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Aug 29, 2017 2:34 PM
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For example: Hajime no Ippo, Rainbow, Sakurako-san, Fukumenkei Noise, Zero kara hajimere no sho, relife and Orange and many more of anime I liked.. When looking at their sales it was completely SHIT under 1K..... What do Japanese people like? |
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Aug 29, 2017 2:38 PM
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Aug 29, 2017 2:44 PM
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Aug 29, 2017 2:53 PM
#4
D I F F E R E N T O P I N I O N S T H E H O R R O R I mean how can someone like Love Live is beyond me but that is why we call them opinions. You can look for recent top 100 list by Japanese people to see. Idk why I made a serious note to a shitpost... |
sasalxAug 29, 2017 2:59 PM
Aug 29, 2017 2:57 PM
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sasalx said: I mean how can someone like Love Live is beyond be but that is why we call them opinions. You can look for recent top 100 list by Japanese people to see. Moe is a big thing in Japan, but I share your opinion. |
Aug 29, 2017 2:57 PM
#6
It's because of the eyes. No seriously, the eyes. Our eyes are more open. We can see things that Japanese people can't. Like, for instance, a good show. When you squint your eyes and look at a ugly girl, they aren't as ugly. It's the same with Japanese. Their eyes are naturally squinted so they can't see the full anime, they only see half. That's why I want to move to Japan. I think I'll be able to find a girlfriend because she won't be able to see how ugly I am. |
Aug 29, 2017 2:59 PM
#7
Japanese people like different stuff from the international community, like for example you can see why male otaku would buy Blu-Rays for New Game! S2 rather than blu-rays for Made in Abyss or other shows from this season we consider "good" in America or other countries aside from Japan because.. MOE MOTHER F**KERS. Tbh Japan kinda has s**t taste compared to the international community if you check out the recent top 100 list that Japan did, everything related to Love Live! was in the Top 10, like seriously Japan? You know the best Idol Anime is Aikatsu! and Idolm@ster right? SMH |
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Aug 29, 2017 2:59 PM
#8
probably cultural differences. What Japanese people dislike might be something really appealing for us and vice-versa (Though i'm also very sad for Re:zero sales aswell) |
Aug 29, 2017 3:00 PM
#9
how much did the ippo manga sell in the us |
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Aug 29, 2017 3:03 PM
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Because nippon dont give a jesus ass about your western taste. Damn i already written the same thing so many times. |
Aug 29, 2017 3:04 PM
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Aug 29, 2017 3:07 PM
#12
hajime no ippo at least is too mainstream and appeal to a wider audience than otaku dvd buyers or something like that this is based mainly of this post: https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1656930#msg52096481 we can assume other anime are in similar situation for others you might be in minority of thinking they're good... |
Aug 29, 2017 3:10 PM
#13
> I liked doesn't mean they like it. So chill your ass fam. |
Aug 29, 2017 3:12 PM
#14
also ippo is bad as n adaptaion overall |
"If you tremble with indignation at every injustice, then you are a comrade of mine" When the union's inspiration through the workers' blood shall run There can be no power greater anywhere beneath the sun Yet what force on earth is weaker than the feeble strength of one For the Union makes us strong |
Aug 29, 2017 3:13 PM
#15
because people don't all agree with you on what is good |
Aug 29, 2017 3:20 PM
#16
You need to learn this rule bro It's not a moeshit anime that is produced by KyoAni ? Then of course the salls will be terrible. |
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Aug 29, 2017 3:22 PM
#17
Good anime is subjective, stop expecting the industry to cater to your specific tastes |
Aug 29, 2017 3:25 PM
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Aug 29, 2017 3:39 PM
#19
"why do all the GOOD anime sell so terribly in Japan?" It doesn't work like that. |
Aug 29, 2017 3:40 PM
#20
Rokka no Yuusha and Keijo for example but yep they have different taste |
Aug 29, 2017 3:51 PM
#21
Its not about japans taste, its about the way anime is consumed there. We browse it in forums and portals like mal and then watch it online. They watch them on tv like any normal tv show and then they go buy blurays if they are fans and have the money. A good show might go under the radar of its posible fans or just have none seeing it out of sheer bad luck. In mal, good shows that are kind of niche still get good scores, but no matter how good something is, the sales depend more on popularity. Even in the west shows that are critically aclaimed like haibane renmei or serial experiments line dont sell shit because there is not that much people to buy them, while the ''otakus'' drown themselves in naruto and fairy tail merch. |
Aug 29, 2017 3:59 PM
#22
Why do good anime sell bad in Japan? How in the world are you not banned yet? So many questions, so little answers. |
Aug 29, 2017 4:08 PM
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I don't know all the anime you've said, but those that I do know I enjoyed, like Sakurako-san and Relife. It's a little sad, but sometimes that's how it goes. The domestic market for anime is much more influencial than the international market (because Japan sucks at reaching out to the international audience). The Japanese market is also far far different from ours, anime has spent a good amount of the last 15 years building up the Otaku fan base. They'll never give any of the anime you mentioned much of a look. On the other hand, the casual Japanese audience will also be unlikely to evee come across these anime. They are the crowd that'll only consume more mainstream anime, not to dissimilar from the International causal anime watchers. Why do such anime gain so much love from us? Because we've been sucked into anime in a much different way than the casual or otaku fanbases. We get a lot of our anime news from seasonal lists, anime databases and our friends who are already into anime the same way we are. Also, HaXXspetten said: Why do all the shitty blockbuster Hollywood films sell so well in the US? This is not something that is somehow unique to Japan. Also #opinions To an extent this is also true. What makes an anime popular is usually not what makes it outstanding. |
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Aug 29, 2017 8:24 PM
#24
International commmunuty: Japan has shit taste Japan: International community has shit taste Taste, standard etc are subjective. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
Aug 29, 2017 8:32 PM
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Takamura-sama said: For example: Hajime no Ippo, Rainbow, Sakurako-san, Fukumenkei Noise, Zero kara hajimere no sho, relife and Orange and many more of anime I liked.. When looking at their sales it was completely SHIT under 1K..... What do Japanese people like? Anime in general doesn't sell, it's the manga that sell. Anime makes Manga sales higher. Anime series that sell ''a lot'' sell from 2-8k per volume. Only like 1 anime per season goes over that. Manga sales also mean more towards the probability of a season 2 than anime sales in general. So, based on your exemples. Hajime no Ippo's manga sells really well. The others aren't really that well know either in japan or worldwide. Not saying if they are good or not, i haven't watched most of them, but it's a fact that they aren't mainstream. Anime series that sell a lot in Japan are generally either Moe anime or Anime based on Games. But there are exceptions obviously. Kyoto Animation and Ufotable anime series generally sell the most out of any studio as far as i know. Well you could put Sunrise up there too. Some of the best selling anime i know of from recent years : - Love Live ! - Yuri On Ice - Granblue Fantasy The Animation These 3 are rather recent and all had 30k + sales per volume if i remember correctly. ''Older'' anime that sold a lot : - K-On - Fate Series ( Pretty sure all of it sold really well ) I really haven't read that much about sales but i remember those anime selling a lot. Madoka Magica also probably sold a shit ton. |
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Aug 29, 2017 8:33 PM
#27
disc sales (BD/DVD) are not the sole determining factor of profit for the anime industry look for merchandise sales and source material sales boost too like did the manga have a big sales boost? then you can expect a sequel for the anime that way too |
Aug 29, 2017 8:37 PM
#28
Because sales are only one way of having success. For example Ippo isn't a late night show as far as I know so it isn't expected to have high sales, just good TV ratings and keeping the source material relevant. Condiering the manga of Ippo has over 1000 chapters I find it ridiculous to assume the japanese don't like Ippo. Not many series are that successful and long-lived. Orange got a movie on top of the TV series so in some way it must have satisfied investors as well. Of course not everything you like will be successful in Japan (or anywhere), that's because you're an individual. But understanding that getting an anime in itself is already a sign of pretty high popularity and/or appreciation from Japan will go a long way towards being more reasonable when it comes to seeing the bigger picture. The manga/LN inustry is huge and getting an adaption is definitely a sign that a series is doing very well and is beloved by the japanese audiences. |
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Aug 29, 2017 8:44 PM
#29
Buying physical copies is a dying breed. I don't even like doing it unless I absolutely belove the series and even then I only do it for COMPLETED series. People and Japan especially who have the breaking seasons up into 2-3 episodes per disc are annoying and deserve to have the industry collapse on them. |
Aug 29, 2017 8:52 PM
#30
Pullman said: Because sales are only one way of having success. For example Ippo isn't a late night show as far as I know so it isn't expected to have high sales, just good TV ratings and keeping the source material relevant. Condiering the manga of Ippo has over 1000 chapters I find it ridiculous to assume the japanese don't like Ippo. Not many series are that successful and long-lived. Orange got a movie on top of the TV series so in some way it must have satisfied investors as well. Of course not everything you like will be successful in Japan (or anywhere), that's because you're an individual. But understanding that getting an anime in itself is already a sign of pretty high popularity and/or appreciation from Japan will go a long way towards being more reasonable when it comes to seeing the bigger picture. The manga/LN inustry is huge and getting an adaption is definitely a sign that a series is doing very well and is beloved by the japanese audiences. Ippo is late-night anime shows and famous for high viewer ratings among late-night anime. Some people are unaware of Ippo or other major sources are not depending on disc sales as much as minor sources which often largely rely on Disc sales.For example, Ippo's manga sales of this 30 years is about 35 bn yen counting tanko-bon alone and average 1 cour seasonal anime earn 0.1bn yen in disc sales. You need 350 cour/seasons of average seasonal anime disc sales to reach Ippo's manga sales. |
umashikanekoAug 29, 2017 9:01 PM
Aug 29, 2017 8:55 PM
#31
isekai said: disc sales (BD/DVD) are not the sole determining factor of profit for the anime industry look for merchandise sales and source material sales boost too like did the manga have a big sales boost? then you can expect a sequel for the anime that way too At this time of digital age. BD/DVD is kinda terrible imo. BD is kinda argueable for collector but should only be produced with Japanese and English Translation international otherwise it is a waste. Same thing with Manga/LN it needs properly translated to boost the sales else people wont be buying it. The fact that most anime are used to advertise source material. but instead boosting it, it probably kill some because it ends up on a cliffhanger and people stuck between buying the source but untranslated at least to English Language. Anime/Manga industries suffer from it to gain profit and selling out the DVD/BD, Merchandise wont be profitable as we enter 21st digital era. To even support the studio that working on it by streaming legally it doesnt really solve the problem because region blocks. The piracy however also act as the main issue that caused the anime industry to fall, but thats not the main reason why people pirate Anime/Manga. because either way without a proper access to support, theres really nothing changed from pirating it. |
Aug 29, 2017 8:58 PM
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Xaelath said: isekai said: disc sales (BD/DVD) are not the sole determining factor of profit for the anime industry look for merchandise sales and source material sales boost too like did the manga have a big sales boost? then you can expect a sequel for the anime that way too At this time of digital age. BD/DVD is kinda terrible imo. BD is kinda argueable for collector but should only be produced with Japanese and English Translation international otherwise it is a waste. Same thing with Manga/LN it needs properly translated to boost the sales else people wont be buying it. The fact that most anime are used to advertise source material. but instead boosting it, it probably kill some because it ends up on a cliffhanger and people stuck between buying the source but untranslated at least to English Language. Anime/Manga industries suffer from it to gain profit and selling out the DVD/BD, Merchandise wont be profitable as we enter 21st digital era. To even support the studio that working on it by streaming legally it doesnt really solve the problem because region blocks. The piracy however also act as the main issue that caused the anime industry to fall, but thats not the main reason why people pirate Anime/Manga. because either way without a proper access to support, theres really nothing changed from pirating it. ye good thing everything is going digital now and that includes manga Print Manga profit is down while Digital manga profit is up https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1615952 |
Aug 29, 2017 9:00 PM
#34
Japs have the shittiest of shit taste nowadays (Can't comment on the ones I've never touched though). There used to be a market for good anime, but that time has long past in favour of boobies and kawaii shit. Also, relife and Orange are shit, and zero kara blah blah blah is a LN advertisement. |
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Aug 29, 2017 9:08 PM
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Or you need 2 Evangelion franchise home video sales to reach Ippo's tanko bon sales. |
Aug 29, 2017 9:10 PM
#36
Kuraokani said: It's because of the eyes. No seriously, the eyes. Our eyes are more open. We can see things that Japanese people can't. Like, for instance, a good show. When you squint your eyes and look at a ugly girl, they aren't as ugly. It's the same with Japanese. Their eyes are naturally squinted so they can't see the full anime, they only see half. That's why I want to move to Japan. I think I'll be able to find a girlfriend because she won't be able to see how ugly I am. this is the most sarcasm comment i've seen all day thank you, that was good |
Aug 30, 2017 12:12 AM
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Long_Ng said: Kuraokani said: It's because of the eyes. No seriously, the eyes. Our eyes are more open. We can see things that Japanese people can't. Like, for instance, a good show. When you squint your eyes and look at a ugly girl, they aren't as ugly. It's the same with Japanese. Their eyes are naturally squinted so they can't see the full anime, they only see half. That's why I want to move to Japan. I think I'll be able to find a girlfriend because she won't be able to see how ugly I am. this is the most sarcasm comment i've seen all day thank you, that was good Lol i should make a note of this quote. |
Aug 30, 2017 12:24 AM
#38
Xaelath said: Long_Ng said: Kuraokani said: It's because of the eyes. No seriously, the eyes. Our eyes are more open. We can see things that Japanese people can't. Like, for instance, a good show. When you squint your eyes and look at a ugly girl, they aren't as ugly. It's the same with Japanese. Their eyes are naturally squinted so they can't see the full anime, they only see half. That's why I want to move to Japan. I think I'll be able to find a girlfriend because she won't be able to see how ugly I am. this is the most sarcasm comment i've seen all day thank you, that was good Lol i should make a note of this quote. I knew there was a reason I wanted to move to Japan, but I never could've put it in words. This post opened my eyes to the truth. |
Aug 30, 2017 12:58 AM
#39
Been asking this question ever since the whole low sale thing with Noragami Aragoto. I get that it's a sequel, but the sales were way too low for something that sold pretty good for the first season. Mean while shit like Re:Zero and Eromanga sensei are earning a lot of money. I will never understand the Japanese anime community. |
Help the industry and buy Blu-rays and DVD's. Noragami is the best anime ever. |
Aug 30, 2017 1:20 AM
#40
Probably because they don't like mainstream anime so much. I don't know how it was in past, but now they're obsessed with moe anime. The most popular anime in Japan right now is Tiger & Bunny. I've recently just heard of it (that was in some top 100 anime in Japan list) and I've never watched it, but it's the most popular anime in Japan. They like Love Live! and everything about it. The exception is Haikyuu! This is the only anime in top 5 which is not a moe anime... |
Aug 30, 2017 2:05 AM
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Aug 30, 2017 2:06 AM
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_Goldee_ said: Probably because they don't like mainstream anime so much. I don't know how it was in past, but now they're obsessed with moe anime. The most popular anime in Japan right now is Tiger & Bunny. I've recently just heard of it (that was in some top 100 anime in Japan list) and I've never watched it, but it's the most popular anime in Japan. They like Love Live! and everything about it. The exception is Haikyuu! This is the only anime in top 5 which is not a moe anime... You got it wrong, it just topped some online poll and tiger and bunny is by no means mainstream if any relatively few people even know exsitence of tiger and bunny tbh. |
Aug 30, 2017 2:07 AM
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Aug 30, 2017 2:14 AM
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AnimeAddict117 said: maybe Japanese ppl like something alil different from us...maybe our tastes are a little different from theirs Yeah they are different. Like someone mentioned they have different eyes they see half what we see |
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Aug 30, 2017 2:28 AM
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Shattiiee said: probably cultural differences. What Japanese people dislike might be something really appealing for us and vice-versa (Though i'm also very sad for Re:zero sales aswell) Re:Zero sales are solid actually , not as good as they could have been , but good enough for season 2 i think :D Back to the question , i can't understand either . It's probably because the japanese otakus are hardcore moe lovers and prefer to spend their money on that kind of anime , unlike us who would rather buy some quality and memorable ones . I mean , do you know how poor Death Parade sales are ? I am absolutely shocked ... and dissapointed . |
Aug 30, 2017 2:53 AM
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OyAlinDesu said: Re:Zero sales are solid actually , not as good as they could have been , but good enough for season 2 i think :D Ye I'm really hoping it's high enough for a 2nd season. If not, then riot. |
Aug 30, 2017 2:56 AM
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Otaku? I have no stake in this, haven't watched anything made passed 2010. Oh and for anyone who DOES care about the industry: put your money were your mouth is. Buy good stuff if you want more of it made instead of complaining. It is a common misconception that your voice is meaningless. In a niche industry every sale matters. |
FeniksrisesAug 30, 2017 3:00 AM
Aug 30, 2017 3:09 AM
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Aug 30, 2017 3:14 AM
#49
Shattiiee said: OyAlinDesu said: Re:Zero sales are solid actually , not as good as they could have been , but good enough for season 2 i think :D Ye I'm really hoping it's high enough for a 2nd season. If not, then riot. Re:zero sold really good... Season 2 is going to come once the LN sales go down. The sales are so fucking good |
In the name of Allah, the Gracious, the Merciful. | You know what I hate the most? People who aren't free. They're no more than cattle. |
Aug 30, 2017 3:37 AM
#50
Takamura-sama said: Shattiiee said: OyAlinDesu said: Re:Zero sales are solid actually , not as good as they could have been , but good enough for season 2 i think :D Ye I'm really hoping it's high enough for a 2nd season. If not, then riot. Re:zero sold really good... Season 2 is going to come once the LN sales go down. The sales are so fucking good More like it's waiting few more volume before second season. If it's ever happen remember the full 25 episode (26) adapt whole 9 volume. The LN need like another 12 incase it's another 26 full episode run. Tbh Japanese anime industry is indeed terrible made the distribution to international. Although i don't have proof. It happens on most of JRPG games. The terms are famous because most of game that made it out with English port especially came with digital copies sells alot compared non. Thus almost the reason why most of the jrpg coming to PC this past 4 years. Bandai/Square enix/Capcom/including other smaller publisher like Idea Factory made it happens. The anime wise still binded with region lock, merchandise selling, BD/DVD without digital copies (legal version), etx. I mentioned it again it does not only applies to anime , because it also includes Manga and Light novel. Thus fans translation happen. Doesn't sell well eh? More like doesn't distribute well. |
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