TRC_Randy said: pretty much any interaction with anyone not named kenzo tenma has him exerting supernatural influence over the other person. it's incredibly jarring for what is supposed to be a realistic showYeah based on the anime i've seen i'd say he is. Aure0lin said: why?honestly the more i think about him the dumber he is to me. Faozan_ said: well i've also seen HxH 2011 and no, he's no better than Johan.Meruem isn't a villain, Johan is, OP asked for the best antagonist not the best villain, Meruem in my opinion is the best antagonist I have seen so far As for you why do you think so? |
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| I think Johan is very well written and has a very interesting back story but no I don't find him the best the greatest. I really don't have a favorite villain I mean Jojo villains are memorable like Dio and Kira but mainly because of the memes. The only villain/antagonist that I really enjoyed was the villain in Psycho-Pass season 1 Shogo Makishima. Frieza is iconic too and caused arguably the greatest arc in anime. |
| Griffith is loads better. Illya's titties |
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Faozan_ said: ??? I am 100% sure even if I did watch Monster Johan wouldn't dethrone Meruem Wait a second you haven't watched Monster yet you say Meruem is still better that is ignorance at its finest. Why don't you watch it before saying something like this what if someone said I haven't watched HxH but I know Johan is a better villain/antagonist compared to Meruem. FYI I watched both Johan is leagues better than Meruem in every way. |
CyborgSaber said: Well said...😂 I didn't say anything to him as I am not familiar with Meruem but his comment sure does make me laugh.Faozan_ said: ??? I am 100% sure even if I did watch Monster Johan wouldn't dethrone Meruem Wait a second you haven't watched Monster yet you say Meruem is still better that is ignorance at its finest. Why don't you watch it before saying something like this what if someone said I haven't watched HxH but I know Johan is a better villain/antagonist compared to Meruem. FYI I watched both Johan is leagues better than Meruem in every way. |
| One of the best for sure. 1- Askeladd 2- Griffith 3- Johan I think Johan does a better job at being a villain but the other 2 are more entertaining. |
ZXEAN said: CyborgSaber said: Well said...😂 I didn't say anything to him as I am not familiar with Meruem but his comment sure does make me laugh.Wait a second you haven't watched Monster yet you say Meruem is still better that is ignorance at its finest. Why don't you watch it before saying something like this what if someone said I haven't watched HxH but I know Johan is a better villain/antagonist compared to Meruem. FYI I watched both Johan is leagues better than Meruem in every way. Yeah I don't get why he even posted anything if he never watched/read Monster in the first place that's just being ignorant. |
| No hes kind of bland and a bad allegory for "psychopathy." |
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CyborgSaber said: just looking at the way people describe Johan is enough to know what type of antagonist he is and I know that type of antagonist won't be better than Meruem, also why do you sound so triggered lol idc if someone thinks Johan is better than meruem without watching HxH/after watching hxh, to each their own but I can already tell the type of antagonist Johan is and he has 0% chance of being better than MeruemFaozan_ said: ??? I am 100% sure even if I did watch Monster Johan wouldn't dethrone Meruem Wait a second you haven't watched Monster yet you say Meruem is still better that is ignorance at its finest. Why don't you watch it before saying something like this what if someone said I haven't watched HxH but I know Johan is a better villain/antagonist compared to Meruem. FYI I watched both Johan is leagues better than Meruem in every way. |
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petran79 said: Exactly. Monster would have been a perfect 10 if it was half the length. Everything that happened in the latter half of the series is completely unnecessary.The problem might be that he wrote Monster and 20th at the same time . Which would explain the lost momentum later on both series . Also extending the plots , it's clear to me that These same series had their plot extended for the sake of popularity , the lost momentum was a consequence . -20th had 3 time skips , unnecessary . -Monster kept introducing new plot driven and disposable characters to extend each story arc They could have shown Tenma's slow descent into madness as he followed Johan in a cat and mouse game he could not win, and perhaps that could have justified the psychological terror that Johan represented from Tenma's perspective. Or they could have had Johan build clout and power and attempt to ignite an actual revolution to back up the terror that he represented. But Monster did neither. Instead, it built Johan up too much abstractly that it could ever have a follow up that made sense. In a sense, Monster made the same mistake as Tokyo Revenger's bid to make Kisaki so terrifying that none of the other characters' actions made sense. As much as Monster connected with me, every time I looked back on it, I came to the conclusion that it was a bit overrated. The author couldn't decide which story he wanted to tell so it felt like he was grasping at straws. Johan was all of these things until he was none of them. I think they should have brought in someone like Satoshi Kon to finish the second half and make it a psychological thriller from Tenma's perspective and it would have been perfect. |
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hazarddex said: Actually i think that as well now. Even though i found him thrilling once lol.No hes kind of bland and a bad allegory for "psychopathy." |
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Faozan_ said: CyborgSaber said: just looking at the way people describe Johan is enough to know what type of antagonist he is and I know that type of antagonist won't be better than Meruem, also why do you sound so triggered lol idc if someone thinks Johan is better than meruem without watching HxH/after watching hxh, to each their own but I can already tell the type of antagonist Johan is and he has 0% chance of being better than MeruemWait a second you haven't watched Monster yet you say Meruem is still better that is ignorance at its finest. Why don't you watch it before saying something like this what if someone said I haven't watched HxH but I know Johan is a better villain/antagonist compared to Meruem. FYI I watched both Johan is leagues better than Meruem in every way. That's ignorant why even post here that's what I'm saying you don't have knowledge of the character. You didn't watch Monster and didn't see Johan in action why even say Meruem is better. If you go into that mentality that no one will be better than Mereum you will never enjoy anything. And you can't judge a character without seeing how they talk, act, mentality etc. There is a lot more to a character than what others say especially a character like Johan. I thought that Meruem would be crap from what others said about him I ended up liking him but he wasn't fantastic because he reminds me too much of Cell from BDZ. All I'm saying is you should not post saying something is better without watching the other because that's being dumb. I am not triggered at all there was just no point to you posting because you don't know really anything about Johan. I thought Johan would be overrated but he is extremely interesting like did you know Johan . |
| I won't blame anyone for thinking this. Because he's amazing he's great but not personally my #1 though |
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| Honestly Johan is kinda exaggerated as the reason to watch Monster there are other antagonists that I like more. He isn't bad he does his job in being the intimidating antagonist for Tenma. That said he pretty much is just a plot device. Still how Monster uses that plot device is excellent. All the stories and characters we meet because of Johan's actions are the actual appeal of Monster and why I gave it a 9. |
| from the animes i watched so far, yes, johan liebert is the greates antagonist of all time |
| Johan had almost 0 presence throughout the show. Some call it 'well written' but in reality it is the opposite. Johan was talked about by well written characters while being poorly written himself |
| Am I a good person? No. But do I try to be better every single day? Also no |
| Nah, that's got to be Light (due to the impact of Death Note) or Griffith (I don't need to explain why) |
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ZXEAN said: Erebus_Akeldama said: Ok, By the way have you watch Monster !?Nah, that's got to be Light (due to the impact of Death Note) or Griffith (I don't need to explain why) Not yet, but I've seen way to many videos about Johan. Not saying he's bad or anything, from what I know, he's a top tier villain, but I'm just stating that characters like Griffith are untouched. |
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Erebus_Akeldama said: You should watch this videoZXEAN said: Ok, By the way have you watch Monster !? Not yet, but I've seen way to many videos about Johan. Not saying he's bad or anything, from what I know, he's a top tier villain, but I'm just stating that characters like Griffith are untouched. https://youtu.be/XS084czZY4w It's done by one of the hard core Berserk fan, The Masked Man. Although it contains spoilers btw. |
ZXEAN said: Erebus_Akeldama said: You should watch this videoNot yet, but I've seen way to many videos about Johan. Not saying he's bad or anything, from what I know, he's a top tier villain, but I'm just stating that characters like Griffith are untouched. https://youtu.be/XS084czZY4w It's done by one of the hard core Berserk fan, The Masked Man. Although it contains spoilers btw. Ah ok thanks. I'm definitely going to check out monster in the future, but first I need to finish Gintama and one piece x) |
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Erebus_Akeldama said: Ok, Best of luck on your One Piece Journey.ZXEAN said: You should watch this video https://youtu.be/XS084czZY4w It's done by one of the hard core Berserk fan, The Masked Man. Although it contains spoilers btw. Ah ok thanks. I'm definitely going to check out monster in the future, but first I need to finish Gintama and one piece x) |
| Well, he is insanely good. One of the best for sure. I'm not too sure about him being the best, can't think of anyone better than him though |
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| i haven't waatch monster or read it enough for reaching th epoint where johan is introduced, but people were saying he's similar to makishima shougo if so than my expectations are high |
| Yes! My other favorites are Meruem, Chrollo, Bondrewd, Kaiki, Nadeko, Gilgamesh and Kirei |
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| He's a great character but not the greatest and I loved Monster. |
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| He is a good antagonist but definitely not the greatest of all time. |
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| well the fact that many people still don't properly understand johan so i can understand why some people are calling him lame or one dimensional yes he is best antagonist alongside with griffith i personally count askledd more as a protagonist rather than anatgonist |
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| "People don't understand Johan" ok liberals. Johan just ain't cut it for many people, including myself. |
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| That's a pretty heavy statement. |
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| He´s not even the most interesting antagonist in Urasawa´s unvierse when Friend exists. |
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| Rokuro Makube is the greatest antagonist. If only Vampire hadn't been cancelled in the midst of part 2, leaving us with an eternal cliffhanger. |
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I mean Doflamingo and Katakuri from One Piece easily take the place of best antagonist of all time.  I have seen Monster, and I do think Johan's a great antagonist, but Monsters atrocious pacing issues gave him a lot less screen time/development time. |
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