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| Wow! What an absolutely fascinating little show this is turning into. So many hints and foreshadowing to things going on behind the scenes in the first episode, and this episode just decides to lay all the cards on the table. Love it. Incredible episode. And why am I reminded of Kaiba? |
| Hahaha oh wow this just made the show miles better. |
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Leirza said: Ao_Blue said: I think humans are called Gears. If Gears die, those robot-like things will just replace them. Humans can't basically decide on their own, right? I guess they will be labeled as bugs once they regain consciousness or something. so Kaburagi is basically a human possessed with the robot avatar mind? meanwhile, Natsume still has Human consciousness ? and the previous user of Natsume has already dead? or Natsume... what I'm confused as hell I think, yeah. Human Kaburagi is being controlled by that robot Kaburagi. I guess a chip was not implanted on Natsume in the first place, and was considered dead and a bug. Idk, this episode got me confused too. |
| Not sure if I like this one, the plot is a bit too "out there", like the team behind it was trying too hard to come up with something 'original' and surprising to the premise. But will keep watching for now. |
| Yessss, it got so much better and interesting with this whole thing. I now wish this anime was only about the square minions, I hope we focus more on this side of the story, the characters and environment reminded me instantaneously of Kaiba, so pretty. Can't understand how these many people want to drop the show just cause of a refreshing twist like this, specially in such an uninteresting season like this, the many animes out of the ordinary the better. |
KrattzJul 19, 2020 10:21 PM
| Well, wow, that was a really weird plot twist. So, what are the other creatures, are they aliens, or wtf, are they robots, this is so strange, they live in the planet, but they use Eurasia as a playing field, how does the gears appear and how the humans conceive life there, what they are in this game, wth. What does the system recognize as a bug in a human, a not programmed living being, I think, and why Natsume is supposedly dead. To be honest, I fell like, none if this was in the trailer, neither in the synopsis, the anime sold me one thing and I received another. |
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| - Anpanman and his crew entered the chat Haha, but seriously I am not mad about the progress at all. I was quite suprised at the beginning but it is actually intruiging and might lead to an interesting outcome. But the difference in drawing style is... not my favorite thing. It will keep bugging me, but I personally will not drop because of that. I am interested to see how they will play out this weird difference. The way they did this plot twist was bold though. At the beginning I wasn't sure if I actually had skipped a few episodes. |
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| I think the confusion comes from sheer similarity to AOT, which might still hold true at some point. The next is the twist of reality. What we thought as the real world, Deca-Dence world, and what we thought as the "fake" world, that avatar thingy world, are being switched. Although it does clear up some fogs in regards of Kaburagi and his VR-like view also all about chips and bugs. In short, Deca-dence turns out to be a game world. And the avatar thingy to be the real world. Disappointment comes from us for not buying a "game world" to be something serious. You die, respawn. Will I keep watching it? Yeah, maybe. It's unique after all and it breaking the AOT plot is somewhat refreshing, so yeah, I will keep watching for a little longer. Although I can't take those cute avatar world very seriously because, well, they're cute. They might say "I'll kill you" and I will say "Ohh, how cuteee"... |
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YosepRA said: I think the confusion comes from sheer similarity to AOT, which might still hold true at some point. The next is the twist of reality. What we thought as the real world, Deca-Dence world, and what we thought as the "fake" world, that avatar thingy world, are being switched. Although it does clear up some fogs in regards of Kaburagi and his VR-like view also all about chips and bugs. In short, Deca-dence turns out to be a game world. And the avatar thingy to be the real world. Disappointment comes from us for not buying a "game world" to be something serious. You die, respawn. Will I keep watching it? Yeah, maybe. It's unique after all and it breaking the AOT plot is somewhat refreshing, so yeah, I will keep watching for a little longer. Although I can't take those cute avatar world very seriously because, well, they're cute. They might say "I'll kill you" and I will say "Ohh, how cuteee"... Not really, the only person that can respawn are the male protagonist and the gears, and even so they can be dead out of the game world (that is real, not digital) |
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| More so than by this episode's twist, I'm simply shocked (and disheartened) by how people can't even seem to comprehend simple facts as they were laid out in this episode. Like... come on. Artificial life forms using our real world like some kind of big game safari to replenish their own resources. Humans are endangered animals that are simply being used to maintain the system. Not a difficult concept to grasp. Now the question is whether or not they were the ones responsible for terraforming the Earth or if they are just there to take advantage of the situation. Also, the designs remind me of the Promin/Bugmin from Kamizawa Wonder: https://myanimelist.net/anime/32568/ |
ActarJul 20, 2020 8:50 AM
| This anime took a very different turn than what I was expecting. I'm usually a fan of unique art styles, but to be honest I'm not vibing with the cartoony fruit dudes... Confused so far, but I trust in the team behind this anime to have made something worth sticking with. |
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| I really don't like this twist. The show set up a really good world in episode 1 and now it feels super cheap. |
| hmmmm so this is all just a game huh... not what I wanted but ok. I thought this was gonna be a sci fi centered around the girl, but its actually about how this guy is trying to play this game instead? also he got saved by a bug in the game??? i'm tempted to drop this anime, but i'll watch maybe 1 or 2 eps first |
bastek66 said: Why is everyone saying aliens? Those cartoon avatars might be digital people from before apocalypse. Mind blowing! This type of discussion that should be happening here. |
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| Fem protagonist + cute little robots, the guy character is a cute little robot Nice (>ω<) |
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| This episode was just a little bit "bigger" than i expected, so much new information. But basically everyone who is a Gear has infinite life as long as they take the Oxyone, while Tankers are disposable people and Natsume is not in the system? All of this is very weird, the fact that it's an entertainment show is even weirder...but for sure we will know more in the next episodes. The ED screen reminds me of something...  TTGL! |
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| Deca-Dence starts :"An AoT ripoff" Deca-Dence does something completely different :"Lost interest, dropped" I love this community |
| May our sweet and Merciful Madoka be with you |
| This was one hell of a WTF episode thats for sure, its like fucking samurai flamenco all over again but still, there is some big potential here. I think the big corporation in charge most likely uses the a game concept to get the robots into killing the stuff around them and humans don't need to do anything combat related...I think? And they all have chips in their brains apart from our MC who must have gotten into the ship from the outside maybe? But holy crap man this is quite interesting, don't drop it so early, give it a chance. |
| This took a very unexpected weird turn. And she is ?? This anime has my attention |
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AwesomeAlfie27 said: Deca-Dence starts :"An AoT ripoff" Deca-Dence does something completely different :"Lost interest, dropped" I love this community Ikr,people can´t appreciate a good twist smh.If it wasn´t for the existence of the alien robots i wouldn´t have checked out this anime,but i´m glad this anime decided to take a risk and do something completely different.Now i want to see where this goes. |
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| What the hell happened? I am confused but somehow I know what happened. Last week was promising but I do not like this episode in the slightest. I hope this twist will be a good thing in the end. |
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| This took a strange turn. |
| lmaooo yo what in the Westworld M Night Shyamalan fuck is this. They had us in the 1st episode not gonna lie |
BlufaceBabyJul 21, 2020 5:02 PM
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Atlas77 said: So, what are the other creatures, are they aliens, or wtf, are they robots, this is so strange As shown in episode one: robots. Atlas77 said: they live in the planet, but they use Eurasia as a playing field As shown in beginning of episode two: they live in some kind of space ship above eurasia. Atlas77 said: What does the system recognize as a bug in a human, a not programmed living being The term "bug" is used by the robots / AI as a stand in for "everything that doesn't work / operate / behave as it should". Her being called a "bug" has no further significance. Atlas77 said: and why Natsume is supposedly dead. Most likely because the chip they implanted got damaged during the accident at the beginning of episode one and the robots are doing a really bad job at surveilling the humans beyond that. Atlas77 said: To be honest, I fell like, none if this was in the trailer, neither in the synopsis, the anime sold me one thing and I received another. Makes sense, otherwise it wouldn't have had the impact they wanted it to have. And to be fair, only the part about the Gadoll in the first paragraph of the synopsis is actually false. The rest still applies. |
| I suppose if you are going to pull a Trigger Twist, you may as well do it episode 2. That was unexpected. They definitely almost lost me in the beginning of the episode, but they climbed back up by the end to keep me watching. Seems to be a lot of misunderstanding, though. My understanding is: Deca-Dence - Essentially a VR game to the robots, but is real-life to humans. Robots - Seem to be in control of the world. (absolutely nothing alluded to them being alien, so not sure why everyone has settled on them being aliens) Gears - Human-like avatars the robots control to play the game. Noted difference from a human and gear is their multitude of colorfu unnaturall skin tones (red, blue, green, etc). Humans see them as a race of warriors, not realizing what they are. Rankers - Gears with ranks on the leaderboard. Humans - Straight up humans, but seem to be implanted with a chip that allows them to be monitored, controlled, and removed if necessary. They are essentially NPCs, have no idea they are in a glorified game, and believe their existence is on the edge of extinction in a fight against the Gadolls. Bugs (specifically in regards to humans) - Humans that are problematic or a threat to the integrity of the game. (Calling it now, Natsume's dad was dealt with as a bug, and was not killed by Gadolls) Natsume - She is a "bug" because she has been deemed deceased, most likely due to her injuries in episode one, and essentially they lost track of her. Kaburagi - He's a robot, whom at one time was a top ranked Ranker among the gears, and is now an undercover Gear posing as human so that he can eliminate "bugs" in the system. The Corporation - The corporation. As in all scifi, the corporation is evil. Overall, we still seem to be dealing with a post-apocalyptic/extinction event that has driven humans into near extinction. It just seems it might not be as simple as monsters, and the last bastion of humans. It could get pretty interesting. |
IBloodstormIJul 22, 2020 6:46 AM
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IBloodstormI said: humans ... seem to be implanted with a chip that allows them to be ... controlled This does not seem to be the case, if the robots were able to just control / manipulate the humans as they please then there wouldn't be any reason for them to take out "troublesome individuals" unless the chip itself was damaged. |
Noumu said: IBloodstormI said: humans ... seem to be implanted with a chip that allows them to be ... controlled This does not seem to be the case, if the robots were able to just control / manipulate the humans as they please then there wouldn't be any reason for them to take out "troublesome individuals" unless the chip itself was damaged. I suppose I mean controlled more in the sense of how we control cows, than the control the Gears offer. Though, they do seem to orchestrate their disposal in a way that Kaburagi can extract their chip without making a scene, down to a scheduled time for the removal. I would call that a degree of control, but yeah, not direct control like a puppet. |
IBloodstormIJul 22, 2020 7:34 AM
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| sigh....disappointed how the plot turned ...i was expecting something like what the story presented in first ep with amazing character build and world build .....not this what on earth is this in first place? i mean it's some weird cartoonish creatures playing a virtual game ? the hell is that , the anime went from 8 to 6 or 5 i will try to give it only one more ep ...... |
Noumu said: Atlas77 said: So, what are the other creatures, are they aliens, or wtf, are they robots, this is so strange As shown in episode one: robots. Atlas77 said: they live in the planet, but they use Eurasia as a playing field As shown in beginning of episode two: they live in some kind of space ship above eurasia. Atlas77 said: What does the system recognize as a bug in a human, a not programmed living being The term "bug" is used by the robots / AI as a stand in for "everything that doesn't work / operate / behave as it should". Her being called a "bug" has no further significance. Atlas77 said: and why Natsume is supposedly dead. Most likely because the chip they implanted got damaged during the accident at the beginning of episode one and the robots are doing a really bad job at surveilling the humans beyond that. Atlas77 said: To be honest, I fell like, none if this was in the trailer, neither in the synopsis, the anime sold me one thing and I received another. Makes sense, otherwise it wouldn't have had the impact they wanted it to have. And to be fair, only the part about the Gadoll in the first paragraph of the synopsis is actually false. The rest still applies. I appreciate that you took the time to answer some of my questions, despite some of them being more philosophical The circumstances that brought humanity to their actual situation are intriguing. I kind of lost interest after episode 2, but I'm gonna continue watching it till the end. |
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| Best part of this episode? Reading MAL comments of confused people who didn't get it at all or can't comprehend it. I guess full episode of exposition dump is not enough nowadays. |
| Watching *Actor's: Song Connection*: "Ew, everything's a game" *drops* Watching Deca-dence: "HOLY SHIT EVERYTHING'S A GAME!" *continues watching* This meme I made in discord explains my feeling towards this anime right now. |
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| Well this was an eye opener. What I thought I was watching after first eps with humanity on the brink riding around in a giant glove has been turned upside down with this episode. Talk about wondering what is real and what is not! |
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| Wow, that was really unexpected! But I enjoyed overwall! |
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| The ending of the first episode gave us a strong hint that the world of humans was not as it seemed, so I was sure the second episode was going to be a wild ride. I thought they are going to show us that everything is staged, or that all the humans have been captured, put to sleep and this is a virtual world, or that the robots gave them the technology to build that immense fortress (which can double as a huge rocket powered uppercut lol) and then created and let loose on them genetically modified monsters to keep themselves entertained and place bets (the "profitable day" part). I *never* expected though that while nearly everything *is* staged (not quite everything apparently; it appears that what the robots -or the Company that owns them- are really after is oxyone, the green blood of the monsters, which I doubt they or the "System" can control; in that sense the monsters are the only free lifeforms we've seen so far) that the robots were using the humans as live avatars in games. *If* that's what's going on. While the Tankers are real humans we do not yet know much about the "Gears". Are they also real humans or genetically modified and potentially disposable humanoid clones (skin color is not trivial to change)? What happens to the Gear bodies after the robots log out? Do they sleep or stay unconscious? If they are humans shouldn't they have their own agency while the robots log into them (via their "chips"? do they even have the same chips?)? Questions leading to more questions.. Let's speculate a little bit : there might be no Company behind the robots, not anymore I mean. Whoever made them are long dead and the robots, led and ruled by Hugin, have been running on auto ever since. If that's the case in order for both robots and humans to be free they just need to topple Hugin (and his creepy assistant), who appears to be kind of the "CPU" of the entire system. Cut the head and the system is done, the robots have their own agency anyway. Let them hunt the monsters on their own for oxyone. p.s. I absolutely loved Kaburagi in this episode. He was fully ready to take his own life to end his Sisyphean torment (and due to his guilt about Mikey) but Natsume's "indiscretion" literally saved him. He is a robot (a quasi-farcical robot that looks like it was borrowed directly from Heybot!), but this act -along with how & why he changed his mind- was as human as it can possibly get. I also love Natsume's energy and her multiple super cute facial expressions (she reminds me a bit of Michiru Kagemori -minus the fur- from BNA; even the Japanese VAs sound alike). If Kaburagi is the mind then Natsume is the heart of the show. I eagerly await for the next episodes! A solid 8/10 so far. |
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zvenx said: A good payoff episode seems like the robot found at the beginning was one of those players. I'm interested in how the rest of the world will unfold it's unfortunate that this wasn't what some people were looking for. but personally, my interest has gone up a lot. Were Natsume's father and the others in his team targeted by the "System" due to taking a peek behind the veil with which it hides the truth? Probably not. I don't think the System controls the monsters, otherwise there would be no need to devise an elaborate game to have the robots get their oxyone. And as Hugin explained to Kaburagi the System would "process" (really?) them instantly via their chips, there would be no need to send monsters after them. We are also not sure Natsume's father and co were killed by the monsters. Perhaps the System killed them off-screen in a delayed action via their chips for asking too many questions. As for these "chips", as far as I recall Natsume's father at one point in the first episode looked at the invading monsters and Gears who fought them with a UI system that was similar (or identical) to Kaburagi's. That would suggest that they are either aware of the chips in them or were born and raised with that implant and think that this is how humans work naturally. It would also suggest that the Gears are possibly also humans and their chips are the way in for the robots; and when they log into the humans they take over their body completely. I have no idea what happens to the Gears after the robots log out though. |
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rubica said: deg said: plot twist on second episode eh so its all just a video game like The Matrix with risk of real death and humans in this world are all just AI or NPC that develops bugs in some cases then I believe that you have it half right, it's the opposite. This is a world ruled by a virtual corporation run by AI which uses the physical real world as their "Virtual Reality" to fuck around in. SO humans are practically cattle or animals with in a Zoo called deca-dence. Either kept alive due to them being regarded as "endangered animals". Now from what I can gather with these two episodes, these virtual beings are collecting Gadoll's blood or bodily fluid using humans as the medium or vessel for this whole process. You can see that the gears and deca-dence itself is used to gather and store this mysterious bio fluid. MY guess is it is the energy source for the whole operation and the corporation.The color of the fluid and the energy packs the virtual beings are using to resupply is the same, so I assume that they are somewhat related. Now this seems like a parasitic relationship which most likely used to be a symbiotic relationship between the humans and the virtual beings. Due to the lifespan of the virtual beings, they were capable of out living the humans to the point of enslavement of humanity. So you think it is a "reverse Matrix". The humans are not trapped in a virtual but in a physical reality, and some of them (the Gears) are controlled via these chips while the others (the "Tankers") live as cattle. The Tankers are unaware of the truth, while the Gears are apparently put to sleep(??) when the robots log out of them. The "robots" have no physical bodies, they are purely virtual constructs hence why they look like they just lept out of Heybot! (the resolution and fidelity of the virtual world would not need to be as high as that of the physical world, that would only consume more resources). Since the robots are virtual they require physical "avatars" to collect the fuel (oxyone) for them. That's a very interesting theory, and it would explain a lot. There is just one part that makes no sense : the oxyone fuel the robots run on. If they are virtual constructs running on a vast supercomputer why would they need to be fueled *individually*? There would be no need to be fueled at all, only the supercomputer they run on would require fuel. And what kind of physical fuel can be, er, virtualized? One possible solution to that : the individual virtual fuel vials are "placebo fuel". The robots do not need them to operate, they just *think* they do. Why fool them? So that the Company makes more money and because nothing in this world is free. The robots would burn oxyone indirectly to run anyway, via the supercomputer they run on (more virtual robots = more power = more oxyone required). But if they knew they can operate without oxyone none of them would pay to get the vials. If that's the case Kaburagi would not have died from lack of fuel but he doesn't know that (yet). |
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| So... is this like some form of isekai, but not quite? |
| Interesting 2nd episode, kinda confusing but wrapped up very well in the end, Gonna keep watching. |
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| This show is so confusing man, I think I only understood like 40% of what is going on lmao |
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