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Do you think it's reasonable to show sex scenes where they can be used as a narrative tool?
Feb 8, 2021 1:22 AM
#1
In every romance anime, why wouldn't there be a portrayal of actual sex? Sex is an essential part of the vast majority of romances, even in teenage ones, why we have it separately in hentai? Well, there are a lot of reasons why sex is such a forbidden topic when something like murder isn't. I guess the main reason is that people have a lot of repressed sexual feelings, for explicitly stating which they would be shamed, while it isn't the case for murder, therefore the market for porn is way more demanded and desired, but I digress. In a perfect world, I would see a teenage romance with actual sex, because that's how most teenage romances actually are in real life. |
Feb 8, 2021 1:23 AM
#2
Torture is the least used thing in anime. Torture should be more used in my opinion. By torture I meant big level torture. |
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Feb 8, 2021 1:23 AM
#3
I mean they'd usually do it off screen if it is for narrative purposes. I mean look at Code Geass. |
Feb 8, 2021 1:28 AM
#4
Misery_Gaming said: Except that we do? you probably might haven't watched a lot of anime. Not showing genitals though, but still showing that they're naked and having sex.In every romance anime, why wouldn't there be a portrayal of actual sex? Sex is an essential part of the vast majority of romances, even in teenage ones, why we have it separately in hentai? Well, there are a lot of reasons why sex is such a forbidden topic when something like murder isn't. I guess the main reason is that people have a lot of repressed sexual feelings, for explicitly stating which they would be shamed, while it isn't the case for murder, therefore the market for porn is way more demanded and desired, but I digress. In a perfect world, I would see a teenage romance with actual sex, because that's how most teenage romances actually are in real life. https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/147/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien https://myanimelist.net/anime/32949/Kuzu_no_Honkai |
Feb 8, 2021 1:29 AM
#5
n6ah said: I mean they'd usually do it off screen if it is for narrative purposes. I mean look at Code Geass. That's my point, why just not show it? It's clearly important for the narrative so excluding it only lessens the quality of the story. |
Feb 8, 2021 1:30 AM
#6
sex is yucky!!! like, they put that one part into the hole and it's like... totally eww!!! |
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Feb 8, 2021 1:30 AM
#7
There are no sex scenes in anime because of Japanese TV censorship laws which prevent creators from putting explicit sexual stuff in anime. As for weather sex scenes should be there in anime I agree with you that sex is a natural part of life and shouldn't be considered a taboo subject. But as long as Japanese people consider it as a taboo topic off screen sex is all we are gonna get. |
Feb 8, 2021 1:32 AM
#8
Desolated said: Misery_Gaming said: Except that we do? you probably might haven't watched a lot of anime. Not showing genitals though, but still showing that they're naked and having sex.In every romance anime, why wouldn't there be a portrayal of actual sex? Sex is an essential part of the vast majority of romances, even in teenage ones, why we have it separately in hentai? Well, there are a lot of reasons why sex is such a forbidden topic when something like murder isn't. I guess the main reason is that people have a lot of repressed sexual feelings, for explicitly stating which they would be shamed, while it isn't the case for murder, therefore the market for porn is way more demanded and desired, but I digress. In a perfect world, I would see a teenage romance with actual sex, because that's how most teenage romances actually are in real life. https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/147/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien https://myanimelist.net/anime/32949/Kuzu_no_Honkai Well those kind of embody the problem as well. Isn't it bizarre that we watch sex scenes in something like Scum's wish and it's deliberately edited to not include any naked parts? Why is it that we watch an actual sex scene but watching it kind of implicitly? Anime companies want to have a cake and eat it too. |
Feb 8, 2021 1:32 AM
#9
sex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? and wtf with your spam thread |
Feb 8, 2021 1:34 AM
#10
Watch Grancrest Senki and how it deals with those scenes |
Feb 8, 2021 1:34 AM
#11
sogegesoge said: sex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? and wtf with your spam thread What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for example |
Feb 8, 2021 1:37 AM
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Feb 8, 2021 1:39 AM
#13
I like sex scene in normal anime but i think it should only for depiction of love climax , i think good examples are some josei/shoujo manga , heaven's feel 3 , YagaKimi , but bad examples , Redo of Healer , yeah it ended up being a borderline hentai , or yeah it is already hentai . I think the reason sex scene being reduced might be either to avoid censorship problems , or maybe the studio think why should we make something lukewarm |
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Feb 8, 2021 1:40 AM
#14
Tendo_GM said: Ohh, that was quite a good scene, more like a porn.Watch Grancrest Senki and how it deals with those scenes |
Feb 8, 2021 1:42 AM
#15
because many anime need to be mild enough to air on. Thats also a lot of movement to animate( hentais look kinda shit for a reason ) . It could also distract from the actual story. also the mosaic cencorship problem . who actually wants that ? but overall sure. i dont see an issue with mature stories having mature content. |
Feb 8, 2021 1:48 AM
#16
Misery_Gaming said: In every romance anime, why wouldn't there be a portrayal of actual sex? Mostly because animes needs to sell and most viewers are young people like teenagers, so shows with sex scenes would be limited in its viewers, or even censored from anime networks. Although if you look at the Seinen genre which are for adult viewers, most of it has sex scenes including Parasyte, Tokyo Ghoul, Btoom and Kuzu no honkai |
Feb 8, 2021 1:50 AM
#17
n6ah said: I mean they'd usually do it off screen if it is for narrative purposes. I mean look at Code Geass. wait, who's doing it off screen in CG? I think I may have missed the clues. |
Feb 8, 2021 1:56 AM
#18
I don't need to actually see them. Just do it off screen with a mention and it's ok. I thought it was extremly annoying in GoT for example. Didn't like the first seasons because they did it just to often. So i just don't like and need it. |
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Feb 8, 2021 1:58 AM
#19
Misery_Gaming said: sogegesoge said: sex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? and wtf with your spam thread What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for example i mean there are lots of romance that hints that the couples are having sex, but just didn't show the actual scene or cut through it for many reasons (esp: broadcast tv standard), because there's really nothing to see except them being horny. and by hinting they did it there's already development happening |
Feb 8, 2021 1:59 AM
#20
-Shinzo said: Misery_Gaming said: In every romance anime, why wouldn't there be a portrayal of actual sex? Mostly because animes needs to sell and most viewers are young people like teenagers, so shows with sex scenes would be limited in its viewers, or even censored from anime networks. Although if you look at the Seinen genre which are for adult viewers, most of it has sex scenes including Parasyte, Tokyo Ghoul, Btoom and Kuzu no honkai Well those kinds of shows embody this problem as well. Isn't it bizarre that we watch sex scenes in something like Scum's wish and it's deliberately edited to not include any naked parts? Why is it that we watch an actual sex scene but watching it kind of implicitly? Anime companies want to have a cake and eat it too. |
Feb 8, 2021 2:04 AM
#21
sogegesoge said: Misery_Gaming said: sogegesoge said: sex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? and wtf with your spam thread What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for example i mean there are lots of romance that hints that the couples are having sex, but just didn't show the actual scene or cut through it for many reasons (esp: broadcast tv standard), because there's really nothing to see except them being horny. and by hinting they did it there's already development happening Isn't it strange then? Let's say that the Japanese law says that kisses are immoral and shouldn't be in any media, and all anime starts censoring kisses. Maybe then hand holding? Or looking in each others' eyes? The anime will be in this case just "the boy and the girl are a couple' and show ends. Why is there a need for authors to limit themselves to less narrative tools they can use? Instead of focusing on the story, the author has to go like "I want to portray how they became closer and have more trust in each other by portraying them having sex in this or that way, but oh shit I have restrictions for the show so I can't do that, I guess I'll just imply that happening". |
Feb 8, 2021 2:06 AM
#22
Yoo, nice topic. As @desolated said, there're a few animes that have sex scenes but they're not hentais (Kuzo no Honaki for exemple) but I agree this should be more common in animes. I guess this happens because the target audience of romance animes are male teenageres, plus they don't want the anime not to broadcast on TV's |
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Feb 8, 2021 2:19 AM
#23
Desolated said: The problem are marketing channels and MPAA restrictions (or the national equivalents in other countries) controlling TV slots. Morning and afternoon TV slots are at best PG-13, early evening PG-17 at best. All anime I've seen fitting your description (nudity in a scene implying sex,but no genitals etc.) already is rated R+. some more examples:Misery_Gaming said: Except that we do? you probably might haven't watched a lot of anime. Not showing genitals though, but still showing that they're naked and having sex.In every romance anime, why wouldn't there be a portrayal of actual sex? Sex is an essential part of the vast majority of romances, even in teenage ones, why we have it separately in hentai? [...] In a perfect world, I would see a teenage romance with actual sex, because that's how most teenage romances actually are in real life. https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/147/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien https://myanimelist.net/anime/32949/Kuzu_no_Honkai https://myanimelist.net/anime/437/Perfect_Blue https://myanimelist.net/anime/3783/Kara_no_Kyoukai_3__Tsuukaku_Zanryuu https://myanimelist.net/anime/19/Monster https://myanimelist.net/anime/3701/Kaiba https://myanimelist.net/anime/3371/Ginga_Eiyuu_Densetsu_Gaiden https://myanimelist.net/anime/35120/Devilman__Crybaby https://myanimelist.net/anime/1454/Kemonozume None of those is even remotely smut, but TV executives must not care. Legal and business rules are legal and business rules. Some shows managed to show actual sex and get lower classifications, https://myanimelist.net/anime/18245/White_Album_2 https://myanimelist.net/anime/145/Kareshi_Kanojo_no_Jijou https://myanimelist.net/anime/1690/Bokura_no Interestingly enough, these three have actual teen protagonists, whereas the above R+ examples have predominantly adult cast. In the end the industry is ready to create stories with realistic adult sex that's not porn or soft porn. The problem is there are almost no marketing channels for that. Adult late night slots are more often filled with the likes of Redo of a Healer or Interspecies Reviewers. I mean, who really wants complex drama at midnight after a hard day at work? Those shows who are both complex drama and have mature treatment of sexuality are pretty much limited to world famous directors and art-house audiences. Satoshi Kon and Masaaki Yuasa mostly created R+ anime. tl;dr Create a business model and more marketing opportunities for non-porn shows with mature depiction of sexuality. Else little will change. |
Feb 8, 2021 2:26 AM
#24
Misery_Gaming said: Well those kinds of shows embody this problem as well. Isn't it bizarre that we watch sex scenes in something like Scum's wish and it's deliberately edited to not include any naked parts? Making sales is the top priority of Anime Companies, and including "full sensual sex scenes" is not an option if they want to be approved on Anime networks. Being broadcasted = sales = money. Light scenes are passable but full scenes is a no go. It's one of the reasons no one has dared to touch my favorite manga which is Gantz since 2000' Gantz has everything that an Anime Producer avoids = Full blown sex scenes (literally fucking every episode), gore, dark themed. It's also the reason why no one tries to touch Berserk, no matter how popular it is. Goodluck trying to pass the censorship test. |
Feb 8, 2021 2:31 AM
#25
-Shinzo said: Misery_Gaming said: Well those kinds of shows embody this problem as well. Isn't it bizarre that we watch sex scenes in something like Scum's wish and it's deliberately edited to not include any naked parts? Making sales is the top priority of Anime Companies, and including "full sensual sex scenes" is not an option if they want to be approved on Anime networks. Being broadcasted = sales = money. Light scenes are passable but full scenes is a no go. It's one of the reasons no one has dared to touch my favorite manga which is Gantz since 2000' Gantz has everything that an Anime Producer avoids = Full blown sex scenes (literally fucking every episode), gore, dark themed. Goodluck trying to pass the censorship test. It's also the reason why no one tries to touch Berserk, no matter how popular it is. I'm engaging in a hypothetical "SHOULD anime show explicit sex scenes", not "CAN or ARE THEY ALLOWED to show it?". Obviously, in real-world, censorship will stop it, however my argument is whether the authors should be pursuing writing however explicit scenes they want without worrying about restrictions or sales. |
Feb 8, 2021 2:33 AM
#26
Misery_Gaming said: my argument is whether the authors should be pursuing writing however explicit scenes they want without worrying about restrictions or sales. Manga authors include full scenes, it's the anime producers that edits it out. |
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Feb 8, 2021 2:34 AM
#27
I find that sex scenes in general add relatively little to a movie/show. In terms of story actually seeing characters having sex doesn't really add anything at all (unless there is a specific purpose behind them, i.e. Sarah Connor and Kyle Reese going at it in the directors cut of The Terminator). For me at least, I watch shows/movies for the fiction. If there's some light titillating/sexy/ecchi elements then it's all good but to put it crudely, I'm not there to have a wank. I'm there to be entertained. |
Feb 8, 2021 2:39 AM
#28
There are sex scenes, just not on Public broadcasted shows. You can find lots of anime with sex scenes in them and they aren't really hentai, they just have 1 or 2 sex scenes. |
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Feb 8, 2021 2:40 AM
#29
-Shinzo said: Misery_Gaming said: my argument is whether the authors should be pursuing writing however explicit scenes they want without worrying about restrictions or sales. Manga authors include full scenes, it's the anime producers that edits it out. Well, I would say that they are doing it out of necessity, not out of some artistic idea. It's still the same argument. I'm not arguing "CAN anime producers show full scenes from the manga as intended?" but rather "SHOULD they do it?". Not about illegality or censorship, but about the authors' artistic intent. Obviously. the artistic intent can be to NOT show the sex scene, or they actually want to introduce their work to broader demographic by making their work more innocent. The argument is "SHOULD they (manga authors, anime stuff, etc.) be allowed to show whatever explicit scene they want or someone should have power to restrict them by censorship, restrictions, etc.?" |
Feb 8, 2021 2:45 AM
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Feb 8, 2021 2:46 AM
#31
Scarestone said: In my opinion sex scenes should be isolated in hentai because if in anime everything would be exposed then there will be no difference between hentai and ecchi/harem-romance. How is that even a problem? ........................... |
Feb 8, 2021 2:47 AM
#32
There ARE romance shows that contain sexual imageries and sometimes even sexual intercourses. They are just very rare. And if you ask me why they are so rare; well, because sex has always been a taboo topic. On the other hand, romance is usually considered to be pure and innocent. That's why people don't want to associate romance with sex, and I think that's also why there aren't many romance shows which contain sexual content. And to be honest, I don't exactly know why, but I prefer if it stays this way. Also, sexual content in anime is generally a cheap way to grab the viewers' attention. |
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Feb 8, 2021 2:47 AM
#33
Umm, Only problem is that they do ??, They don't show genitals but they show people having sex. And if you're wondering why they don't show genitals, It's because these things air on TV and your example of murder isn't that waterproof since it's much easier to make murder less explicit and shocking but harder with sex |
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Feb 8, 2021 2:58 AM
#34
Just wondering, isn't showing that they had sex enough? What extra message can a author put forward by explicitly showing people fuck each other? Or am I getting your point wrong? Do you mean sex cutscenes like in witcher games? Or more like porn? |
Feb 8, 2021 3:00 AM
#35
Misery_Gaming said: because having sex has consequence which someone could become pregnant, and teenage-romance tend to be watched by younger audience who easily encouraged by the media they consumed. though it could be considered normal, seeing a teenager being pregnant, killing the unborn baby, and fucked up their life are not a rare case as well. that's why there is age restriction in every piece of fiction.sogegesoge said: Misery_Gaming said: sogegesoge said: sex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? and wtf with your spam thread What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for example i mean there are lots of romance that hints that the couples are having sex, but just didn't show the actual scene or cut through it for many reasons (esp: broadcast tv standard), because there's really nothing to see except them being horny. and by hinting they did it there's already development happening Isn't it strange then? Let's say that the Japanese law says that kisses are immoral and shouldn't be in any media, and all anime starts censoring kisses. Maybe then hand holding? Or looking in each others' eyes? The anime will be in this case just "the boy and the girl are a couple' and show ends. Why is there a need for authors to limit themselves to less narrative tools they can use? Instead of focusing on the story, the author has to go like "I want to portray how they became closer and have more trust in each other by portraying them having sex in this or that way, but oh shit I have restrictions for the show so I can't do that, I guess I'll just imply that happening". it's not limiting the author's freedom to express their story, there are time & place where they could include such content. and for me personally, if i merely want to enjoy a heartwarming romance and suddenly saw a scene where they explicitly having sex would ruin the entire atmosphere |
Feb 8, 2021 3:02 AM
#36
Misery_Gaming said: Because If I am watching anime it should be like an anime, not hentai or porn. ¯\(°_o)/¯Scarestone said: In my opinion sex scenes should be isolated in hentai because if in anime everything would be exposed then there will be no difference between hentai and ecchi/harem-romance. How is that even a problem? ........................... |
Feb 8, 2021 3:10 AM
#37
EndlessMaria said: I can't believe my mommy and daddy do that, absolutely disgusting.sex is yucky!!! like, they put that one part into the hole and it's like... totally eww!!! |
Feb 8, 2021 3:13 AM
#38
sogegesoge said: I agree that pregancy probably is not very compatible with teen rom-com, ecchi and harem. It's however very compatible with mature and realistic drama. Misery_Gaming said: because having sex has consequence which someone could become pregnant, [..] seeing a teenager being pregnant, killing the unborn baby, and fucked up their life are not a rare case as well. that's why there is age restriction in every piece of fiction. [...] for me personally, if i merely want to enjoy a heartwarming romance and suddenly saw a scene where they explicitly having sex would ruin the entire atmosphere.sogegesoge said: sex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/2694/Hidamari_no_Ki https://myanimelist.net/anime/4181/Clannad__After_Story https://myanimelist.net/anime/12355/Ookami_Kodomo_no_Ame_to_Yuki https://myanimelist.net/anime/3082/Stairs__Houkago_no_Album The last title is tagged hentai but I think it's pretty much what this whole thread is about. Socio-drama with a realistic teenager relation with realistic consequences: teenage pregnancy, having to quit school and so on. It's most unfortunate that anime like that one end up as obscure hentai. |
Feb 8, 2021 3:17 AM
#39
inim said: sogegesoge said: I agree that pregancy probably is not very compatible with teen rom-com, ecchi and harem. It's however very compatible with mature and realistic drama. Misery_Gaming said: sogegesoge said: What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for examplesex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/2694/Hidamari_no_Ki https://myanimelist.net/anime/4181/Clannad__After_Story https://myanimelist.net/anime/12355/Ookami_Kodomo_no_Ame_to_Yuki https://myanimelist.net/anime/3082/Stairs__Houkago_no_Album The last title is tagged hentai but I think it's pretty much what this whole thread is about. Socio-drama with a realistic teenager relation with realistic consequences: teenage pregnancy, having to quit school and so on. It's most unfortunate that anime like that one end up as obscure hentai. How are you even talking about pregnancy? I haven't even said anything about it, and even if I did, how does it make a difference whether the teenage girl is getting pregnant on-screen or off-screen?? Is it acceptable if she got pregnant off-screen and you haven't seen it? |
Feb 8, 2021 3:23 AM
#40
Misery_Gaming said: @sogegesoge brought up the example of pregnancy and how it would ruin his enjoyment. In the examples, there are sex scenes leading to pregnancy but only in the hentai version it happens on screen. Thus hentai. In the 2nd example, the pregnancy is the result of rape, in the other three "an accident". Abortion is an option discussed in the first example.inim said: sogegesoge said: Misery_Gaming said: because having sex has consequence which someone could become pregnant, [..] seeing a teenager being pregnant, killing the unborn baby, and fucked up their life are not a rare case as well. that's why there is age restriction in every piece of fiction. [...] for me personally, if i merely want to enjoy a heartwarming romance and suddenly saw a scene where they explicitly having sex would ruin the entire atmosphere.sogegesoge said: What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for examplesex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/2694/Hidamari_no_Ki https://myanimelist.net/anime/4181/Clannad__After_Story https://myanimelist.net/anime/12355/Ookami_Kodomo_no_Ame_to_Yuki https://myanimelist.net/anime/3082/Stairs__Houkago_no_Album The last title is tagged hentai but I think it's pretty much what this whole thread is about. Socio-drama with a realistic teenager relation with realistic consequences: teenage pregnancy, having to quit school and so on. It's most unfortunate that anime like that one end up as obscure hentai. How are you even talking about pregnancy? I haven't even said anything about it, and even if I did, how does it make a difference whether the teenage girl is getting pregnant on-screen or off-screen?? Is it acceptable if she got pregnant off-screen and you haven't seen it? |
Feb 8, 2021 3:28 AM
#41
inim said: Misery_Gaming said: @sogegesoge brought up the example of pregnancy and how it would ruin his enjoyment. In the examples, there are sex scenes leading to pregnancy but only in the hentai version it happens on screen. Thus hentai. In the 2nd example, the pregnancy is the result of rape, in the other three "an accident". Abortion is an option discussed in the first example.inim said: sogegesoge said: I agree that pregancy probably is not very compatible with teen rom-com, ecchi and harem. It's however very compatible with mature and realistic drama. Misery_Gaming said: because having sex has consequence which someone could become pregnant, [..] seeing a teenager being pregnant, killing the unborn baby, and fucked up their life are not a rare case as well. that's why there is age restriction in every piece of fiction. [...] for me personally, if i merely want to enjoy a heartwarming romance and suddenly saw a scene where they explicitly having sex would ruin the entire atmosphere.sogegesoge said: What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for examplesex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/2694/Hidamari_no_Ki https://myanimelist.net/anime/4181/Clannad__After_Story https://myanimelist.net/anime/12355/Ookami_Kodomo_no_Ame_to_Yuki https://myanimelist.net/anime/3082/Stairs__Houkago_no_Album The last title is tagged hentai but I think it's pretty much what this whole thread is about. Socio-drama with a realistic teenager relation with realistic consequences: teenage pregnancy, having to quit school and so on. It's most unfortunate that anime like that one end up as obscure hentai. How are you even talking about pregnancy? I haven't even said anything about it, and even if I did, how does it make a difference whether the teenage girl is getting pregnant on-screen or off-screen?? Is it acceptable if she got pregnant off-screen and you haven't seen it? How does this correspond to my argument? It's not a debate "Should there be sex in teenage romance or not be?", but "Should the authors be allowed to show the sex scene without censorship or should it happen off-screen?". In the 2nd question, sex scene (with or without pregnancy, it doesn't matter) happens either way, the only difference is whether you see it explicitly or not. |
Feb 8, 2021 3:34 AM
#42
Misery_Gaming said: In a perfect world, I would see a teenage romance with actual sex, because that's how most teenage romances actually are in real life. Japanese people don't lose their virginity in high school. |
Feb 8, 2021 3:37 AM
#43
Misery_Gaming said: I'm engaging in a hypothetical "SHOULD anime show explicit sex scenes", not "CAN or ARE THEY ALLOWED to show it?". Obviously, in real-world, censorship will stop it, however my argument is whether the authors should be pursuing writing however explicit scenes they want without worrying about restrictions or sales. That's a pretty pointless distinction to make, isn't it? As an author looking for their work to be published, what would be the point of writing scenes you already know the public wouldn't get to see anyway? And you seem to be completely overlooking the aspect of this being Japanese culture. The authors themselves are Japanese and most of them don't want to depict actual, realistic sex scenes or even think of their characters in those terms. Think of idol culture where these idols can't have relationships because they can't have sex or they wouldn't be perceived as pure anymore. It's a whole bigger cultural system at play here. To the Japanese even kissing in public is abnormal, and physical intimacy in general, as well as being emotionally vulnerable, is frowned upon in Japanese society. So yes, to them it's more acceptable to portray fictional violence than intimacy. I personally wouldn't say it's healthy or very normal, but it's the way it is. Even hugging isn't a thing in Japan. Japanese mothers don't kiss and hug their children, they make them lunch boxes to express their love. |
Feb 8, 2021 3:38 AM
#44
Misery_Gaming said: The argument is "SHOULD they (manga authors, anime stuff, etc.) be allowed to show whatever explicit scene they want or someone should have power to restrict them by censorship, restrictions, etc.?" Yes, I believe they should, just like how they portray movies with PG-18 that stays true to the script. As long as it's not outright hentai just to make dicks hard, but to actually progress the story. There were plenty of these kinds of anime pre-2000' It will also many great shows like Berserk, Gantz, etc possible to produce. |
Feb 8, 2021 3:59 AM
#45
Feb 8, 2021 4:17 AM
#46
there is a thing called cencorship. it wouldnt bother me if there were sex scenes but they need to air on tv |
Feb 8, 2021 4:24 AM
#47
Misery_Gaming said: There are tons of naked parts in anime. Just not the actual genitalia, which is what you actually mean.Desolated said: Misery_Gaming said: In every romance anime, why wouldn't there be a portrayal of actual sex? Sex is an essential part of the vast majority of romances, even in teenage ones, why we have it separately in hentai? Well, there are a lot of reasons why sex is such a forbidden topic when something like murder isn't. I guess the main reason is that people have a lot of repressed sexual feelings, for explicitly stating which they would be shamed, while it isn't the case for murder, therefore the market for porn is way more demanded and desired, but I digress. In a perfect world, I would see a teenage romance with actual sex, because that's how most teenage romances actually are in real life. https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/147/Kimi_ga_Nozomu_Eien https://myanimelist.net/anime/32949/Kuzu_no_Honkai Well those kind of embody the problem as well. Isn't it bizarre that we watch sex scenes in something like Scum's wish and it's deliberately edited to not include any naked parts? Why is it that we watch an actual sex scene but watching it kind of implicitly? Anime companies want to have a cake and eat it too. Hentai is a subset of anime by the way. Also, not really sure why it's so important that you see genitalia. I mean, when someone dies from getting shot, do you need to see their innards? When a character goes to the bathroom do you need to see them pee? |
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Feb 8, 2021 4:31 AM
#48
Misery_Gaming said: inim said: Misery_Gaming said: inim said: sogegesoge said: I agree that pregancy probably is not very compatible with teen rom-com, ecchi and harem. It's however very compatible with mature and realistic drama. Misery_Gaming said: because having sex has consequence which someone could become pregnant, [..] seeing a teenager being pregnant, killing the unborn baby, and fucked up their life are not a rare case as well. that's why there is age restriction in every piece of fiction. [...] for me personally, if i merely want to enjoy a heartwarming romance and suddenly saw a scene where they explicitly having sex would ruin the entire atmosphere.sogegesoge said: What do you mean 'what kind of things'? Like developing the relationship between the couple, for examplesex scene as narrative tools? what kind of things could be portrayed except being horny? https://myanimelist.net/anime/877/Nana https://myanimelist.net/anime/2694/Hidamari_no_Ki https://myanimelist.net/anime/4181/Clannad__After_Story https://myanimelist.net/anime/12355/Ookami_Kodomo_no_Ame_to_Yuki https://myanimelist.net/anime/3082/Stairs__Houkago_no_Album The last title is tagged hentai but I think it's pretty much what this whole thread is about. Socio-drama with a realistic teenager relation with realistic consequences: teenage pregnancy, having to quit school and so on. It's most unfortunate that anime like that one end up as obscure hentai. How are you even talking about pregnancy? I haven't even said anything about it, and even if I did, how does it make a difference whether the teenage girl is getting pregnant on-screen or off-screen?? Is it acceptable if she got pregnant off-screen and you haven't seen it? How does this correspond to my argument? It's not a debate "Should there be sex in teenage romance or not be?", but "Should the authors be allowed to show the sex scene without censorship or should it happen off-screen?". In the 2nd question, sex scene (with or without pregnancy, it doesn't matter) happens either way, the only difference is whether you see it explicitly or not. but you give examples that you want a realistic teen-rom with real sex scene. and you just miss my point there. "Why wouldn't we have actual sex scenes in anime" 1. the audience of anime watchers is wide and all ages. 2. especially younger audience tends to consumed media as it is without sorting it out wisely 3. if those kids imitate what they consumed because they thought that is a form of romantic behavior or such, there might be consequences irl (which one of it pregnancy if they don't know a proper way of doing it.) a merely fiction/media consumption could damage someone's future. 4. there are non-hentai sex scenes in many romance but they're explicitly restricted only to older audience. but i found it more still on manga that not adapted, perhaps there's just not a lot of studios want to animate it 5. author allowed to has the freedom to express and develop their story with any narrative tools, but there are time & place for specific content. which showing actual sex scene without censorship in shows that tagged shoujo and being watched by 8 years old kiddos would traumatize them or mislead their thoughts. and my personal opinion: sex scene is much lesser effective as narrative tools, because they barely show anything except naked horny people which i'm not really interested to see, and the development could still be progressed even if they skip the actual explicit scene, doing it off-screen, or did it with censorship. but if it's actually enjoyable for you then you do you |
Feb 8, 2021 4:32 AM
#49
I dont really care but I dont want a good story to be washed out by sex scenes. If it were narratively important then thats fine but I dont need to see the sex I prefer it to be implied so I can watch the story. Sometimes a story needs the impact of the event and thats fine though. If the question is why isnt it in anime explicitly well there are laws in place to protect those who may be vulnerable to certain types of media. Some of it is legit I think and some of it is political. Also you want sex in anime because thats how real life is...so does that mean we can remove super powers because thats not how real life is? We may as well remove the entire isekai genre because well yah know real life. What about all these harems with guys who are dumb as rocks in grade like 10. I could be wrong but are there really that many guys collecting harems at the ripe old age of 16? Demons? Vampires? Angels? Never seen proof any are real so remove em...anyways this goes on and on. The same argument that you make about rape in anime being fine "its just fiction" applies to everything else. It is fiction people can write it how they see fit. Some of this is about legality. Some of it is about age restrictions. Your target audience shrinks to some degree by having more risque content in it. Not everyone wants to watch reality they want lovey dovey or cute. People want to escape not watch realistic anime as well sometimes. |
Feb 8, 2021 4:40 AM
#50
someone needs to watch berserk, although I suppose that is an outlier. |
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