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| Wow.. what a dark ending to the episode.. followed by the upbeat ED tune.. which felt completely off lol. |
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| I think that was a way to "apologize" the audience for that sexist incident in some last episode I can't remember now. But, even if it's not true, I liked. Dark and gloomy episode. WTF? as always, but okay |
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| So many things happen!!!!! All characters are so pretty/handsome here ❤️ Momoe is the prettiest girl and handsome at the same time!!!!!! How dare him to react that!! I really feel bad for her :( I don't know why, but it feels like that sensei like Tae because Ai and her looks alike. He can't be too obvious so he date the mother instead. Also, I don't understand!! Did Momoe's friend alive or what? So because the statue is alive now, they need to die? |
| Proverbs 4:23 Above all else, guard your heart, for everything you do flows from it. |
| the jacket the guy momoe saved being a trans flag was a nice touch also whats momos true name, momoe or momotaro? Jotakak said: This was seriously the best trans representation I've seen so far in anime besides Zombieland Saga. For context, Momoe (a trans girl) helps kids who have committed suicide by entering a "dream world" where she helps them overcome their trauma so their souls can pass on to the next life. In this case, she meets a trans boy named Kaoru who had killed himself after he became pregnant from his teacher who raped him after he told him he was transgender. Momoe has struggled with her identity because everyone who has been interested in her, always saw her as a boy and not her true self. It also seems like Momoe is actually just interested in boys, not girls like the ones that fell for her before which means she's a straight transgender girl. Kaoru was the first boy to like her as a girl since the first boy to ever ask her out mistook her for a boy. Both of them wore Trans Pride colors through out the episode! It was absolutely beautiful. I'm going to pretend everything after that never happened. :) yo is momoe being trans canon? it makes total sense but is that said somewhere or do u just think so cuz of this ep Mod Edit: Merged duplicated posts; please use the edit button. |
Koito91Apr 17, 2021 1:12 PM
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Fran said: Jotakak said: This was seriously the best trans representation I've seen so far in anime besides Zombieland Saga. For context, Momoe (a trans girl) helps kids who have committed suicide by entering a "dream world" where she helps them overcome their trauma so their souls can pass on to the next life. In this case, she meets a trans boy named Kaoru who had killed himself after he became pregnant from his teacher who raped him after he told him he was transgender. Momoe has struggled with her identity because everyone who has been interested in her, always saw her as a boy and not her true self. It also seems like Momoe is actually just interested in boys, not girls like the ones that fell for her before which means she's a straight transgender girl. Kaoru was the first boy to like her as a girl since the first boy to ever ask her out mistook her for a boy. Both of them wore Trans Pride colors through out the episode! It was absolutely beautiful. I'm going to pretend everything after that never happened. :) yo is momoe being trans canon? it makes total sense but is that said somewhere or do u just think so cuz of this ep I think this episode was the author's way of confirming she is trans. Her story parallel's the trans boy's and when she shouts "And I am a girl!" after being misgendered, she rips open her jacket to reveal her bra that is Trans Pride colors. Kaoru's jacket also is the Trans Pride colors and he gives it to Momoe before he disappears. I think that in itself is symbolic. Plus in an earlier episode, when talking about her old friend, she says, "She was willing to see me as a girl." Cisgender girls don't have that problem, no matter how butch they are. |
Jotakak said: You might just be right. Up until now, I'd assumed she was struggling with her gender identity in other ways, but perhaps she is a transwoman/girl. I'd thought maybe she felt pushed towards being a transman/boy (she's a kid, transman feels weird for a 14 year old) and she really was biologically female, but your theory makes sense, too. Fran said: yo is momoe being trans canon? it makes total sense but is that said somewhere or do u just think so cuz of this ep I think this episode was the author's way of confirming she is trans. Her story parallel's the trans boy's and when she shouts "And I am a girl!" after being misgendered, she rips open her jacket to reveal her bra that is Trans Pride colors. Kaoru's jacket also is the Trans Pride colors and he gives it to Momoe before he disappears. I think that in itself is symbolic. Plus in an earlier episode, when talking about her old friend, she says, "She was willing to see me as a girl." Cisgender girls don't have that problem, no matter how butch they are. In any case, I find myself frustrated with this show. I feel like it has a lot to say, and is at its best when it's exploring the inner lives of its characters, but the plot is such a mess, to me. Too many exposition dumps too late in the series, and all at the expense of its characterization, which I think is excellent. This has been a show I really, really want to not only like, but love, but outside of the very intimate stories it has told, like the really great episode with Rika, it's fallen flat for me since the third episode or so. I hope they can stick the landing, but I'm skeptical. |
duskyboris said: Jotakak said: You might just be right. Up until now, I'd assumed she was struggling with her gender identity in other ways, but perhaps she is a transwoman/girl. I'd thought maybe she felt pushed towards being a transman/boy (she's a kid, transman feels weird for a 14 year old) and she really was biologically female, but your theory makes sense, too. I think this episode was the author's way of confirming she is trans. Her story parallel's the trans boy's and when she shouts "And I am a girl!" after being misgendered, she rips open her jacket to reveal her bra that is Trans Pride colors. Kaoru's jacket also is the Trans Pride colors and he gives it to Momoe before he disappears. I think that in itself is symbolic. Plus in an earlier episode, when talking about her old friend, she says, "She was willing to see me as a girl." Cisgender girls don't have that problem, no matter how butch they are. In any case, I find myself frustrated with this show. I feel like it has a lot to say, and is at its best when it's exploring the inner lives of its characters, but the plot is such a mess, to me. Too many exposition dumps too late in the series, and all at the expense of its characterization, which I think is excellent. This has been a show I really, really want to not only like, but love, but outside of the very intimate stories it has told, like the really great episode with Rika, it's fallen flat for me since the third episode or so. I hope they can stick the landing, but I'm skeptical. Yeah, it just felt like she connected with Kaoru on the same level of understanding and them affirming each other's genders to each other at the end was the cherry on top. It was all so great, I'm disappointed that the happiness I was feeling from it all was squashed by the traumatic scene that happened immediately afterward. I hope they can stick the landing too, though. |
revxdd said: wow a trans person in an anime that isnt played for laughs, never thought id see the day it's like Christmas right! I think the scene with killing her pet meant to show how death is not "glamorous" at all and how far it is from many glossy portrayals/teen beliefs, but how raw and harsh it is in reality. Many took the gallery scene badly but even though initially I thought he was sus, now I actually think the teacher knows that Ai likes him and meant that Ai shouldn't feel bad and think she is not good enough for him, but the reason that nothing is possible between them because she is a child. When you are a kid rejection can really harm your self-esteem (especially if it has already been severely damaged by the absence of dad) so that's why he took it cautiously. |
SorvarinMar 23, 2021 3:52 AM
| see you, space cowperson . . . |
| i was so excited for her but no )): i felt so bad for poor momo the part where momo was watching romance movies/series is literally me lol the girls' talk chant was so funny lol there little gc too!! i want friends hh.. i'm so confused what's going on with momo at the end and who that person is. seeing panic die then shove the meat in momo's mouth actually made me want to vomit.. poor momo the ending with the paining was so pretty |
| Damn, this was a rollercoaster of feelings episode, at one point you could feel happy for Momoe and in the end it was all creepy and hopeless. |
| This episode was IT |
| The anime already has a tension, except that this episode had a tremendous increase. The episode focused on Momoe, but we also had a breakthrough in the development of others. Two issues already addressed, such as sexual harassment and gender identity come back to the fore, the second was already waiting in an episode focused on Momoe. Someone finally recognized her as a girl and she managed to scream her sexuality herself, and I see that as the reason she ended the game. So, it's not just defending several eggs, it's more about finding yourself to solve this game. Except that the ending is not something positively expected by the girl. The end of the episode with Momoe was too brutal. And everything went outside the plans of Acca and Ura-Acca. Speaking of them, I thought the anime would deal more with the conversation Acca and Ura-Acca had in the last episode, only it was kind of pushed aside in this episode by the girls. I still cannot judge 100% whether they are good or bad, or even neutral. They mentioned Thanatos, personification of death and Eros, of love. The most obvious guess with love is to overcome death, and that this may complete the plans of Acca and Ura-Acca. From what has already been explored, I do not see the authors looking for this easier path, perhaps there is more to this. Ai is finally facing her problems, and her mother is open and she is understanding her daughter more. But the teacher is really scary, painting Ai as an adult and still compared to her mother, was very bizarre. Next episode I feel it will be even more tense. |
Nishio123 said: In the anime, one transgender person is Kaoru. Momoe is a biological girl. Why is everyone so eager to see her transgender? People are grasping at straws. Momoe has been shown time and time and time and time again being incredibly uncomfortable being mistaken for, referred to as, compared to, or treated like a male; it's honestly kind of disgusting that people are ignoring the identity she has been fighting so hard for and trying to replace it with their fantasy when they already have a very blatantly trans character in Kaoru already. |
| RIP Panic, can't believe how brutal that death was :( Making Momo eat Panic was fucked up. The teacher is clearly trying to groom Ai, that talk about her becoming a beautiful adult woman made me wanna puke. Literally the only good thing about this episode was Momo's kiss with Kaoru |
Nishio123 said: In the anime, one transgender person is Kaoru. Momoe is a biological girl. Why is everyone so eager to see her transgender? Tomboys not being a trope anymore? Dang I feel old. Speaking of being old, I haven't watched many new animus for some years now, mainly trying to catch up wiith all the 2000 to 2012 shows on my watch list yet. Do all anime nowaday turn into some sort of ? |
Sushi099 said: Momoe explicitly sees Kaoru as a boy (and he is a trans boy), so her being attracted to him actually makes sense! Especially if you consider the hints that she may be trans herself. Personally, I am attracted to women and that includes transgender women (mtf) as well. On the contrary, I do not like men. Just an example of how it can work in real life. So obviously you're just bisexual and prefer people that look like women. Doesn't seem like it matters to you whether the person is actually a woman or not though. [/quote] Hah, according to the modern trans agenda, if you love women, then you automatically have to love biological men who identify as women, otherwise you are transphobic. You should also suppress your bisexual or pansexual identity if gender identity does not matter to you in relationship with trans person. @laiskvorst Thanks, I understand how it works. The problem is that if you are not attracted to girls as such, then you will not be attracted to a biological girl just because they identify as a man. I understand that the opposite sounds beautiful in the mainstream of progressive ideology, the mentality of my country denies the possibility of self-deception for the sake of beautiful goals, and I cannot convince myself of what I do not believe in. At the same time, it is perfectly normal if you are not attracted to girls, but you are attracted to an androgynous girl who gives masculine vibes. This phenomenon is also nothing new and I don't understand why people call gay people who are attracted to androgynous people. |
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| [quote=laiskvorst message=62794264] RobertBobert said: Sushi099 said: Momoe explicitly sees Kaoru as a boy (and he is a trans boy), so her being attracted to him actually makes sense! Especially if you consider the hints that she may be trans herself. Personally, I am attracted to women and that includes transgender women (mtf) as well. On the contrary, I do not like men. Just an example of how it can work in real life. So obviously you're just bisexual and prefer people that look like women. Doesn't seem like it matters to you whether the person is actually a woman or not though. Hah, according to the modern trans agenda, if you love women, then you automatically have to love biological men who identify as women, otherwise you are transphobic. You should also suppress your bisexual or pansexual identity if gender identity does not matter to you in relationship with trans person. @laiskvorst Thanks, I understand how it works. The problem is that if you are not attracted to girls as such, then you will not be attracted to a biological girl just because they identify as a man. I understand that the opposite sounds beautiful in the mainstream of progressive ideology, the mentality of my country denies the possibility of self-deception for the sake of beautiful goals, and I cannot convince myself of what I do not believe in. At the same time, it is perfectly normal if you are not attracted to girls, but you are attracted to an androgynous girl who gives masculine vibes. This phenomenon is also nothing new and I don't understand why people call gay people who are attracted to androgynous people. > Hah, according to the modern trans agenda, if you love women, then you automatically have to love biological men who identify as women, otherwise you are transphobic. You should also suppress your bisexual or pansexual identity if gender identity does not matter to you in relationship with trans person. Huh? You don't have to automatically love anyone. No one's forcing you, pfft. > I understand that the opposite sounds beautiful in the mainstream of progressive ideology, the mentality of my country denies the possibility of self-deception for the sake of beautiful goals, and I cannot convince myself of what I do not believe in. Which country? Honestly, when it comes to your own life, you do you. Just don't be surprised if someone calls you transphobic for those views. > The problem is that if you are not attracted to girls as such, then you will not be attracted to a biological girl just because they identify as a man. Agree to disagree, I suppose. It's fine if someone doesn't feel that way, but some people will, and it's not really your place to tell them how to identify their sexuality. And at least to me, identity does play a part to an extent. It's difficult to explain though. I don't really put a label on mine anyway, but I can assure you that there are straight people/gays/lesbians who are more than happy with trans partners. There's also that medical transition does bring you biologically closer to a cis man/woman. So there's that factor. While not everyone does it, probably the majority of trans people want it to some extent. So when I look at a trans guy, I may be attracted to them now, but if they decide to get HRT in the future, the resulting masculine biological traits may put me off. Also, if you go with the implication/headcanon that Momo herself is trans, then her accepting Kaoru as a boy and being attracted to him as a boy is even more likely. Since she would "get it". Tell that to those trans women who set up lesbian accounts on dating sites to end up accusing lesbians of transphobia because they don't have enough female gender identity and dress to be attracted to biological men. Even I myself have become a victim of this a couple of times, although I do not use such sites and my trans friends are limited to men. A couple of weirdos literally tried to start my cyberbulling with constant abuse just because I couldn't take the androgynous trans male and cis girl story as "straight." If a person considers this to be normal for themself, okay, this is their own business. Honestly, I shouldn't care who fucks with whom. But I am extremely annoyed when people start telling others how their sexuality should work in accordance with some kind of ideology. |
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| Yey Momoe traumatized and puked lol |
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| This was great but I cant scratch the feeling it did something wrong. Could it be than Momo was finally realized as character and grow out of her complex... and then right after that her character gets blown by a super creepy bad guy, I mean girl. Anyway, it has gotten quite good |
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| I feel so many emotions watching an episode... Wtf lol |
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| What the fuck were those last five minutes? This got Lovecraftian real quick. |
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| Try too hard to be edgy and juvenile , from the technical aspect this anime is quite fine but the content...good maybe if you are 14 or it's one of your first anime, sorry for the fans of this anime |
| A lot of stuff happening this episode from changes in appearances, to Ai mustering up the courage to ask Sawaki-sensei the big question...to Momoe clearing her mission with quite the messed up end...poor Panic |
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| Hm.. So what exactly happened with Momoe's Haruka?.. Her disappearing without telling anything is extremely sus.. Tanatos?.. Frill?.. What?.. |
| This was a good episode. Like I'm sure many other people have said here, glad to see a trans character in a popular anime that isn't treated like a joke. I guess now we know what happens when they complete the game, and I regret watching this episode before I'm about to eat. I just wonder since Acca and Ura-Acca had to tell the girls that Momoe finish, is Momoe gonna try and warn them what happens? At first after she finished I assumed that completing the game would lead you to suicide and you'd end up like one of the girls in the egg, but I guess that isn't it. |
| This anime has some heavy stuff, but it treats everything so beastly... For sure it is one of the worst anime I have ever watched. |
| Killing her pet? Friend? In front of her and then forcing her to eat them was super fucked up |
| Great episode, however its last minutes were quite mysterious. Poor Panic... :( |
| The cliffhanger from the previous episode wasn't as great as I hoped it would be, to think girls talk is more important than their founders' revelation... lol, that was hilarious! They're talking about UP & DOWN, are they perhaps a reference from Alice in Wonderland~ lol Princess Neiru... She's totally gap moe~ Momoe was really pretty in her full girl getup but to think that happened huh. Pure girls are getting hurt because of the existence of those... huh, let them have the divine punishment they deserved! Abortion is a no, no. Sorry? You killed a baby... (This is a bit controversial so I'll stop here) Boy at heart? Boyish girls are acceptable like Momoe who still accepts her physical appearance but I'm disgusted at the other one, especially the one who did that to her... was probably the reason she didn't embrace her true self and instead created a cage for herself to seek satisfaction and hope. P.S. The ending was really vauge for me, I hope they can make it clearer next ep. |
ASinfulPersonageJun 8, 2022 9:48 PM
| It's not that I dislike this genre but... to add unnecessary fan services to/in/for heroines and ultimately destroys her character and personality; their purity tarnished because of it, is the only thing I hope to not happen to them. For that sole purity is my fan service. |
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