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Jun 30, 2017 5:40 PM
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Saw this Tumblr post on Twitter.

Thoughts?

EDIT Post was deleted. But basically they were saying these words have a negative sexual connotation and us using it just encourages pedophilia.
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Jun 30, 2017 5:42 PM
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Fapping at little shota boys doesn't make someone a pedophile.

Only the 40+ crowd would believe that shit.

Jun 30, 2017 5:44 PM
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''Sexual connotation''

Yeah

''encourage pedophilia''

Nah.
Jun 30, 2017 5:47 PM
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What exactly is pedophillia? I've heard some people think it's only kids (1-12) and others believe it's anything under 18 I'm confused
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''Sexual connotation''

Yeah

''encourage pedophilia''

Nah.
Jun 30, 2017 5:53 PM
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It does indeed encourage pedophilia. I can tell you lolicon refers to porn a lot more than it does to a minor looking anime character. If someone is a lolicon, I'd automatically think he spanks his monkey to drawn kids.

Pornographic Lolicon and shotacon is illegal in Australia since it depicts kids in sexual manner even if they're not kids. Just like why we don't have A cup porn stars either. It's associated with porn as often as it's not.

So it very much can be looked at as a window to pedophilia, but going off my countries laws and standards. I can safely say, lolicon and shotacon encourages that shit. I don't like it either and it shouldn't even be accepted into the anime community. I'd be worried if you call yourself a lolicon would definitely keep you well away from my kids.



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mochakawaiibear said:
What exactly is pedophillia? I've heard some people think it's only kids (1-12) and others believe it's anything under 18 I'm confused
Technicalities and what's actually described in dialogue are two different things.

I think it's retarded defining it with a specific age. It's just being attracted to little kiddos. Different people do develop at different ages, though.


Jun 30, 2017 6:20 PM
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No, this is not harmful, the ones harmful are probably the ones behind the curtain typing it.
Jun 30, 2017 6:21 PM
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words are just words my duuuuude

its the acts that comes with it are what c a n be a problem



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Jun 30, 2017 6:22 PM
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Tumblr is much more harmful than lolis and shotas.
Jun 30, 2017 6:24 PM

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It encourages it as much as action flicks encourage murder... and watching Batman encourages vigilantism. If you think you are in danger of 'harmful' influences, stick to 'pureflicks' which only encourage you to pray someone accepts Jesus instead of call an ambulance after someone is hit by a car.
The anime community in a nutshell.
Jun 30, 2017 6:26 PM
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I can confirm it does encourage it, every time after fapping to a loli I go out and rape kids. And every time I play a video game I go out at night and murder people.

100% correct.

Ban both
Jul 1, 2017 6:44 AM
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lol who are the idiots who would call themselves lolicons or shotacons... just fap in secret jeez
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Jul 1, 2017 8:02 AM

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Yeah, well, words evolve. Digging up old definitions that are irrelevant to current context is about as useless as decrying everyone who uses the word "gay" at a Pride parade. Literally no one who uses the word loli goes around thinking "Hehehehe, I like lolis. And loli stems from the word lolita. Which means little girl. I liek little girlz hehehehehehe."

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It does indeed encourage pedophilia. I can tell you lolicon refers to porn a lot more than it does to a minor looking anime character. If someone is a lolicon, I'd automatically think he spanks his monkey to drawn kids.

Pornographic Lolicon and shotacon is illegal in Australia since it depicts kids in sexual manner even if they're not kids. Just like why we don't have A cup porn stars either. It's associated with porn as often as it's not.

So it very much can be looked at as a window to pedophilia, but going off my countries laws and standards. I can safely say, lolicon and shotacon encourages that shit. I don't like it either and it shouldn't even be accepted into the anime community. I'd be worried if you call yourself a lolicon would definitely keep you well away from my kids.
I'll take this seriously when Australia can get its rape rate down as low as Japan's. Also your country gave birth to Peter Scully, most vile pedophile in modern history.
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@turnip you make quite a few bold claims in that paragraph but I'd beg that there's a clear difference between "loli" and "lolicon" the latter being more pornographic in nature while the former being the one OP was actually asking about

I think saying "i like loli characters" contains a different meaning than "i am a lolicon"

Also your appeal to authority doesn't really hold much weight. . . I mean why not take the opposite and ask @Immahnoob how his government would handle it? i'd be married away by the time I was 13 to be used as his sex slave. . .





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Jul 1, 2017 11:22 AM
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Well, it is tumblr. They'll be offended by the word "stupid" and call it "ableist" for christs sake.
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mochakawaiibear said:
What exactly is pedophillia? I've heard some people think it's only kids (1-12) and others believe it's anything under 18 I'm confused
Also this


Alegrar said:
''Sexual connotation''

Yeah

''encourage pedophilia''

Nah.

Educated people define pedophilia as a sexual disorder where sexual (and romantic) urges and fantasies involve pre-pubescent children approximately ages 11-12 is the line (only ages 11-13 attracted are called hebephiles and those who have sexual fantasies involving toddlers are infantophiles) and 14-19 attracted are called ephebophiles. To get diagnosed with pedophilia you'd need to be at least 16 year old. There's a difference between pedophilia and ephebophilia, while it's unclear how one becomes a pedophile (addiction, brain differences, childhood trauma etc.) ephebophilia is mostly believed to be either from biological reason (breeding) or cultural.

While shota and loli words mostly are associated with sexual undertones that necessary doesn't mean that in anime community. I have seen people call themselves loli/shotacons even if they just like cute girls/boys doing cute things not in sexual way. And we're only speaking of western community here, lolicon/lolita complex is a synonym for pedophilia in Japan and I'd guess same goes with shota. Cultural differences and lack of understanding language playing a part here like with word otaku.

And yes there are some pedophiles who're into loli/shota it doesn't mean all are, those people often use non-sexual pictures of real children to fuel their fantasies (and seem to have some kind of obsession with them). If you ask me the loli/shota one is lesser evil and less creepy one here and you can't really pray the pedophilia away.

I also have doubts everyone liking loli/shota would be a pedophile (maybe only pedophilic fantasies), like a 2d little girl that has eyes size of baseball doesn't look anything like real child not to even mention behavior. Beside there was a japanese magazine maybe from the 70's-80's that published actual real child porn alongside lolicon, readers demanded the real pictures would be removed and only wanted drawings. If someone enjoying anything in fiction meant they also would do it in real life and endorse it I would be a serial killer rapist who eats his victims' flesh. Surprise I'm not a lunatic. And incest isn't a common problem in Japan despite all the incest hentai and those anime coming out each year. Who could have guessed.

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Tumblr is much more harmful than lolis and shotas.

Last time I checked some teenagers on tumblr ruined a woman's life by accusing her of zoophilia. Actually what happened was some sick fuck used an innocent woman's facebook profile picture and dumb teenagers running an callout blog didn't do any digging and just reported to the police. She lost her job as she worked with animals and couldn't even bring this case to court and those teenagers still refuse to admit they did anything wrong. Saying loli three times in front of a mirror isn't even remotely bad.
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I don't think I've really used shota before, but loli I kinda use for jokes. I mean it's the fucking internet you can't really expect people to take shit seriously, but the amount of people who are genuinely into lolis and openly admit that is kind of disturbing.

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Jul 1, 2017 12:57 PM
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Have the internet really sunken to the level of being afraid of mere words now?

Welp guess we'll have to start censoring words like "killing", "death" and "murder" from now on too
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Of course it comes from Tumblr, of all places. Literal cancer. Who pays attention to anything on that website?
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Jul 1, 2017 4:41 PM

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words change in meaning over time. A person's sexual disorder doesn't.
Jul 1, 2017 8:08 PM

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I think saying "i like loli characters" contains a different meaning than "i am a lolicon"

Nah sorry I'd still lump you into the same group. If you're liking specific group of characters then it's a fetish/preference for you I can assure you. I'd still keep you well away from my children.

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I'll take this seriously when Australia can get its rape rate down as low as Japan's. Also your country gave birth to Peter Scully, most vile pedophile in modern history.
Why do you think we have such strict pedophile laws? Pedophiles in Australia aren't treated very nicely, every charged pedophile in jail has to get their own special little area in our prisons because the inmates will bash or kill them.

And as for you "rape rate down as low as japan" we have the age of 16/17 as the age of consent not fuckin' 13. So a lot of our rape charges are with minors, I can tell you there's a lot more sexually active 14-15 year olds then there are sexually active 12 year olds. Use your head and work out the maths dude lol



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Mayuka said:
Saw this Tumblr post on Twitter. They say that these words give off a sexual connotation and encourage pedophilia.

Thoughts?
Words hurt people. Saying loli out loud to someone is like punching them in the stomach twice.
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Idk where Loli came from originally but it makes me think of like a Dolly, or Lolly gagging, or like a little troll girl cause she lol's so much.

those are my connotations :I

I don't use the other word jejej naturally I'm not into shota.

Not sexually into Lolis either tho.

Man this sounds bad lol.
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Idk where Loli came from originally

It comes from "Lolita," the name of a novel about a man who becomes... ah... "involved" with his twelve-year-old stepdaughter. Lolita was the girl's nickname.

The novel was banned in some countries for a few years due to its content. The fact that the author inadvertently published it through a firm that specialized in erotica didn't help matters.

I haven't read it, but I understand it's still a controversial work, albeit one revered for its quality.

On-Topic: No, the terms themselves do not encourage pedophilia. That's absolutely absurd.
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xrockxz89 said:
Idk where Loli came from originally

It comes from "Lolita," the name of a novel about a man who becomes... ah... "involved" with his twelve-year-old stepdaughter. Lolita was the girl's nickname.

The novel was banned in some countries for a few years due to its content. The fact that the author inadvertently published it through a firm that specialized in erotica didn't help matters.

I haven't read it, but I understand it's still a controversial work, albeit one revered for its quality.

On-Topic: No, the terms themselves do not encourage pedophilia. That's absolutely absurd.


Oh dang I forgot, yeah it's from Lolita fashion of course https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lolita_fashion

says on wikipedia that the origin is considered unclear, but maybe it was from that novel.
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I'm no psychologist, so I don't know if it encourages pedophelia in non-pedophiles, but I find it very hard to believe it doesn't encourage pedophiles to indulge their mental illness.

Words aren't harmful, but the content itself is detrimental to society if you ask me.
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Pornographic drawings depicted as prepubescent kids falls under our child pornography laws and you'll be charged and labeled a pedophile.


They can't be under-age because they dont have personhood or an irl age because they arent real thus age laws can't apply to them. They are only under-age in their own fictional world but because it is a fictional world they aren't always under-age either from the different fictional laws or they are like 100 years old in a young body in this fictional world.

Also Australia's politics are retarded. Some group tried to outlaw small breasted girls even. So literally a law to discriminate against people with certain body types. So that isn't anything to go by. Though I'm not sure if Austalia has laws specifically for loli stuff or if it just has laws that are vague enough that it sweeps fictional stuff as same as reality.
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Want to learn how to prevent burglary? Ask your local burglar (although they're probably in prison).
Want to know how to prevent mugging? Ask your local mugger (not the police).
Want to know how to prevent predatory paedophilia? Ask your local convicted pedophile! (not that they know what the hell "loli" and "shota" means).
Jul 2, 2017 3:46 AM

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No. Words don't harm anyone. And yes it is used for fetishes. Back then some years ago I mainly knew/used it for hentai. But know this is also common for non-hentai young girls and boys. Doesn't mean it is not a fetish to like that drawn stuff especially if their character/personality usually is annoying (in anime) and would make it harder to like them but people still like them.

He is correct about the words shounen and shoujo. And shounen ai and shoujo ai means an adult person fucking a young boy or girl. (Does not need to be homosexual in fact most of the time you think of guys liking younger kids and for shoujo ai guy + young girl it would be heterosexual.)

Worse than the use of loli/shota (which is totally normal to me) that people on MAL use shounen ai and shoujo ai wrong and even have it listed as genre for "light yuri" and "light yaoi". :D
Jul 2, 2017 3:51 AM

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I'm basically with @Turnip on this. If you call yourself a lolicon or enjoy beating off to anime children then I sure as hell will never take the risk of exposing my children to you. Does liking lolis mean you'd touch a real child? I don't know, probably not, but its not a risk that is worth taking.

In the UK we have the same prison regulations for the same reason. Pedos are kept in their own wing because if they were mixed in with the others they would most likely be killed.

On a side note, Illya and Miyu's asses look weird af in that gif. They look like they've shit themselves.
Jul 2, 2017 8:05 AM

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Lolicon and pedophile are the words that are considered dangerous.

"Maybe he's trying to take a shit, but the shit just won't come out."
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Jul 2, 2017 8:06 AM

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Turnip said:
It does indeed encourage pedophilia. I can tell you lolicon refers to porn a lot more than it does to a minor looking anime character. If someone is a lolicon, I'd automatically think he spanks his monkey to drawn kids.

Pornographic Lolicon and shotacon is illegal in Australia since it depicts kids in sexual manner even if they're not kids. Just like why we don't have A cup porn stars either. It's associated with porn as often as it's not.

So it very much can be looked at as a window to pedophilia, but going off my countries laws and standards. I can safely say, lolicon and shotacon encourages that shit. I don't like it either and it shouldn't even be accepted into the anime community. I'd be worried if you call yourself a lolicon would definitely keep you well away from my kids.


Hey, I have been sexually attracted to a few anime lolis once, but I have never ever been attracted to real life children.

In conclusion, try to keep an open mind and don't assume what someone is actually like based on their tastes in cartoons.

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@People who are STILL arguing this loli= Pedo bullshit.

You know you're on a website that literally has animated loli and shouta PORN on its database, right???

As in...it doesn't consider it an "illegal" thing...

Because it's fucking not!

It's a cartoon.

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A lot of people alredy told you, watch loli-shota material don't covert people in peophiles, that terms it's only clasificatories to that fictional material, it's fiction and anyone with sufficient maturity recognize the thin line of fap with draws and try to abuse childs.
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Turnip said:
traed said:


They can't be under-age because they dont have personhood or an irl age because they arent real thus age laws can't apply to them. They are only under-age in their own fictional world but because it is a fictional world they aren't always under-age either from the different fictional laws or they are like 100 years old in a young body in this fictional world.
They don't have to be underage, they have to look underage. That's the crucial part that breaks our laws.

Oh wow I reiterate that's fucking retarded and discriminatory as well as so arbitrary the law could easily be abused. I thought those laws didn't pass. That's just for porn right? Or does it go all the way to nudes and sex?
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Turnip said:
SuperRed said:

Hey, I have been sexually attracted to a few anime lolis once, but I have never ever been attracted to real life children.
That's fine, but I'm still not letting you near my children since you've just admitted you're attracted to prepubescent characters.

SuperRed said:

In conclusion, all Australians are fucking ignorant retards who don't know shit try to keep an open mind and don't assume what someone is actually like based on their tastes in cartoons.

I think that you need to keep an open mind. Please do not insult all of Australia because you don't like the pedophilia charges that would be laid upon you because of your sexual attraction to drawn prepubescent kids.


Characters, yes, which aren't real people.

Also, the crossed out lines was because I don't actually think Australians are dumb and was meant to be ironic intentionally generalizing as you generalize lolicons are pedophiles.

But hey, keep pretending you know more about my sexuality than I know myself.
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SuperRed said:

Characters, yes, which aren't real people.

But they are still people!

SuperRed said:

Also, the crossed out lines was because I don't actually think Australians are dumb and was meant to be ironic intentionally generalizing as you generalize lolicons are pedophiles.

I never once generalized that lolicons were pedophiles can you please quote me on that?



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Turnip said:
SuperRed said:

Characters, yes, which aren't real people.

But they are still people!

SuperRed said:

Also, the crossed out lines was because I don't actually think Australians are dumb and was meant to be ironic intentionally generalizing as you generalize lolicons are pedophiles.

I never once generalized that lolicons were pedophiles can you please quote me on that?


Yeah no, a fetish for something hand-drawn doesn't inherently correspond to being attracted to the closest real life equivalent. It's not my problem if you refuse to believe that there are people who are like this, some of who are in this very thread.

"I'd be worried if you call yourself a lolicon would definitely keep you well away from my kids." <-here you are implying that children aren't safe around lolicons.
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SuperRed said:

Yeah no, a fetish for something hand-drawn doesn't inherently correspond to being attracted to the closest real life equivalent. It's not my problem if you refuse to believe that there are people who are like this, some of who are in this very thread.

"I'd be worried if you call yourself a lolicon would definitely keep you well away from my kids." <-here you are implying that children aren't safe around lolicons.
A drawing or a photograph, I don't see much difference. If you're sexually attracted to pictures of prepubescent kids whether or not they are photographed or drawn. I'd still consider that pedophila because you're still sexually attracted to children. A drawn child and a real child are both children. So in my eyes, the pornography should be treated the same.

But anyway, that quote you quoted me on does not state that lolicons are pedophiles. Implying is not stating dude I thought you knew that.
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The post is deleted now, but seeing as it was a Tumblr post I feel like it was probably stupid anyways.



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Turnip said:

traed said:

Oh wow I reiterate that's fucking retarded and discriminatory as well as so arbitrary the law could easily be abused. I thought those laws didn't pass. That's just for porn right? Or does it go all the way to nudes and sex?
I think it's only for the porn industry. I'm glad they did though, a lot of the A cup porn industry is or tries to be borderline jailbait, I think in Sweden you can actually be charged since they look like a minor as well. I also know Sweden has strict child pornography laws that don't allow drawn pictures to depict prepubescent kids in a sexualised manner.

Lets hope they ban black people from porn too. They clearly promote criminality.
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traed said:

Lets hope they ban black people from porn too. They clearly promote criminality.


I'm just stating facts and laws here. No need to be racist because I don't agree it's right to masturbate to children whether they're drawn or not.
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lol i replied to the tweet telling them they sound stupid and they called me a "pedophile" for saying that the words aren't always harmful depending on context.
do these people even logic?
oh wait deluded Tumblr whores who put their preshus "pronounzzzz" in their bio i forgot i'm dealing with people who've been smacked with an idiot stick here

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The post is deleted now, but seeing as it was a Tumblr post I feel like it was probably stupid anyways.

yes it was and trying to counter them will get u nowhere honestly bc it's twitter, where there's one word policing sjw there's five more to try and reinforce them
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So, basically, what you're saying is that you're a pedophile.

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Words aren't harmful, no. That's just ridiculous.
It's the fetish those characters appeal to which is harmful.
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Isn't this a different way of saying people who play FPS are more likely to shoot up a school?





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Turnip said:
traed said:

Lets hope they ban black people from porn too. They clearly promote criminality.
Can you stay on topic please? I don't think racial slurs is going to help your case.

I'm just stating facts and laws here. No need to be racist because I don't agree it's right to masturbate to children whether they're drawn or not.

It's a type of argument method. Basically I am pointiig out your view iss based on bigotry against certain people. I dont have much of a cause but to point out how poor your arguments have been thus far.

Drawings arent children they are drawings. Also what do you care? I find scat discusting but I findn no need to outlaw it.
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Jul 2, 2017 10:04 PM

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traed said:
I dont have much of a cause but to point out how poor your arguments have been thus far.
Please do.

traed said:

Drawings arent children they are drawings.
That's gotta be the dumbest stuff I've heard today. When what's the drawing a picture of? a drawing?
TyrelJul 2, 2017 11:27 PM



Jul 2, 2017 10:11 PM

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traed said:
Drawings arent children they are drawings.
Right, they are drawings of children.

traed said:

It's a type of argument method. Basically I am pointiig out your view iss based on bigotry against certain people.
I'm pretty sure having strong opinions against pedophiles is not as bad as disliking black people, though.

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