in name , the real owner are investment company who put money in both company . when sony buy kodakawa , the owner still the same , the investment company , . cencership will always be there as long it is pulic company both went public company to begin with .
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Its absolutely insane how little governments do to step in when these giant monopolies are just clearly forming and it is always just bad for the consumer in the end. I am really against all this consolidation on principle and Sony is gaining WAYYY too much power considering they created ANIPLEX and have also owned Crunchyroll since 2021 and FUNimation since 2017. Anti-trust is pretty much dead in current day and all competition is drying up in so many industries yet nothing is ever done about it. This is just another victim of the late stage capitalist hell in the Japanese animation industry and its depressing to see
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Unless they also own Sentai Filmworks' parent company, AMC Networks (which they don't seem to) they wouldn't quite hold a monopoly in anime streaming and licensing just yet.

But owning Kadokawa would mean owning all of the series that Sentai licenses that are worth anything at all (like No Game No Life), so they could presumably give the licensing for those works to Crunchyroll, which they do own.

So they're definitely getting closer to becoming a monopoly. Not a huge fan of that, but if we end up getting No Game No Life season 2 out of it then I can't complain too much.
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SIE is a subsidiary of Sony, not sure what you're getting at.
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A subsidiary is owned and controlled by its parent company, so it's not independent.
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I don't like Kadokawa and its practices but the sonyfication of kadokawa will turn the sour cheese rancid and we all know how great monopolies go for any industry.


deg said:
monopoly is bad but im sure the concern of anime fans is censorship again


and why is it a wrong concern? Censorship doesn't just apply to ecchi and woke content but also to creative freedom in general, Disney doesn't just restrict "anti-woke" content but also content that it deems too radical or inappropriate in its animated movies. Also, the bigger the corporation, the lesser the risks it's willing to take with its products so you will see fewer new ideas and more generic run-of-the-mill shows
@AshuAmbrose not saying its a wrong concern just saying a pattern i observe and because for me monopolies main concern is higher prices
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Oh boy, here's to another studio not being able to have freedom of what shows they get to be in charge of. And people do have a right to be concerned about censorship since it's modern Sony we're talking about here. Look at a number of shows Kadokawa has a big part in and it's rather worrying what Sony would do with the acquisition.
@animegamer245 Don't forget the double standard Sony has to new Japanese games, many Western games get to have full nudity or sex scene, but Japanese games get hit with censored CG scenes or modified costumes. (some VN's on PS4/5 have light censors on swimsuit scenes, not joking)
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Katou81 said:
This is the beginning of the death of the anime industry, prepare for more censorship and more western crap in your anime.... RIP, it was fun while it lasted
"Censorship and Western crap" and it's literally the company that made ecchi anime like Eromanga Sensei and My Dress-Up Darling.
Also you literally have anime produced by Sony on your favs, as well as a Sony owned studio in your fav companies...

sonictoryuiai said:
Gushing over magical girls season 2 is probably dead now it this goes through and there's no reason to believe it won't.
Why would it be dead? Why there's no reason to believe it won't?

Considering the shows they helped produce in the past, I fail to see why they would kill an entire anime project...

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And people do have a right to be concerned about censorship since it's modern Sony we're talking about here.
What censorship?
I didn't see any censorship on MDUD.
Also Kadokawa is not a studio, they are a producer, so if any company is not giving studios the freedom of what shows they are in charge in, it's Kadokawa who is pushing their anime studios with their 40 anime a year plan.
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Katou81 said:
This is the beginning of the death of the anime industry, prepare for more censorship and more western crap in your anime.... RIP, it was fun while it lasted
"Censorship and Western crap" and it's literally the company that made ecchi anime like Eromanga Sensei and My Dress-Up Darling.
Also you literally have anime produced by Sony on your favs, as well as a Sony owned studio in your fav companies...

sonictoryuiai said:
Gushing over magical girls season 2 is probably dead now it this goes through and there's no reason to believe it won't.
Why would it be dead? Why there's no reason to believe it won't?

Considering the shows they helped produce in the past, I fail to see why they would kill an entire anime project...

Tropisch said:
And people do have a right to be concerned about censorship since it's modern Sony we're talking about here.
What censorship?
I didn't see any censorship on MDUD.
Also Kadokawa is not a studio, they are a producer, so if any company is not giving studios the freedom of what shows they are in charge in, it's Kadokawa who is pushing their anime studios with their 40 anime a year plan.
the problem is that people see a couple of obscure anime-style games (usually hentai visual novels) getting censored on Playstation, and they assume it means that Sony is a bunch of puritans who are scared of sexual content and are gonna censor all of the anime.

There are reasons to be concerned about Sony trying to monopolize anime streaming/distribution/licensing, but censorship really isn't as high among them as users of this forum, and anime fans in general, make it out to be.
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Fuck you, Sony! Stay away from my only method of existing you pozzed piece of shit!!
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Unless they also own Sentai Filmworks' parent company, AMC Networks (which they don't seem to) they wouldn't quite hold a monopoly in anime streaming and licensing just yet.

But owning Kadokawa would mean owning all of the series that Sentai licenses that are worth anything at all (like No Game No Life), so they could presumably give the licensing for those works to Crunchyroll, which they do own.

So they're definitely getting closer to becoming a monopoly. Not a huge fan of that, but if we end up getting No Game No Life season 2 out of it then I can't complain too much.
@ShatteredSans I would say that with Sony you can definitely forget about a second season of NGNL... imagine if the minds behind Concord would start dealing with a story of incest between brothers with all that mild nudity lmao
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I remember the times when Mars of Destruction was considered the worst anime in existense.
Today's anime already has 50% of titles at Mars of Destruction level.
Do you say that now 90% of anime will be Mars of Destruction?
Not a big deal. Older shows will get more attention then.
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@ShatteredSans I would say that with Sony you can definitely forget about a second season of NGNL... imagine if the minds behind Concord would start dealing with a story of incest between brothers with all that mild nudity lmao
@Dije "the minds behind Concord" won't have anything to do with operating Kadokawa.

Sony is not some small group where the same 4 or 5 people are involved in literally everything they do, it's a massive corporation that deals in multiple different industries.
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I really can't say anything less to this godwaful news


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Every big company wants to hold a monopoly over their respective industries. As always, the consumer is the one who gets fucked over. Start saving the anime, manga, games, and LNs you like. Make sure you have backups of all of it.
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Frankly, I don't really approve of this due to the obvious threat of monopoly and a number of recent misguided marketing decisions by Sony that call into question their current ability to manage popular properties well.
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Oh boy, here's to another studio not being able to have freedom of what shows they get to be in charge of. And people do have a right to be concerned about censorship since it's modern Sony we're talking about here. Look at a number of shows Kadokawa has a big part in and it's rather worrying what Sony would do with the acquisition.
@animegamer245 Don't forget the double standard Sony has to new Japanese games, many Western games get to have full nudity or sex scene, but Japanese games get hit with censored CG scenes or modified costumes. (some VN's on PS4/5 have light censors on swimsuit scenes, not joking)
@Tropisch

You realize they've made Western games get edited too right? Doki Doki Literature Club Plus had to
on PlayStation due to their policies. I think its generally just an art style thing as they seem to be more ok with sexual content and extreme violence when the art style is realistic rather than cartoony as 99% of the games that are edited on PlayStation have a more animated art style with the exception of like Devil May Cry V Special Edition. They also don't seem to be doing it as much as these days so you should worry less about censorship and more about the anti-consumer nature of all these mergers and how it hinders competition and innovation in these industries
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If you need to know what this portents, take a good long look at what's happened with Funimation and Crunchyroll. Sony's sunk Funimation completely, and they're slowly but surely destroying CR, as well. It ain't gonna be pretty. Give up all hope, ye who enter here.
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Maybe capitalism indeed went too far.
First hollywood and now anime yeah we are fkd.
@WaterMage

Holllywood, Star Wars, Marvel, western comics, YouTube, the Gaming industry, and even the internet itself all eventually got fucked by becoming too mainstream

and with Japan's rapidly declining birthrate and unsustainable cultural practices, their industries are only gonna get more and more desperate meaning more and more dumb business decisions made by old men who don't know whats going on anymore or how to fix anything

so yea, people who aren't scared for manga/anime just don't give a shit
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@Tropisch

You realize they've made Western games get edited too right? Doki Doki Literature Club Plus had to
on PlayStation due to their policies. I think its generally just an art style thing as they seem to be more ok with sexual content and extreme violence when the art style is realistic rather than cartoony as 99% of the games that are edited on PlayStation have a more animated art style with the exception of like Devil May Cry V Special Edition. They also don't seem to be doing it as much as these days so you should worry less about censorship and more about the anti-consumer nature of all these mergers and how it hinders competition and innovation in these industries
@LSSJ_Gaming it's also probably worth noting that Sony has owned Crunchyroll for the past couple of years, and anime on Crunchyroll is no more censored now than it was before Sony acquired the company.

They're not nearly as obsessed with censorship as everyone seems to think they are. The problem is less about censorship, and more that Sony is getting closer to monopolizing the anime industry, and no single company should hold that much power over any industry.
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I'm not really convinced of the concerns of so many anime fans who consume thousands of titles of endless isekai repeats and generic harem and fantasy fluff and see nothing but brilliance before their eyes; are now whining about this. If anything it will only solidify the consolidation within the industry and guarantee more sameness in the output; which is exactly what everyone actually wants, but can't say so.

So basically this is a big win for the mindless consumer, bad news for anyone who wants to publish anything unique ever again.
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@WaterMage

Holllywood, Star Wars, Marvel, western comics, YouTube, the Gaming industry, and even the internet itself all eventually got fucked by becoming too mainstream

and with Japan's rapidly declining birthrate and unsustainable cultural practices, their industries are only gonna get more and more desperate meaning more and more dumb business decisions made by old men who don't know whats going on anymore or how to fix anything

so yea, people who aren't scared for manga/anime just don't give a shit
EcchiGodMamster said:
Holllywood, Star Wars, Marvel, western comics, YouTube, the Gaming industry, and even the internet itself all eventually got fucked by becoming too mainstream

Most of those were mainstream from their very inception.
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@Tropisch

You realize they've made Western games get edited too right? Doki Doki Literature Club Plus had to
on PlayStation due to their policies. I think its generally just an art style thing as they seem to be more ok with sexual content and extreme violence when the art style is realistic rather than cartoony as 99% of the games that are edited on PlayStation have a more animated art style with the exception of like Devil May Cry V Special Edition. They also don't seem to be doing it as much as these days so you should worry less about censorship and more about the anti-consumer nature of all these mergers and how it hinders competition and innovation in these industries
LSSJ_Gaming said:
they seem to be more ok with sexual content and extreme violence when the art style is realistic

Ironic, isn't it? It's hard to believe these people have any principles when they turn a blind eye to the most extreme content they claim to hate.
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....and soon the evil mega corporation will own you too.
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If you need to know what this portents, take a good long look at what's happened with Funimation and Crunchyroll. Sony's sunk Funimation completely, and they're slowly but surely destroying CR, as well. It ain't gonna be pretty. Give up all hope, ye who enter here.
@joemaamah Who do you think ACTUALLY pulled the plug on the comments & reviews on Crunchyroll? It wasn't the Mods, they could just delete bothersome comments, posts & whatever. Someone in Sony made that decision. Now Crunchy is just a sterile streaming service with the fun sucked out of it.
Sony just cares about advertising over there, were most of us with elite accounts don't even see the blasted adds anymore. Believe me, Sony can screw this up. This has been happening in the US for years. It's why small business almost always fails. Everything is devoured by megacorps. Ever since Reagen removed restrictions on business practices, no start up has really stood a chance unless you let yourself be bought out. And the effects are seldom positive in the long run.
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