One Piece Chapter 971 Discussion

Albi-kun said:
Orochi was clearly lying about the persecution to make Oden feel bad for him. Orochi didn't even know he was a Kurozumi until he met Higurashi.

Mugglus said:
What an absolute legend Oden is, he will go down as the chad of all chads.

FMmatron said:
Oda knows how to rile one up. I'm fucking pissed. The chapter didn't really offer a new revelation, but I liked how things were portrayed.

I'm still conflicted regarding Oden, tho. Don't get me wrong, he's an unrivaled badass, Giga chad, or simply THE MAN. His selflessness, durability and dedication can't be human and I fucking love it. It's over the top, but this is what makes One Piece so cool :P

That said, I still think the narrative of the last couple of chapters has been fucking messy. The outcome lives up to expectations, yet the way till here wasn't satisfying and could've been done better. Oda is usually way more thorough.

Cynderace said:
Oden was foolish and Oda has made no effort to hide that even naming a chapter "A fool of a lord"

Mei-o_Scarlett said:

tfw realise this chapter and oden are symbolism for oda's writing
we doubted oda like the ppl doubted oden and now we paid the price
feels bad man
oda is some woke shit

Cynderace said:
Oden was foolish and Oda has made no effort to hide that even naming a chapter "A fool of a lord"

Just because Oden is a fool doesn't make him a shit character. I honestly think Oden is one of Oda best legendary characters.

Like think about Whitebeard, as far as we know he was a perfect warrior and dedicated father to an entire crew of misfits. Think about Roger, literally the king of pirates he is virtually flawless in this world.

Oden is unique in that he is a total beast of a man; extraordinary feats from birth till death, but he has flaws, big ones, ones we the reader find obvious. I think this makes Oden way more relatable as a character.

Look, should Oden have killed Orochi and Kaidou 5 years ago? Absolutely! I think Oda has gone out of his way to show us that Oden made the "wrong" call. Even having Kaidou laugh at his foolishness.

But you see I think this is all on purpose. Oden made the decision to have faith in Orochi, maybe because Orochi is also from Wano and Oden misjudged how much honor Orochi would have. He also decided that even if he COULD take out Kaidou and Orochi, the lives of 100 of his citizens for every naked dance was a price he was willing to pay

Like, you and I, we probably don't think it was worth it. But that's the point, I think. Oden IS a fool in the eyes of many. But in his own eyes he is living his life the way he wants and the way he thinks is correct.

Whether we disagree with Oden's actions over the past five years is irrelevant. He made them.

We need to remember ODEN FAILED his mission and that is the entire point of Wano. Oden failed so now his retainers must take up the mantle. Oden wouldn't have "failed" if he just would have killed Kaidou and Orochi right then. And yeah, maybe Luffy would have killed Orochi and Kaidou if he was in Oden's position. But Oden is his own man. He's hard boiled and he doesn't live by the rules or what would be convenient for the plot. He put the lives of Wano citizens above immediate victory. That was his decision and he lost everything for it.

However, he wasn't a failure. He did so much with his life and I wish the community could just stand back and take his story in as a whole cos honestly... Oden is a fucking great character. One of Oda's absolute best.

Every mistake Oden makes allows us to relate to him a little better. Which one of us hasn't made a really stupid mistake before? How many of us have tried to do the right thing, but later on we realized it was the wrong thing and a waste of time? How would we react to that?

I look at him and all his highs and all his lows and it all feels very human and relatable.

He is a Chad and a fool. He is insanely powerful, able to put Kaidou on the ropes IN A 1V1! and now he is boiling himself alive to save his retainers. His final act.

So yeah. 100% Oden is a total fool. And he is a better character because of it.

TropicalFreeze44 said:

But this chapter does not treat his decision as a foolish one, the ones considered idiots are the citizens of Wano. I want to give Oda the benefit of the doubt but I do not really understand the deal Oden made with Orochi & Kaido or why it needed to happen. Surely the whole country would outweigh a 100 people? It is not an easy decision to just sacrifice people but I think the choice was pretty clear. It is possible I overlooked something (this is One Piece after all) but I am pretty confused by the whole thing.

nerfx said:
What the hell is Oden made of jeez, still what a badass.

SinOfSlothKing said:
Hello, the not-one piece fan here from 2 chapers ago who only read the past 100 chapters or so.

anilogXoXo said:


Reading only the recent 100 chapters of a work with almost a 1000 chapters? Jesus Christ that is like reading only the last 100 pages of LotR. This alone made me only skim through your comment and initially I wanted to write a reply to some of your bullshit arguments. Then I clicked on your profile and saw that you rate Bleach with a 10 and have it along with Naruto among your favourites. And I am really, really sorry but I will NEVER EVER take ANYONE even slightly serious who criticizes One Piece in an overly harsh and ridiculous manner, when he at the same time likes absolute garbage series that do not even hold a single gram of candle wax to One Piece (not to mention the fact that he only read a tiny fraction of a huge, connected and extremely detailed story and then seriously thinks he can talk shit about it LOL). But I at least want to thank you for making me laugh my ass off even though I also dislocated my neck slightly while shaking my head while reading your drivel.

Isterio said:
I understand that this chapter is emotional and all and well aside from the exposition seeing the guy sacrificing himself for his men is honorable, but why does the boiling oil damage him?

He´s "the man who injured Kaido" meaning he has to be capeable of using armanent Haki. All of Whitebeards Commanders know how to use it, why wouldn´t he who Whitebeard considered a nigh equal, standing above his men in terms of tenacity, but the way he is going to die is by being boiled.

Danpmss said:


I assume that's because the armament haki can only do so much in protecting you against stuff, and past chapters have proven that some elements are more effective in the One Piece's average human body than others (although some of those were played for laughs, I must say). Boiling in hot oil sounds like one of them, I'm guessing. It does sound absolutely painful, Akainu may have some competition in here lol

SinOfSlothKing said:
Hello, the not-one piece fan here from 2 chapers ago who only read the past 100 chapters or so.

Holy shit ppl, u liked this trash? Like have u no respect for yourself?

Lets state the obvious, this flashback was utter shit once Oden reached Wano, and here are the reasons why:

1. Oda had the perfect oportunity to get Oden beaten and captured back 3 chapters ago when he confronted Orochi for the first time. It would have made sense, since it would have been the author punishing a flaw of the character in question, in this case his recklessness of going there alone, and not gathering his ppl to help. But he didint for no actual reason.

2. The Deal Orochi and Oden makes no sense, and i mean that it makes no sense from either party involved in this deal. Why? Well, it obviously makes no sense from the point of view of Oden, because 1. Orochi offered no actual evidence what he said about the Kurozumi was true(and we know it was false, since he didint even know he was a Kurozumi until he found out) , 2. Plenty of people have died since the arrival of Orochi as Shogun . 100 people mean nothing at this point and plenty more were killed/enslaved/kidnapped during those 5 years i am sure of it, and so are u. 3. The first thing the side of orochi dose after the deal was randomly kill 2 people with poison arrows, how the fuck can u still hold the deal after that? 4. Why would Orochi keep his word of leaving with Kaido? Is Oden rly under the impression that Orochi is in charge and not Kaido? Is he realy that stupid? Even if Orochi were to hold his word, Kaido is under no obligation to do anything, much less leave Wano.

Now , why dose the deal make no sense for Orochi either? Think about it, how did Kaido excuse the delay of 5 years in order to gain the advantage? He said that they were low on man, and if Oden gathered his ppl they had chances to lose................. Here is the thing, Oden did not gather shit, he just charged the Capital, Kaido literaly has him where he wants him, and on the other hand, while Orochi and Kaido wont keep their word, they wont know that Oden wont hold his either, and fighting him then and there is the best option they had, letting him leave, is literaly the ONLY way they can LOSE, and way too big of a risk to take, since now he dose have the oportunity to gather the people.

3. For those who will reply " Well Kaido, knows that Oden is simmilar with Whitebeard and Roger"

Firstly, it was not Kaido who offered the deal, it was Orochi, and in reality they had no reason to belive Oden changed to replicate the moral values of Roger and Whitebeard.

And seccondly, Shinobu was there, even if Oden was fooled, why would she be? She should not be nowhere near as stupid as Oden, and realise the deal was bullshit. Also, she had the chance to Free the 100 people Orochi had kidnapped while all the main players were in that room, but didint.......

4. For those who think the delay was actually because kaido thought oden was stronger that himself, and who think that is a fact due to the last chapter (970), quit the bullshit.

Firstly, that chapter did not prove Oden was stronger, Kaido mearly got cut, and he got cut because he was in dragon form too, so he didint had his mace to defend himself with it. This rly bothers me , how one piece fans flip their shit anytime something this minor happens.
Secondly, even if that was the real reason behind the deal(which was not), orochi offered the deal, not Kaido.

5. Aparently the ships Orochi and Kaido were meant to leave by were supposed to be built...... why did oden not supervise the construction of the boats all this time, to be sure they are keeping their word at least a bit?

And lastly, why the fuck is oden not submerged under the oil ? Look at that thing, its way too deep and Oden should be submerged in it and drown to death....

goko- said:

imagine having this small of a dick LOL

SinOfSlothKing said:


Got any arguments? What exactly do u disagree with ?

FMmatron said:


Most of the stuff you're saying doesn't even make sense. Your takes are narrowminded and disregard any context and feelings of the characters. 1. But Oden is getting punished for his foolishness, this a prime example of you missing the point and forcing your own ideals onto the story. 2.1 Why would Orochi need evidence for the deal with Oden? Oden was pressured and for his character development to make sense he couldn'tn allow himself to take any risk. 2.2 those people weren't killed they just lost their eyesight. It might not matter much for the narrative, but it proves again that you're not really paying attention nor do you make an effort to understand anything that doesn't align with your simple minded perspective. Hence the characterisation and themes of this arc went also over your head.

I won't waste my time adressing the rest of your rant because imo it's pretty evident that you just want to pick a fight with the fanbase for reasons I don't want to imagine. I mean, in the other thread you also disregarded almost all of my points, changed goal posts and kept going with your disdain for the fans. I don't know who hurt you, but get a grip.

SinOfSlothKing said:


U missunderstand my points completly.

Firstly why did i said that ODA(not oden or a character in the story), had a chance to get Oden killed the moment he left to the capital the first time? Its because to me its obvious that oda knows the Plot points that he needs to hit in this flashback but dose not know how.
Oden was not killed the first time he clashed with Kaido because the predetermined events we know from the story were not met yet, not because it made sense

" But Oden is getting punished for his foolishness"- No he is not .What happens here is self-sabotage and it annoys me.

" Why would Orochi need evidence for the deal with Oden" - He would not need it......Oden would need it, since he has no reason to belive a guy who poisoned to death his father .

https://kissmanga.com/Manga/One-Piece/Chapter-969?id=587718. I watched the panel with the narator saing what happened with the 2 man here and on another site, and both said , and i quote "The victims collapsed , and after violently vomiting blood,LOST THEIR LIVES", and pls cut the bullshit, and be civilized. Stop projecting whatever atributes u want onto me, just because of something that might be a miss-translation on either of our parts.

"you also disregarded almost all of my points"- I adressed most of them and those i did not, i simply found them irrelevant, and some i conceded cus i admittedly had little info on them.

Also, it seems u avoided answering my issue with the deal between orochi and oden . Care to answer it? Cus thats my most important point.......


"Hence the characterisation and themes of this arc went also over your head" Death note also has characterization and themes, yet the viewer dose not need to understand them to enjoy the story, and as a matter of fact the story stands on its own even without the themes. The story needs to stand on its own regardless of themes. Plus u get into the themes of a story only AFTER u like it, not before......... And btw, while i said that i am curently reading OP because of tekking, its only half true, the other half is because i keep hearing how good Op is and wanted to check it out(its possible to like a story by jumping to a late point in the story. I watched Bleach cus i saw Ichigo vs Aizen, and i picked up naruto again after i saw Naruto Vs Pain) and because the main reason i avoided Op was because of the artstyle, yet i like Naruto VS pain which makes me feel a bit guilty.

"I don't know who hurt you" Oda, by throwing in the trash one of his characters with this selfsabotage?!! And seccondly the fanbase by still being by the side of Oden.......cmon people , Oden simply dose not want to win. He has yet to make 1 move that proves that he wants to win.

FMmatron said:

I'm gonna keep this brief.


If you would acknowledge Oden's nature of being so gullible (which Oda even highlighted many times) then your questions would be answered. Please open up. Also it would make sense to keep Oden alive in order to get info out of him, he's basically the only person there with knowledge about porneglyphs. And yes he was punished for his foolishness because if he rounded up forces he might have won, but that would've meant sacrifices so he took it all upon himself and he most likely didn't even notice what happened to the people shot by the arrows. Orochi is thirsty for revenge and humiliating Oden for many years before killing him seems fitting for a sadist. The pacing of the last chapters was unfortunately off, but the story makes sense if you just add one and one, it doesn't need to spell every tiny point.

You're nitpicking on trivial aspects instead of looking at the whole picture.Your Death Note example as an attempt to invalidate the events and what you deem as proper storytelling is completely irrelelevant since themes and story go hand in hand here. And as I said above it makes sense.

That's everything that needed to be said, you can try to reconsider your opinions or stay in denial.

Saurian_X said:

He's only read 1/10th of the series, he couldn't see the whole picture even if he wanted to. If he's really interested he should read the whole series, otherwise it's a complete waste of time to argue with someone who doesn't really follow the story and seems like they're just here to get a reaction out of the fans.