| I would rather praise a bad drawing made by actual human hands than by one made completely by a computer. AI is a cancer to art itself and I can´t believe how many people are welcoming it. Its easy for them to say that since they are probably not artists and can´t even draw them selves. |
| How I love a game |
| A beautiful drawing by AI is soulless. A drawing by a 6 years old kid is a true full of soul art. AI, Artificial Idiocy at its finest. Should have stuck to calculus only. |
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Fuck, I do love me some desecration tho. |
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| As someone who can't draw, that's kind of the point. |
| Dw the same stuff people said when machine were a thing during industrial revolution, how many people now have hand-made clothes? Same stuff people said about internet, electricity and other technologies, and how many people now do not use them? In a span of a few-several years people will use AI apps/technologies like a basic tool and that's how it is. There will be always those who complain about it and those who will praise it. [As a person who draws sometimes, AI is the best way to get inspiration for silly ideas... and many artists already said that too] |
| So...what problem do you have with the art itself? If all you care about is how it was made, it's safe to say you never cared about the art. |
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| I personally dont like AI art that much, mainly because it is just all the same. If you follow different artist you will realize all of them have their own "Ways" to draw a character, you can say specially with new ones that will post "My take on X character", there is always something that separate it from the "official" stuff, and those are usually mistakes that end up being a personal mark on the art. For the AI, it just a match of different art of a database, if will mix and match and give you what you want. AI art is like those DJ mixers that are on clubs and places like that, the go and put different parts of other music and create something (we cant deny that), it is something (and many times good) but not the same thing as actual people composing a song |
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| Yeah it's pretty frustrating. So many people just want to enjoy a product without caring at all about the artists who made it. And I don't get people who use ai who feel like they're actually creating something, they're just typing in inputs and getting a pretty much randomized result that's made by frankensteining other artist's work together. Something turning out okay looking just comes down to luck. If anyone feels a sense of accomplishment from that then they are smooth brained. |
| In my opinion yes, because any form of art has a meaning only if a humans put efforts and love into it in order to express something. If there's no human behind that art, then to me that art, whatever form of art it is (music, drawings, films, videogames, etc.), is pointless. |
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| @Cladocera That is because the artists themselves didnt enjoy digital because the experience is different in creation from loss of some of the tactile experiences though drawing tablets have improved but many still prefer paper and often start on paper then scan it for finishing. Some of the human touch is lost in digital but only if the artist chooses to use automatic corrections to line smoothness and how much automated filters they use etc and traditional artists also used guides to help them. AI doing all the creation process beyond vague conception (which AI also can do) is a huge leap so you cant compare them. |
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I've come around since it's gotten waaay better in such a short time! There is still a soullessness to it, for sure. But it's become very pretty especially since they are starting to reduce the excessive shine which was sooo bad in the start!  How can you not have joy from seeing these?! 🥰️ They just need to fix AI art's general fingers and writing, and that will be a massive improvement. I also like how they kind of have their own little vibe and world now, a lot of the good AI anime and game art feels like a computer copying or inspired by someone like Sakimi-Chan and similar artists whose style I like the best overall. Copying I said, not saying the AI art is as good as the professionals. |
| I would be very wary about mixing the word sin with art, for art is first and foremost pagan, even the one of religious inspiration in general (you can paint God half-naked if you are Michelangelo, but it does not seem to be a good idea in general). However, you are correct in the sense that AI is even more irrelevant than digital art. Feeding a bunch of instructions to a program has little to do with trying to craft a sentence by yourself or getting an understand of colours and various material one can use in paintings. People who say that AI "art" is superior to human art probably only know art through the lens of digital art, which in itself is already something made for the lazy ones. AI is made for those who do not even give it a try. Escher was also pointing out at the end of his life how difficult it is to make something of your ideas, but in the TikTok generation, it does not come as a surprise that no one wants to make any efforts any more... It is another challenge to confront yourself with matter and its limitations... This is probably why most popular (and overrated) artists keep doing silly ready-made sold for millions to hide their inability to understand the history of their own art and be judged by objective criteria that have stand the test of time. This kind of assistance is however reminiscent of what modern-day sculptors use with advanced machines that cut through marble with water. I is amusing to notice that using those advanced techniques, they have not overcome a single great sculptor of the past. What people also miss about AI art is the absence of enjoyment there is to create—or in this case, the illusion that you have created something new, although it was merely generated. AI painfully copies digital art which in itself is a minor art that does not even belong to painting; I fail to see what is so admirable about that. How boring. @Zettaiken What is your point exactly? Hand-made clothes are still superior to the crap that you find in supermarkets. The technologies that you refer to have little to do with the way art is actually made. The major difference is that AI is not a new tool, it also replaces the craftsman (or pretends to). If you need AI for "ideas," maybe art is not made for you... @Shishio-kun To be fair, I do not find standard digital art less "soulless" than the examples that you have shown above. This "art" form is by default emotionless. |
MeusnierDec 25, 2023 2:07 PM
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I've come around since it's gotten waaay better in such a short time! There is still a soullessness to it, for sure. But it's become very pretty especially since they are starting to reduce the excessive shine which was sooo bad in the start!
How can you not have joy from seeing these?! 🥰️
They just need to fix AI art's general fingers and writing, and that will be a massive improvement.
I also like how they kind of have their own little vibe and world now, a lot of the good AI anime and game art feels like a computer copying or inspired by someone like Sakimi-Chan and similar artists whose style I like the best overall. Copying I said, not saying the AI art is as good as the professionals.
How can you not have joy from seeing these?! 🥰️
They just need to fix AI art's general fingers and writing, and that will be a massive improvement.
I also like how they kind of have their own little vibe and world now, a lot of the good AI anime and game art feels like a computer copying or inspired by someone like Sakimi-Chan and similar artists whose style I like the best overall. Copying I said, not saying the AI art is as good as the professionals.
| @Shishio-kun That art is pretty stellar. I feel like it has a big future in hentai and animation in the future as it continues to evolve. Ai seems to be better at beauty than most western media in general. |
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| @Cladocera Art has a pretty clear meaning of conscious intention and effort even though it's fairly an abstract concept. The more removed the person is from the process of the end result the less the person is responsible for the end result. Someone in your example isn't a sculpture, they are a 3D model designer and CNC operator. You can't convey qualia from one person to a machine, let alone even one person to another person. |
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| https://www.deviantart.com/iamasupersaiyan4 Over 6,000 ai images for this fetish account. Mad, horny, or both? |
| but ai art is human art since ai is copying human art |
| @Shishio-kun I quickly spotted things in those pics that no human artist of that level would ever make without wanting to correct it. The first one has subtly bad anatomy. I have seen artists do awkwardly bent poses like that but only when they are still learning poses, but setting aside her scoliosis look at her other thigh. It looks like her other ass cheek is missing from a position it seems a small amount should be visible id think and the other thigh isnt connected in the right spot where we assume her other side of her hip would be positioned. She has some thing on her neck which is incomprehensible what it is. The snowfall is unnaturally unevenly distributed and the AI got confused and it looks like it tried to make sparkles near her wrist out of the snow. There also is snow accumulated on plants that would never accumulate so much snow, snow would fall off those leaves or collapse the whole plant. The AI lacks the common sense any artist would have. Even unskilled artists know where they screwed up to some degree but AI fails at this because it doesnt understand human perception and logic. Second one her skirt is too short on one side making it lopsided.The lights in the ceiling are completely random even though it attempted to make them look structured. The reflections in the floor dont match what they reflect it seems like there is a double image you can see in the right same person has two reflections and there is text there in the floor not anywhere else and there is missing text from the signs and so on. Her ear also looks off to me like it sticks out too much or is too big for her facial proportions. She also is the only one with a shadow cast on the ground while everyone else it's a reflection and the shadow doesnt even match. Even without using an AI detection tool if someone said "i drew this" id say "bullshit. You used generative AI" |
traedDec 25, 2023 2:51 PM
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I would be very wary about mixing the word sin with art, for art is first and foremost pagan, even the one of religious inspiration in general (you can paint God half-naked if you are Michelangelo, but it does not seem to be a good idea in general). However, you are correct in the sense that AI is even more irrelevant than digital art. Feeding a bunch of instructions to a program has little to do with trying to craft a sentence by yourself or getting an understand of colours and various material one can use in paintings. People who say that AI "art" is superior to human art probably only know art through the lens of digital art, which in itself is already something made for the lazy ones. AI is made for those who do not even give it a try. Escher was also pointing out at the end of his life how difficult it is to make something of your ideas, but in the TikTok generation, it does not come as a surprise that no one wants to make any efforts any more... It is another challenge to confront yourself with matter and its limitations... This is probably why most popular (and overrated) artists keep doing silly ready-made sold for millions to hide their inability to understand the history of their own art and be judged by objective criteria that have stand the test of time. This kind of assistance is however reminiscent of what modern-day sculptors use with advanced machines that cut through marble with water. I is amusing to notice that using those advanced techniques, they have not overcome a single great sculptor of the past.
What people also miss about AI art is the absence of enjoyment there is to create—or in this case, the illusion that you have created something new, although it was merely generated. AI painfully copies digital art which in itself is a minor art that does not even belong to painting; I fail to see what is so admirable about that. How boring.
@Zettaiken What is your point exactly? Hand-made clothes are still superior to the crap that you find in supermarkets. The technologies that you refer to have little to do with the way art is actually made. The major difference is that AI is not a new tool, it also replaces the craftsman (or pretends to). If you need AI for "ideas," maybe art is not made for you...
@Shishio-kun To be fair, I do not find standard digital art less "soulless" than the examples that you have shown above. This "art" form is by default emotionless.
What people also miss about AI art is the absence of enjoyment there is to create—or in this case, the illusion that you have created something new, although it was merely generated. AI painfully copies digital art which in itself is a minor art that does not even belong to painting; I fail to see what is so admirable about that. How boring.
@Zettaiken What is your point exactly? Hand-made clothes are still superior to the crap that you find in supermarkets. The technologies that you refer to have little to do with the way art is actually made. The major difference is that AI is not a new tool, it also replaces the craftsman (or pretends to). If you need AI for "ideas," maybe art is not made for you...
@Shishio-kun To be fair, I do not find standard digital art less "soulless" than the examples that you have shown above. This "art" form is by default emotionless.
| @Meusnier if you buy the cheapest stuff and compare to hand-made non-cheap stuff, instead of those which requires some money, than why would you ven be surprised that they're crap? Replaces a craftsman it is not something new that the craftsman is replaced by a tool, already mentioned industrial revolution I guess you should already noticed where is it going, tell me how many craftmanship were replaced by a tool, blacksmiths, cooper, tinker, fullo etc. There is no difference, and I am aware of AI not being new like from yesterday... I am not in the internet from yesterday either. My point is that such thing happening is a repetition of what has already happened and it will happen again soon, and will happen something similar in future decades/centuries and that's just how it is. Ah and btw you might not be aware, but drawing and art is my hobby since childhood, been to some courses about drawing, published a good number of my own drawings no matter of their quality, didn't publish a several times more stuff which I don't consider good enough, aswell as participated in some art contests. [And 95-100% of what art is can be replaced/made artificially just by following the logical instructions and theories] |
ZettaikenDec 25, 2023 5:04 PM
| @Cladocera But it does since it's the intent of the software and from what data it has available more than the person doing a prompt. I already explained that, digital artists and traditional artists both can use tools that assist them or reject them. That can be done with AI too but that isn't the case of how it's being used it's being mainly used in case of text prompts or modifying other people's art in case of image to image which is similar to tracing. I never said that someone can't be an artist using AI but usually like 99.99999% of the time in case of text to image that isn't the case because the prompter is no where near the detail the AI produces and especially not image to image without prompt. It is merely a description from a pool of tags. A blind child could do it to as good of results as anyone else with some assistance. If anyone and anything can be an artist then it completely loses any significance of meaning and becomes a pointless word with no reason to exist. I'd say the term art and artist are a bit vague which is why I think different things need different labels. A prompter isn't a drawer, or a painter. A CNC operator isn't a sculpture. A commissioner isnt an artist. Even if you tried to call them artists it's obvious they aren't of the same skill type or skill level required. Someone is only an artist if they make the bulk of the input otherwise they are an artist assistant. |
traedDec 25, 2023 7:46 PM
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| The first step is to stop calling it "AI". The ChatGTP program is just a copycat program that spits out averages- or approximations of what you feed into it. It has many uses, the so-called "Predictive Intelligence" capability is of more value to corporate America than 'AI Art'. But as always, this shitty society of ours can't help but find completely stupid uses for otherwise decent computing tools. Using the program to generate 'art' (i.e., spits out slightly changed copies of what was fed into it) is the most useless thing to do with it. |
When only the AI remembers the traditional methods in the Electric Zoomie Boogaloo society of 2030.  |
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| The Creator said it. Evolution. Artists will have to adapt. |
Zack312 said: I would rather praise a bad drawing made by actual human hands than by one made completely by a computer. AI is a cancer to art itself and I can´t believe how many people are welcoming it. Its easy for them to say that since they are probably not artists and can´t even draw them selves AI art is NOT art, it's just a fun tool to play around with, it's nothing more than a toy |
Cladocera said: Which one has more value Hmm which one has more value you ask... Let's try and use a different example You have a factory made dress you bought for 20 bucks at uniclo vs a hand made dress, which one has more value? ( i am asking which one has more value, not which one you personally think looks nicer) I think the answer is pretty obvious Again, use some reading comprehention please, i am asking which has more value between the dresses, not the factory worker vs the tailor I'm sure AI "art" can look nice and be fun, but don't kid yourself saying it has the same value, the same workmanship, as something made by a human moving a brush or a mouse Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
FluffygreygrassJan 3, 2024 6:00 AM
Reply to Meusnier
I would be very wary about mixing the word sin with art, for art is first and foremost pagan, even the one of religious inspiration in general (you can paint God half-naked if you are Michelangelo, but it does not seem to be a good idea in general). However, you are correct in the sense that AI is even more irrelevant than digital art. Feeding a bunch of instructions to a program has little to do with trying to craft a sentence by yourself or getting an understand of colours and various material one can use in paintings. People who say that AI "art" is superior to human art probably only know art through the lens of digital art, which in itself is already something made for the lazy ones. AI is made for those who do not even give it a try. Escher was also pointing out at the end of his life how difficult it is to make something of your ideas, but in the TikTok generation, it does not come as a surprise that no one wants to make any efforts any more... It is another challenge to confront yourself with matter and its limitations... This is probably why most popular (and overrated) artists keep doing silly ready-made sold for millions to hide their inability to understand the history of their own art and be judged by objective criteria that have stand the test of time. This kind of assistance is however reminiscent of what modern-day sculptors use with advanced machines that cut through marble with water. I is amusing to notice that using those advanced techniques, they have not overcome a single great sculptor of the past.
What people also miss about AI art is the absence of enjoyment there is to create—or in this case, the illusion that you have created something new, although it was merely generated. AI painfully copies digital art which in itself is a minor art that does not even belong to painting; I fail to see what is so admirable about that. How boring.
@Zettaiken What is your point exactly? Hand-made clothes are still superior to the crap that you find in supermarkets. The technologies that you refer to have little to do with the way art is actually made. The major difference is that AI is not a new tool, it also replaces the craftsman (or pretends to). If you need AI for "ideas," maybe art is not made for you...
@Shishio-kun To be fair, I do not find standard digital art less "soulless" than the examples that you have shown above. This "art" form is by default emotionless.
What people also miss about AI art is the absence of enjoyment there is to create—or in this case, the illusion that you have created something new, although it was merely generated. AI painfully copies digital art which in itself is a minor art that does not even belong to painting; I fail to see what is so admirable about that. How boring.
@Zettaiken What is your point exactly? Hand-made clothes are still superior to the crap that you find in supermarkets. The technologies that you refer to have little to do with the way art is actually made. The major difference is that AI is not a new tool, it also replaces the craftsman (or pretends to). If you need AI for "ideas," maybe art is not made for you...
@Shishio-kun To be fair, I do not find standard digital art less "soulless" than the examples that you have shown above. This "art" form is by default emotionless.
Meusnier said: (you can paint God half-naked if you are Michelangelo, but it does not seem to be a good idea in general) Fuck now i can't get this image out of my head LMAO!! Meusnier said: digital art, which in itself is already something made for the lazy ones Though this i disagree with Like with animation for example, there's classic 2D and there's 3D CGI, there's nothing wrong with having both, and there's nothing wrong with liking one more than the other, the problem only arises when one starts to take over the other (thing that's happening more and more with western animation) Like i've said in many other threads, innovation should bring variety, not eradication |
| Judging by the first post, I think that it is pretty reasonable, yeah, everyone should have the same opinion as the one in the first post. Everyone else who disagrees is too incompetent to have a good opinion, yeah. Check mate |
emilio688 said: Even before AI most art looked like shit. Why do artists think we owe them something? If a computer program can replace a human then apparently the human wasn't that good anyway. How many items in your home are made by machines and how many hand-made without any machines? Hypocrisy much. More like why do coders and big tech CEOs think we owe them for something no one asked for? Why are you even posting? An AI could be doing that instead. Why are you even watching anime? An AI could be doing that instead. |
traedDec 26, 2023 2:38 PM
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emilio688 said: we don't and in the near future everyone will be able to create their own software, games and anime without paying a dime. Isn't that pretty amazing? Why do we all act like that's something bad? Of course the way we handle work and money needs to be changed when AI and robots will do most jobs. They wouldn't be the one's creating it though. Part of the enjoyment is the creation process and you're acting like having a computer do it for someone is literally the same thing when it obvious isn't. AI existing will not change the economy only people can do that given enough power. And that has nothing to do with generative AI images. |
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| I'm sorry, 99% of art is shit that is either literally funded by taxpayer money for propaganda purposes or used as money laundering. I'd greatly prefer AI Art over the CIA telling people to use semen instead of paint for seizing trillions of dollars. |
Mao said: If you have to shit, shit! If you have to fart, fart!  |
| Yeahh I'm not a fan either. It's here to stay though and the best I can hope for is that people label their generated images appropriately so I don't have to look at them. |
| Indeed, cuz of it some real artists aren't appreciated anymore because oh you can make art just like that but there is huge difference between ai art and real ones. Real ones have personality and own details, Ai art is really soulless and empty & obvious and quite boring too |
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| Here's the thing, though. I don't think anyone is actually going out there and praising artwork just because it was made "by a person". A few years ago, these same people would have been the ones who were putting them down for their art not living up to some kind standard, or trying to put them down for simply desiring to be an artist. But now that AI is a part of the picture, they are all singing a different tune, and suddenly everyone seems to care so much about the artists. Even though none of them would ever be caught dead supporting small artists, digital or otherwise. The economic concerns are also completely unfounded in my opinion. Do you really think a CEO is going to sit down, and start generating AI for their brand? Even if they did, do you really think they would come up with a better result than a graphic designer would? The idea that people think some corporate suits would actually be able to replace artists shows how little these people value artists in the first place. This new form of "AI art" is not very consistent. Millions of dollars go into marketing each year, to try and achieve a very specific image for the brand. The diminishing returns of relying on an inconsistent algorithm, in contrast to just hiring a graphic designer seems to suggest that the designer is a far greater long term investment, than what they could save nickle-and-diming in AI art. If anything, it will be the artist who is using the AI (importantly: alongside a knowledge of design fundamentals!!!) in their submissions, not the corporation. These types of people who manufacture concerns about corporations don't actually care about artists, either. As for my personal preference, I like looking into the mind of the creator. I like looking at the subtle imperfections in their work, that hint at their creative process, as well as their standing at the time they made it, and comparing it over the course of years. My favourite things ever were created by scrappy, passionate individuals, who despite their technical, or financial limitations, managed to create something that resonates with people. That is what makes something stand out. It remains to be seen whether or not AI can achieve this. I have my doubts that it could maintain such a distinct personality over the course of multiple works, but I'm not going to pretend to fight for artists by virtue signalling against it. It has it's place as a tool. We are currently living in an age where the quality and quantity of independent art is growing significantly, but people don't want to look at these achievements because it doesn't prey on people's fear. |
DreamWindowDec 27, 2023 12:56 AM
 This ground is soiled by those before me and their lies. I dare not look up for on me I feel their eyes |
| I definitely see it as a bit of a roadblock. If AI is a 'tool' I fail to see how... it's totally cool if bots can become more advanced, but it generally sucks if they do our own work for us. That would like, not even playing your own videogame anymore. OF COURSE THAT BLOWS!!! SOMEBODY NEEDS A KARATE CHOP TO THE NECK!!! |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| I'd be more inclined to call the shittiest games that came out this year art over AI "art". Gollum, King Kong, That new Grinch game, all of them are more worthy of being called art imo. At least there was some actual human work in there. Not very good human work, but still. Hell I'd be more inclined to call a toilet with a single rose placed in it art. Sure, visually some of the AI stuff looks interesting, but until it can create something completely from scratch without pulling from other sources, I'm not even going to remotely consider it art. And even then I'll still hate it because it'll just be another excuse to treat people in the animation industry and other actual artists like shit. |
| @Cladocera Cladocera said: If they're physically identical then they have the SAME VALUE, the same "workmanship" Cladocera said: you tell me to leave out the factory worker and the tailor, you know, the one doing the workmanship? Yes because their value as people doesn't change based on their wormanship skills And don't try "because a human made it", i could give the exact same example with a bird buiding it's own nest vs using a birdhouse store bought by a human Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
FluffygreygrassJan 3, 2024 6:07 AM
emilio688 said: AI and robots will make most jobs obsolete just like steam engine brought us from an 80 hour week to a 40 hour week. There are already much more people than there are jobs and the number will only rise in the coming years. Of course some people will need to create, operate and repair the robots but it's by far not as many as they replace. We need to get prepared that large parts of the population won't work anymore and capitalism, especially American capitalism is not prepared for that. In Europe they already test some models that lets people stay at home funded by robot-taxes. Nope https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html DreamWindow said: Here's the thing, though. I don't think anyone is actually going out there and praising artwork just because it was made "by a person". A few years ago, these same people would have been the ones who were putting them down for their art not living up to some kind standard, or trying to put them down for simply desiring to be an artist. But now that AI is a part of the picture, they are all singing a different tune, and suddenly everyone seems to care so much about the artists. Even though none of them would ever be caught dead supporting small artists, digital or otherwise. . That argument works better the other way. The people praising image generative AI only praise it just because it was made by AI and some would call it shit if a person did it to same result. They are mainly programmers just trying to feel important, and also people that have a distain for artists existing and also ideologues trying to keep the dying capitalism on life support with things like UBI |
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| @Cladocera Workmanship - the combination of skill, creativity, enjoyment and/or sense of accomplishment Take any one of those elements away and the workmanship, the "value", is not the same, it can still be nice to look at, it can still be well made, the person could've still enjoyed making it, but it is not the same Cladocera said: if they're identical then they have the same value. And yes they need to be identical for the comparison to even make sense or even be useful. You want examples with identical works? Here you go An original painting/drawing (skill + enjoyment + crativity) vs an exact copy (skill + enjoyment no creativity), one is art, one is a COPY of it, a knock off, a rip off, a bootleg, and NOT art Mod Edit: Removed baiting. |
FluffygreygrassJan 3, 2024 6:11 AM
Reply to traed
emilio688 said:
AI and robots will make most jobs obsolete just like steam engine brought us from an 80 hour week to a 40 hour week. There are already much more people than there are jobs and the number will only rise in the coming years. Of course some people will need to create, operate and repair the robots but it's by far not as many as they replace. We need to get prepared that large parts of the population won't work anymore and capitalism, especially American capitalism is not prepared for that. In Europe they already test some models that lets people stay at home funded by robot-taxes.
AI and robots will make most jobs obsolete just like steam engine brought us from an 80 hour week to a 40 hour week. There are already much more people than there are jobs and the number will only rise in the coming years. Of course some people will need to create, operate and repair the robots but it's by far not as many as they replace. We need to get prepared that large parts of the population won't work anymore and capitalism, especially American capitalism is not prepared for that. In Europe they already test some models that lets people stay at home funded by robot-taxes.
Nope
https://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/users/rauch/worktime/hours_workweek.html
DreamWindow said:
Here's the thing, though. I don't think anyone is actually going out there and praising artwork just because it was made "by a person". A few years ago, these same people would have been the ones who were putting them down for their art not living up to some kind standard, or trying to put them down for simply desiring to be an artist. But now that AI is a part of the picture, they are all singing a different tune, and suddenly everyone seems to care so much about the artists. Even though none of them would ever be caught dead supporting small artists, digital or otherwise. .
Here's the thing, though. I don't think anyone is actually going out there and praising artwork just because it was made "by a person". A few years ago, these same people would have been the ones who were putting them down for their art not living up to some kind standard, or trying to put them down for simply desiring to be an artist. But now that AI is a part of the picture, they are all singing a different tune, and suddenly everyone seems to care so much about the artists. Even though none of them would ever be caught dead supporting small artists, digital or otherwise. .
That argument works better the other way. The people praising image generative AI only praise it just because it was made by AI and some would call it shit if a person did it to same result. They are mainly programmers just trying to feel important, and also people that have a distain for artists existing and also ideologues trying to keep the dying capitalism on life support with things like UBI
traed said: That argument works better the other way. The people praising image generative AI only praise it just because it was made by AI and some would call it shit if a person did it to same result. They are mainly programmers just trying to feel important, and also people that have a distain for artists existing and also ideologues trying to keep the dying capitalism on life support with things like UBI Independent art is more lucrative now that it has ever been. The economics are not a concern. The fact that you even bring it up is what annoys me the most about this whole situation. Because at the end of the day, it's not about the artist. It's about pushing a political agenda, be it anti capitalist or otherwise. It's so fucking tiring and boring. |
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Pfft, soulless AI will never be able to create true art like this... >.> |
| Calling it as "art" is mistake from the first place. AI drawing is soul-less and awkward to see until it becomes noticeable everytime and everywhere. |
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Reply to DigiCat
Cladocera said:
Which one has more value
Which one has more value
Hmm which one has more value you ask...
Let's try and use a different example
You have a factory made dress you bought for 20 bucks at uniclo vs a hand made dress, which one has more value? ( i am asking which one has more value, not which one you personally think looks nicer)
I think the answer is pretty obvious
Again, use some reading comprehention please, i am asking which has more value between the dresses, not the factory worker vs the tailor
I'm sure AI "art" can look nice and be fun, but don't kid yourself saying it has the same value, the same workmanship, as something made by a human moving a brush or a mouse
Mod Edit: Removed baiting.
| @DigiCat Technically, nothing has value intrinsically. the piece of cloth serves its purpose, thats all its value is. now you may put an armani or rolex higher than a cheaper watch or suit, but thats just the price put on for its branding. they both serve their purpose of telling time or covering your ass, no true value other than utility. Art has no true utility. look at art, made by the likes of starwars or mcu, it wasnt ai scripted, it was actual humans, and it is BAD. what value does the piece of art that is she hulk, or kenobi have? |
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@DigiCat Technically, nothing has value intrinsically.
the piece of cloth serves its purpose, thats all its value is. now you may put an armani or rolex higher than a cheaper watch or suit, but thats just the price put on for its branding. they both serve their purpose of telling time or covering your ass, no true value other than utility. Art has no true utility.
look at art, made by the likes of starwars or mcu, it wasnt ai scripted, it was actual humans, and it is BAD. what value does the piece of art that is she hulk, or kenobi have?
the piece of cloth serves its purpose, thats all its value is. now you may put an armani or rolex higher than a cheaper watch or suit, but thats just the price put on for its branding. they both serve their purpose of telling time or covering your ass, no true value other than utility. Art has no true utility.
look at art, made by the likes of starwars or mcu, it wasnt ai scripted, it was actual humans, and it is BAD. what value does the piece of art that is she hulk, or kenobi have?
| @KuroudoAkabane xD Honestly you couldn't have put it better, also, no where does it say that human made art can't be bad ;P But... your example of modern Marvel/Star Wars does kinda bring up the same dilemma OP bought up about AI "art", the very reason it's bad is because it lacks the passion people put in to create it, and like AI "art" can be fun and even look good, there's some bits of modern Marvel/Star Wars i actually had fun watching, but it's without a doubt lacking in what made the Star Wars originals and prequels and the first 3 phases of the MCU special, and there is what give the latter more value than it's modern counterpart, just like with art vs AI art :) |
| Rapunzel from Tangled Human made on the left - AI made on the right I think we all know the human made on the left is better  |
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AI/technology is not cancer - it is efficiency, and something civilization should welcome. We're just living through the transition, and human nature generally prefers what they're familiar with. Just look at older generations and their general resistance against change and new tech. Consider the following examples:
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