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Dec 13, 2022 6:30 AM
#1
| I saw a topic about best written character in a certain anime, Is it simply character you like? Or a dramatic one? or someone with deep and complex story? |
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Dec 13, 2022 6:46 AM
#2
| It means nothing. Well-written characters are but an illusion. |
Dec 13, 2022 6:48 AM
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Dec 13, 2022 6:50 AM
#4
| The complete opposite of Madoka Magica's characters |
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Dec 13, 2022 6:51 AM
#5
| 'Well-written' in and off itself is a pretty subjective adjective, but you can throw friendliness away and start bashing, like this user: DreadfulControl said: The complete opposite of Madoka Magica's characters |
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Dec 13, 2022 6:55 AM
#6
| I guess a compelling character with the way they behave, their origins, motivations, investment value, sympathetic value and etc a character that makes you go "was this person truly just written by somebody, am I really watching something written by a person" this is exaggerated, I highly doubt anyone ever thinks that cause I don't but you get the general point, a character that makes you invested in themselves and so on |
Dec 13, 2022 6:59 AM
#7
| The character doesn't have to be likable, it just needs to be a character with consistent beliefs and actions and their backstory tells the audience why they behave a certain way. I can't believe I'm saying this, even though I hate this character to no limits, Askeladd is a well-written character in the sense that he has so much more facets than most characters. He isn't one of those straightforward, one-dimensional characters that you can simply categorize as "good" or "bad." He is a murderer, a con man, and a schemer all in one. And his backstory explains so much about his actions and the decision he makes. I still hate him tho and I think that's the point. |
Dec 13, 2022 7:02 AM
#8
DreadfulControl said: The complete opposite of Madoka Magica's characters Sure, aside from Madoka and Homura the rest are pretty thin on characterization. I just don't understand how they end up so many favorite lists... Anyway, Madoka and Homura are great characters imo. |
Dec 13, 2022 7:15 AM
#9
| OK, well-written characters usually have their motivations, has personality, if that character is the MC, then that character should be likeable or at least should have thoughts and worldview that makes him/her interesting. This is the most subjective part when it comes to 'good writing'. Important characters should have free will and not being part of piece of fiction as plot device in a contrived and lazy storytelling. (that's why I bashed Madoka previously, because I found Urobutcher's writing garbage). |
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Dec 13, 2022 7:18 AM
#10
| I would say its a difficult thing to define, partly because there will always be disagreement as to what it means, but certainly that should not be taken as proof that there is no such thing as "good character writing". I guess the way I would start to think about it is by asking what is the function of a character, a well written character is a character that serves that function well. |
Dec 13, 2022 7:22 AM
#11
| Whatever character checks off the boxes for people for a likable character, I guess. I know some people are going to assert that there's objectivity to their statements. But for any character to be "objectively well-written," there has to be some commonly agreed ideas of what makes a good or poorly written character. Which there are none. Everyone has different thoughts about characters. |
Dec 13, 2022 7:25 AM
#12
| if i feel that the character makes sense, it's a well enough written character |
Dec 13, 2022 7:27 AM
#13
| In order to make a well written character you write them with a personality, goals, flaws, strengths, weaknesses a dramatic need, relationships and so on. It should be understood, that a strong character is not necessarily one who's physically strong, but one who's compelling and who the audience wants to watch and know more about. A character needs to have flaws and weaknesses in order to have room to grow throughout the course of the story. This is what makes a character interesting and gives a story tension and suspense. But if you're reluctant to write a character with flaws your character is doomed to be bland and uninteresting, which is why Mary Sue characters tend to fall flat so often. |
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Dec 13, 2022 7:30 AM
#14
| for me, well-written character is when you can't describe him with only one sentence (which can be easily done with most anime characters that are one dimensional) |
Dec 13, 2022 7:34 AM
#15
epidemia78 said: DreadfulControl said: The complete opposite of Madoka Magica's characters Sure, aside from Madoka and Homura the rest are pretty thin on characterization. I just don't understand how they end up so many favorite lists... Anyway, Madoka and Homura are great characters imo. I disagree about Homura because her character gets ruined in the movie (actually the third movie ruined the whole series by creating a pretentious and pointless sequel of a story that had already had its conclusion) while Homura had already had plot holes (she could have save the day with her abilities but she didn't and many people felt sorry for her due to Urobutcher's manipulative writing). On the other hand, I used to hate Sayaka but a blogger who is inactive convinced me, that Sayaka had decent characterization but Urobutcher decided to torture her audience making Sayaka the most miserable character ever. |
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Dec 13, 2022 7:38 AM
#16
| A character with an agenda and a mind of their own that doesn't serve to any character or the telling of a plot. Someone not painted in black or white on the morality scale. And I don't mean that in the extreme, but also with ordinary characters, like the neighbor of a student studying at uni |
Dec 13, 2022 8:16 AM
#17
| With a good background story for me, for whom you sympathize and worry. |
Dec 13, 2022 8:20 AM
#18
| Kazuto Kirigaya and Asuna Yuuki for representing what we want to be along with what we mean to each other as partners in love. They're badasses, cute, deep, well-though-put, conflicted, broad, smart, good-looking, somewhat religious and the best couple of all time. |
Dec 13, 2022 8:20 AM
#19
| It's a fully fleshed rounded character with complete logic and reason to their views and actions. |
Dec 13, 2022 8:31 AM
#20
| 100% subjective, a "well-written" character is just a complex character for whoever judging it |
Dec 13, 2022 8:57 AM
#21
| It depends on the anime. Someone whose motivations, ideals are fully fleshed out and have some decent development over the course of the anime(this varies, obviously). Of course, his actions and behaviour should be consistent along with it. DreadfulControl said: The complete opposite of Madoka Magica's characters Glad that someone finally said it. |
Dec 13, 2022 9:11 AM
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Dec 13, 2022 9:12 AM
#23
| this is how a well-written character looks. i hope this resolves all your doubts. |
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Dec 13, 2022 9:20 AM
#24
| imo Charecters who do not have preset characteristics and throughout the story it gains different dimensions to its character step by step. Since you can't always assign a certain character to real world situation and evaluate it's potentials. It would be not so worthwhile to look for realism. |
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Dec 13, 2022 10:41 AM
#25
| well-written characters died after the release of Madoka Magica. |
Dec 13, 2022 12:58 PM
#26
| I like the bashing of Urobutcher's character writing on this thread, but Madoka at least had like 1 or 2 good characters, Fate/Zero is far worse. So, the complete opposite of Fate/Zero's characters. |
Dec 13, 2022 1:10 PM
#27
| A semi-pretentious way of someone saying that they like a certain character. Emphasis on "semi". |
Dec 13, 2022 1:20 PM
#28
| A well-written character involves some leadership in an anime. Typically he/she has to be stood out from other characters in order to become an attractive character. Then, the well-written character has to have some sort of influence on the plot or other characters or himself/herself in general. That's the character development part which makes the character stood out from the rest. Another example is that the character can also have some determination on a certain goal, but it turns to have some conflicts with other characters. Then, the fun part is to see how that character's reactions on the conflicts. |
Dec 13, 2022 1:31 PM
#29
| One that convinces me that they have actual emotions and put thoughts into what they are saying and doing and not just following the script of an author. Realistic and natural, doesn't need a deep story or even be likable. |
Dec 13, 2022 1:39 PM
#30
| @Rinrinka I think it means a well-designed character... like when an author is coming up with how a character is going to act, what their background is, their personality, etc... And then executing that character well in their series. Beastars has lots of those. See my "favorite characters list"s for well-written characters. |
Dec 13, 2022 2:15 PM
#31
| If she's female, sexy and has good personality that's a well-written character. |
Dec 13, 2022 5:11 PM
#32
| When I use the term I mean that the character isn't one dimensional. For example, Nakano Nino from Gotoubun started off as a tsundere character and as the story progresses, her tsundere part gets better but still being one at the same time. |
Dec 13, 2022 5:16 PM
#33
| I think "well-written" basically just means a characters who's actions and motivations are convincingly conveyed to the audience. I also imagine a minimum level of complexity is required tho what that threshold is will vary by the individual. That's about as detailed as I dare get with such an open-ended question. |
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Dec 13, 2022 5:17 PM
#34
| I thought the characters from Black Lagoon and RE:Creators had well written characters. |
Dec 13, 2022 5:38 PM
#35
| I guess reasons they do what they do/things we know about them and if you really care what their motivations/emotional state is. If they are a villain I think if their reasons are fair it's fine. When it's generic it sticks out sure and may seek out something different or more value in it but still. I honestly don't care about characters being realistic, emotion spouting and so on or well written as long as they aren't annoying with their tropes too much. To me the 'ideal' of motivations and expectations makes me yawn and not listen. If they aren't outgoing I don't care. If they are more introverted I don't care. If I have to see characters forced to push them being outgoing as a sign of character 'development' because they have now 'changed'. Yeah no. Forced 'ideal relevance/expectations' is dumb. It isn't well written characters just forced personality change (harem or real/fictional world rules of you must do this and you are now a hero when they never wanted to be but get seen that way or whatever other possibilities a character is seen as). Forced to be the hero, forced to change and be part of a club because everyone else is in a club, forced to not be a virgin or whatever nonsense anime has sure................. yeah I don't think they work and are annoying reminders. If they say something comedic it's fine if it lands well based on timing and situation or personality quirk. If it's a case of 'oh this drama, this tradgey, this and that' I don't care. Sometimes it's fine to lead into a story with characters related to it but if it's just 'here is my background and it has no meaning and just halts things' then no I don't take that unless it has a purpose. I usually find backstory to halt things (it can be relevant but I don't seek it out to know a character, besides not like we need to know everything about a character same as we don't need to know everything about real people) and on rewatches I usually don't care either I already know and it becomes a bit dragged out depending. I don't watch characters for them to be real/a friend/or whatever status just something that presents the story, jokes and whatever else as intended. If they parody them/push past a certain point with them (if not too aggressive to be a bit overly done or overly happy in a ridiculous way but depends on the extent they really want to push it) it's fine enough. If I know their hobbies and such I don't mind that much, if I have an experience similar to mine I don't care (never happens anyways so why would I bother seeking that and I wouldn't anyway because it just doesn't happen it's what the creator had presented from their own, someone else's or whatever other things they thought would be cool to add to it. I'm not going to hate a character because they aren't me who has had whatever ridiculous experiences or quite normal ones). I'm not going to say 'they didn't get distracted this way from school work, have this mindset to make a wiki about something, listen to obscure music, use a forum, research things that are obscure/popular, have this embarrassing event or this and that' (an example). No idea if people seek an exact copy of themselves which if they do it's pretty clear who those people are when they have them as a favourite likely/say they are well written I guess than others says they are well written and have a variety of characters that are as such from different series, trope starts/personality and events that happened to them. I watch for something to do not to seek something from a TV show the way a kid does a toy or a human being. I'd rather waste my time caring about gameplay mechanics that are cool than if a character is well written. XD |
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Dec 13, 2022 5:40 PM
#36
samsince04 said: The character doesn't have to be likable, it just needs to be a character with consistent beliefs and actions and their backstory tells the audience why they behave a certain way. I agree, you can personally despise a character, but you cannot say they are badly written merely based off of you like them or not. That’s what a lot of people are perhaps confused about. Consistency is key like you said, there has to be a reason why a character acts like they do. For me a badly written character would be Dante in DMC2, with a well-written character being Makoto Yuki in Persona 3. |
Dec 13, 2022 5:51 PM
#37
| I have a fantastic way to describe writing. a story or person (character) can be super interesting. but a poor story teller, can talk about them in a way that sounds dull and boring. but an old grandpa who has been reading books for years, would tell that same story to perfection. writing, is knowing how to showcase a character. where to add depth, how to be subtle, when to create change, when to not create change, understanding the characters role or purpose and so much more. the writing is the chef, the base of the story and characters are the recipe. now people will still have different opinions on what a perfectly cooked meal is, and some will have a problem with the idea of the dish itself, but the better the chef is, the less are the people who would complain about the food. |
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Dec 13, 2022 6:12 PM
#38
| IMO, it's a character that the audience accepts as the author intended. |
Dec 13, 2022 6:35 PM
#39
| Code Geass has well written characters. Not only they have complex personalities and motivations, they also develop and grow with the show. They respond to the experiences and events that happen to them and learn from it. They neither stagnate completely and remain 1 dimensional stereotype, neither do they become something totally different and implausible completely. They adapt to reality while staying themselves at the core. You can see how experience reflect on them, how they grow with it. However I guess the most important is that I could relate to such character, if he is male that is. Kind of like I would do the same thing if I was there. It is matter for me that I could wish for their success and victory. Like with Lelouch and Kaiji. With female characters is it often different. I need to find her a dating material instead. There are exceptions to that rule, like Revy for example, but overall that is how it is. Different standards here. Madoka Magica for example has well written and likable girls. They are very dating material. Out what I have not mentioned somewhere above: Fate/Zero, Revolutionary Girl Utena (only anime, ignore manga here), .hack//Sign, may be SEL, Umineko, Muge no Ryvius, Planetes to the level. One thing, writing well-written characters is always hard to write I guess, no real shortcuts to that. Well, if you can't write well, just make all girls cute dandere, kuudere or deredere instead. Will turn out better than some fail attempts at writing. |
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Dec 13, 2022 6:42 PM
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Dec 13, 2022 6:49 PM
#41
ThorLL said: Now I see what your issue is with big boobs. Madoka Magica for example has well written and likable girls. They are very dating material. |
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Dec 13, 2022 6:51 PM
#42
sxympathY said: You don't have to be well written at all to elicit hatred. lolFor me a '"well written character" is a character that is able to compel the audience to feel a certain emotion towards them. It doesn't have to be positive either, make us care about these characters or make us hate characters due to their actions or morals. Just make sure they're not an empty shell that has nothing to offer. |
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Dec 13, 2022 9:29 PM
#43
samsince04 said: The character doesn't have to be likable, it just needs to be a character with consistent beliefs and actions and their backstory tells the audience why they behave a certain way. I can't believe I'm saying this, even though I hate this character to no limits, Askeladd is a well-written character in the sense that he has so much more facets than most characters. He isn't one of those straightforward, one-dimensional characters that you can simply categorize as "good" or "bad." He is a murderer, a con man, and a schemer all in one. And his backstory explains so much about his actions and the decision he makes. I still hate him tho and I think that's the point. Pretty much exactly. You can have awful characters and they can still be well written as long as it feels like a real human being may act that way in such circumstances. |
Dec 13, 2022 10:25 PM
#44
LostSpectre said: ThorLL said: Now I see what your issue is with big boobs. Madoka Magica for example has well written and likable girls. They are very dating material. The opposite things puzzles me more tbh. Why some think that boobs are such make or brake thing. Like just having bigger boobs can make someone hotter and more likable just with that alone. Size of boobs is so low on my criteria of picking girls, yet a lot of people are so concerned about this thing in particular. Really what difference they make? |
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Dec 13, 2022 10:39 PM
#45
| Consistency with their motives and personality and a believable reason for why they act like how they act. Just don't do a urobutcher -Shizuna- said: If she's female, sexy and has good personality that's a well-written character. unironically true. |
Dec 14, 2022 12:13 AM
#46
| what madoka ever did to you guys?? sob |
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Dec 14, 2022 12:51 AM
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Dec 14, 2022 8:35 AM
#48
ThorLL said: If you're looking for a woman and not a young girl, then it's pretty straightforward why larger breasts are "hotter" or viewed as being more sexualized. LostSpectre said: ThorLL said: Madoka Magica for example has well written and likable girls. They are very dating material. The opposite things puzzles me more tbh. Why some think that boobs are such make or brake thing. Like just having bigger boobs can make someone hotter and more likable just with that alone. Size of boobs is so low on my criteria of picking girls, yet a lot of people are so concerned about this thing in particular. Really what difference they make? |
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Dec 15, 2022 12:09 AM
#49
LostSpectre said: ThorLL said: If you're looking for a woman and not a young girl, then it's pretty straightforward why larger breasts are "hotter" or viewed as being more sexualized. LostSpectre said: ThorLL said: Now I see what your issue is with big boobs. Madoka Magica for example has well written and likable girls. They are very dating material. The opposite things puzzles me more tbh. Why some think that boobs are such make or brake thing. Like just having bigger boobs can make someone hotter and more likable just with that alone. Size of boobs is so low on my criteria of picking girls, yet a lot of people are so concerned about this thing in particular. Really what difference they make? Your thinking is way too binaric. Women come in different shapes and sizes, there is not one size fits all here. Genrally you should look for what appeals to you personally and not for stuff someone else says hot or something. |
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Dec 15, 2022 12:25 AM
#50
| Well-written characters means they're written well. |
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