| I understand that people have philosophical disagreements over when something should be defined as living or when it should hold the same value as a fully grown human. But picking the moment where a heartbeat can be detected has to be the most stupidly backwards answer. Like holy shit, either pick the beginning of consciousness or say it should have value right from the beginning, but this? This is on a whole new level of stupid. |
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Von_Struth said: that's really not the only danger associated with childbirth.traed said: It's really not, the chances of dying during child birth is less than .007% your more likely to die while walking to the toiletIt's worse than you think. Child birth is always present with danger even in well developed countries with good doctors. When they normally say there is a high risk pregnancy that just means the risk is higher than usual not that other pregnancies are without risk. Pregnant women have a pretty high chance to suffer from mood and anxiety disorders during pregnancies (1 in 5 chance), and some of those actually stick after the pregnancy. Schizophrenia can also develop during a pregnancy, and that one always sticks around to fuck up your life. The risk that the mother dies during childbirth may be low, but the risk that the child dies is higher and that is very traumatic for the mother. Many mothers never recover from that. Miscarriages also happen far more often, and they tend to be increasingly traumatic depending on how late they happen. Furthermore, childbirth is really hard on your body. You gain a lot of weight, there are hormonal changes, your skin gets stretched out, and so on. Your body never goes back to how it was before childbirth. It is true that childbirth isn't a huge threat to the mother's life, but pregnancies are a huge threat to a woman's quality of life, short- and long-term. And this is without going into detail about how unwanted children or even wanted children can fuck everything up. Now, if you're a guy and you're not the most empathic person to begin with, you might not see that or handwave it as unimportant, but at that point you're really losing anyone with a reasonable outlook on pregnancies and what they entail. |
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Railey2 said: Umm okay not sure what anything you said has to do with pointing out the risk of childbirth is a piss weak argument for abortions. Anything other than death can be fixed with better support networks, so I'm not sure how abortion is a solution, when any decent country has free healthcare and resources on the go to help people through unexpected medical events.Von_Struth said: that's really not the only danger associated with childbirth.It's really not, the chances of dying during child birth is less than .007% your more likely to die while walking to the toilet Pregnant women have a pretty high chance to suffer from mood and anxiety disorders during pregnancies (1 in 5 chance), and some of those actually stick after the pregnancy. Schizophrenia can also develop during a pregnancy, and that one always sticks around to fuck up your life. The risk that the mother dies during childbirth may be low, but the risk that the child dies is higher and that is very traumatic for the mother. Many mothers never recover from that. Miscarriages also happen far more often, and they tend to be increasingly traumatic depending on how late they happen. Furthermore, childbirth is really hard on your body. You gain a lot of weight, there are hormonal changes, your skin gets stretched out, and so on. Your body never goes back to how it was before childbirth. It is true that childbirth isn't a huge threat to the mother's life, but pregnancies are a huge threat to a woman's quality of life, short- and long-term. And this is without going into detail about how unwanted children or even wanted children can fuck everything up. Now, if you're a guy and you're not the most empathic person to begin with, you might not see that or handwave it as unimportant, but at that point you're really losing anyone with a reasonable outlook on pregnancies and what they entail. Also lets not pretend these issues are exclusively to women either, my brothers ex partner had a miscarriage and he was suicidal for years after the fact |
Von_Struth said: traed said: Did you ask for them before calling a lair? Which i don't appreciate btw, how about you do some research before you endorse child killing mate!You said you're more likely to die while walking to the toilet than die in childbirth. You were who brought it up. You cited not a single source for that claim to begin with all while using it as an argument against abortion. Now you're saying they are equally dangerous with the numbers you made up. If we went with the numbers and method of measure you gave right now it still supports my point that in a persons life they make more trips to the toilet than they give birth so their lifetime death rate from walking will be higher even if the per event rate is same. They don't record statistics for accodent related deaths that way on a per event basis. Unlike schoolchildren a feotus has no will because they have no conciousness thus no personhood. It's completely incapable of even the most simplistic functional brain activity untill 21 weeks development. Just about every abortion in the US happens long before then and those at that point and after are because of pregnancy complications. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(16)31470-2/fulltext https://www.safetynewsalert.com/33000-injured-each-year-while-using-the-toilet/ Also the first sign of brain activity in a fetus is 5-6 weeks no idea where you get 21 weeks for the most simplistic activity its simply not true. Babys born between 21-24 weeks can srurvive in the modern age but their not human right?? This is about the US not the world average that I was talking about. There is currently around 26 deaths for every 100,000 live births in the US. Which means 0.03% of births lead to death. In Ohio it's 20.3 deaths per 100,000 births which is 0.0203% of births which is still higher than both numbers you gave before. https://www.americashealthrankings.org/explore/health-of-women-and-children/measure/maternal_mortality Your link about toilets doesn't even mention death/fatality/mortality. It says injury. An injury is not a death. You said more people die going to the toilet and you show me non fatal injuries. I didn't word that very clear. Though we don't know exactly what conciousness is or for sure know where it arises we do have an idea of how animals brains work including some about humans. Not untill 20 weeks is the thalamus formed. The thalamus is responsible for sensory input. Without sensory input it's quite unlikely there is conciousness as we define it in humans or animals. At prior to 20 weeks there can be no functioning as a biological organism on it's own. Your last sentence is irrelevant to this bill and not really relevant to anything I said. As I already pointed out most abortions happen in early stages of pregnancy in the US. Yes ealiest birth to survive was 21 weeks. This is an exceptionally rare event. Aldnox said: I CAN'T BELIEVE SOMEONE ACTUALLY BROUGHT UP THE "MUH CLUSTER OF CELLS" THING I MENTIONED BEFORE What a joke of a world. You should look up some videos or pictures of abortions. Pretty interesting to look at those clusters of cells. I've seen preserved foetuses in person in varied stage of development at the traveling Body Worlds exhibit. Besides who the hell are you to terminate a human life because it inconveniences you? And yes it's a life by definition, you don't get to decide when a life counts as a life and when it doesn't. Next time use a condom. There is no single criteria for life. It is defined differently by each lifeform. A foetus is human DNA but not human physiologically. They lack the criteria of life that defines a fully developed human's life. Now I can already see the replies. "MUH RAPE". That's an incredibly low amount of abortions compared to simply not taking responsibility for fucking without a condom. Not every rape goes reported to police and places abortions are given don't collect that sort of data as far as I am aware so you don't actually know which are and which are not rapes so you're just guessing at expense of rape victims. |
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Von_Struth said: yeah I realize that arguing against abortion like this is misplaced effort.Railey2 said: Umm okay not sure what anything you said has to do with pointing out the risk of childbirth is a piss weak argument for abortions. Anything other than death can be fixed with better support networks, so I'm not sure how abortion is a solution, when any decent country has free healthcare and resources on the go to help people through unexpected medical events.that's really not the only danger associated with childbirth. Pregnant women have a pretty high chance to suffer from mood and anxiety disorders during pregnancies (1 in 5 chance), and some of those actually stick after the pregnancy. Schizophrenia can also develop during a pregnancy, and that one always sticks around to fuck up your life. The risk that the mother dies during childbirth may be low, but the risk that the child dies is higher and that is very traumatic for the mother. Many mothers never recover from that. Miscarriages also happen far more often, and they tend to be increasingly traumatic depending on how late they happen. Furthermore, childbirth is really hard on your body. You gain a lot of weight, there are hormonal changes, your skin gets stretched out, and so on. Your body never goes back to how it was before childbirth. It is true that childbirth isn't a huge threat to the mother's life, but pregnancies are a huge threat to a woman's quality of life, short- and long-term. And this is without going into detail about how unwanted children or even wanted children can fuck everything up. Now, if you're a guy and you're not the most empathic person to begin with, you might not see that or handwave it as unimportant, but at that point you're really losing anyone with a reasonable outlook on pregnancies and what they entail. Also lets not pretend these issues are exclusively to women either, my brothers ex partner had a miscarriage and he was suicidal for years after the fact You are of the opinion that life starts at conception and that an embryo should be valued just as much as a fully grown person, so it makes sense that you'd reject the mother's suffering as a reason to abort. Anything short of death simply wouldn't be enough. That's a perfectly consistent view given your beliefs. I'm not saying that you should accept this as an argument against abortion. I'm saying you should be honest about the risks that come with childbirth and pregnancy - they aren't things to take lightly. If you had it happen in your family then you should know better, right? Saying that it's about as dangerous as taking a shit is a bit dishonest, no? |
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traed said: I'm sorry about the above and I'll take it back a bit since we seem to be crossing at different wave lengths here, my experience and arguments come from an Australian perspective where complication from pregnancies is one if not the lowest in the world(eg mortality rates are .006%), with free and easy access to healthcare erases the need for more drastic options. I didn't word that very clear. Though we don't know exactly what conciousness is or for sure know where it arises we do have an idea of how animals brains work including some about humans. Not untill 20 weeks is the thalamus formed. The thalamus is responsible for sensory input. Without sensory input it's quite unlikely there is conciousness as we define it in humans or animals. At prior to 20 weeks there can be no functioning as a biological organism on it's own. Folly of putting a date is it's either alive from the start or not and if not does that change with medical advancements, so many reasons people put forth for abortion could be cancelled out with better healthcare and support networks. |
Railey2 said: I'm not 100% opposed to abortion if there is indeed a medical reasoning and I should be clear that I consider mental health apart of that but it should be a very last resort and far as I can see, better support networks would save a lot of lives, too many accounts of regret that might of been preventable if they got the right support at the right time, it's just a lazy way to put a ban aid on a sore pretending it's fixed, get the support restructure the foster care system and then let's talk about abortion. Von_Struth said: yeah I realize that arguing against abortion like this is misplaced effort.Umm okay not sure what anything you said has to do with pointing out the risk of childbirth is a piss weak argument for abortions. Anything other than death can be fixed with better support networks, so I'm not sure how abortion is a solution, when any decent country has free healthcare and resources on the go to help people through unexpected medical events. Also lets not pretend these issues are exclusively to women either, my brothers ex partner had a miscarriage and he was suicidal for years after the fact You are of the opinion that life starts at conception and that an embryo should be valued just as much as a fully grown person, so it makes sense that you'd reject the mother's suffering as a reason to abort. Anything short of death simply wouldn't be enough. That's a perfectly consistent view given your beliefs. I'm not saying that you should accept this as an argument against abortion. I'm saying you should be honest about the risks that come with childbirth and pregnancy - they aren't things to take lightly. If you had it happen in your family then you should know better, right? Saying that it's about as dangerous as taking a shit is a bit dishonest, no? I agree I could of used a better comparison but i used something stupid to highlight my point how silly I think abortion is as a problem solver when there's other options. |
Aldnox said: Neither do I. No one gets to decide which life counts and which doesn't, they all count. They actually don't. That's why some countries have the death penalty, or allow euthanasia. You also don't really care about human life by itself, you only care that the the fetus eventually develops into a child. After that? I dunno, who gives a shit, right? Just look how many children are neglected or are still waiting to be adopted or starving in Africa. Not the woman, the man. The woman can take a pill if she so desires. The same pill that fucks your body? Funny how you want the women to take all the responsibility. |
BernrikaApr 22, 2019 6:41 AM
| @Von_Struth I don't think that a fetus is worth nearly as much as a person, but even so, I think I'd be ok with abortion being illegal (except in extreme cases, like rape or medical issues), if the state really did everything in their power to support mothers who would have otherwise aborted. And I mean EVERYTHING. But since they don't... I can't really find it in me to punish someone for not wanting to go back on all the plans they had for their own lives and quite possibly fucking up their future on their same time. I really wish conservatives supported parents more, so that there wouldn't be a need for this argument. The underlying philosophical disagreement over when life begins doesn't seem resolvable, but the above would at least be an attempt at a compromise. Not one that most people seem to be willing to make, it seems. |
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Aldnox said: They're not the same thing. With abortion you're terminating a life that's done nothing wrong. With death penalty you're terminating a life of someone who has committed a serious crime. I am against death penalty too by the way. There is no life being terminated with abortion. Once a life start, you can abort it anymore, unless rare occurrences like the mother life is extreme danger. What you feel like doesn't matter because society values human life differently, after all according to many euthanasia is way better than the "life" you get without it, and the fact we don't allow old people to die is deeply inhuman. I never said that though, of course I care about the child as well No, you don't. You just care that the child is delivered. That's why you are anti-abortion. After it? May as well throw it into the streets. It's not even you who has the raise the child, so who gives a shit. It's either the mother or the child goes into the system waiting to be adopted. But it's not like these things affect anti-abortion people. |
| Yes forcing a bunch of poor people into having children they can't afford and then doing nothing to help support them, what could possibly go wrong? Also hope yall anti abortionists never jack off or I guess you've committed genocide |
| @Aldnox heres an idea. Put your money where your mouth is. Go and adopt a kid do it right now. show that you care and no under the definition of life zygote are not alive |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
| "women going through abortion because they are not ready emotionally and economically to sustain a child? i dont care if they got raped, its their own fault11!!" "actual children dying from a mass shooting?! must protect muh gun rights! everyone should be able to carry rifles and bazookas to school!11one!" "no, no, you got it all wrong. i just want to have the moral high ground without actually doing anything to help suffering children. it makes me feel special at zero cost! seeing children getting separated from the families at the border makes me smirk" |
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hazarddex said: Why would I want to adopt a kid? I don't.@Aldnox heres an idea. Put your money where your mouth is. Go and adopt a kid do it right now. show that you care and no under the definition of life zygote are not alive And yes they are. Like I said you don't get to pick and choose when a life is alive or not.  |
Aldnox said: hazarddex said: Why would I want to adopt a kid? I don't.@Aldnox heres an idea. Put your money where your mouth is. Go and adopt a kid do it right now. show that you care and no under the definition of life zygote are not alive And yes they are. Like I said you don't get to pick and choose when a life is alive or not. Then you dont actually care about kids. And are just a hypocrite. If you care that much then prove your stance by adopting otherwise you literally have no say in this matter. Especially if you dont back up your words. Your stance is empty and hollow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygote This is not alive. |
GrimAtramentMay 4, 2019 10:37 AM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazarddex said: I have no need to prove my stance to someone on the Internet. Not wanting kids to be murdered doesn't mean I want to adopt them.Aldnox said: Why would I want to adopt a kid? I don't. And yes they are. Like I said you don't get to pick and choose when a life is alive or not. Then you dont actually care about kids. And are just a hypocrite. If you care that much then prove your stance by adopting otherwise you literally have no say in this matter. Especially if you dont back up your words. Your stance is empty and hollow. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zygote This is not alive. Cells are alive, but OK, I'll give you that one. A fetus is alive. |
| Heartbeat as an indicative of life? In what year are we again? Waiting for the hopeful day when they pass the brain birth bill worldwide. |
| You are not your body, you are your brain, the "self" that emerges from within it. |
| If you have an abortion it should be mandatory to have your tubes tied. |
| Way to go, Alabama and Ohio! This is how it should be. |
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Aldnox said: Besides who the hell are you to terminate a human life because it inconveniences you? And yes it's a life by definition, you don't get to decide when a life counts as a life and when it doesn't. Next time use a condom. And who the hell are you to decide what a woman should, or shouldn't do, with her own fucking body? |
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| Well apparently @hazarddex either doesn't care about kids or is a father to an adopted kid lol |
| here's a statistic for all the "just put them up for adoption." only 2% of all Americans actually adopt children. kek Alabama bans abortion. the incest capital of america.  |
GrimAtramentMay 15, 2019 3:34 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| This is like one of the only political topics which I don't care what happens honestly. I mean I have my opinions on which one I think is right. but I just don't necessarily care that much for some reason. |
SpamuraiSensei said: If you have an abortion it should be mandatory to have your tubes tied. Even if the woman was a victim of raped or incest? |
| Honest question for pro-lifers: If abortion is bad because God wants every baby to be born, why do most pregnancies end in miscarriage? |
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| The posts from anti-abortion people in this thread are hilarious. |
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mial said: SpamuraiSensei said: If you have an abortion it should be mandatory to have your tubes tied. Even if the woman was a victim of raped or incest? Yup. Everyone deserves a shot a life. Little Timmy would rather be an orphan than dead. |
CatSoul said: well I'm neither a pro-lifer or religious but isnt that just another question about why God allows bad things to happen and is really a different conversation?Honest question for pro-lifers: If abortion is bad because God wants every baby to be born, why do most pregnancies end in miscarriage? Also most pregnancies don't end in miscarriages according to a quick Google search so that's just misinformation SpamuraiSensei said: and if he rather be dead, it's not too late! Lolmial said: Even if the woman was a victim of raped or incest? Yup. Everyone deserves a shot a life. Little Timmy would rather be an orphan than dead. |
Killaclown said: CatSoul said: well I'm neither a pro-lifer or religious but isnt that just another question about why God allows bad things to happen and is really a different conversation?Honest question for pro-lifers: If abortion is bad because God wants every baby to be born, why do most pregnancies end in miscarriage? Also most pregnancies don't end in miscarriages according to a quick Google search so that's just misinformation SpamuraiSensei said: and if he rather be dead, it's not too late! LolYup. Everyone deserves a shot a life. Little Timmy would rather be an orphan than dead. Don't rob lil Timmy of his potential. The world needs more mumble rappers. Abortion gang, abortion gang, abortion gang, abortion gang |
Killaclown said: well I'm neither a pro-lifer or religious but isnt that just another question about why God allows bad things to happen and is really a different conversation? Also most pregnancies don't end in miscarriages according to a quick Google search so that's just misinformation This is my citation. Perhaps not 'most', but 'more than half.' I just don't understand why when women miscarry, they'll be told God has a plan for them by the same people who think abortion is against God's plan. How do they know that their God just doesn't think, due to any number of circumstances, abortion is the suitable answer? |
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CatSoul said: well I'm guessing they use the logic that just because people are dying doesn't make God cool with murderKillaclown said: well I'm neither a pro-lifer or religious but isnt that just another question about why God allows bad things to happen and is really a different conversation? Also most pregnancies don't end in miscarriages according to a quick Google search so that's just misinformation This is my citation. Perhaps not 'most', but 'more than half.' I just don't understand why when women miscarry, they'll be told God has a plan for them by the same people who think abortion is against God's plan. How do they know that their God just doesn't think, due to any number of circumstances, abortion is the suitable answer? |
| Abortion is a crime against humanity.....It should be illegal with exception for maternal life, health or rape. Here, Argentina senate rejects bill to legalise abortion last year. I hope that others will follow suit. |
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| So women will suffer needlessly because some insecure old men can't help but grasp at every last vestige of patriarchy like slimy incels. Pathetic. |
LoneWolf said: @Josh makes me sad to call myself Canadian. |
| https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/443687-pregnant-11-year-old-rape-victim-in-ohio-would-be-unable-to they care about the idea of life, but when it's already become life, they didn't care. i guess a reali life people is less important than the idea of life. |
 "If taking responsibility for a mistake that cannot be undone means death, it's not that hard to die. At least, not as hard as to live on." |
| That's fine with me. You can still get an abortion if you catch it really early. If it develops at all, it's a no-go. It's always going to be subjective where you draw the line when it comes to abortion...this is simply pushing it back further. Is it too early? Maybe, but my position has always been that after the first trimester is far too late. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| For anyone wondering, the fetus develops a heartbeat at 6 weeks |
Nurguburu said: Abortion is a crime against humanity.....It should be illegal with exception for maternal life, health or rape. Here, Argentina senate rejects bill to legalise abortion last year. I hope that others will follow suit. Because not every rape victim comes forward at least not right away every person you turn away from access to relatively safe abortions was a potential rape victim. |
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Only_Brad said: Finally some goods new in CE. Less children being murderer in their mother's belly. It's funny how you act like defiant toddlers in your wish to call fetuses children and abortion murder. Nightmare21st said: This is like one of the only political topics which I don't care what happens honestly. I mean I have my opinions on which one I think is right. but I just don't necessarily care that much for some reason. Safe to assume you are male then. |
Aldnox said: Her own body? An innocent person's body who can't defend itself and hasn't done anything wrong. So murder. Ah, I thought you were serious when you made your remarks. I see now that you were just trolling. Carry on. |
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Josh said: So women will suffer needlessly because some insecure old men can't help but grasp at every last vestige of patriarchy like slimy incels. Pathetic. Well said. Hah. Don't you just love it when people who will forever be completely unaffected by any given situation, are the only ones in charge of said situation? What's next? Telling women how to dress and how much to pay for personal hygiene products? Oh, wait.... I'm just glad this rubbish isn't as serious in my country, honestly. It's been legal since the 70s, and while our law may not be impeccable, it's way, way better than what these man-babies have come up with. |
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| The Hypocrisy of the Right-Wing >”We’re Pro-Life” Except a good amount of Right-Wingers also advocate for the death penalty, War, and their favorite of all killing machines....GUNS! >”Government needs to get out of our lives!” Well, this is simply bullshit, since Right-Wingers clearly don’t care about government telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies. >”We need to eliminate welfare and other ENTITLEMENT programs” Alabama is already one of the POOREST states in the country...thanks to them pretty much banning abortion, you can expect MORE unwanted children that will only create MORE welfare recipients and thus increase the level of poverty in that god-forsaken shitstain of a state. |
--ALEX-- said: The Hypocrisy of the Right-Wing >”We’re Pro-Life” Except a good amount of Right-Wingers also advocate for the death penalty, War, and their favorite of all killing machines....GUNS! >”Government needs to get out of our lives!” Well, this is simply bullshit, since Right-Wingers clearly don’t care about government telling women what they can and can’t do with their bodies. >”We need to eliminate welfare and other ENTITLEMENT programs” Alabama is already one of the POOREST states in the country...thanks to them pretty much banning abortion, you can expect MORE unwanted children that will only create MORE welfare recipients and thus increase the level of poverty in that god-forsaken shitstain of a state. So would you agree that a non-hypocritical viewpoint condemns both abortion and the death penalty? Because neither party really supports that. Party polarization at work again. As a political individual there's no need to hold your viewpoints to any one party's platform. Nor is there any need to fight for a party you don't believe in any more. I have no idea why in today's day and age, anyone wouldn't see themselves as an independent. I actually find it really liberating to think that even as someone who grew up liberal, I don't necessarily have to support abortion. |
| I CELEBRATE myself, And what I assume you shall assume, For every atom belonging to me as good belongs to you. |
| No one is “Pro-Abrtion”, what people are is “Pro-Choice”. I’m going to explain the BIG difference. I personally do NOT like Marijuana.....it LITERALLY smells like farts...god, I can’t stand that horrible smell, and I also can’t stand how people are obsessed with Marijuana cuz “420 blaze it” culture which is just cringe to me. However, as a Liberal, I believe adults should be able to do whatever the fuck they feel (to themselves) as long as they don’t infringe the rights of others. So if you want to smoke weed cuz it’s cool and you wanna get high...by all means, go ahead. That does NOT mean I have to like weed, because I don’t. It’s the SAME for abortion....I do NOT like the concept of abortion, I believe that if you are an adult and you wanna FUCK without condoms or any contraception, then your ass better be prepared for the potential consequences! BUT....it should NOT be up to me or anyone to FORCE women to go through a pregnancy if they absolutely don’t want to! That child will come into an unloving world, to parents who are already fucking idiots! Why the fuck are we doing this? “Pro-Lifers” do NOT give a shit about these kids, they just DONT! They care about forcing women to go through a pregnancy, almost like a punishment...well, it kinda IS a punishment! |
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