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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- All I can say is that it was adapted nearly perfectly... An amazing episode, with awesome background music right throughout it. It felt extremely long aswell, which is a good thing. I almost thought that it ended with Gintoki falling into the water. Must just be the amount of material their burning through. The one thing I disliked was the the clock ticking between transitions... Only a minor detail, but oh well. Taka-tin on the cover of the magazine added some nice humor into this intense arc aswell. |
| -You know, somehow, I was positive that this episode would have absolutely no comedy in it. As it went on and got more and more serious, I figured that there was absolutely no way to add some comedy without it sounding weird....and then Hattori comes in, reading JUMP and is at a fugly girls club and I'm laughing my ass off as usual. God I love this show. -Man, if it wasn't for the fact that Naruto's Jiraiya's seiyuu already has a role in this show, I would have given anything to hear him playing as two badasses named Jiraiya (Apparently this one doesn't have the "ya" character. Just the "a") -This episode proves that when done correctly, ninjas are freaking badass. -Hmm...hot chick bound up at a creepy old man's mercy....this didn't become H did it? |
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| loved it! the art the motions were quite expressive God that Jiraia has some ridiculous strength it's frightening there was a lot of blood I began to think that Hosen was only joking around didn't expect Hattori to show up though he added some humor to the atmosphere :) |
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| Felt like they jumped into the plot a bit too quickly, at first I thought Jiraiya was the guy that kagura defeated previously in the hosen segment. This is the one part that I skipped reading in the manga so I look forward to seeing how the other ninja guys helps in the plot. All I know is that the battles with Jiraiya are going to be ven more badass than the Hosen battle. Sick thing about Gintama is that they can throw in a few subcharacters here and there into the main plot. |
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| Great episode!!! Just as expected from Gintama :P Loved all the bloody fighting scenes between Gintoki and Jiraia. Gotta love how the comedy never disappear in Gintama even with all the serious moments in it :D |
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| Jiraia looks totally messed up O_o P.S. lmao @ Takatin-man on the front cover of Jump |
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| this ep was amazing in every way i too thought there would be no place for laughs and gegs but there was :D i really am looking forward for the rest of it |
| Will Sa-chan be in this arc? Her serious side is something I've been longing too see! |
| This arc is so awesome. I'm happy it got adapted very well from the manga! And no Sa-chan won't be in this one. I thought she would be too. xD Next episode Gintoki goes all SRS BSNZ! |
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| Not really my cup of tea. I like Tsukuyo but not to the extent of being thrilled over a arc that's mostly related to her past and the Oniwabanshu... anyway, I loved Kagura's small detail while eating the gigantic amounts of rice and Zenzo's appearance. JUMP-loving people are always welcome in this show xD Can't wait to see Gintoki kicking some serious ass, especially that Jiraia dude. |
PandaPuff said: And no Sa-chan won't be in this one. The only arc I remember her being in is the Screwdriver one, and that was only three episodes long. I don't mind Tsukuyo but Sa-chan has been around since the first year! Sorachi, an arc for Sa-chan please! She's long deserved it! There's such great potential to explore Zenzo and his past as well. Actually, why did Sorachi focus on Tsukuyo when we already have two long established ninjas? I demand focus on Zenzo and Sa-chan! |
ToukaOct 14, 2009 2:51 PM
| Ah, i love me some serious Gintama.. Touka said: They are only comic relief characters, you can't make a serious arc with them. There won't be a serious Gori-arc either.Actually, why did Sorachi focus on Tsukuyo when we already have two long established ninjas? I demand focus on Zenzo and Sa-chan! |
Proselyt said: Touka said: They are only comic relief characters, you can't make a serious arc with them. There won't be a serious Gori-arc either.Actually, why did Sorachi focus on Tsukuyo when we already have two long established ninjas? I demand focus on Zenzo and Sa-chan! You say that but Zenzo is actually in the current arc. Also, pretty much every character in Gintama is there for comic relief if you want to put it that way. Ninety-five percent of Gintoki's screen time is pure comedy, and Shinpachi is there for punchlines and jokes, yet he is in serious arcs and is able to show his serious side. There is no difference between him and Zenzo or him and Sa-chan except that he is a main character and they are side characters. The potential is definitely there so don't tell me they could never be in a serious arc. Also, if by Gori-arc you are referring to Kondo then you're forgetting about the Itou arc and the Mitsuba arc. |
ToukaOct 19, 2009 11:38 AM
Touka said: He appears in the arc, but is not the focus of the arcProselyt said: Touka said: They are only comic relief characters, you can't make a serious arc with them. There won't be a serious Gori-arc either.Actually, why did Sorachi focus on Tsukuyo when we already have two long established ninjas? I demand focus on Zenzo and Sa-chan! You say that but Zenzo is actually in the current arc. Touka said: There is an enormous difference. Gintoki and Shinpachi (i think Kagura would have been an even better example for your point) are so called round characters and therefore can be both comical and dramatic. Sa-chan and Zenzo (to a far lesser extent Gori-san) have been reduced to plain, nearly one-line-only sub-characters by the author's effort. For a serious plot you need unspoiled sub-characters (normally new ones are introduced), but this time we had luck and an already introduced character was used (for which reason this person's chances of dying are now near to zero - a new one would have had 50-50). Also, pretty much every character in Gintama is there for comic relief if you want to put it that way. 95% is Gintoki's screen time is pure comedy, and Shinpachi is there for punchlines and jokes, yet he is in serious arcs and is able to show his serious side. There is no difference between him and Zenzo or him and Sa-chan except that he is a main character and they are side characters. Touka said: I was fully aware of this, but Itou arc was not focused on Kondo.The potential is definitely there so don't tell me they could never be in a serious arc. Also, if by Gori-arc you are referring to Kondo then you're forgetting about the Itou arc. |
Proselyt said: He appears in the arc, but is not the focus of the arc That's not the point. The point is he is essentially a comic relief character and he is in a serious arc. Mission accomplished. Proselyt said: There is an enormous difference. Gintoki and Shinpachi (i think Kagura would have been an even better example for your point) are so called round characters and therefore can be both comical and dramatic. Sa-chan and Zenzo (to a far lesser extent Gori-san) have been reduced to plain, nearly one-line-only sub-characters by the author's effort. For a serious plot you need unspoiled sub-characters (normally new ones are introduced), but this time we had luck and an already introduced character was used (for which reason this person's chances of dying are now near to zero - a new one would have had 50-50). A character isn't introduced already fully developed and multi-dimensional. That has to be established and developed along the way. By that reasoning the main gang were pretty much plain characters until the first serious arc, seeing as how they had only been involved in comical situations until then. A completely plain character would be Prince Hata. Someone who has absoutely no other side to him, someone purely there for comedy. As we've seen recently though, Zenzo has more than one dimension to him, and as we saw briefly in the Screwdriver arc the same can be said for Sa-chan. They are by no means plain characters, and as I said before - the potential is definitely there for a serious arc. Take Sakamoto for example. We have not seen him in any serious situations at all, and he has barely been in the series. Whenever he does show up, it's for comic relief. However, he was in Shiroyasha Koutan, and would fit right in if a serious arc set during the amanto invasion were to be made. Sa-chan and Zenzo are like Sakamoto in that they are comic relief characters, but they have the backstory and attributes necessary to fit in a serious arc. Prince Hata on the other hand can't be in a serious arc because he has no other dimensions to him nor the backstory or past events to support it. A story that displays his serious side and adds those other dimensions to his character could easily be made up however, it's not that hard. All that's needed for any serious arc is a story relating to the characters that enables them to manifest their serious personality. |
ToukaOct 19, 2009 1:42 PM
| That's a good point you make. Indeed the main gang was pretty much plain characters until the first serious arc. Sakamoto is really arc-material (as in the 'movie'), while being comic-relief-only.(Thereby disproving my logic) However, although one can think of a serious arc focusing on a one-dimensional comic relief character like Baka-oji or Sa-chan, the construction of such an arc would be more difficult and it would be less convincing. Therefore it's a good thing that such is left aside and first-rate arcs are chosen. |
| I agree, a serious arc on Prince Hata would be a bit much but I don't think Sa-chan is one dimensional, or at least there is potential for her not to be. Her backstory about being brought up and trained by Zenzo would make an interesting arc. I don't think it would be too difficult to construct such an arc, Sorachi is full of ideas, and I also don't think it would be less convincing either. The first proper serious arc wasn't less convincing at all, in fact it was one of the best in my opinion. I think it would be good to focus on other characters once in a while instead of the main gang all the time, there have been a couple of episodes about the Shinsengumi for example, which have all been great. Gintama has such a huge and amazing cast, I wish Sorachi would explore the characters more. |
| What's Tsukuyo doing out of the kitchen? Jiraiya is a pretty cool guy, too bad he's in a shounen show and won't be allowed to do whatever it is he wants to, despite making sense. Can't just disagree with spirit of Shounen Jump and get away with it. |
| Zzzzzzz. BORING. |
"I'm starting to think mal is run by Xinil generating electricity on a bicycle." - idklol |
| WOO Hattori is back. Although I'd like to see the serious side of Sa-chan as well. |
Life is really simple, but we insist on making it complicated.~ |
| I'm kinda... bored? The episode wasn't bad or anything but the fighting scene was just waaaay too short and the psycho was talking too much, I really dislike him. The other "bad guys" from the other arcs were kinda cool or something but he is just psycho and obsessed -_-" I hope next episode will be better but this is the "worst" arc till now... I hope Gintoki will get some real action scene's :) |
| I AGREE... BORING... AND VERY LAME. |
| What's with the negative comments? O.o Oh well, still liked how much badass this Jiraia can be. Totally LMAO at Hattori. xD |
| I want to see Tsukuyo in more action screentime~ |
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| Mr. Two Face, eh? Lets see how Gintoki's going to kick his ass. |
Beatnik said: Zzzzzzz. BORING. I hear you, man! I sit here and can't actually believe that Gintama sank so low - they adopted every stupid shounen cliche possible in that arc. We've got fed with female inabilty to make things work while actually seing someone, 'she's resolved to protect everyone, but can't accept anyone protecting her' bullshit, crazy villain obsessed over one character making chaos all around, etc. What's worse, you can't actually presume that this is all just a parody or modern deconstruction of the genre. It's just... so generic... it hurts. I'm very dissapointed. Probably fast-forwarding this arc from point on. |
| Wow, this has to be the most action-packed arc yet. |
Beatnik said: Zzzzzzz. BORING. My, my, I never knew mongrel can speak! |
| I was getting a bit bored with all the comedy this season so a serious arc is very welcome. And I like Tsukuyo. |
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| Too much melodrama as always from the "Serious" arcs. Beyond boring. |
| Love this music and episode |
After I Crush Your Dreams...... Your Bones Will Follow...... |
| Harvey Two Face wannabe xD |
| Eh, not really liking this. I don't mind the seriousness, it's just this show seems to have a very skewered view on what makes a strong female character. The "weak because she fell in love" (which is what my subs used) thing annoys me. |
| "Yes, I have been deprived of emotion. But not completely. Whoever did it, botched the job." - Geralt of Rivia |
| I wish the author went with Jiraia challenged Hosen and dying instead of the fire excuse |
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| Never though Henzo would be there to save Gintoki! I wonder if he and Sa-chan would be in this arc since it involves ninja? |
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| Wow this episode set the tone of the arc pretty well. I really do like the new OP and ED though. Really good arc so far! |
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| Rather slow paced but well still pretty decent development! |
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| Nice episode, Gintoki got pretty beaten up then... |
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| look how much Kagura is eating... that's too much rice lmao! damn, that fight scene was awesome! |
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 Too bad he can't flip his kunai for heads and tails like two-face |
zat-bustDec 17, 2014 11:40 AM
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| Holy shit Jiraia is BA as fuck. He literally owned Gintoki and Tsukuyo with his bare hands and kunai. And almost walking as swiftly as ever, like a true ninja. Jiraia saying that Gintoki is the one who "ruined" the "moon" (Tsukuyo). Guess he knows better and maybe he thinks too that Tsukuyo's resolve is shaken when she is with Gintoki. :3 I actually liked how Tsukuyo was thinking about Gin's safety all this while when he was getting injuries from Jiraia's attacks. She cares so much about him. Holy shit, Jiraia still being BA as fuck and he slashed Gintoki so easily. I hate to say this, but I actually like how BA villain Jiraia is. Aw damn, that face Tsukuyo made when Gin was slashed by Jiraia, so much blood coming from Gin..and that face, it almost looked like she was going to cry so much. Poor girl. :( Zenzou's appearance! He was reading JUMP and he pretended that he didn't saw anything but he actually saved them, such bromance <3. Also saw Taka-Tin in the JUMP cover! Did you notice this? LOL. Zenzou should appear frequently from now on. :| Damn, Tsukuyo really cares about Gin so much. Now I'm a fan of her. Poor girl doesn't even know that Gin is still alive and Zenzou saved him. Gin: "Screw that...Screw all of that." Gin: "I'll die before I let that son of a bitch call himself her master." OTPOTPOTPOTPOTPOTP! <3 |
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| Holy shit, that new antagonist is pretty epic, and interesting. But I think he's a bit underestimating Gintoki, which is pretty bad for a ''ultimate fighter''. He didn't saw that Gintoki isn't a random samurai, he is THE Silver-haired Samurai. Gintoki seemed really pissed in that preview. Well, it may be more than just a one-sided crush from Tsukuyo. Or it's just Gintoki protective behaviors. Anyway, Gintoki has a bad habit of dying, then ressurecting by an incredible amount of luck. He shouldn't push that luck to far, or it'll bite him back. |
| «Time is passing so quickly. Right now, I feel like complaining to Einstein. Whether time is slow or fast depends on perception. Relativity theory is so romantic. And so sad.» - Kurisu Makise a.k.a. The Zombie |
| Jiraia seems to be the most evil character yet. It was nice to see Zenzou get some screentime, it's been such a long time. It was slightly disturbing when he was about to make out with the ugly girl though xD Also, Taka-tin on the manga cover! |
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Seductive_Kitty said: I hate "serious" Gintama. If I wanted boring shounen shit, I'd watch Bleach or Naruto. Where's my comedy? :'( There was still humour in this episode like there is in every episode. |
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| Jiraia is just a psychopath, his only goal is to make suffer Tsukuyo. Poor Tsukuyo, the speech when she is attached was harsh. Jiraia looks like Sabrac in "Shakugan no Shana" |
| Loving this arc! Gintoki got badly injured and Tsukuyo is kidnapped. Also the JUMP ninja's back! 5/5 |
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