| All for the sake of increasing its clout on the global stage? |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| No. They can have whatever Western stuff being made and leave us alone...though i should mention i dont think anime should be just otaku pandering stuff rather id like more stuff true to an artistic vision as well. |
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| Miyazaki did just that. Look where he got to. |
| No, serving both is the key to increased success. |
*kappa* |
| The ideal is to have anime for all types of audiences, just as there already is. :'3 |
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| fuck no. also I don't think you know what otaku means. |
| 馬鹿げた倫理 全部ガラクタで |
| Is it possible to appeal to that non-anime audience, collect profits, and use that money to generate quality content for genuine anime fans? Maybe it sounds too wacky. |
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| i'd rather they made what they wanted, resulting in a wide, diverse array of anime being produced, than pander to any group specifically. That said, if they are going to pander, then yes, please pander to someone other than shut in neets, please. Non-anime fans seem to have higher standards and seem to get bored of dry, generic, cut and paste shows quicker than anime fans. |
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| No. Ideally they should solely pander to me but since that's not possible, I want them to do the closest thing to that which is pandering to Otakus. |
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| It should do exactly the opposite, actually. An honest industry thrives on symbiotic mutualism with its real fans who love its franchises and who buy the merchandise, and thus wouldn't benefit from shafting them to concede to a minority of virtue signalling foreigners who care more about trying to police the medium than they do expressing any sort of passion or genuine interest for anything. |
  ｲ乇刀乇乃尺ﾑ乇 ╔⏤═⏤╝   ╚⏤═⏤╗☽ Shaded Horizon ☾ |
| no, I really don't like that idea. Its already popular as it is, I don't really need the whole world to watch anime. |
Itsuki >  |
| Imagine wokeness took over anime... |
" Kindness can sometimes lead you to trouble. "  |
Reply to KittenCuddler
i'd rather they made what they wanted, resulting in a wide, diverse array of anime being produced, than pander to any group specifically. That said, if they are going to pander, then yes, please pander to someone other than shut in neets, please. Non-anime fans seem to have higher standards and seem to get bored of dry, generic, cut and paste shows quicker than anime fans.
| @FelinesAreDivine What is it with you and your delusional generalizing shit takes you make all the time? |
| "Well, she's flatter than a pancake" -Mimi Alpacas |
| No, I am of the belief that media should exist, and then get popular. The moment you do anything BECAUSE you want it to be popular, it will start loosing it's value. That's why It always annoys me when safer projects like demon slayer get super mainstream. because it invites others to do the same. Love or hate them, more weirder popular shows like: Chainsaw man, Evangelion, death parade or made in abyss, are the shows keeping the none-safe part of the anime community alive. |
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| "pander to those who don't like anime instead" That would be a weird business model. The media could try to lure audience outside of the main fandom with some side projects, but the main effort would be towards the low hanging fruit, otherwise it wouldn't be sustainable policy for the industry. |
| No, the anime that do the things that only anime can do are the most valuable. Anime that "don't feel like anime" are fine too, both kinds can exist at the same time. |
| They shouldn't do it. Just leave them alone. |
| I need somebody who can love me at my worst No, I'm not perfect, but I hope you see my worth 'Cause it's only you, nobody new, I put you first And for you, girl, I swear I'll do the worst If you stay forever, let me hold your hand I can fill those places in your heart no else can Let me show you love, oh, I don't pretend, yeah I'll be right here, baby, you know I'll sink or swim |
Reply to Tropisch
@FelinesAreDivine What is it with you and your delusional generalizing shit takes you make all the time?
| @Tropisch Don't be hatin, brotha'! i'm just calling it as i see it, and i see weeby bros willing to guzzle down the same, generic, power fantasy and isekai slop season after season after season |
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Reply to Tropisch
@FelinesAreDivine What is it with you and your delusional generalizing shit takes you make all the time?
| @Tropisch Aren't there a lot of anti-otaku types like him on MAL though? @alshu Video games are doing it to very very mixed results. |
AhegyaoNov 15, 2023 10:11 AM
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
Ahegyao said: very very mixed results Last time I have checked the video games were making tons and tons of money. They can afford some duds. |
Reply to alshu
Ahegyao said:
very very mixed results
very very mixed results
Last time I have checked the video games were making tons and tons of money. They can afford some duds.
| @alshu Doesn't seem to be sustainable judging by AAA game's being churned out in beta stages now. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
Ahegyao said: judging by AAA Well, duuuuh. I said side projects. |
| They should not sacrifice quality for twitter clout. I hope japan would not bend their will for baka gaijin. |
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| No. If this happens we will have more tourists crying over ecchi, moe and eroge. |
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| No. They decided to do that in the mid-2010s, and it caused anime to take a freefall in quality. It didn't start to recover until recently, as this year has been the best for anime since about 2016. They recovered by abandoning Western influence, and now you see those tourists who came into the fandom from late 2016-2022 all bashing anime with the same insults they used on us in the past. That prove that anime's gatekeeping is working, which is good. |
| So, you basically want it to end like western comics and video games? NO |
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| How could anime abandon otakus when otakus are the free real major labour force and consumers in the industry? It'd be bad business. |
Help! I need somebody. Help! Not just anybody. Help! You know I need someone. Helpppppp!  |
Reply to ToumaTachibana
Those who hate Anime are generally lunatic racists so nope. And that won't increase their global stage since a lot of people are not racists.
| @Nurguburu Ackshually, anime haters are a very diverse lot. Hell, they're even on MAL as we speak. @Nyron So you have no argument and you resort with that passive aggressive ad hominem to boot. So much for being the "cultured" one. @alshu Didn't think you did. Regardless, Indie also has its fair share of controversies like Yandere dev's development hell. |
AhegyaoNov 15, 2023 6:08 PM
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
Ahegyao said: Didn't think you did. In my original post, remember? Whatever... |
| They should just do good shows. Unfortunately "pandering to otaku" means the opposite of good show more often than not. |
| ideally, the priority should just be making good crap, marketability be damned, but writers and animators gotta eat. studios pander to certain demographics because honing in on a niche can net more loyal fanbases of people who will keep up with/buy merch for a specific franchise long-term. its easy to understand why one would think appealing to nerds will get more eyeballs on their work just based on the sheer GIRTH of the anime community, but pandering to weebs for no other reason than to pander is just a bad time for everyone. considering that though, anime in general can always be considered "pandery" to otakus on a fundamental level because the existence of otakus is solely dependent on it: no anime = no otakus. im also slightly ticked off by the presence of an "otaku culture" tag here on mal, because what's considered otaku pandering in america is more equivalent to pop culture references over there, which american media also has. here, we just call things like the big bang theory annoying and leave it at that. just because the references made in certain shows are more obscure or frequent compared to others, that shouldn't constitute a whole subgenre. many anime under the otaku culture label would fit just as well under parody |
MoonlavaNov 17, 2023 4:42 PM
| Wouldn't you want to make a product you already understand the consumers for? This formula clearly works so why even bother to change it? |
"Nobody could laugh at someone who's trying their hardest" -Machio- |
Ah, Yes, the Very Comfy, yet seemingly Much-Maligned and Ignored "Boring" Middle-of-the-Road... where my Wife♥ pretty much Resides... as well as most every Waifu that i've ever collected through the years;  |
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Reply to KittenCuddler
@Tropisch Don't be hatin, brotha'! i'm just calling it as i see it, and i see weeby bros willing to guzzle down the same, generic, power fantasy and isekai slop season after season after season
| @FelinesAreDivine Most the people into the really generic isekai with an OP MC and nothing particularly unique or charming about the characters are usually new to anime who just have nothing to compare to or just are watching to have a range of experience having something not good to watch to make good stuff more special feeling. |
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| Isn’t anime already kinda doing that? I mean recently we got Pluto and just now the second season of Great Pretender got announced |
| @animegamer245 Complete shot in the dark since I haven't seen Pluto, but it's an Urasawa series and those tend to market themselves to normies. Great Pretender, OTOH, has the look of a typical anime but is basically an American heist movie. |
| I wish Cowboy Bebop never existed. |
| We can go both ways with this not really good idea |
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| Let's start with the fact that "otaku pandering" is a misconception, since in Japan anime is a much more mainstream media format, it doesn't need to target otaku directly. On the contrary, most shows try to attract diverse and ordinary people. Like most Japanese media, for example, in Japan doramas are considered to be regular TV dramas and not the exotic idol dramas found outside of East Asia. Secondly, I don’t think that anime or any media at all should adopt the Western trend of artificially changing or restructuring the audience. Not only does this not work and deprive you of your original audience, but it also negatively affects the brand, which destroys all its connections with the original fanbase. |
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