| As the title says, I often hear people hating on an ending when it doesnt tie up all the strings and explain everything (which adds to the realism if done right), or if its not "happy" since "the characters deserved a happy ending"? |
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| Because if things don't go the way they want their enjoyment is ruined. Anime is made to please them so if it doesn't then it's bad. I don't think I fit the category most of the time as proven by my favorites. |
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| Idk. I personally like bittersweet endings, like in TTGL. |
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Maneki-Mew said: To me if a show manages to break your heart like that and has such a big impact then its done a good job, if you hate it for being so heartbreaking then its done a great job as a story and should throw you into a love/hate relationship with itIt's unsatisfying. It's the same as your favorite dies. Maybe it's a good or interesting choice for the plot, but you don't want that from the bottom of your heart. |
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Red_Ryu12345 said: Yep, that's how you should do an open ending, Im asking why do people hate when an ending concludes the main plot in some shape or form, but then the characters go off and do other stuff but its never explained just what they do.Something like Grimoire of Zero is fine as an open ending in contrast because it completed it's story and tied up the loose ends, it just ends with the main two going off on other adventures. If it continues or not is not the issue because it's main story thread finished and completed properly. |
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| bittersweet and sad endings can be good but only if done right. its easy to tell when its done poorly because the writer does not know where to go with the story and try for cheep feels of killing off a character. for example as for open endings do you mean endings that cut off the story halfway through leaving you with more questions then answer? or open endings like where the author lets the people watching the show decide what happened Red_Ryu12345 said: Bittersweet or sad is fine if it is earned. If it is an ending that makes sense given what happens and the events that lead to it. The main character might die at the end of a show or have a bad ending but that is fine if it makes sense. Open endings on the other hand I will take away points from a show if it ends on a cliffhanger with no chance of it every continuing. this well said(typed?) |
GrimAtramentJul 26, 2017 9:59 AM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
Red_Ryu12345 said: RottedRabbit said: Yep, that's how you should do an open ending, Im asking why do people hate when an ending concludes the main plot in some shape or form, but then the characters go off and do other stuff but its never explained just what they do. If people feel like the show went nowhere and stayed open ended they can be pissed. Things like Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers might be worse in this regard where it builds to a mystery and then after answering it trolls you with another one with no progress as to anything else the story set up. It leaves you at a point where it might as well say, "Go read the light novel to find out!" That's when I think a series rightfully so should be told off for pulling crap like that. Which is also why I dropped a point off my rating on it for that alone, though I am rewatching it as well to figure out if I was too kind with it on a first viewing. Rokka: Braves of the Six Flowers was the biggest waste of my time....uggh |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
| Speaking for myself, I watch tv shows and animes to somewhat escape from real life, it's like a fantasy that I'll never get When they are open ended, I feel no closure, which is uncomfortable, like an unfinished thought (or conversation), when it's bittersweet or sad, I feel worse than I was before and it's like a waste of time. I watch feel better, and making it inconclusive or sad destroys the whole purpose -- if I'm being dramatic -- I'd say it almost feels like I've been tricked. But that doesn't mean I hate the show, if it's well-executed I might even watch it again! |
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hazerddex said: bittersweet and sad endings can be good but only if done right. its easy to tell when its done poorly because the writer does not know where to go with the story and try for cheep feels of killing off a character. for example as for open endings do you mean endings that cut off the story halfway through leaving you with more questions then answer? or open endings like where the author lets the people watching the show decide what happened Red_Ryu12345 said: Bittersweet or sad is fine if it is earned. If it is an ending that makes sense given what happens and the events that lead to it. The main character might die at the end of a show or have a bad ending but that is fine if it makes sense. Open endings on the other hand I will take away points from a show if it ends on a cliffhanger with no chance of it every continuing. this well said(typed?) When I say open ended I mean when it concludes the main narrative but leaves more questions |
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| Mhm, it's all about execution really. Open endings are good to a certain extent, like it taking a negative impact on the build-up and tension of the show, eradicating pledges and questions the story created itself or lacks proper closure in plot-holes/major key points in the story.In other words, open endings are fine, only when the story is completely wrapped up or implies promises of a continuation. Bittersweet endings are somewhat of the same thing, it's good when it makes sense and has an actual purpose. Funny cause I find bittersweet endings so much harder to pull and execute cause at this point, it's so easy for anyone to write the main character to utter happiness and success, especially when it's written in the common story structure. "Exposition, inciting incident, rising action, climax, falling action, moment of final suspense and resolution" which is how most shounens are formatted. But yeah, most probably hate it because most animes don't properly execute them, and when they do, it's really poor. and of course, most anime fans hate watching stories that don't go their way lol, so they rage and classify the story as "bad" |
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| there is a big difference btw sad ending and bad ending Open ending can be annoying though and yeah some characters deserve a happy ending all the poor childhood friends who keep helping the mc the whole serie only to get rejected in the end |
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| Open endings are usually bad indeed, because they leave the story unfnished... |
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| Open-endings: I don't consider them bad, because they leave room for a speculations and such. People without imagination consider them bad. |
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-Zeaos said: Totally agree. I dont like when endings cut half way through the story, but I find it fun to speculate and really look into endings so you can wonder what happens and/or why stuff did, or what the ending even was!Open-endings: I don't consider them bad, because they leave room for a speculations and such. People without imagination consider them bad. |
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| I don't like sad or bittersweet endings if they're made just to ramp up drama or enforce some lame idea of realism. A lot of Makoto Shinkai films have such endings. I would have preferred the characters in Garden of Words, for instance, to have a better end. I also think Your Lie in April would be just as beautiful without the tragic end. |
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| Because they can't appreciate these endings. They'd just rather see everything work out great for their favorite characters. Personally I really enjoy a well-executed open and/or bittersweet ending. |
AniMatt17 said: True, I feel like hollywood has exposed people to too much happy and perfect endings that follow all the cliches and people cant stand getting away from them nowBecause they can't appreciate these endings. They'd just rather see everything work out great for their favorite characters. Personally I really enjoy a well-executed open and/or bittersweet ending. |
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| Well, if it doesn't tie up everything it should've then that would make me more upset, a good example is 20th Century Boys, it was amazing but the ending was soooooo lackluster (I'm not mentioning 21st Century Boys where they tie up the loose ends because its a different manga) |
Pyxus said: Might add in, did 21CB do a good job at fixing stuff up? also I say you should count it, its a sequel series, similar to how they publish different seasons of anime under different names and individually, it still counts.Well, if it doesn't tie up everything it should've then that would make me more upset, a good example is 20th Century Boys, it was amazing but the ending was soooooo lackluster (I'm not mentioning 21st Century Boys where they tie up the loose ends because its a different manga) |
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RottedRabbit said: Not sure, I haven't read much of 21stCB. And I don't think referring to sequel series would be a logical choice in determining if something had a good ending or not. Just because the sequel series had a good ending doesn't excuse the fact that that sequel series was made to tie up the loose ends of the prequel series.Pyxus said: Might add in, did 21CB do a good job at fixing stuff up? also I say you should count it, its a sequel series, similar to how they publish different seasons of anime under different names and individually, it still counts.Well, if it doesn't tie up everything it should've then that would make me more upset, a good example is 20th Century Boys, it was amazing but the ending was soooooo lackluster (I'm not mentioning 21st Century Boys where they tie up the loose ends because its a different manga) |
Pyxus said: I disagree about that,the good thing about having a whole sequel (even if its just a movie/mini series) for an ending is that they can be given extra time / budget to flesh out the ending, and they're generally easier to forget about if you dont find them satisfyingRottedRabbit said: Not sure, I haven't read much of 21stCB. And I don't think referring to sequel series would be a logical choice in determining if something had a good ending or not. Just because the sequel series had a good ending doesn't excuse the fact that that sequel series was made to tie up the loose ends of the prequel series.Might add in, did 21CB do a good job at fixing stuff up? also I say you should count it, its a sequel series, similar to how they publish different seasons of anime under different names and individually, it still counts. |
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RottedRabbit said: Its true that making a sequel to cover things up would be a good thing and satisfactory for the viewer/reader, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the prequel had a bad ending which is what lead to the sequel being produced in the first place. In the end its based on personal preference, I don't mind if you include sequels in deciding whether something had a good/bad ending.Pyxus said: I disagree about that,the good thing about having a whole sequel (even if its just a movie/mini series) for an ending is that they can be given extra time / budget to flesh out the ending, and they're generally easier to forget about if you dont find them satisfyingNot sure, I haven't read much of 21stCB. And I don't think referring to sequel series would be a logical choice in determining if something had a good ending or not. Just because the sequel series had a good ending doesn't excuse the fact that that sequel series was made to tie up the loose ends of the prequel series. |
RottedRabbit said: Its true that making a sequel to cover things up would be a good thing and satisfactory for the viewer/reader, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the prequel had a bad ending which is what lead to the sequel being produced in the first place. In the end its based on personal preference, I don't mind if you include sequels in deciding whether something had a good/bad ending.Pyxus said: I disagree about that,the good thing about having a whole sequel (even if its just a movie/mini series) for an ending is that they can be given extra time / budget to flesh out the ending, and they're generally easier to forget about if you dont find them satisfyingNot sure, I haven't read much of 21stCB. And I don't think referring to sequel series would be a logical choice in determining if something had a good ending or not. Just because the sequel series had a good ending doesn't excuse the fact that that sequel series was made to tie up the loose ends of the prequel series. |
| Don't know what are you at since sad endings are people's favorite thing here. Also, that's just me but i tend to enjoy open endings more than anything, i love the bittersweet feeling they give and let you imagine that life goes on for the characters. River's Edge does this and always break me apart. Shinji and Asuka last scene in EoE give me a similar feeling too. |
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Pyxus said: When The sequel only happened because of poor reception of the original ending I do feel like it can easily feel tacked on, and is usually better when it was planned.RottedRabbit said: Its true that making a sequel to cover things up would be a good thing and satisfactory for the viewer/reader, but that doesn't excuse the fact that the prequel had a bad ending which is what lead to the sequel being produced in the first place. In the end its based on personal preference, I don't mind if you include sequels in deciding whether something had a good/bad ending.I disagree about that,the good thing about having a whole sequel (even if its just a movie/mini series) for an ending is that they can be given extra time / budget to flesh out the ending, and they're generally easier to forget about if you dont find them satisfying |
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_Ako_ said: I mean actual ending/Finales of show. My opinion on what makes a good op is a mix of symbolism, references to the story, or being like Paronoia Agent and messing with your head (although that was kind of symbolism too)One thing I know about OP/ED is it reveals shit to the story. |
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RottedRabbit said: _Ako_ said: I mean actual ending/Finales of show. My opinion on what makes a good op is a mix of symbolism, references to the story, or being like Paronoia Agent and messing with your head (although that was kind of symbolism too)One thing I know about OP/ED is it reveals shit to the story. Ohhh you mean the ending... I dunno dude... A lot of ppl seem to hate TWGOK ending just because kami-sama just picked my ship... :/ A good open ending, is like what you describe dude... Not too sure about others though, if they also think of that as "good" |
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IpreferEcchi said: I disagree, as long as the series has reached the main narrative goal then it should be worthy of having a good, open ending. If the series ends with opening more questions/ the main characters go off on other adventures, if done right it can create room for speculation/theories which adds makes finishing the series that much more fun, as well as memorable since you'll be wondering what happenedBecause closure matters and I want a fulfilling ending. |
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RottedRabbit said: IpreferEcchi said: I disagree, as long as the series has reached the main narrative goal then it should be worthy of having a good, open ending. If the series ends with opening more questions/ the main characters go off on other adventures, if done right it can create room for speculation/theories which adds makes finishing the series that much more fun, as well as memorable since you'll be wondering what happenedBecause closure matters and I want a fulfilling ending. A fulfilling ending doesn't mean you can't do those things. I want the security of knowing that characters I care about are well off, or else I WON'T be interested in them further. I like to think about what happens in paradise, not some purgatory. |
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| [quote=IpreferEcchi message=51677364] RottedRabbit said: IpreferEcchi said: I want the security of knowing that characters I care about are well off, or else I WON'T be interested in them further..Because closure matters and I want a fulfilling ending. Opposite of me, when I'm uncertain if the characters I love will end up in a good or bad state then I love the worrying feeling it gives you |
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| I forgot to add that Dog Days is a perfect example of an anime with a fulfilling ending and multiple sequels. The first season was very riveting, too. But it managed to resolve things! I have to re-add it to my list. I need to start over with it because I didn't watch seasons 2 and 3 on my own. Picking up with things a mess only gets in the way of moving things forward. It keeps the focus on the negative instead of breaking new ground. |
IpreferEcchiJul 26, 2017 5:03 PM
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Why are bittersweet/sad and open endings often considered "Bad"? Bittersweet: I don't usually have a problem with these, though if I do it's because one of the following: a) It was unsatisfying b) it was just pointless depression for depression's sake c) It did something to piss me off like killed a character I really liked unnecessarily Sad: I don't like feeling sad, and feel like the time I spent watching it was wasted, so I don't usually enjoy sad ending. Sometimes I don't mind them though, so there are a few exceptions. Open Ending: These feel unfinished and I feel like I got cheated out of something because the writer was too damn lazy to bother writing a proper conclusion. Indecisiveness annoys me, just choose one or the other. Overall they are unsatisfying and it's frustrating that I will never be able to get a clear answer. Unsolved important plot points will nag at for YEARS and drive me nuts, I must know which it is and have closure. |
KruszerJul 26, 2017 5:36 PM
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| I love bittersweet and sad endings, as well as open ones. They are so much more realistic than the "happily ever after" crap. I don't know why some people consider them "bad", they should watch children's shows instead I guess. |
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| I don't even take this into consideration when I rate something because it's not something I look at in a negative way. Happy or Sad, doesn't matter to me both can be done well. Whether it's open ended or conclusive, the end result does not nearly matter as much as overall experience. Are you going to say education is meaningless because it didn't net you the job you wanted in life, or the ideal friends, or the house you wanted? or the ideal family/spouse and kids you wanted? I wouldn't. Not to say that there aren't ending which can totally ruin a show though. There are certainly endings that can just make you feel like the whole watch was less meaningful. But whether it's open ended or closed, that doesn't really affect my thinking about the quality of the show. Also what is considered truly open endings can be up for debate and will probably differ with each person. (IMO) Ex: open ended - good: oregairu. open ended - bad: juuni kokuki (It's a shame really this one had so much potential.. ugh whyyyy) Ex: conclusive - good: ping pong the animation. conclusive - bad: little busters refrain |
| It's only bad if the plot never actually reached a conclusion. Otherwise plebs just be butthurt plebs. |
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| It can be open, bittersweet, sad or whatever, it doesn't matter as long as I feel it to be fulfilling. Funny. |
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| Bittersweet ending is good if executed well imo :O But open ending? I have a mixed feeling about this. They left us to interpret how much we want about the ending. And yet I don't consider it bad. What I considered bad is the ending that ended like nothing happened or maybe ending that triggers me really hard like Kimi no Iru Machi. |
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