| 1-NGE fandom 2-FMAB fandom 3-SEL fandom 4-AOT fandom 5-One Piece fandom |
| Obviously, the MAL "Top Anime" fandom. |
| No any fandom is toxic than attack on titan fandom. |
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| That title goes to Attack on Titan fandom. In terms of toxicity the second most toxic fandom whoever that is, is behind AOT fandom by a large gap. |
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TheFireNinja said: I think the anime community in general can be toxic. The distinction in experience, name-calling, and the differences in taste with shows and genres. Right here It's just anime fans being anime fans. 3/10 thread |
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| Every anime which I have and will watch in the future. |
ZXEANFeb 22, 2022 11:03 AM
| In general any high popularity anime will be more toxic by default since there are just more fans in general. Couple years ago, people would say MHA, but as of right now I'd say AOT. It's popular, new, and also has enough younger fans, creating quite the pool of toxicity. I hate to say it but I might have to add FMAB to the list too, it's gotten weirdly toxic on MAL over the last couple years, where beforehand say back in 2017 it wasn't nearly as toxic (at least from what I recall). Even then though, other certain social medias don't seem to have the same level of toxicity in the FMAB community as it does on MAL, so who knows why it's happening. |
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| People always say that FMAB fandom is the most toxic, but I never had any problem with them and I barely see them fighting on the internet, however, they are involved in the downvote war, as I don't care about scores, that thing hasn't been a problem for me. Now, the Shingeki no Kyojin's fanboy is also involved in the downvote war, but they are also harassing everyone on the internet. "How the hell you don't think that Shingeki is the best fictional work made by humanity? You're just retarded and don't have the brain capacity to understand its story" So, I'll Shingeki's fanboys. |
| If you're a fanboy, please don't waste my time. Watch more movies, please. Perhaps, this is hell. |
| Most of anime fans are toxic in general because they are losers and somewhere they have to give vent to their failures in life. Its funny how you all mention SNK fandom but for example on this site I saw around 500 people shiting on AOT without any reason and maybe once someone fought back, sometimes you could think that SNK don't have fans at all. Last time someone wrote that " Re Zero is shit" and he got bullied to death XD Maybe I have different perspective because I don't use Twiter. |
ReegrezSNKFeb 22, 2022 11:11 AM
| most anime is trash, toxicity spices up the flavour. |
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| For me, it's not a particular series' fandom that's toxic but the "elitists" in general. Usually, people that like shows like "EVA, SEL, LOGH, Haibane Renmei, etc..." and believe that their taste is superior to everyone else's. I find them very annoying and conceited. Now, I don't mean to say that just because you like these shows you are one of them. Far from it. For example, I love LOGH. I'm only referring to those who look down on you and these are the shows they usually list as their favorites. |
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| Attack on Titan tops in that category. They cannot tolerate if anyone says against their anime. |
| any "top anime" fandom FMAB AOT Fighting for that number one spot ha |
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| my school literally revolves around aot. I can't run away from it and I hate it |
| Usually the people that ask this question because threads like this are basically summoning toxicity, giving a platform to people who want to shit on some show and its fans. OPs for this kind of thread always have an immediate answer at the ready too, not even trying to hide the fact that they just asked this rhetorical question so they can go off on their target while still claiming to generate discussion because a question was asked. A classic MAL thread archetype that seems to never get old, because it always has been. I find toxicity to be generally more of a property of individuals, not collectives so the question always felt stupid. People only think otherwise because they have experiences with individuals that they then project onto the collective fandom, ignoring the fact that the most obnoxious elements will always be the first and most noticeable ones, while the silent and chill majority doesn't go out of their way to interact with you. The toxic individuals do, which is why people encounter them sooner and more frequently. For bigger fandoms, there are more of them, which is why those seem 'more' toxic. But for the most part they aren't. And that's not even counting all the times I've seen of people complaining about a fandom being 'toxic' after it was them who started trashing their favorite show to their face for no reason, provoking and baiting them into a reaction that they can then use to claim 'toxicity' without mentioning what lead up to it. So yeah, I'm more wary of the individuals who love calling out 'toxic fanbases' and collectivizing their personal experiences, than I am of basically any fandom. |
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| Mal userbase. 30 characters and beyond |
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DiscordMod said: I'm only referring to those who look down on you and these are the shows they usually list as their favorites. That isn't really true in my experience, just a narrative that's been pushed. I've been looked down upon because of liking LOGH etc... way more than I have been looked down upon by people who have those shows as their favorites. I've also seen people be elitist about shows like SAO before, telling people that they should quit watching anime if they didn't like it and similar things. Elitism exists for moe slice of life shows and even ecchi elitists exist, who think anything that doesn't have sexy content is pretentious garbage not worth watching. No matter how casual or stupid or mainstream a show is, there's some people who are elitist about it if you interact with them. Or people only call that behaviour 'elitism' when people do it for critically acclaimed shows (which is the best shorthand I can come up with to summarize the kind of shows that people usually list as being associated with 'elitism'). When they see people act that way about something like Naruto they just call it 'fanboying' or whatever, creating a double standard that makes fans of critically acclaimed shows always get the short end of the stick. I think the reason why certain shows get dragged into the mud like that while other forms of elitism rarely get mentioned or at least not attached to that label is because it's an old narrative, at least 10 or 12 years in the making that was, for a long time, aggressively pushed by certain people, made its rounds through youtube and so on and got stuck in the head of everyone who was was or became an anime fan during the last 10 years or so. I still remember a time before that started so I know it wasn't always like this. There was a time when the term wasn't much used at all in the community and usually just to mention people who have one specific anime over everything else (a LOGH elitist or a Naruto Elitist etc..) refusing to accept any criticism towards their favorite and being a general asshole about it in arguments and discussions. The narrative about elitism being linked to specific shows only developed in 2011/12 and became so big that now everyone associates elitism only with specific shows and people stopped talking about elitism being a way in which people conduct themselves when gloryfying one show, no matter which one, and instead started talking about misleading terms like 'elitist taste' and 'elitist shows' and you still see the effects of that today in posts like yours. Things have gotten a lot better since (fortunately), but during the high times of these 'anti-elitist' crusades I've seen people bullied out of MAL just for liking old anime or having any other kind of taste that was associated with elitism based on lists of critically acclaimed shows (which is the best synonym I can come up with since that is usually what the shows on those lists have in common) like the one you mentioned. You couldn't even mention liking certain shows without people calling you an elitist no matter how you acted, making it not about demeanour but solely about taste, ostracizing people with certain preferences from the community. The whole thing was riding on the coattails of anti-intellectualism too, to the point where people automatically assumed you're pretentious if you have critically acclaimed favorites (especially if they weren't mainstream), that you are just pretending to like them to seem 'intellectual', basically telling people that their taste is wrong and not genuine. I've seen this happen hundreds if not thousands of times, and if putting down other people's taste like that, based on nothing, that's what I would call elitist behaviour and it was usually committed by people with random favorites that could be anything from battle shounen to rom-coms or cutesy slice of life. If you think about it, a lot of those shows (e.g. the ones you listed) have existed and have had fans for much longer than the elitism narrative has been associated with them which already shows that it didn't naturally came up with the fandoms of these shows, but only once the community got hooked on 'anti-elitism'. Because I doubt that all these shows had great wholesome fanbases and only, suddenly, out of nowhere all became elitist during the same 6 months. No, nothing about the fans changed but all of a sudden everyone was shitting on them for liking what they like. Another indicator that these lists of shows 'whose fans are likely to be elitist' aren't based on any real, tangible data or experience is that while they all tend to all revolve around critically acclaimed, often non-mainstream shows, the exact lists of shows that people associate with 'elitism' always vary a lot. Because everyone just remembers a bunch of hateful, negative encounters with anime fans if those encounters were with fans of critically acclaimed non-mainstream anime from are remembered as 'elitists' while the same behaviour from fans of other shows is just remembered as them being a fanboy or asshole. In the end it's only the critical acclaim of the shows that makes people judge them and their fans differently and I think that's pretty toxic and baseless. Just call an asshole an asshole no matter what kind of anime they like and let's bury this 'elitism' term which has for too long been associated with anti-intelletualism and bashing fans of certain shows. Here's my main issue with your reply: Usually, people that like shows like "EVA, SEL, LOGH, Haibane Renmei, etc..." and believe that their taste is superior to everyone else's. Why is it only elitism when they like those shows AND believe their taste is superior? In reality which shows people like has nothing to do and all the elitism is happening in the second part of your sentence, the only part you really needed if you just wanted to condemn elitist behaviour. Throwing some random shows under the bus in the process while ignoring all the elitism that exists outside of those fanbases, doesn't make sense to me at all. That makes it seem like it's not about the elitism and more about those shows you mentioned. That fact that you specifically deny that being the case makes me so confused about why you would still push that narrative then, instead of just complaining about general elitist behaviour without limiting it to a few handpicked shows. There isn't that much of a difference between saying 'liking NGE makes you an elitist' (which you aren't saying) and 'liking NGE likely makes you an elitist' (which you kinda are saying). Sure one statement is stronger/worse than the other, but both are basically doing the same thing: associating NGE as a show and people who like it with being an elitist. Both statements are problematic and false for the same reason, one just moreso than the other. For a comparison: Calling all women dumb or saying they're simply more likely to be dumb or that a dumb person is more likely to be female, is both equally sexist and problematic even tho one is technically worse. My point is that in my 12 years of being (very) active in the community I've seen the term 'elitism' rise out of nowhere, be consistently misused to attack certain fandoms and certain kinds of anime fan, only to finally mellow out a bit over and more people realizing that elitism is not an attribute of a show or someone's taste, but only about how people conduct themselves. Out of all the interactions I've observed in the anime community or been part of where the term 'elitism' played a role, easily 90-95% have been anti-elitists bashing people for liking the 'wrong' shows with nothing or almost nothing happening prior to that. So I'm still very allergic to people pushing these narrative that a) elitism is mainly if not only associated with specific shows while others NEVER get mentioned despite elitist behaviour being observable in almost every fandom. and b) 'elitism' is or ever was a bigger and more toxic problem for the community than the anti-elitist vigilantes that dominated the community for years, making hundreds of people quit MAL or completely retreat from the forums because they were that hostile of an environment if you, for example, liked older anime. You joined in 2021 when the worst was already over, but between I'd say 2012 and 2018 the anti-elitist hateposters were by far the worst aspect of the anime community and the furstrating thing was that, unlike elitists which are usually random individuals, basically the entire community was filled with 'anti-elitist' sentiments. So it wasn't like you'd occasionally have an unpleasant encounter like people do with elitists, but almost every interaction had that potential. I'm still surprised I managed to stick around during those years, but I'm also almost the only one from the couple of dozen people I was friends with on MAL in 2011/12 who didn't quit or at least retreated from the forums. It might not be as prevalent of a problem anymore (thank god) and the userbase on AD has become more varied again with those kind of fans not being gatekept anymore by the rest of the community, but that doesn't change the fact that individual elitism never was and never will be nearly as toxic and problematic as the systematic large-scale 'anti-elitism' I'm talking about. Which is why an internal alarm always goes off when I see someone still taking the term seriously and using it in association with specific shows and not just a specific type of behaviour. |
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| I think every popular anime, people tend to listen only to their personal opinions and don't care about other people's thoughts. It is very pity. |
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Alcoholicide said: That isn't really true in my experience, just a narrative that's been pushed. I've been looked down upon because of liking LOGH etc... way more than I have been looked down upon by people who have those shows as their favorites. I've also seen people be elitist about shows like SAO before, telling people that they should quit watching anime if they didn't like it and similar things. Elitism exists for moe slice of life shows and even ecchi elitists exist, who think anything that doesn't have sexy content is pretentious garbage not worth watching. No matter how casual or stupid or mainstream a show is, there's some people who are elitist about it if you interact with them. Or people only call that behaviour 'elitism' when people do it for critically acclaimed shows (which is the best shorthand I can come up with to summarize the kind of shows that people usually list as being associated with 'elitism'). When they see people act that way about something like Naruto they just call it 'fanboying' or whatever, creating a double standard that makes fans of critically acclaimed shows always get the short end of the stick. I was talking from experience. Usually, when I see someone talking down on a show and degrading it for not being "intellectual" and I go to their profile, these are the shows that I will most likely see in their favorites. It's something that has happened numerable times. I said that the simple fact of liking these shows doesn't make you one of those people. It's just something a problem that exists in the communities of these shows. At least, that's my experience, I can't talk statistics or surveys. Nonetheless, I read everything you wrote and I thank you for taking the time. I see where you're coming from, but again, I didn't mean to offend anyone. You can like these shows it's completely fine. Still, there are some problematic people in these fandoms and I stumble upon them a lot. |
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| I never quite understood why this is actually a THING. where anything we enjoy is defined AT ALL by outside forces .. ya know? I never once in my life have judged people in association with an ANIME. how the heck do ppl group people together n say YUP LOVE IT SO MUCH HATE THE FANDOM? NO U DONT u hate people who don't think like you. Why do people complicate anime franchises ? Why is it always less enjoyable if someone else does something or says something you don't like? Why would someone surrender their power like that ? Enjoy it and love it, instead of whining about pointless topics. Cos SHYEAH newsflash. No one else thinks like you. Lol 😂 |
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EmanRB said: Probably the "anti-elitists". They aren't even a fandom, but are easily the most toxic part of the anime community. You know, the ones who always complain about "elitists" not respecting their taste, and yet they always call anyone who has shows like Serial Experiments Lain, Neon Genesis Evangelion or Legend of the Galactic Heroes in their favorites an elitist. Not to mention that stupid "elitist 3x3" meme, which has already been overused ad nauseam. Edit: Honestly, Alcoholicide's reply to DiscordMod's post expresses my opinion much better than I could in this message. Read it if you want to fully understand what I mean. I went to check your profile. You have every single one of the shows I mentioned in your favorites. Then I go check what you've said in the forums and this is the first thing I see. "Because only normies think that AOT is good cause they haven’t watched a good anime yet." Interesting. |
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| Mushoku Pedophile has one of the most dogshit superior kiddo fanbase. |
| 𝘀𝘁𝗶𝗹𝗹 𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗮 𝗮𝗰𝘁𝘂𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗴𝗼𝗼𝗱 𝗮𝗻𝗶𝗺𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘀𝗲 𝗱𝗮𝘆𝘀, 𝘂𝗻𝗳𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘂𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝘀𝗮𝗱𝗹𝘆 𝗶𝘁 𝗱𝗼𝗲𝘀𝗻'𝘁 𝗲𝘅𝗶𝘀𝘁 |
| Attack on Titan fandom is most toxic for sure |
| Reading @EmanRB and @Alcoholicide posts in this forum has vindicated the years I've trudged through this hellhole, knowing people are still fighting the good fight against vindictive "elitism" misuse. As for fandoms I've had the wackest encounters with certain people from, Re:Zero, FranXX, Goblin Slayer, Hand Shakers (amazingly, it has fans), RWBY (not anime IK), and now, Kimetsu no Yaiba (but last one's that's partially my fault for actively picking fights). |
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| Most toxic? Idk but AOT and FMAB seem to have the most trolls in their fandom. I don't count blind worshipping as being toxic btw. |
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| Then one I encountered the most and had serval bad experiences with would be the anti-shippers/Gay police I mostly watch anime with only females and I want Yuri vibes. I also love my lesbian ships,,,YEEEEEEEEEEEEES Some people have huge problems with this and sometimes get extremely hostile. Especially if you dare to interpret a character as a homosexual I had people screaming at me saying they hate me. Wish me dead. And has threatened to assault me with intent to inflict bodily harm =P Those people are the worst in my book. but they can hate how much they want. I will never stop doing what I love because they can't handle that  |
Yuri-CrusaderFeb 23, 2022 4:59 AM
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| This thread again...? AoT, FMBA etc. |
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| I guess it isn't particularly fandom, but when people talk about Demon Slayer it is usually something very toxic |
| idk, probably the attack on titan fandom |
DiscordMod said: Alcoholicide said: That isn't really true in my experience, just a narrative that's been pushed. I've been looked down upon because of liking LOGH etc... way more than I have been looked down upon by people who have those shows as their favorites. I've also seen people be elitist about shows like SAO before, telling people that they should quit watching anime if they didn't like it and similar things. Elitism exists for moe slice of life shows and even ecchi elitists exist, who think anything that doesn't have sexy content is pretentious garbage not worth watching. No matter how casual or stupid or mainstream a show is, there's some people who are elitist about it if you interact with them. Or people only call that behaviour 'elitism' when people do it for critically acclaimed shows (which is the best shorthand I can come up with to summarize the kind of shows that people usually list as being associated with 'elitism'). When they see people act that way about something like Naruto they just call it 'fanboying' or whatever, creating a double standard that makes fans of critically acclaimed shows always get the short end of the stick. I was talking from experience. Usually, when I see someone talking down on a show and degrading it for not being "intellectual" and I go to their profile, these are the shows that I will most likely see in their favorites. It's something that has happened numerable times. I said that the simple fact of liking these shows doesn't make you one of those people. It's just something a problem that exists in the communities of these shows. At least, that's my experience, I can't talk statistics or surveys. Nonetheless, I read everything you wrote and I thank you for taking the time. I see where you're coming from, but again, I didn't mean to offend anyone. You can like these shows it's completely fine. Still, there are some problematic people in these fandoms and I stumble upon them a lot. Thanks for reading my wall of text. I'll just add that yeah, if you only look up people who look down on shows for not being intellectual enough, you'll encounter people with those favorites. I don't doubt that. I'm just saying that's biased because you probably don't look up people's profiles when they look down on other people/anime for different reasons since the community isn't noticing other 'offenders' as easily for some reason. But they're everywhere. Take this recent thread which is a great example that just popped up: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1996678 About half the replies in there do nothing but shit and insult people who like critically acclaimed shows despite OP explicitly stating he isn't talking about people with elitist attitudes, just a certain kind of taste. Some even still insist that they're elitists despite specifically not having that attitude. That single thread has probably more people looking down on people in that way based on their taste than most people have encounters with 'intellect elitists' like you mentioned. But the narrative in the community has framed elitism in a way where it only applies to people looking down on anime for one specific reason, and goes unnoticed or at least unlabeled when any other kind of fandom does it. So I believe you're experiences, I just think they're a biased result of how 'elitism' has been defined in the community for the last 10 years or so. If you look up the favorites of all these people in that thread that are looking down on others because of their taste, I don't think there will be a pattern, because elitist thinking and looking down on others based on taste isn't linked to a specific taste despite there being this narrative that it is. That's all I was trying to say. P.S. the sad thing is that having 'only' ~50% of the community think and act like that (based on the limited data from that tread) is a huge win compared to years ago when it was literally 90%+. |
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Alcoholicide said: If you look up the favorites of all these people in that thread that are looking down on others because of their taste, I don't think there will be a pattern, because elitist thinking and looking down on others based on taste isn't linked to a specific taste despite there being this narrative that it is. That's all I was trying to say. Hmm, I think the difference between us lies on how we define the word "elitist". You say elitism is when someone talks down on someone else for liking a certain show, while I think elitism is when someone feels superior for liking "intellectual" shows and bashing people who like more mainstream stuff. I may be the one who is wrong on the definition here. But, that's what I had in mind when I said elitism. If we accept your definition, then that broadens things up a lot. And I 100% agree with you that this problem of bashing someone for what they like extends much further than the communities of the shows I've mentioned. I guess, I was very specific in my definition of the word and I only focused on a problem within those particular communities. |
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DiscordMod said: Alcoholicide said: If you look up the favorites of all these people in that thread that are looking down on others because of their taste, I don't think there will be a pattern, because elitist thinking and looking down on others based on taste isn't linked to a specific taste despite there being this narrative that it is. That's all I was trying to say. Hmm, I think the difference between us lies on how we define the word "elitist". You say elitism is when someone talks down on someone else for liking a certain show, while I think elitism is when someone feels superior for liking "intellectual" shows and bashing people who like more mainstream stuff. I may be the one who is wrong on the definition here. But, that's what I had in mind when I said elitism. If we accept your definition, then that broadens things up a lot. And I 100% agree with you that this problem of bashing someone for what they like extends much further than the communities of the shows I've mentioned. I guess, I was very specific in my definition of the word and I only focused on a problem within those particular communities. I'm shedding a tear of wholesomeness right now cause I'm not used to people being so nice and understanding about it. I appreciate it. Now let's hold hands and run through a field of sun flowers towards the horizon and a better tomorrow to give this arc a proper ending :>. |
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| [quote=Alcoholicide message=65780636] DiscordMod said: I'm shedding a tear of wholesomeness right now cause I'm not used to people being so nice and understanding about it. I appreciate it. Now let's hold hands and run through a field of sun flowers towards the horizon and a better tomorrow to give this arc a proper ending :>. Yeah, this doesn't happen often to me, too. Usually, when people disagree with something I say they can get pretty rude loll. So, I thank you for being very polite when talking to me and expressing your thoughts in a very civilised and organised way. You gave me a lot of food for thought, so your big wall of text didn't go to waste lol. It seems this arc is concluding on a positive note, as you said 😄 |
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| From experience Attack on Titan, Hunter X Hunter, Fullmetal Alchemist, and mainly other battle shonen. |
NoBoDY-5 said: Is this proving their point, or is it acting like a snk fan would to prove their point? Or perhaps it might be acting like they think a snk fan would pretending to prove their point except ironically, which actually proves their point unironically. I'm just kidding btw.AtTaCk oN tItAn fAnDoM iS tHe mOsT tOxIc fAnDoM. Tbh I never really had any issues with snk fans, the most toxic run-ins I had were with anime karens, the weaboomers. They're not tied to any specific anime, but whatever they like is usually pre-2010, and they hate new stuff. Especially popular stuff. |
| I'd say whatever fandom the people who keep making those "which fandom is the most toxic" belongs to. There's gotta be some degree of coping and projection for this to be such a constant topic that have always the same answers from the same kind of people. It's kinda funny how it's always X saying that Y is the most toxic, and then a few replies later it's Y saying X is the most toxic. |
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