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Sep 20, 2020 10:18 PM

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Wait so why didn't emilia freak out the same as this episode in the episode where he was in the prison for 3 days? Or did she? I dont remember
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HanashiD4 said:
TheDeedsOfMen said:
Actually, the whole incident with the mabeasts felt unnecessary plot-wise.


It's really relevant though when the snow attracts Great Rabbits to swarm through underneath, but if you talk about Meili's mabeast, then yeah... she could've commanded them to devour Subaru to death. At least, we get to see Meili's threat.

Also, both Meili and Elsa are just doing their own job that are hired by a "client", so I won't consider that they are "villain for the sake of being villain". They are additional obstacle to Subaru, considering them to be an anti-hero. Moreover, Meili carried a dog from the Season 1 which blows my mind about the mabeast incident in the village, so I won't considered it to be "fairly random" in the big picture since I always look at every tiny detail of foreshadowing from Season 1.

As a LN/WN reader, the explanation about them will be answered in second cour, so there's no need to jump to conclusion if Meili is a "random psycho villain" or not... at least, in your opinion.
Even though she has been hired, Meili speaks like a psycho. Not quite as much as Elsa but still to the extent that it is obvious. They give unnecessary villain speeches to show off how many horrific things they have done and intend to do. Level-headed professionals wouldn't act that way. They would carry out their jobs and then retreat without all these speeches. Elsa goes even further and constantly reminds Subaru how she enjoys cutting people open. Characters can be psychos and hired assassins simultaneously and motivated in part by both. Elsa says it very openly.

By "random," I mean that Meili is yet another seemingly unnecessary obstacle that has not added any substance to the story so far. Elsa is the same, though she has appeared more often. There is a real redundancy of villains who have occupied similar roles in the story so far. Related to this, the whole incident with the mabeasts in season 1 dragged the story on needlessly. Sure, there were some character interactions and a few helpful infodumps, but there would have been faster and more effective ways to write it.


Usaka_ said:
TheDeedsOfMen said:



The Decent:

Emilia with the insane expressions and demeanor. I like the idea in principle, but it felt a bit too obvious and overblown. At least make me wonder a bit longer whether she is in her right mind or not


Actually its pretty spot on with reality. The lack of awareness and everything. Read what I posted in a previous post.

Link below.


https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1864846&show=450#msg60737454
I wasn't talking about whether it is realistic or not. I meant that it was too obvious and overblown for the purposes of the narrative. It only took me a split second to realize something was wrong. They should have done it more subtly to make it at least a little more challenging to figure out.
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TheDeedsOfMen said:
HanashiD4 said:


It's really relevant though when the snow attracts Great Rabbits to swarm through underneath, but if you talk about Meili's mabeast, then yeah... she could've commanded them to devour Subaru to death. At least, we get to see Meili's threat.

Also, both Meili and Elsa are just doing their own job that are hired by a "client", so I won't consider that they are "villain for the sake of being villain". They are additional obstacle to Subaru, considering them to be an anti-hero. Moreover, Meili carried a dog from the Season 1 which blows my mind about the mabeast incident in the village, so I won't considered it to be "fairly random" in the big picture since I always look at every tiny detail of foreshadowing from Season 1.

As a LN/WN reader, the explanation about them will be answered in second cour, so there's no need to jump to conclusion if Meili is a "random psycho villain" or not... at least, in your opinion.
Even though she has been hired, Meili speaks like a psycho. Not quite as much as Elsa but still to the extent that it is obvious. They give unnecessary villain speeches to show off how many horrific things they have done and intend to do. Level-headed professionals wouldn't act that way. They would carry out their jobs and then retreat without all these speeches. Elsa goes even further and constantly reminds Subaru how she enjoys cutting people open. Characters can be psychos and hired assassins simultaneously and motivated in part by both. Elsa says it very openly.

By "random," I mean that Meili is yet another seemingly unnecessary obstacle that has not added any substance to the story so far. Elsa is the same, though she has appeared more often. There is a real redundancy of villains who have occupied similar roles in the story so far. Related to this, the whole incident with the mabeasts in season 1 dragged the story on needlessly. Sure, there were some character interactions and a few helpful infodumps, but there would have been faster and more effective ways to write it.


Usaka_ said:


Actually its pretty spot on with reality. The lack of awareness and everything. Read what I posted in a previous post.

Link below.


https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1864846&show=450#msg60737454
I wasn't talking about whether it is realistic or not. I meant that it was too obvious and overblown for the purposes of the narrative. It only took me a split second to realize something was wrong. They should have done it more subtly to make it at least a little more challenging to figure out.


Hmm... ok

If you were the author of Re: Zero, what would be the most efficient way to change the storytelling into something more engaging and subtle in a way that it'll become greater than its original premise?


Also, about the Mabeast incident from season 1.... Honestly, yeah. The mabeast incident from Season 1 could've made it faster and better to buy some time for the Grand Court scene (somewhere Episode 10-11) to establish more worldbuilding and its lore, particularly the long and formal political speech of every Royal Candidates, Priscilla's remark about Subaru's "weak" personality, and Al's questionable interaction with Rem about something familiar to Rem's perspective — which the anime adaptation cut these contents due to its episode limit. That could've hit the mark of subtlety by its tiny detail of exposition.

About Emilia's expression though, I think you'll realize why she acts like that since there is something that provide you more answers about Emilia's eerie behavior in the second cour.

Please do understand also that this show is setting up to be mysterious, so don't jump to the conclusion whenever you feel that some characters are "random". This show is written by Third-Limited Narrative style
HanashiD4Sep 21, 2020 1:38 AM

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HanashiD4 said:
TheDeedsOfMen said:
Even though she has been hired, Meili speaks like a psycho. Not quite as much as Elsa but still to the extent that it is obvious. They give unnecessary villain speeches to show off how many horrific things they have done and intend to do. Level-headed professionals wouldn't act that way. They would carry out their jobs and then retreat without all these speeches. Elsa goes even further and constantly reminds Subaru how she enjoys cutting people open. Characters can be psychos and hired assassins simultaneously and motivated in part by both. Elsa says it very openly.

By "random," I mean that Meili is yet another seemingly unnecessary obstacle that has not added any substance to the story so far. Elsa is the same, though she has appeared more often. There is a real redundancy of villains who have occupied similar roles in the story so far. Related to this, the whole incident with the mabeasts in season 1 dragged the story on needlessly. Sure, there were some character interactions and a few helpful infodumps, but there would have been faster and more effective ways to write it.


I wasn't talking about whether it is realistic or not. I meant that it was too obvious and overblown for the purposes of the narrative. It only took me a split second to realize something was wrong. They should have done it more subtly to make it at least a little more challenging to figure out.


Hmm... ok

If you were the author of Re: Zero, what would be the most efficient way to change the storytelling into something more engaging and subtle in a way that it'll become greater than its original premise?


Also, about the Mabeast incident from season 1.... Honestly, yeah. The mabeast incident from Season 1 could've made it faster and better to buy some time for the Grand Court scene (somewhere Episode 10-11) to establish more worldbuilding and its lore, particularly the long and formal political speech of every Royal Candidates, Priscilla's remark about Subaru's "weak" personality, and Al's questionable interaction with Rem about something familiar to Rem's perspective — which the anime adaptation cut these contents due to its episode limit. That could've hit the mark of subtlety by its tiny detail of exposition.



You don't even need those scenes to explain about Meily or even Elsa, characters here are rarely one a done or do random things, so let the anime handle this.

People always jump conclusions too fast with Re:Zero characters, that is the beauty of having so many loops.

And the Emilia complaint is weird, this series blue-ball thousand of answers for so long but gets critcized for not stretching another situation to the endless ones we already have?
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foxyahoo said:
HanashiD4 said:


Hmm... ok

If you were the author of Re: Zero, what would be the most efficient way to change the storytelling into something more engaging and subtle in a way that it'll become greater than its original premise?


Also, about the Mabeast incident from season 1.... Honestly, yeah. The mabeast incident from Season 1 could've made it faster and better to buy some time for the Grand Court scene (somewhere Episode 10-11) to establish more worldbuilding and its lore, particularly the long and formal political speech of every Royal Candidates, Priscilla's remark about Subaru's "weak" personality, and Al's questionable interaction with Rem about something familiar to Rem's perspective — which the anime adaptation cut these contents due to its episode limit. That could've hit the mark of subtlety by its tiny detail of exposition.



You don't even need those scenes to explain about Meily or even Elsa, characters here are rarely one a done or do random things, so let the anime handle this.

People always jump conclusions too fast with Re:Zero characters, that is the beauty of having so many loops.

And the Emilia complaint is weird, this series blue-ball thousand of answers for so long but gets critcized for not stretching another situation to the endless ones we already have?



Ill tag on to here as well.
I totlly agree that complaint is crazy.

1st of all shes set up house in the grave. What more do you really need to tell you shes fliped her lid? How did you plan on hiding that fact? Even without her saying a word we already know she's slipping. Besides there is no reason to make it a subtle thing. It would defeat the purpose of having her there to begin with. Outside of her being in there. Your first clue right off the bat is shes awake and chilling in the room ther, not unconscious as taking the trial. Shes literally just hanging out.
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The day was a nice one, Subaru with his conviction has set out to save the mansion, he left a letter for Emilia and Garfiel let Subaru take his leave. All is well!
But... Reality is often disappointing...
I don't know if Beatrice knows of Subaru's "Return by death ability" but it feels as if she does, but I digress. She has been longing for her contract to be abolished so that she may be set free or if nothing else, she wanted to die. What a way to greet someone, as if it's not bad enough, Elsa arrived bringing the and news that the village was attacked, and what rubs the salt in the wound is that one of the girls Subaru played with turns out to be this devil brat who was willing to kill her own friend.

Beatrice got what she wanted, but really, not what she deserved. This is not how she should die if she should even die at all!

Now I am not sure why Elsa didn't just kill Subaru. Only to beat him up and slash one of his eye out.
Why did Elsa spare Subaru???
And why did he wake up back in the sanctuary??? (Actually, I'm gonna assume that Beatrice teleported him back here)
What is Roswaal's true objective, the only 1 thing he wanted to accomplish for him to do all these things?
Why did Roswaal bother to beat up Subaru and not just kill him? Venting his anger, just as how he killed both Ram and Garfiel???
WHY?!
When I think about some the QNs above, it's easy to answer what happened, but not why it has to happen...

They're just so many damn questions floating around my head right now. I'm not sure if it was just me or if they adapted tons of material into this 1 ep, but there is no doubt that this ep is immensely impactful. So much so that it's aggravating having to wait for the next ep to be released!

Above all things that really made this day a nightmare is what has happened to Emilia. I thought that was Satella, but then I thought Satella possessed her body or mind or something, right? Now, it was just Emilia with a broken mind. If Subaru is any better, he would endlessly attempt to make Emilia snap out of it and get back together, but the sate he's in... It's the worst state he's ever been in whilst still being alive for a long period of time.
There's nothing he could do but just embrace the cold warmth from the now broken Emilia.

What a depressing episode...
To the future me who have read the LN up to this volume. Yeah, I know the LN is probably significantly more violent and depressing
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Why did Roswaal bother to beat up Subaru and not just kill him?
Because Roswaal does not know how Subaru's ability works. He knows that Subaru can change the past but does not know how exactly. He beat him to force him to use that ability and change the past.
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Because Roswaal does not know how Subaru's ability works. He knows that Subaru can change the past but does not know how exactly. He beat him to force him to use that ability and change the past.


Welp, now that you've explained it. That whole scene feels comical.
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Wait so why didn't emilia freak out the same as this episode in the episode where he was in the prison for 3 days? Or did she? I dont remember


Because she wasn't isolated from everyone. She was worried but she was assured by Otto that Subaru was okay because he lied to her. Also, Subaru comforted her after the trial and she was ready to take it again. In this loop, he left immediately and only left behind a letter that was stolen by someone suspicious.

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ShadowkillZ_ said:
The day was a nice one, Subaru with his conviction has set out to save the mansion, he left a letter for Emilia and Garfiel let Subaru take his leave. All is well!
But... Reality is often disappointing...
I don't know if Beatrice knows of Subaru's "Return by death ability" but it feels as if she does, but I digress. She has been longing for her contract to be abolished so that she may be set free or if nothing else, she wanted to die. What a way to greet someone, as if it's not bad enough, Elsa arrived bringing the and news that the village was attacked, and what rubs the salt in the wound is that one of the girls Subaru played with turns out to be this devil brat who was willing to kill her own friend.

Beatrice got what she wanted, but really, not what she deserved. This is not how she should die if she should even die at all!

Now I am not sure why Elsa didn't just kill Subaru. Only to beat him up and slash one of his eye out.
Why did Elsa spare Subaru???
And why did he wake up back in the sanctuary??? (Actually, I'm gonna assume that Beatrice teleported him back here)
What is Roswaal's true objective, the only 1 thing he wanted to accomplish for him to do all these things?
Why did Roswaal bother to beat up Subaru and not just kill him? Venting his anger, just as how he killed both Ram and Garfiel???
WHY?!
When I think about some the QNs above, it's easy to answer what happened, but not why it has to happen...

They're just so many damn questions floating around my head right now. I'm not sure if it was just me or if they adapted tons of material into this 1 ep, but there is no doubt that this ep is immensely impactful. So much so that it's aggravating having to wait for the next ep to be released!

Above all things that really made this day a nightmare is what has happened to Emilia. I thought that was Satella, but then I thought Satella possessed her body or mind or something, right? Now, it was just Emilia with a broken mind. If Subaru is any better, he would endlessly attempt to make Emilia snap out of it and get back together, but the sate he's in... It's the worst state he's ever been in whilst still being alive for a long period of time.
There's nothing he could do but just embrace the cold warmth from the now broken Emilia.

What a depressing episode...
To the future me who have read the LN up to this volume. Yeah, I know the LN is probably significantly more violent and depressing


1) In the break time series Elsa said that she didn't like the look in Subaru's eyes because it was as if he wasn't afraid of death. Like he was numb to it or expected it.

2) She was going to kill him

3) All of the times he's been teleported back to the sanctuary leads me to believe that it's because of Echidna since it's her sanctuary

4) Roswaal's true objective was mentioned in S1 off-handedly. He wants to kill the dragon. Why? No one knows (I'm not an LN/WN reader)

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Subaru: this is so far a good start
Also Subaru: there is no good start.
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Can anybody give me the link of volume 12 ?
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ChainxBastard said:
ShadowkillZ_ said:
The day was a nice one, Subaru with his conviction has set out to save the mansion, he left a letter for Emilia and Garfiel let Subaru take his leave. All is well!
But... Reality is often disappointing...
I don't know if Beatrice knows of Subaru's "Return by death ability" but it feels as if she does, but I digress. She has been longing for her contract to be abolished so that she may be set free or if nothing else, she wanted to die. What a way to greet someone, as if it's not bad enough, Elsa arrived bringing the and news that the village was attacked, and what rubs the salt in the wound is that one of the girls Subaru played with turns out to be this devil brat who was willing to kill her own friend.

Beatrice got what she wanted, but really, not what she deserved. This is not how she should die if she should even die at all!

Now I am not sure why Elsa didn't just kill Subaru. Only to beat him up and slash one of his eye out.
Why did Elsa spare Subaru???
And why did he wake up back in the sanctuary??? (Actually, I'm gonna assume that Beatrice teleported him back here)
What is Roswaal's true objective, the only 1 thing he wanted to accomplish for him to do all these things?
Why did Roswaal bother to beat up Subaru and not just kill him? Venting his anger, just as how he killed both Ram and Garfiel???
WHY?!
When I think about some the QNs above, it's easy to answer what happened, but not why it has to happen...

They're just so many damn questions floating around my head right now. I'm not sure if it was just me or if they adapted tons of material into this 1 ep, but there is no doubt that this ep is immensely impactful. So much so that it's aggravating having to wait for the next ep to be released!

Above all things that really made this day a nightmare is what has happened to Emilia. I thought that was Satella, but then I thought Satella possessed her body or mind or something, right? Now, it was just Emilia with a broken mind. If Subaru is any better, he would endlessly attempt to make Emilia snap out of it and get back together, but the sate he's in... It's the worst state he's ever been in whilst still being alive for a long period of time.
There's nothing he could do but just embrace the cold warmth from the now broken Emilia.

What a depressing episode...
To the future me who have read the LN up to this volume. Yeah, I know the LN is probably significantly more violent and depressing


1) In the break time series Elsa said that she didn't like the look in Subaru's eyes because it was as if he wasn't afraid of death. Like he was numb to it or expected it.

2) She was going to kill him

3) All of the times he's been teleported back to the sanctuary leads me to believe that it's because of Echidna since it's her sanctuary

4) Roswaal's true objective was mentioned in S1 off-handedly. He wants to kill the dragon. Why? No one knows (I'm not an LN/WN reader)



I'm half-novel reader, cause i just read until the released Anime episode, after to watch the episode.

So doing like this, mostly of time you can't see any spoiler, but a better explanation of everything.

By the books, Roswaal is like a Echidna Cultist, he is strictly following every step dictated by his book Tome of Truth (we just know that it was part of Echidna's Library).

Also, unlike Ryuzu Bilma, Beatrice, or even Emilia/Puck, Ros has not an old age. He is just regular youth human, even with his powers, and he inherit everything from his family.

That said, it is difficult to understand why he seems to represent a big player in this game with a great will, since by that facts he should be just a tool of the book (or why not, a tool of Echidda deathwish). There is still one last thing the plot must reveal to us about him:

- What is his final objective, his endgame, that he is forbidden to tell.
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HanashiD4 said:
TheDeedsOfMen said:
Even though she has been hired, Meili speaks like a psycho. Not quite as much as Elsa but still to the extent that it is obvious. They give unnecessary villain speeches to show off how many horrific things they have done and intend to do. Level-headed professionals wouldn't act that way. They would carry out their jobs and then retreat without all these speeches. Elsa goes even further and constantly reminds Subaru how she enjoys cutting people open. Characters can be psychos and hired assassins simultaneously and motivated in part by both. Elsa says it very openly.

By "random," I mean that Meili is yet another seemingly unnecessary obstacle that has not added any substance to the story so far. Elsa is the same, though she has appeared more often. There is a real redundancy of villains who have occupied similar roles in the story so far. Related to this, the whole incident with the mabeasts in season 1 dragged the story on needlessly. Sure, there were some character interactions and a few helpful infodumps, but there would have been faster and more effective ways to write it.


I wasn't talking about whether it is realistic or not. I meant that it was too obvious and overblown for the purposes of the narrative. It only took me a split second to realize something was wrong. They should have done it more subtly to make it at least a little more challenging to figure out.


Hmm... ok

If you were the author of Re: Zero, what would be the most efficient way to change the storytelling into something more engaging and subtle in a way that it'll become greater than its original premise?
Short of massively re-writing the whole thing, it would help if the characters were more subdued with their expressions and lines. To build up the mystery and horror atmosphere and leave the audience guessing a bit more. It is a common anime / LN thing though.

If we really start re-writing, then cut some of the smaller mysteries and time loops to spare time for the big central mysteries. Cut a few of the side villains and other side characters too if they end up with too little to do.

About the Emilia scene specifically, look below.

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Ill tag on to here as well.
I totlly agree that complaint is crazy.

1st of all shes set up house in the grave. What more do you really need to tell you shes fliped her lid? How did you plan on hiding that fact? Even without her saying a word we already know she's slipping. Besides there is no reason to make it a subtle thing. It would defeat the purpose of having her there to begin with. Outside of her being in there. Your first clue right off the bat is shes awake and chilling in the room ther, not unconscious as taking the trial. Shes literally just hanging out.
It is not like there is a pressing reason to write it so that she is waiting at the grave. She could be waiting alone in any building. For the rest, just tone down her expressions for thirty seconds or so and have her speak more normally at first before gradually cranking it up. I don't mind you disagreeing, but I don't see why this is so controversial. Isn't it just normal writing in the horror genre?

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About Emilia's expression though, I think you'll realize why she acts like that since there is something that provide you more answers about Emilia's eerie behavior in the second cour.
Well, yeah, but I'm pretty sure I'll see it in the novel before then.

HanashiD4 said:
Please do understand also that this show is setting up to be mysterious, so don't jump to the conclusion whenever you feel that some characters are "random". This show is written by Third-Limited Narrative style

foxyahoo said:
You don't even need those scenes to explain about Meily or even Elsa, characters here are rarely one a done or do random things, so let the anime handle this.

People always jump conclusions too fast with Re:Zero characters, that is the beauty of having so many loops.
Fair, but I am not expecting an awful lot out of Elsa, at least. Maybe there will be some twist that overturns it eventually; who knows. I don't expect too much out of Meili either based on the precedent that similar twists haven't happened so far. Again, could be wrong though.

foxyahoo said:
And the Emilia complaint is weird, this series blue-ball thousand of answers for so long but gets critcized for not stretching another situation to the endless ones we already have?
But the Emilia scene was interesting, so I would have preferred spending a few more minutes to it. The scenes I'd like to shorten are different ones.

HanashiD4 said:
Also, about the Mabeast incident from season 1.... Honestly, yeah. The mabeast incident from Season 1 could've made it faster and better to buy some time for the Grand Court scene (somewhere Episode 10-11) to establish more worldbuilding and its lore, particularly the long and formal political speech of every Royal Candidates, Priscilla's remark about Subaru's "weak" personality, and Al's questionable interaction with Rem about something familiar to Rem's perspective — which the anime adaptation cut these contents due to its episode limit. That could've hit the mark of subtlety by its tiny detail of exposition.
Yes, I would have cut some of the mansion arc and beefed up the scenes about the royal selection. The latter was obviously very rushed compared to the LN as well. Volume 4 was easily one of the best ones and that's the one they rushed even more than usually.

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Never ever trying to explain things to a guy with Mean Score of 4.
More like a 6 for light novels though! Better in the source material and all that.

Besides, I even gave the episode 4/5 in the poll. Come on.
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More like a 6 for light novels though! Better in the source material and all that.

Besides, I even gave the episode 4/5 in the poll. Come on.


Your score system is insane and makes no sense. You have really issues im talking outside of Re:Zero. Why you even watch anime? If you like watching anime why you have so low score on every show. Makes no sense.

You think you are important or something when giving shows bad score? Reality no one cares you.

That's why i told
"Never ever try to explain things to guy with Mean Score of 4"

Because you are beyond unhelpable.

Don't feed the troll, just ignore.
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Okeanix said:
TheDeedsOfMen said:
More like a 6 for light novels though! Better in the source material and all that.

Besides, I even gave the episode 4/5 in the poll. Come on.


Your score system is insane and makes no sense. You have really issues im talking outside of Re:Zero. Why you even watch anime? If you like watching anime why you have so low score on every show. Makes no sense.

You think you are important or something when giving shows bad score? Reality no one cares you.

That's why i told
"Never ever try to explain things to guy with Mean Score of 4"

Because you are beyond unhelpable.

Don't feed the troll, just ignore.
Sure, I'll use my psychic powers to infer beforehand whether a series is bad. Then there's no need to read or watch anything bad. That's how it works.
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Sure, I'll use my psychic powers to infer beforehand whether a series is bad. Then there's no need to read or watch anything bad. That's how it works.

Then why you watch 3 seasons of bad show?

Exposed.
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Okeanix said:
TheDeedsOfMen said:
Sure, I'll use my psychic powers to infer beforehand whether a series is bad. Then there's no need to read or watch anything bad. That's how it works.

Then why you watch 3 seasons of bad show?

Exposed.
There have been some series I have watched ironically. I said as much in my profile ages ago. It shouldn't be that surprising even without saying it out loud.

Do you really not get it when people watch a show for laughs? It is practically a national pastime on MAL.
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Nurguburu said:
At least Subaru did not turn out to be eaten to death by the rabbits, his death in this loop was more painless physically. I know that Elsa was not going to die after that attack but I don't know how she managed to survive lmao. Insane Emilia, Roswaal killing Ram and Garfield, and Elsa and Meili killing everyone. Probably the second terrifying episode since the second season began.


I think you're wrong about his death being painless. He was bashed over the head by Elsa. Then she poked his eye with her blade. Then he's beaten half to death by Roswaal. Also the rabits took hundreds of bites out of him before he lies in Ameila's lap and finally bleeds out right after she kisses him. And thats just the physical side. The mental side adds Ameila's state to his psychological state ontop of everything else. Im sure his guilt for her condition didn't help the situation at all.


Yeah, I know, I was talking that he died peacefully with Emilia by his side and not as violently as in other loops. Really sad if u ask me.
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Even though she has been hired, Meili speaks like a psycho. Not quite as much as Elsa but still to the extent that it is obvious. They give unnecessary villain speeches to show off how many horrific things they have done and intend to do. Level-headed professionals wouldn't act that way. They would carry out their jobs and then retreat without all these speeches. Elsa goes even further and constantly reminds Subaru how she enjoys cutting people open. Characters can be psychos and hired assassins simultaneously and motivated in part by both. Elsa says it very openly.

By "random," I mean that Meili is yet another seemingly unnecessary obstacle that has not added any substance to the story so far. Elsa is the same, though she has appeared more often. There is a real redundancy of villains who have occupied similar roles in the story so far. Related to this, the whole incident with the mabeasts in season 1 dragged the story on needlessly. Sure, there were some character interactions and a few helpful infodumps, but there would have been faster and more effective ways to write it.


I wasn't talking about whether it is realistic or not. I meant that it was too obvious and overblown for the purposes of the narrative. It only took me a split second to realize something was wrong. They should have done it more subtly to make it at least a little more challenging to figure out.


Hmm... ok

If you were the author of Re: Zero, what would be the most efficient way to change the storytelling into something more engaging and subtle in a way that it'll become greater than its original premise?
Short of massively re-writing the whole thing, it would help if the characters were more subdued with their expressions and lines. To build up the mystery and horror atmosphere and leave the audience guessing a bit more. It is a common anime / LN thing though.

If we really start re-writing, then cut some of the smaller mysteries and time loops to spare time for the big central mysteries. Cut a few of the side villains and other side characters too if they end up with too little to do.

About the Emilia scene specifically, look below.

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I totlly agree that complaint is crazy.

1st of all shes set up house in the grave. What more do you really need to tell you shes fliped her lid? How did you plan on hiding that fact? Even without her saying a word we already know she's slipping. Besides there is no reason to make it a subtle thing. It would defeat the purpose of having her there to begin with. Outside of her being in there. Your first clue right off the bat is shes awake and chilling in the room ther, not unconscious as taking the trial. Shes literally just hanging out.

It is not like there is a pressing reason to write it so that she is waiting at the grave. She could be waiting alone in any building. For the rest, just tone down her expressions for thirty seconds or so and have her speak more normally at first before gradually cranking it up. I don't mind you disagreeing, but I don't see why this is so controversial. Isn't it just normal writing in the horror genre?

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And the Emilia complaint is weird, this series blue-ball thousand of answers for so long but gets critcized for not stretching another situation to the endless ones we already have?
But the Emilia scene was interesting, so I would have preferred spending a few more minutes to it. The scenes I'd like to shorten are different ones.


Im going to hit on the 2 topic above out of this discussion at the same time.


What I like about the Emilia scene is that it is real to life. Her reaction is exactly what you would get from a real person in the state she's in. The individual will respond as soon as they notice you. The reaction can be different everything from fear to happiness depending on what that individual happens to perceive the individual as during their current state and at that moment. As for Subaru whom Emilia is waiting for, its a state of delusional happiness. Even though to us its twisted, in her mind she thinks she's normal. This is all part of what it is to be in her state. The only way to stretch the scene before she responds is to have her not notice Subaru. Being that there is only one door and she's facing it, this isn't going to happen when he steps through it. As for her talking normally at first...she isn't going to do that in this state. No way shape or form. She isn't in her right mind, therefore normal responses to people persons or even objects is out of the question. Anime or not the studio has done a brilliant job of portraying feelings throughout the season and a half and to go against that would be dumb in itself. Having someone talk normal then crazy would make it seem like they cracked during the 2 statements. This just doesn't happen unless your torturing someone yourself and cause them to break.

As for being in the grave: Roswaal made it snow so the people would blame Emilia, with Subaru gone and everyone after her for the snow, she goes into the grave to take the trial, over and over again and again until she passed it. Furthermore shes basically trapped in the grave between people after her head and her duty to compete the trial. Also shes feeling abandoned and trapped without Subaru since Puck isn't responding to her calls. Subaru being the only one she feels can lean on for support. Therefore forcing herself to take the trial over and over till she passed it is her only option for getting out of her current situation. unfortunately she cracked before she successfully completed the trial. Once she breaks mentally there is no leaving the grave to wait for Subaru to hopefully show up, she's nolonger capable of rational thought and sits waiting. Her break into a manic state is brought on by Subaru's sudden appearance. Its not thst she was thinking rationally and saying to her self "let's just wait here until Subaru shows up" she's just there at this point. Im sure her broken mind was not thinking anyone was going to walk in that door. She may have been wanting Subaru to show up but without the note he left she had zero idea where he was or even if he would return. Not being capable of rational thought takes a lot of options out of the picture.
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Usaka_ said:


I think you're wrong about his death being painless. He was bashed over the head by Elsa. Then she poked his eye with her blade. Then he's beaten half to death by Roswaal. Also the rabits took hundreds of bites out of him before he lies in Ameila's lap and finally bleeds out right after she kisses him. And thats just the physical side. The mental side adds Ameila's state to his psychological state ontop of everything else. Im sure his guilt for her condition didn't help the situation at all.


Yeah, I know, I was talking that he died peacefully with Emilia by his side and not as violently as in other loops. Really sad if u ask me.


Ok yea i see where you're coming from. Although im not sure how peaceful his mind really was after suffering through that loop. Especially with Emilia in her current state being his last view and her kiss just before he died. But yea it wasnt a violent death for once, just everything leading up to it.
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Broken Emilia, she lost her mind 🥴
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Ok yea i see where you're coming from. Although im not sure how peaceful his mind really was after suffering through that loop. Especially with Emilia in her current state being his last view and her kiss just before he died. But yea it wasnt a violent death for once, just everything leading up to it.

I'm not sure about if the LN changed that, but the WN described that Subaru simply wanted to end it all with the one he loves.

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Usaka_ said:
Im going to hit on the 2 topic above out of this discussion at the same time.


What I like about the Emilia scene is that it is real to life. Her reaction is exactly what you would get from a real person in the state she's in. The individual will respond as soon as they notice you. The reaction can be different everything from fear to happiness depending on what that individual happens to perceive the individual as during their current state and at that moment. As for Subaru whom Emilia is waiting for, its a state of delusional happiness. Even though to us its twisted, in her mind she thinks she's normal. This is all part of what it is to be in her state. The only way to stretch the scene before she responds is to have her not notice Subaru. Being that there is only one door and she's facing it, this isn't going to happen when he steps through it. As for her talking normally at first...she isn't going to do that in this state. No way shape or form. She isn't in her right mind, therefore normal responses to people persons or even objects is out of the question. Anime or not the studio has done a brilliant job of portraying feelings throughout the season and a half and to go against that would be dumb in itself. Having someone talk normal then crazy would make it seem like they cracked during the 2 statements. This just doesn't happen unless your torturing someone yourself and cause them to break.

As for being in the grave: Roswaal made it snow so the people would blame Emilia, with Subaru gone and everyone after her for the snow, she goes into the grave to take the trial, over and over again and again until she passed it. Furthermore shes basically trapped in the grave between people after her head and her duty to compete the trial. Also shes feeling abandoned and trapped without Subaru since Puck isn't responding to her calls. Subaru being the only one she feels can lean on for support. Therefore forcing herself to take the trial over and over till she passed it is her only option for getting out of her current situation. unfortunately she cracked before she successfully completed the trial. Once she breaks mentally there is no leaving the grave to wait for Subaru to hopefully show up, she's nolonger capable of rational thought and sits waiting. Her break into a manic state is brought on by Subaru's sudden appearance. Its not thst she was thinking rationally and saying to her self "let's just wait here until Subaru shows up" she's just there at this point. Im sure her broken mind was not thinking anyone was going to walk in that door. She may have been wanting Subaru to show up but without the note he left she had zero idea where he was or even if he would return. Not being capable of rational thought takes a lot of options out of the picture.
Yeah, I understood you were going those points. The alternative is to write her as slightly less crazy so that she still has a bit of rationality left and can try to hide the worst of it. That's what I would have gone for as the author. We just have slightly different tastes in horror and psychology. And I still think the scene was pretty good anyway, even as it is.
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This is by far the best episode this show has produced. Echidna is easily best girl of this season.
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Usaka_ said:
Ok yea i see where you're coming from. Although im not sure how peaceful his mind really was after suffering through that loop. Especially with Emilia in her current state being his last view and her kiss just before he died. But yea it wasnt a violent death for once, just everything leading up to it.

I'm not sure about if the LN changed that, but the WN described that Subaru simply wanted to end it all with the one he loves.



Cool. Thanks for posting.
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Usaka_ said:
Im going to hit on the 2 topic above out of this discussion at the same time.


What I like about the Emilia scene is that it is real to life. Her reaction is exactly what you would get from a real person in the state she's in. The individual will respond as soon as they notice you. The reaction can be different everything from fear to happiness depending on what that individual happens to perceive the individual as during their current state and at that moment. As for Subaru whom Emilia is waiting for, its a state of delusional happiness. Even though to us its twisted, in her mind she thinks she's normal. This is all part of what it is to be in her state. The only way to stretch the scene before she responds is to have her not notice Subaru. Being that there is only one door and she's facing it, this isn't going to happen when he steps through it. As for her talking normally at first...she isn't going to do that in this state. No way shape or form. She isn't in her right mind, therefore normal responses to people persons or even objects is out of the question. Anime or not the studio has done a brilliant job of portraying feelings throughout the season and a half and to go against that would be dumb in itself. Having someone talk normal then crazy would make it seem like they cracked during the 2 statements. This just doesn't happen unless your torturing someone yourself and cause them to break.

As for being in the grave: Roswaal made it snow so the people would blame Emilia, with Subaru gone and everyone after her for the snow, she goes into the grave to take the trial, over and over again and again until she passed it. Furthermore shes basically trapped in the grave between people after her head and her duty to compete the trial. Also shes feeling abandoned and trapped without Subaru since Puck isn't responding to her calls. Subaru being the only one she feels can lean on for support. Therefore forcing herself to take the trial over and over till she passed it is her only option for getting out of her current situation. unfortunately she cracked before she successfully completed the trial. Once she breaks mentally there is no leaving the grave to wait for Subaru to hopefully show up, she's nolonger capable of rational thought and sits waiting. Her break into a manic state is brought on by Subaru's sudden appearance. Its not thst she was thinking rationally and saying to her self "let's just wait here until Subaru shows up" she's just there at this point. Im sure her broken mind was not thinking anyone was going to walk in that door. She may have been wanting Subaru to show up but without the note he left she had zero idea where he was or even if he would return. Not being capable of rational thought takes a lot of options out of the picture.
Yeah, I understood you were going those points. The alternative is to write her as slightly less crazy so that she still has a bit of rationality left and can try to hide the worst of it. That's what I would have gone for as the author. We just have slightly different tastes in horror and psychology. And I still think the scene was pretty good anyway, even as it is.


I had typed out a lengthy reply but the site trashed it when I submitted it to post so ill just say this....

From the point that Subaru is teleported back to Sanctuary everything he sees and experiences, Emilia's broken state, Roswaal killing Ram and Garfiel, and Roswaal beating Subaru were all to get subaru to focuse on 1 objective. Protecting Emilia. Getting him to forget everyone at the Mansion, forget anything else and to focus soly on Emilia. Its the reason Roswaal creats the snow turning everyone against Emilia. Because he knows that she will run to the tomb and attempt to complete the trial over and over in order to free everyone to get out of her current situation. She does this because Subaru isn't there to protect her. And Roswaal knows this will break her. Forcing Subaru to use his power and then focus on her and her alone because of the state he finds her in. You cant do that if shes not quite broken. Because that looks like a normal sane person under a lot of stress. It doesn't look anywhere like what we see here. Subtle just doesnt work in this situation. It has to be a major kick in his gut for his failure.
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Is this the new best episode or is it just me?


At this moment, it is the 2nd best rated episode of this season, only behind the Ep. 8 "I know".


IMHO this "harufu"-season have an average of much better episodes than the 1st season, but at the same time none episode topped Season I eps. 15 and 18.


Btw, as tribute of this EPIC episode 11, one of the best memes of Re:Zero of this season:




Sadistic, indeed.
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Jesus that was a mind-bender of an episode o_O
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Words cannot describe how much I have Roswaal for killing Ram like that. Ram loved and believed in him and yet he killed her like she was nothing. Ram deserves so much better. I hope she finds someone else to love in the future.

Poor Emilia and Beatrice too. Both mentally broken in different ways.

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You know sometimes this show is pretty good. Subaru is good, all is good. And then, I don't know how I don't know why, but the show surprises me again and again with the amount of mental retardation it gives to Subaru. It's just...so goddamn infuriating. It hurts my brain. Makes me want to drop the show right then and there.
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WTF, Subaru. I hope you figure this shit out so I don't have to keep reading the novel/can start at a different chapter in it. Emilia looking yandere.

Interesting info about Beatriz in this episode. (I forget if I read where the novel mentions Beatriz knew Echidna. Only found that out now. Poor Bea.)

Roswaal too overpowered. (Blend Subaru meme made me laugh a bit.)
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well, that was intense.......
totally was not expecting such revelations
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Great episode. Roswall really didn't understand how RBD works so he tried to force subaru rewinding the time. But i'm actually a little bit interested for what roswall mean by "smart"
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Beatrice: Please, I want to die!

Elsa: Allow me to introduce myself.

Also, Roswald might be the most mysterious anime character ever, I can never read that dude.
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I'm so lost. I watched the first 5 minutes and I'm so confused,

why are subaru and beatrice so close? from what I remember they only talked a few times in the first season and most of the second season's dialogue was in subaru's past lives.
So why is it like the peak of a 200 episodes drama anime?
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This episode was weird. Beatrice felt as if she was a completely different character; Roswaal out of blue started to kick Subaru; Emilia looked and acted like Satella (her eyes are truly beautiful, by the way). I'm confused, but perhaps further episodes will still some more about what happened in this one.
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This episode was weird. Beatrice felt as if she was a completely different character; Roswaal out of blue started to kick Subaru; Emilia looked and acted like Satella (her eyes are truly beautiful, by the way). I'm confused, but perhaps further episodes will still some more about what happened in this one.
As for Beatrice it might seems she acted differently, but she really had enough of pain, fear, suffering, everything.

As for Roswaal, he tried to force Subaru to use his power and redo the past. He does not know that in order to do so Subaru has to die.
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As for Beatrice it might seems she acted differently, but she really had enough of pain, fear, suffering, everything.

Yes, I understood that this was the reason behind Beatrice's behaviour, however I think it was shown in kinda too sudden way to show her acting like that near Subaru.

mozgow said:
As for Roswaal, he tried to force Subaru to use his power and redo the past. He does not know that in order to do so Subaru has to die.

Hmm, I assumed that he not only knew about Subaru's ability, but also knew or thought what kind of thing triggers it. It seems I was wrong, haha. Perhaps he thought that Subaru might use his ability whenever he wants to.

Thanks for another post replying to my thoughts about this anime. :)
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this episode was really great, definitely has to be the episode for me with the most unexpecting reveals and events to happen in it, did feel like a slight fever dreamish episode as well.

Really got me with that Beatrice scene, she was my favourite character in season 1 for the first few episodes, until she didn't get the spot light as much. Now this entire episode wrecked my heart for Beatrice, i expected something to be revealed about her, but i didn't expect it to hit me this emotionally.

Roswaal's reveal was such a mind fuck as well, although a decent chunk had already been semi-revealed beforehand, the rest being revealed was just crazy, alongside Emilia's yandere phase that is more scary then it should be to me, Subaru for the 20 minute duration we saw him, definitely did not look like he was having a good time.

Cannot stress how, well atmospheric the final scene was. All they did was a classic gray scale, creepy child's lullaby in the background, but something about an emotionally unstable elf that turns yandere, meeting her beloved who just got another express trip from fucking hell, ignoring the graphical bite marks on him, has a whole new feel i'll tell you that.
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lmao Subaru's stupidity never ceases to amaze me. Just say you're "that person!" and wasn't it painfully obvious that Roswal knew about his rbd at this point? Nevertheless, great episode with a lot of dark moments. Bettyyyyy </3
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What to say... I don't even have the words, this episode was truly a masterpiece, there are still a lot of questions to answer but so far it's incredible
Exactly how I feel.
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Rosswal was always twisted but this was beyond what I imagined...

Betty oh boy I don't have enough words to describe how felt for her, Elsa too fkn strong... how hard is she.
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Subaru suffering part 10/????
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Omg! Does that mean he will permanently lose his other eye? 😭

She got him back. If you understand the characters well enough, you'd know she did!
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Rowsaal was evil after all
and this isn't how i wanted Emelie and Subaru to kiss
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