Would you put your brain in a cyborg body?

May 13, 2021 12:22 PM

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I often say I would pretty emphatically, as a joke, sort of, whenever this kind of thing comes up in conversation, but I've realized recently that it's really something that I would do in a heartbeat.

I have had an interest in body horror for most of my adult life, as well as a general attraction to fetishes that emphasize the more icky facts and functions of anatomy (within limits.. poop grosses me out too much). At times I suffer from bouts of extreme health anxiety/hypochondria, but also actual chronic diseases. It is truly disturbing to me when I consider the transformations and degenerative diseases that can befall a person's body without much rhyme or reason, and the fact that it's almost inevitable that something like this is likely to happen eventually, even if it's just the natural process of aging destroying your body. To me, there is a gross, irreconcilable disjunction between a person's internal, conscious phenomenology and the fact of their physical body, not to mention how much sovereignty the body actually has over the function of the mind. Sometimes I look in the mirror and I get an eerie, overwhelming, even sickened feeling that what I'm looking at couldn't possibly be me, not because I feel like I was born in the "wrong" body or because I'm particularly displeased with my individual appearance, but because the very idea of being contained in a human body, with all of its grotesque and fatal properties, is somehow unsettling or even unthinkable to me.

so basically yeah put me in the goddamn metallic body asap.

May 13, 2021 12:38 PM

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As long as it looked attractive in the feminine sense.
Like EDI from the Mass Effect series.

May 13, 2021 12:41 PM

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As long as I can shut myself off if I get tired of life.

May 13, 2021 12:43 PM

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You mean like this?

No. Just like I said in my profile - I am as God made me. I wouldn't want to be anything or anyone else.

I've got my tattoos and ear piercings. I'm done with body modifications.

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May 13, 2021 12:47 PM

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No, I read Battle Angel Gally and I don't wanna hear about robots and cyborgs doing stuff. I'm ok for prostetics and such but not over the top.

May 13, 2021 12:54 PM

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Absolutely. It's basically an inevitability to me, I welcome it with open arms.
As humanity breaks free of this freaking jail of a planet, it's only a matter of time until it simply makes more sense to build the required bodies.

I can't think of a single reason to stick with what we've got, forever.
Granted, there are ample moral concerns. But those, quite frankly, don't even phase me.

May 13, 2021 1:13 PM

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I am not able to insert mechanical parts into my body, unless for a moment my life and health could be in danger.

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May 13, 2021 1:30 PM

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SemillaMinoria said:
You mean like this?

No. Just like I said in my profile - I am as God made me. I wouldn't want to be anything or anyone else.

I've got my tattoos and ear piercings. I'm done with body modifications.

I personally don't believe in God, or at least not a God with any kind of concerted will regarding/imposed on humanity, but it certainly makes the topic interesting.

Do you not think there's any amount of physical debilitation that can make you feel otherwise?

A certain Christian existentialist philosopher believes that faith is the only cure for despair, with despair being the byproduct of wishing to either be yourself (which you cannot, because the self is an ongoing synthesis set in motion by God, not a final, permanent, acquirable status) or not be yourself (which, obviously, you cannot). It's the inability to die despite your suffering, or from your suffering. He also believes that despair is something most or even all people experience.

A sensible place to take the discussion is Job, who was saved by his faith in the face of extreme, deliberate torture, wrought by God; but then there's Christ, who suffered so much that even he (Christ is God himself, astonishingly) lost his faith that God would save him. Pretty crazy if you think about it. That's how hard life can be sometimes.

I guess what I'm getting at is, while you may feel that way now, there's really no telling what challenges life could bring that might change a person's mind about a blanket expression like that. Sometimes it's easy to say something so confidently until you face a challenge you could've never prepared for. Can we expect the average person to be stronger than Christ? Though obviously, I really know nothing about you or what sort of corporeal issues you have to deal with, so I'm not trying to be judgmental either way. I do find faith admirable even if I don't have much of that type of faith myself, but even without faith I tend to have hope that things can get better in most situations. I simply don't see any reason not to eliminate as many chances for things to go horribly wrong as possible if one has the means, which is what a cyberized body represents to me.

On the other hand I think something like the privatization of cyber prosthetic technology would be catastrophic for humanity, as well as forcing people to pay for endless upgrades for people to become more "efficient," better workers, etc, which would further stratify people into separate castes based on what they could afford to have done to them. But that's all problems with the nature of our society that merely exposed by technology rather than caused by it, imo, and it's actually already true. Not everyone can afford certain professional grade software, or even smart phones, tablets or computers, which actually immensely affect the type of work you can do. Did God make us to look at screens more than half of the day every day, and to demolish the environment he created in order to shape the world and its resources according to our own will?

Sorry to dump all this in response to you lol, kinda just thinking out loud.

May 13, 2021 1:33 PM

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I was raised in Christianity I didn't convert out of despair. My therapist says that my religion is in every cell in my body. I couldn't let go of it even if I wanted to.

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May 13, 2021 1:36 PM

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as long as all our senses are still integrated then yeah, i dont see a problem.

currently many elderly people are pretty much cyborgs already, with hip replacements, knee replacements, pacemakers, etc that all involve putting metallic parts into the body.

that said we're still probably at least a century away from implanting a brain to a metallic body. we still lack full understanding of the brain and its neurological network.

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May 13, 2021 1:36 PM

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Interesting.. maybe I would? It would be a unique experience for sure

May 13, 2021 1:41 PM

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We as humans find fault in things we and others do, our bodies being one. Body insecurities are entirely normal and the way to treat that is by self-love rather than superficial plastic surgeries.

But I said yes because I have a few chronic conditions. The appearance of my body is the least of my worries when I have these illnesses to worry about and try to manage as a main priority.

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Tachii said:
as long as all our senses are still integrated then yeah, i dont see a problem.

currently many elderly people are pretty much cyborgs already, with hip replacements, knee replacements, pacemakers, etc that all involve putting metallic parts into the body.

that said we're still probably at least a century away from implanting a brain to a metallic body. we still lack full understanding of the brain and its neurological network.

I dunno man, did you see the macaque playing Pong with his brain? lol That's still potentially a long way from a full cyber body, but I don't think we're all that far from direct brain/machine interface.

Bunille said:
We as humans find fault in things we and others do, our bodies being one. Body insecurities are entirely normal and the way to treat that is by self-love rather than superficial plastic surgeries.

But I said yes because I have a few chronic conditions. The appearance of my body is the least of my worries when I have these illnesses to worry about and try to manage as a main priority.

I feel the same way. I don't think I'm the most attractive guy out there, but it's never been a huge concern for me; much more concerned about managing my health and long term physical stability. I also don't even really mind the idea of dying so much as like, suffering in a hospital bed or something knowing that I can't live a full life, but that I can't just die right then and there and avoid suffering. Not to be a downer lol. I think many people with chronic conditions, can relate to the idea of wanting some kind of respite from their body.

May 13, 2021 2:09 PM

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No thanks. I prefer having my brain inside a human

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SemillaMinoria said:
I was raised in Christianity I didn't convert out of despair. My therapist says that my religion is in every cell in my body. I couldn't let go of it even if I wanted to.

I was more suggesting that a certain level of corporeal suffering can lead one to question one's faith, since even God himself, in human form, was driven to that point. But point taken.

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No thanks. I prefer having my brain inside a human

Maybe your brain has all the properties that make you a human

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ohohohohohoho said:

SemillaMinoria said:
I was raised in Christianity I didn't convert out of despair. My therapist says that my religion is in every cell in my body. I couldn't let go of it even if I wanted to.

I was more suggesting that a certain level of corporeal suffering can lead one to question one's faith, since even God himself, in human form, was driven to that point. But point taken.

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No thanks. I prefer having my brain inside a human

Maybe your brain has all the properties that make you a human

You can't take that one verse out of context. His coming was prophesied. His whole life on Earth he was speaking on what was to come. He even saved one of the two criminals that were on the cross alongside him. His mission was to be the ultimate sacrifice for mankind to have a hope at coming face to face with God the father and entering heaven. Only the blood of Jesus can cover sin. God the father will not tolerate sin. He just won't touch it at all. Jesus is the only one who could be the proxy, according to the scriptures.

As for me, I questioned the faith because of the many unanswered questions, many contradictions, many versions and a lot of things left out and a lot of similarities with other religions that have come and gone throughout the ages. Suffering doesn't push me away from the faith. The first book of the Bible already tells us that we are cursed to suffer and die in the flesh as a result of sin anyway. But why do the animals have to die? What if Adam and Eve didn't give in to the temptation but someone else in their line did? So many questions.

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May 13, 2021 3:15 PM

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ohohohohohoho said:

Cool vid, I wonder how the monkey is controlling it specifically. Is it using optic synapses or some other specific neural network?

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I don't know biology but I believe we could live a lot longer this way. How long could we live if our brains were detached from our bodies? In a future where cyborg bodies are feasible I would think at least 150-200 years, maybe way more idk. All we would need is stuff that keeps the brain healthy and age slower. So it would actually be healthier if you think of as the brain as the "you".

So it's an easy "yes" for me. Closest thing we have to becoming God-like creatures.

May 13, 2021 3:24 PM

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No which is weird coming from me because cyberpunk is one of my favorite genres (blade runner is my favorite film and ghost in the shell is my favorite animated film) and I also have a fetish for androids and all things mechanical.
I think it's kinda creepy and also someone hacking your body or having to accept some license agreement that spies on you or your body having some government backdoor like that device they use on ghost in the shell to immobilize suspects are all scary prospects. Now if it's some open source privacy focused body because those things are no doubt going to exist then..... idk it's still kinda creepy. I wanna fuck the robot not become the robot.

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Tachii said:

Cool vid, I wonder how the monkey is controlling it specifically. Is it using optic synapses or some other specific neural network?

It sounds from the vid like first they monitor his motor activity related to how he moves the his hands to manipulate the joystick. Then they use the recorded brain activity to predict what he WOULD be doing with his hand when future brain activity is input, moving the in-game paddle in response to it. And the neuralink is synched up with the pong app in order to transfer his brain activity. I am also curious just what the data transfer rate is for brain activity. It all sounds so insane.

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SemillaMinoria said:

You can't take that one verse out of context. His coming was prophesied. His whole life on Earth he was speaking on what was to come. He even saved one of the two criminals that were on the cross alongside him. His mission was to be the ultimate sacrifice for mankind to have a hope at coming face to face with God the father and entering heaven. Only the blood of Jesus can cover sin. God the father will not tolerate sin. He just won't touch it at all. Jesus is the only one who could be the proxy, according to the scriptures.

As for me, I questioned the faith because of the many unanswered questions, many contradictions, many versions and a lot of things left out and a lot of similarities with other religions that have come and gone throughout the ages. Suffering doesn't push me away from the faith. The first book of the Bible already tells us that we are cursed to suffer and die in the flesh as a result of sin anyway. But why do the animals have to die? What if Adam and Eve didn't give in to the temptation but someone else in their line did? So many questions.

I don't mean to downplay the context. If anything it makes the utterance on the cross all the more powerful and meaningful, no? I think that it was meant to occur and he had insight into that fact, yet was shaken nevertheless, is an illustration of the great suffering of life which cannot be described, merely experienced. It demonstrates the idea of suffering in a way simply saying "life is suffering" simply does not explain. The suffering is so great that you will inevitably sin and question things. To me questioning your faith doesn't make you a bad Christian (though I guess that's a loaded term, and I'm no authority on the matter anyway). If anything questioning your faith, but retaining it nevertheless is a sign of strong faith.

There are indeed many interesting questions. I would recommend checking out Kierkegaard if you have never read him (that's the philosopher I mentioned earlier). Even as someone who isn't a Christian (though I was raised one as well) he is quite incredible to me and bridges the gap between questions about faith and later psychology.

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ohohohohohoho said:

Tachii said:

Cool vid, I wonder how the monkey is controlling it specifically. Is it using optic synapses or some other specific neural network?

yeah, sounds like it came out of a scifi story lol

im not a neurological expert by any means, but i know theres limitations yet in the field in determining how thoughts are translated from synapses into, like, actual concrete thoughts. like how does a series of electric potential translate into what we define as thoughts?

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The brain would still be aging, so it is not the best long-term solution. I would love to become biologically immortal, however. Biological bodies are a liability, especially when it comes to space exploration.

May 13, 2021 7:03 PM

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Hearing you go on about hating your human body was... interesting, OP. But sure, give me a robot body. Preferably one I can customize. Triple bonus points if I have a rocket punch ability.

May 13, 2021 7:06 PM

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only if I can sleep in that body, sleeping hella underrated

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Now that I think of it, not having your body sounds like the kind of thing that would give your brain a really bad nausea.

But I guess I'd still do it anyway, just for the experience.

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No.

If my brain could somehow be preserved perfectly, maybe, but even then it's risky business.

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May 13, 2021 7:52 PM

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yes, i would definitely do that if i could

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If it means I live longer but live happily then yeah

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no, even i need to for some reason, I'll just die :/

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It's not like your brain is immune to degeneration either. Your best bet would be to have your brain scanned and emulated in digital form. A computerized brain, in which you retain consciousness, in a robot body. How about that?

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Yes but only when I'm close to my imminent death and technology has not advanced enough to transplant my brain into a new organic body. Having a steel body is cool but not sure how I'd enjoy sex and any type of tactile stimulus

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Of course not, I like having the clear intuition that I am not a pilot in a ship.

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Oh yeah, I'd totally welcome a transhumanist future.

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sure but do it better like mind uploading (then later throw away my organic brain) to a nanomachines android body

im a fan of Transhumanism anyway

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BatoKusanagi said:
Oh yeah, I'd totally welcome a transhumanist future.

deg said:
sure but do it better like mind uploading (then later throw away my organic brain) to a nanomachines android body

im a fan of Transhumanism anyway

transhumanist gang gotta be postcapitalists as well right? >:0)

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ohohohohohoho said:

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Oh yeah, I'd totally welcome a transhumanist future.

transhumanist gang gotta be postcapitalists as well right? >:0)

Not sure, but I don't see why or how capitalism would continue forever.

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Of course I would.

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May 14, 2021 11:04 PM

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I think it'd be cool to be a cyborg, I'd be really strong, and also I could just shut myself off when I'm not feeling it. It sounds like an extremely interesting idea if I do say so myself.

May 14, 2021 11:07 PM

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Yes.
I will do this literally anyday if given the chance. The human body has too many limitations, a mechanical body doesn't.

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ohohohohohoho said:

BatoKusanagi said:
Oh yeah, I'd totally welcome a transhumanist future.

deg said:
sure but do it better like mind uploading (then later throw away my organic brain) to a nanomachines android body

im a fan of Transhumanism anyway

transhumanist gang gotta be postcapitalists as well right? >:0)

depends if the future is CyberPunk with megacorporations then its still capitalist but if its Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism then its post-capitalist

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Can the cyborg body wank?
If not then the answer is clear.

you'd have a lot more free time

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KaiserHamuel said:

ohohohohohoho said:

you'd have a lot more free time

If you can’t fuck and wank then what is the point of existence?

maybe you can throw your brain into wank mode without ever having to lift a finger. youre already fabricating all of your sensations anyway

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ohohohohohoho said:

KaiserHamuel said:

If you can’t fuck and wank then what is the point of existence?

maybe you can throw your brain into wank mode without ever having to lift a finger. youre already fabricating all of your sensations anyway

if the tech is good enough to create cyborgs surely they would be able to add a dick in the mix.

May 15, 2021 2:13 AM

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ever since surgery and constant chronic pain? absolutely.

before? probably not.

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KaiserHamuel said:

ohohohohohoho said:

maybe you can throw your brain into wank mode without ever having to lift a finger. youre already fabricating all of your sensations anyway

Well if simulated sexual stimulation is the price to pay for immortality then so be it.

now thats the spirit i like to see in a person

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zagzee said:
ever since surgery and constant chronic pain? absolutely.

before? probably not.

what the fuck happened to you. damn the character limit i kinda problamatic

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Charsi007 said:
what the fuck happened to you. damn the character limit i kinda problamatic

severe scheuermann's disease. i was probably not going to live very long pre surgery so i much prefer what I have now even if it's a discomfort.

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zagzee said:

Charsi007 said:
what the fuck happened to you. damn the character limit i kinda problamatic

severe scheuermann's disease. i was probably not going to live very long pre surgery so i much prefer what I have now even if it's a discomfort.

damn bro. i hope you are alright as compared to pre surgery

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