Is the statement in title True or False?
| I found some people saying that old animes are far better than now and saying that the industry is dying and anime is a mistake , but on the other hand people also praising 2021 anime year so much and nominating it as one of best anime year , so which answer is right? |
TierraRobadaMay 14, 2021 4:19 AM
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| The anime industry is not dying. It's thriving. I'm not a fan of new releases, but saying the industry is dying because I don't like them is foolish and dumb. |
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| Is it that common? Or is it just something people say is really common to justify continuing to fight windmills? And even then, people who claim that this is a prominent discourse still are rare compared to a few years ago. It's been a while since, y'know, 2016. Really, meeting other people willing to go back to older anime in of itself has been a rarity over the past 6 years I've been here, let alone people who try to justify their preference for older anime by constantly putting down new stuff. Seasonal fans are the norm, by a longshot. If anybody can find me like, 5 instances where people acted like the OP is describing on these forums this year, I'll back down. Until then, it's just perpetuating a stupid myth. It's a boogeyman. Nothing more, nothing less. |
ManabanMay 14, 2021 3:00 AM
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| The amount of garbage anime has increased but that's because digital production has allowed anime to be made faster. I've noticed that the amount of good anime (according to my subjective opinion) that comes out each year has remained pretty much the same. |
| MEA·MENTVLA·INGENS·EST |
| The only reason people believe that is because they only watch the good old anime and either ignore or don't even know about the shitty ones. |
| A false myth. There has always been garbage, even in the past. People tend to have the perception that there was more good stuff back in the days because the technology was limited. Today with the internet you can literally watch anything you want, so it's easier to find horrible shows. In conclusion, no the industry isn't dying. I actually think today is actually growing a lot (but that can be said about pop culture in general) |
Theo1899 said: The amount of garbage anime has increased but that's because digital production has allowed anime to be made faster. I've noticed that the amount of good anime (according to my subjective opinion) that comes out each year has remained pretty much the same. I was literally about to write the same thing. I feel like this medium has become a bit more commercialised. For example, in order to get more viewers, are becoming more concise and brief compared to the older shows, which used to take their own sweet time exploring certain concepts and ideas. This, in my opinion, is one of the noticeable stylistic changes which may bother a few people, but be embraced by others. I just feel that anime, as a medium, has evolved. Some feel alienated by the newer stuff coming out and cling to the older ones, some dismiss the older ones in favour of the new ones and there are some who just enjoy both. That's it. |
| Dunno about the former question, but the latter question is worth thinking Economically speaking, it is true for 2010s anime industry has been worse than the past. But since the success of Demon Slayer, the anime industry is about go up again by using the successful anime adaptations of shounen genre and launching online manga services. |
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| Myth, but if that aesthetic gels with you way more, then you're probably much more likely to dig this era of anime (I do quite like it myself). Will say though that we are reaching another critical point of oversaturation and overwork in the industry. Exploitation of labor is worse than ever, and there may be another bubble on the horizon, as I don't ultimately see how the current production model will remain sustainable. I remember seeing something like half of all anime ever made has been in the last nine years alone... which is crazy to consider. |
| Imagine something like Yuru Camp made in the 80s, it would be fucking awful. Case closed. |
| No, not really. I feel like anime is finally picking up the pace of pushing out good shows after another. Maybe I myself have trash taste but who really knows for sure. It's not like 80s or 90s did not have any good shows. They had stuff like Dragon Ball, Ashita no Joe, Saint Seiya, Berserk and such classics. Of course the thing is that Japan pushes out a lot of anime per season which makes it seem like it is only trash out there since they do in fact produce trash. They do indeed produce good shows alongside with trash. Like this season has good stuff like Megalo Box, To Your Eternity, Tokyo Revengers and such, but at the same time we got stuff like Mars Red. |
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| honestly a lot of the people that I see claiming “old anime is better” don’t even really watch anime, most of the time its just dudes that are prejudice towards modern anime without even checking it out for themselves |
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| There's a lot of garbage now adays but old anime is even worse, a bad but watchable anime from before 2000 is a good find. |
| I see, the OP is one of those eDgY KiDs who like to gEnErAlIsE in the dumbest way possible than put those words in mouths of their opponents. How very cOnViNcInG. As a side note: [Chart] We are producing less anime than before - https://www.reddit.com/r/anime/comments/nat5lr/chart_we_are_producing_less_anime_than_before/ Which kind of connects with the idea that the last anime golden era was around 2006-2015. |
alshuMay 14, 2021 4:03 AM
| MUh, OlD AnImE iS BeTtEr -They just hate new anime. -Boomers. -Gundam ZZ was overhated when it was released for being "bad" and its still an old anime. Its funny cuz they never mention "bad" old anime when u ask them. |
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| People in the 90s were also saying that anime was dying and that 70s anime was better. |
| その目だれの目？ |
| Idk, even if bad, old anime have several advantages over modern anime: -they were less cringy, there was less self insert power fantasy, which comes from the fact that anime then was mainly manga adaptations, and manga will always be a more respectable medium than light novel which is trashy by definition. An interesting exception is that back then studios were clever enough to adapt classical novels, like Little Women, Tom Sawyer, etc. -opening and endings themes were generally better: even if it was a fad, most themes had compositions with a real band and jazzy tunes, but today half the themes are soulless J-pop, makes you disconnect from the anime even before getting to the actual content -the lolicon/harem/ecchi/moe/fanservice was much less in your face, so old anime are much more palatable in that respect -I also feel old anime were more porous to world culture, they had more diverse topics, about traveling or foreign countries, while recent anime seem more focused on rehashing the ideological J-grid in various settings. |
EratiKMay 14, 2021 7:10 AM
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Manaban said: Is it that common? Or is it just something people say is really common to justify continuing to fight windmills? And even then, people who claim that this is a prominent discourse still are rare compared to a few years ago. It's been a while since, y'know, 2016. Really, meeting other people willing to go back to older anime in of itself has been a rarity over the past 6 years I've been here, let alone people who try to justify their preference for older anime by constantly putting down new stuff. Seasonal fans are the norm, by a longshot. If anybody can find me like, 5 instances where people acted like the OP is describing on these forums this year, I'll back down. Until then, it's just perpetuating a stupid myth. It's a boogeyman. Nothing more, nothing less. Hey, I count for something! I like to shit on modern anime, mostly for the meme and because after 6 years here I get a bit tired of the incredible double standards and lack of knowledge of a fair portion of the community, who cries a river when someone dares to say he prefers old anime because X or Y, but have no shame spouting absolutely stupid crap about anime objectively being better nowadays because technology blabla. This is an incredibly ignorant but very prevalent argument in the community that can be debunked extremely easily: 1/are webtoons objectively better than a renaissance painting because of all that technology? 2/is Ex-Arm objectively better than every older anime because of all that technology? If people were more knowledgeable and interested in actual discussion they'd stop with the useless "old/new" anime distinction and would instead lump them in groups that make sense. There's more in common between a Go Nagai 60s manga or a 90s Gainax anime and an Imaishi 2010s show than between same Imaishi's and another random 2010s anime. Also is it funny that I just finished watching Visions of Escaflowne too, which is a 90s generic JRPG-inspired isekai? edit: Also as the user above pointed out, 80s-90s city pop >>>>>>> 2010s jpop |
DeathkoMay 14, 2021 7:28 AM
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| I don’t really fall into either camp. Most 80s anime wasn’t great and 2021 has not been great either. For me, the best stuff is late 2000s and early 2010”s but there is good stuff both before and after that |
Nurguburu said: MUh, OlD AnImE iS BeTtEr -They just hate new anime. -Boomers. -Gundam ZZ was overhated when it was released for being "bad" and its still an old anime. Its funny cuz they never mention "bad" old anime when u ask them. But, old anime is better than new anime. |
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| What @Crow_Black pointed out is kinda true too. If you're a mecha fan, if you're a space opera/hard sci fi fan, if you're a mahou shoujo fan, anime is dying for you. Yes there's more shows to pick from, but is there more diversity? Debatable. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
| the quality of the shows aren't the best, but they improved quite a lot & by that i mean a very mediocre show nowadays will get a score of 7, not the usual 5 it used to get, because you can feel the hard work put into it. the quantity is bit prevalent more than "the good 'ol quality" so the answer is ehhhhh? does it really matter? if you enjoy the trash ya like no one gonna judge ya 4 it. toxicity died for long time now, hope ya have fun :D. |
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| It's neither fact nor myth; it's an opinion. |
| Anime is bigger than ever, and we have statistics to prove that. But I do prefer the older shit rn because I'm trying to get the exposure I never got as a kid/teen. |
| It's just animes nowadays aren't as creative And creatives ones aren't the popular ones But the industry can't possibly be dying |
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| Nowadays Anime are actually way more interesting and fun to watch but creativity has certainly gone down Old Anime wins in creativity and feeling, Modern Anime wins in enjoyment |
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Ghemotoc said: What @Crow_Black pointed out is kinda true too. If you're a mecha fan, if you're a space opera/hard sci fi fan, if you're a mahou shoujo fan, anime is dying for you. Yes there's more shows to pick from, but is there more diversity? Debatable. I was gonna add "a traditional mystery fan", but then I realized we never had that to begin with. The mystery tag is used pretty often, but it's such a difficult task to find one that :
This is super weird since Japanese literature is rife with murder mysteries iirc. Although there's prob not much overlap with J-lit readers and anime watchers. |
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| There are great anime in all time periods. But what will never return is the 80s/90s artstyles, cell animation, and longer more fleshed out series. Enjoy the classics for what they are. |
| Bleach is best consumed with your ears open and your eyes closed. |
| Well, most of the people who say that anime has become worse have watched like 20 anime from the pre-2000 era and 200 from the post-2000 era. Naturally, they've been exposed to more shit from the larger sample size. When you go and watch old anime, you don't watch the random lazily-produced, generic, trend copying seasonal shit. You watch the classics that have stood the test of time and have been picked out by the community over decades. Regardless though, this is only one way to look at it. You can argue about the quality of the peak anime from then vs. the peak anime from now, or like, the amount that was made, but that's pretty subjective and doesn't speak much about the economic situation of the industry in present day. If you really wanna go there, you can look up shit like the Anime Industry Report (You can find it on Google), and in most cases it'll tell you that the industry is growing. |
| the bullshit always existed, exists and will exist |
| Anime hasn't significantly changed in quality over the years. There's more anime per year than there ever was in the current moment, but there's also a lot more of the past than there is of the present, so depending on how you look at it you can come to different equally incorrect conclusions from the same set of data. Realistically, though, anime was no better or worse in the past than it is in the present, however it is different so depending on your taste you might prefer old anime or vice versa. |
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SunBro26 said: Well, most of the people who say that anime has become worse have watched like 20 anime from the pre-2000 era and 200 from the post-2000 era. Naturally, they've been exposed to more shit from the larger sample size. When you go and watch old anime, you don't watch the random lazily-produced, generic, trend copying seasonal shit. You watch the classics that have stood the test of time and have been picked out by the community over decades. Regardless though, this is only one way to look at it. You can argue about the quality of the peak anime from then vs. the peak anime from now, or like, the amount that was made, but that's pretty subjective and doesn't speak much about the economic situation of the industry in present day. If you really wanna go there, you can look up shit like the Anime Industry Report (You can find it on Google), and in most cases it'll tell you that the industry is growing. This would be a solid argument if most old anime watchers weren't avid consumers of random trash OVAs. I would NEVER touch a random seasonal, but I pick up random 80s turds all the time. I know people who do stuff like pick one anime/year since the 60s and watch them all, more or less randomly, for example. The general assumption amongst people who don't watch old anime, is that there's only 10-15 "classics" worth watching and talking about. Duh. If that was the case people would run out of stuff to watch in 6 monthes, yet you see fans of old anime staying here for years. Quite obviously people who are into old anime watch and discuss much more than the classics. Just not in public since 90% of MALers only care about the latest seasonal hyped on twitter. |
DeathkoMay 14, 2021 9:32 AM
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Ghemotoc said: Well I can't really argue with this because from my own experience, the wide majority of people who throw around that "Old anime betta" point have rarely dipped their toes in low budget OVAs or like... the obscure ass 50 ep long series from random 80s-90s seasons with 800 members on MAL that you can only acquire in Laserdisc rips from God knows somewhere on AbimeBytes.SunBro26 said: Well, most of the people who say that anime has become worse have watched like 20 anime from the pre-2000 era and 200 from the post-2000 era. Naturally, they've been exposed to more shit from the larger sample size. When you go and watch old anime, you don't watch the random lazily-produced, generic, trend copying seasonal shit. You watch the classics that have stood the test of time and have been picked out by the community over decades. Regardless though, this is only one way to look at it. You can argue about the quality of the peak anime from then vs. the peak anime from now, or like, the amount that was made, but that's pretty subjective and doesn't speak much about the economic situation of the industry in present day. If you really wanna go there, you can look up shit like the Anime Industry Report (You can find it on Google), and in most cases it'll tell you that the industry is growing. This would be a solid argument if most old anime watchers weren't avid consumers of random trash OVAs. I would NEVER touch a random seasonal, but I pick up random 80s turds all the time. I know people who do stuff like pick one anime/year since the 60s and watch them all, more or less randomly, for example. However, that doesn't mean I haven't met people who've watched their fair share and still live by that opinion. I can actually take their preference seriously though, because there IS a clear difference in trends and aesthetics between the anime of now and the anime of then, and if you HAVE watched a good chunk of shit from all eras and find that a particular era's trends suit you better, then cool; That's preference. Either way though, whatever experiences we've had with retrofans are anecdotal so I can't argue whether or not "most" have experience or not. I already stated my own experience. |
| "Old anime is better than new anime. New anime are sucks" my ass. |
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| Just a question of preference, though some genres are legitimitely on life support right now. |
| Just 2 things: 1. I do consider older anime (pre-2010) to be better than more recent modern anime. I've pretty much already watched/tried all the allegedly "great/amazing", highly-regarded and/or popular anime of the 2010s and I could give a 9 or 10 to only 1 of them. Just... one. 2. But no, the anime industry is definitely not dying. In a financial way, of course. As long as it is profitable it can't be said that it is "dying". |
Nirinbo said: Imagine something like Yuru Camp made in the 80s, it would be fucking awful. Case closed. Why? What led you to that conclusion? |
| It just depends on what you like, There's no "myth or fact" about it, If you hate everything that's coming out then you like older anime, If you hate old anime and like everything that's coming out, You like new anime, It's as simple as that. |
| I don't speak English that much, so please cut me some slack |
| I think it has something to do with the time you got into anime. Like for example I don't like the new shows coming out this year or the year before but I also don't like really old shows from before. However, I really like shows from 2010-2015 and thats because I got into anime around that time. |
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GreenPlatinum said: Nirinbo said: Imagine something like Yuru Camp made in the 80s, it would be fucking awful. Case closed. Why? What led you to that conclusion? The strongest point of Yuru Camp is the delightful experience provided by visuals and sound design, a flawless execution that a 50+ episodes tv anime from the 80s could never achieve. Old anime can offer other things that newer ones usually don't. I'm talking about a higher liberty in the writing, in terms of plot and characters, since modern tropes and clichés still had to be established. But then, some people say that not only the writing of newer anime is worse, but that they also look worse, despite the technological innovations. It may be true sometimes, but it definitely isn't the rule. |
| False. Because only mainly the good shows only from the 80s and 90s are remembered |
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