Honzuki no Gekokujou: Shisho ni Naru Tame ni wa Shudan wo Erandeiraremasen 2nd Season Episode 8 Discussion

Zee530 said:
Whilst i'm still thoroughly enjoying the show, it has to be said, it feels like its lost a bit of direction. Myne's main aim in s1 was to get access to books but after joining the church, that objective was complete, whilst everything that followed is still as intriguing it has basically felt like side activities to an extent. Myne needs to be given some sort of major objective to get things back on track.

Phobez said:
As for the pigs and wolves, I guess it's just that they've never been outside of the church grounds? I thought that maybe such animals didn't exist in this world, but I can vaguely remember a pig slaughtering ceremony from season 1 so I guess it's more towards the former.

Nieznajomy43 said:

Ok what was with that ominous music why Maine showed her drawing to Wilma? I was expecting that this level of change was sacrilege or was reminding Wilma her traumatizing events (women kneeling in front of a men) but this scene went "nowhere" making that song out of place.




I think the biggest problem was that she couldn't imagine anthropomorphic animal. Basically she couldn't draw anthropomorphic pig that would be pleasant to see (in cartoonish style).

Zee530 said:
Whilst i'm still thoroughly enjoying the show, it has to be said, it feels like its lost a bit of direction. Myne's main aim in s1 was to get access to books but after joining the church, that objective was complete, whilst everything that followed is still as intriguing it has basically felt like side activities to an extent. Myne needs to be given some sort of major objective to get things back on track.

Leo said:
After two years of hard work and some failures, Myne was finally able to make a book. Congrats!!! I'm really happy for her.

1Konochi said:
I also hope she can create a version of Cinderella for this world. I already got this idea that her parents were fallen nobles and her stepmother hid the fact that she could use mana by secretly extracting it while she was asleep. Maybe, she tried to set herself up as a lay-noble to try to get her two daughters to at least become the Prince's mistresses or something. When Cinderella is discovered by the Prince, her family heritage is discovered and she can safely marry the Prince. Also, her "fairy godmother" was a family relative that had been tracking her down for years to try to get her back in noble society. This could be really good!

daedalron said:
The whole point of Cinderella's story is the possibilty for someone to marry above her status, which would be removed in that revised story.

daedalron said:
Okay you got me there.
There are way too many issues about Cinderella story. In the novel, there's a long discussion between Main and Ferdinand about it, Main trying to find some compromises to still have the story. But in the end, she gives up, because that story wouldn't be Cinderella anymore.
On top of the issue of noble status between commoners / laynobles / archnobles, there is also the whole issue of the fairy-godmother, where Ferdinand was pretty angry about how badly magic was portrayed. That's the issue with a world where magic really exists, they can't accept a made-up magic system, as everyone reading it would be: "that's not how magic works !!!"

So yeah, you could change the whole story, by removing the magic from the fairy-godmother, so there's no pumpkin carriage, or glass shoes, and instead the "godmother" only manage to return Cinderella to her previous status of archnoble, so that she can marry the Prince. But that's not Cinderella's story anymore. The whole point of Cinderella's story is the possibilty for someone to marry above her status, which would be removed in that revised story.

AlexNG said:


A significant part of the problem seemed to be caused by Myne's insistence that the protagonist become the first (and preferrably only) wife of the prince, when in this society it is normal and expected for high ranking nobles to have up to 3 wives. Some daughter of a low ranking noble who somehow happens to have tons of mana is perfect for the position of the 3rd wife, but absolutely unacceptable as the 1st wife, who is a political figure representing the family alongside her husband.

Zee530 said:
Whilst i'm still thoroughly enjoying the show, it has to be said, it feels like its lost a bit of direction. Myne's main aim in s1 was to get access to books but after joining the church, that objective was complete, whilst everything that followed is still as intriguing it has basically felt like side activities to an extent. Myne needs to be given some sort of major objective to get things back on track.

1Konochi said:
Maybe "Sleeping Beauty"

1Konochi said:
Maybe "Sleeping Beauty", "Snow-white and the Seen Dwarves", "Jack and the Beanstock", and "Red Riding Hood" ight work with the slightest modifications.

daedalron said:

Red Riding Hood would be rejected too, as part of the story requires anthropomorphism, which isn't understood by people of that world.

daedalron said:

^^
Yeah, it could be heavily altered to make it work, but it requires reworking the story a lot. And it would also require help from a noble, as Main still has no idea how magic works, what can be done and what can't. In the end, it's easier to just create new stories adapted to that world, than to try to rework a Earth-story.

Chiibi said:
I wonder why the orphans don't know what pigs are!? xD

AlexNG said:


The idea is they have never been outside the orphanage. Not even knowing the word may be a bit of a stretch (and as even pointed out above, the books are a bit different), but they certainly don't know what one looks like.