| Our planet is doomed. RIP planet Earth |
| Bernie should have won |
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| Obama circumventing congress now bites those who support the Paris Climate Accord in their behind. If it had gone through congress to agree, then exiting would have to go through congress as well, AFAIK. |
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| Being someone that lives in the Coastal Area of United States that is at risk of being flooded due to rising sea levels from Climate Change, this is a punch and a spit to our faces. As a note about the two countries we will be joining that are not in the agreement, Syria did not sign the agreement due to the fact they are in a Civil War for a few years now, and Nicaragua did not sign the agreement because they felt that the regulations were not hard enough on Climate Change. His argument that the agreement is harming the US is bullshit. He should be concerned at the fact that millions of people within the coastal areas of the United States will be displaced from rising sea levels. Fuck Trump and Fuck the GOP with their denials of Climate Change. Today, this was him throwing away the leadership role that the United States had with the world. |
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| That's a very good news... Earth will die someday so might as well let it die tomorrow or next year... :/ |
OBruxo said: Being someone that lives in the Coastal Area of United States that is at risk of being flooded due to rising sea levels from Climate Change, this is a punch and a spit to our faces. As a note about the two countries we will be joining that are not in the agreement, Syria did not sign the agreement due to the fact they are in a Civil War for a few years now, and Nicaragua did not sign the agreement because they felt that the regulations were not hard enough on Climate Change. His argument that the agreement is harming the US is bullshit. He should be concerned at the fact that millions of people within the coastal areas of the United States will be displaced from rising sea levels. Fuck Trump and Fuck the GOP with their denials of Climate Change. Today, this was him throwing away the leadership role that the United States had with the world. You must have uncomparable qualifications to understand all aspects of science, economy AND international law, this agreement entails. |
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| climate deniers climate scientists can't be trusted and are jews i know more than they do they have phd? probably liberal brainwashing college xD i'll be dead before climate change will have any lasting impact on me o well |
| Let's hope the planet can survive for 4 more years, and then hopefully the next president has more common sense to return to signing the climate agreement. |
Grey-Zone said: OBruxo said: Being someone that lives in the Coastal Area of United States that is at risk of being flooded due to rising sea levels from Climate Change, this is a punch and a spit to our faces. As a note about the two countries we will be joining that are not in the agreement, Syria did not sign the agreement due to the fact they are in a Civil War for a few years now, and Nicaragua did not sign the agreement because they felt that the regulations were not hard enough on Climate Change. His argument that the agreement is harming the US is bullshit. He should be concerned at the fact that millions of people within the coastal areas of the United States will be displaced from rising sea levels. Fuck Trump and Fuck the GOP with their denials of Climate Change. Today, this was him throwing away the leadership role that the United States had with the world. You must have uncomparable qualifications to understand all aspects of science, economy AND international law, this agreement entails. As indeed must you, all knowing Grey-Zone! |
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| This is not good. Like, at all. I mean it's mostly symbolic anyway (as renewables get cheaper, green energy will take over whether the US is part of the agreement or not) but such a clear unambiguous and damn near universal support in the fight against climate change was very important. Deniers are the worst. |
| Finally someone with the balls and brains to stick it to those climate/globalist cucks. This shows real leadership --any 2-bit career politician can sign bullshit accords just because it's the politically correct thing to do. Now for some popcorn to read more leftist/enviroweany wailing and handwringing... |
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| Guess the rest of the world just has to do more for the climate, since under that fucker's reign the US will obviously not give a damn. |
| Spending hundreds of billions of dollars to maybe reduce global temperatures by 0.3 degrees sounds like a wonderful idea. Trump did the right thing. More countries should follow. |
| Signature is too edgy for me. |
| I've gotten to the point that, when faced with a choice, I wholeheartedly expect the U.S president to make the wrong decision. I'm more concerned with the fact that this has allowed the climate change deniers to resurface in their numbers. Yikes. I'm wondering and hoping Donny has his own plans in place to help the environment and promote sustainable growth in 'murica, since he's willing to be at odds with literally every other developed nation in the world over this. |
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| What climate change? I thought this was about the agreement? It seems quite a few people like to hallucinate about me saying something I never said in this thread. I was only saying that it's outright idiotic to be able to claim to "understand" the agreement, unless you are well-versed in all three: science, business and international law. If you lack any of them you will certainly miss something. And even if you ONLY limit it to climate science OR business, then you still need to understand either international law + climate science OR international law + business to understand what the contract causes exactly and whether or not it is feasible. But still, to truly understand it you need all 3. The problem is the number of people who have all these qualifications is very small. We don't even know if the authors themselves are able to understand this. I challenge the people here to name me any people who they think are qualified to understand the agreement. I am actually curious if any such people even exist. And out of curiousity: Are there any links to climate scientists that actually go and make any credible prognoisis on what maintaining the paris climate accord goals would do in terms of climate change and "stopping it"? I have rarely seen anything about it. Most stuff I encounter is only about proving that mankind is responsible, not about how the current measures will "prevent it". This side of the issue seems to be generally strongly overlooked on ALL sides. |
Grey-ZoneJun 1, 2017 3:15 PM
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| how did he withdraw? because last i checked the Climate agreement was legally binding short of nuking Paris there is no opt out this should be interesting. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus  |
hazerddex said: how did he withdraw? because last i checked the Climate agreement was legally binding short of nuking Paris there is no opt out this should be interesting. AFAIK it's because it's defined as an "agreement" instead of a "treaty", which enabled Obama to get around congress to sign it, i.e. it was only agreed upon by the executive side, but not the legislative. Now it seems to enable Trump to quit it just as easily. |
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j0x said: Kmolson said: Spending hundreds of billions of dollars to maybe reduce global temperatures by 0.3 degrees sounds like a wonderful idea. Trump did the right thing. More countries should follow. cost of preventing climate change vs the cost of climate change impact we have alternative sources of energy already that is getting as cheap as fossil fuels as coal so it will not cost a lot of money to simply reduce/remove fossil fuel use meanwhile the impact of climate change are more powerful natural disasters like storms, heavy rain, sea level rising, droughts that can cause food shortages, worldwide migrant crisis, diseases/epidemic from pollution of burning more fossil fuels, social conflicts/wars, etc and when you total the cost of them all it will be much higher So long as fossil fuels appear to be the cheapest fuels out there, they will continue to be burned. Barring their use in first world countries will just mean they will be extracted from third world countries, which will actually damage the environment more (environmental impact of transportation, little environmental regulation in third world countries). I get where weather/sea levels comes into the equation, though the control humans have on the climate is debatable in itself, but it's highly speculative at best to brings wars into the climate debate. |
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Grey-Zone said: hazerddex said: how did he withdraw? because last i checked the Climate agreement was legally binding short of nuking Paris there is no opt out this should be interesting. AFAIK it's because it's defined as an "agreement" instead of a "treaty", which enabled Obama to get around congress to sign it. Now it seems to enable Trump to quit it just as easily. that's ok i did not care much for texes anyway and on the bight side no more golfing for trump  |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Kmolson said: Spending hundreds of billions of dollars to maybe reduce global temperatures by 0.3 degrees sounds like a wonderful idea. Trump did the right thing. More countries should follow. Yeah, all that money is surely going to matter if the Earth becomes uninhabitable. |
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Narmy said: Kmolson said: Spending hundreds of billions of dollars to maybe reduce global temperatures by 0.3 degrees sounds like a wonderful idea. Trump did the right thing. More countries should follow. Yeah, all that money is surely going to matter if the Earth becomes uninhabitable. what we really need to do is get off this planet already. between super volcanos, asteroids, climante change, magnetic polls flipping, sun expantion, and gammaray burst, you would think people would put a little more effort into space and the colonization of space. |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
Narmy said: Kmolson said: Spending hundreds of billions of dollars to maybe reduce global temperatures by 0.3 degrees sounds like a wonderful idea. Trump did the right thing. More countries should follow. Yeah, all that money is surely going to matter if the Earth becomes uninhabitable. I hope you're joking. The Earth is not going to become uninhabitable because Trump pulled out of the Paris agreement. |
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ilovegintama said: Agreed. These climate change cucks actually think we have some kind of control over how the Earth changes. Ummm..yeah we do Carbon Dioxide or as we call it CO2 is capable of trapping heat. And that is the reason why Venus is more hotter than Mercury even though Mercury is more closer to sun. The reason Venus is way hotter than Mercury is because it has high levels of CO2 I know this image is quite old but look at CO2 emissions in USA  Now one might argue that these level of CO2 do not affect the climate much, but look at this  Source Do you see how the temperature has been steadily increasing over the years? ilovegintama said: Like climate change has never happened before humans started driving automobiles. Morons. It has, but it were mostly due to natural causes and the changes were mostly transient but this change is permanent Global warming is destroying our planet and Trump is turning a blind eye to it. |
swirlydragonJun 1, 2017 3:29 PM
hazerddex said: what we really need to do is get off this planet already. between super volcanos, asteroids, climante change, magnetic polls flipping, sun expantion, and gammaray burst, you would think people would put a little more effort into space and the colonization of space. I read something about NASA supposedly being able to develop technology to terraform Mars in as few as 30 years! When I read that and wondered why that technology cannot be also used on Earth, the only answer I got was along the lines of "it is a different kind of warm climate on Mars then we are getting now on Earth". Whether that's true or not, I don't know. |
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Grey-Zone said: hazerddex said: what we really need to do is get off this planet already. between super volcanos, asteroids, climante change, magnetic polls flipping, sun expantion, and gammaray burst, you would think people would put a little more effort into space and the colonization of space. I read something about NASA supposedly being able to develop technology to terraform Mars in as few as 30 years! When I read that and wondered why that technology cannot be also used on Earth, the only answer I got was along the lines of "it is a different kind of warm cliamate on Mars then we are getting now on Earth". Whether that's true or not, I don't know. to bad our dear potus axed there budget ok lets see coal and oil push out what into the air when burned? CO2 that gets trapped by our planet so ya it kinda is our fault. Also no it does not mean humans caused the ice age that would be silly however we are responsible for the higher CO2 levels |
GrimAtramentJun 1, 2017 3:34 PM
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazerddex said: Grey-Zone said: I read something about NASA supposedly being able to develop technology to terraform Mars in as few as 30 years! When I read that and wondered why that technology cannot be also used on Earth, the only answer I got was along the lines of "it is a different kind of warm cliamate on Mars then we are getting now on Earth". Whether that's true or not, I don't know. to bad our dear potus axed there budget That's not what I heard. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324988-trump-signs-nasa-funding-bill-sets-goal-of-human-on-mars |
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hazerddex said: what we really need to do is get off this planet already. It will be too late for that. First of all, we do not possess the technology and even if we did, only rich and powerful people could afford to go to Mars. Anyway, living on Mars (or any other Earth like planet) will probably take more than 100 years or even more than that depending on the future circumstances. You are being too optimistic if you think otherwise According to me, we should save our planet Earth or we will have no place to live |
swirlydragonJun 1, 2017 3:40 PM
Grey-Zone said: That's not what I heard. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324988-trump-signs-nasa-funding-bill-sets-goal-of-human-on-mars that article you have is from 3 months ago http://spacenews.com/2018-budget-proposal-to-spread-cuts-across-nasa-programs/ on top of that cutting nasa education is going to make it harder to find people to lead space missions or research https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/05/25/trumps-nasa-budget-eliminates-education-office-plunging-america-into-the-dark/#1d4e3f277eb8 |
| "among monsters and humans, there are only two types. Those who undergo suffering and spread it to others. And those who undergo suffering and avoid giving it to others." -Alice “Beauty is no quality in things themselves: It exists merely in the mind which contemplates them; and each mind perceives a different beauty.” David Hume “Evil is created when someone gives up on someone else. It appears when everyone gives up on someone as a lost cause and removes their path to salvation. Once they are cut off from everyone else, they become evil.” -Othinus |
hazerddex said: Grey-Zone said: That's not what I heard. http://thehill.com/homenews/administration/324988-trump-signs-nasa-funding-bill-sets-goal-of-human-on-mars that article you have is from 3 months ago http://spacenews.com/2018-budget-proposal-to-spread-cuts-across-nasa-programs/ on top of that cutting nasa education is going to make it harder to find people to lead space missions or research https://www.forbes.com/sites/startswithabang/2017/05/25/trumps-nasa-budget-eliminates-education-office-plunging-america-into-the-dark/#1d4e3f277eb8 I see, that's too bad. Now I wish that the rest of the world would be more active on space and mars. The US tends to become more active in space whenever there is a competition to be had. It almost makes one miss the soviet union. ALMOST. |
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j0x said: Kmolson said: So long as fossil fuels appear to be the cheapest fuels out there, they will continue to be burned. Barring their use in first world countries will just mean they will be extracted from third world countries, which will actually damage the environment more (environmental impact of transportation, little environmental regulation in third world countries). I get where weather/sea levels comes into the equation, [b]though the control humans have on the climate is debatable in itself, but it's highly speculative at best to brings wars into the climate debate.[b] watch this https://youtu.be/-gHUHoqBn-Y and climate science consensus say that this recent climate change/global warming is man made from burning fossil fuels that increase greenhouse gases like CO2 and its not impossible, there was a scientific study that says the Arab Spring was partly cause by global warming/climate change since there was a food shortage and prices did spike that give rise to social conflicts there so its not far fetch to think that wars can happen due to worsening food shortages or resource scarcity due to climate change Again, I'm not convinced global warming is something that should be or can be stopped. Even if it can be reversed, the cost of human development isn't worth it. The Earth is not going to become inhabitable anytime soon, and when it does (I'm talking millions of years), it will be completely out of humanities control, assuming humans as we know it are even around by then. |
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j0x said: Kmolson said: Again, I'm not convinced global warming is something that should be or can be stopped. Even if it can be reversed, the cost of human development isn't worth it. The Earth is not going to become inhabitable anytime soon, and when it does (I'm talking millions of years), it will be completely out of humanities control, assuming humans as we know it are even around by then. the point of this Paris Climate agreement is to stop climate change by reducing fossil fuel use this is not a matter of how you feel about Climate Change since experts and leaders around the world already determine that Climate Change is man made and it can be stopped on getting worse once fossil fuel usage is reduce or stop Are there actually any studies on that? In all the "alarmist/proponent vs denier/skeptic" debates, the part where the possible measures against climate change are evaluated seem to be buried underneath. And I don't just mean the paris agreement, but any other methods that have been proposed, like, for example, mass production of that device that has been recently created which can turn CO2 into plastic. |
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j0x said: Grey-Zone said: Are there actually any studies on that? In all the "alarmist/proponent vs denier/skeptic" debates, the part where the possible measures against climate change are evaluated seem to be buried underneath. the hundreds to thousands of science research/news about climate change are not enough studies? and there is the climate scientists overwhelming consensus that climate change is real and man made too https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ Not what I asked. Read again, please. I am asking about "measures" to "battle" climate change. And where to find them. Almost everywhere I look it's only about "climate change is real", but not about what we can do about it - including things other than "lowering CO2 emission". It's idiotic to place all of humanities hope on a single climate agreement if it's really such a danger to humanity. I mean everyone who disagree in any way is being demonized as an "enemy of humanity", but then we are led to believe that "following this single agreement will completely solve our problem, relax and sit back how the politicians save the earth by signing an agreement!"? |
Grey-ZoneJun 1, 2017 4:09 PM
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| Just 6 months into his presidency and already he's causing mass havoc. Awesome. |
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j0x said: Kmolson said: Again, I'm not convinced global warming is something that should be or can be stopped. Even if it can be reversed, the cost of human development isn't worth it. The Earth is not going to become inhabitable anytime soon, and when it does (I'm talking millions of years), it will be completely out of humanities control, assuming humans as we know it are even around by then. the point of this Paris Climate agreement is to stop climate change by reducing fossil fuel use this is not a matter of how you feel about Climate Change since experts and leaders around the world already determine that Climate Change is man made and it can be stopped on getting worse once fossil fuel usage is reduce or stop Is it even entirely just about reducing fuel use? We're yet to see an international effort towards developing solutions such as alternative energy. Any efforts in this regard to my knowledge are on national levels (such as Germany's offshore wind turbine projects) or individual companies. This seems like a more permanent solution to a big problem. Also what about Bio and Environmental engineering? International efforts towards replanting and revitalizing habitats that produce oxygen? These don't get any attention and it makes zero sense why. Everybody is obsessed with output. That's a good start, but its not even close to the main issue. |
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j0x said: Grey-Zone said: Not what I asked. Read again, please. I am asking about "measures" to "battle" climate change. And where to find them. Almost everywhere I look it's only about "climate change is real", but not about what we can do about it - including things other than "lowering CO2 emission". It's idiotic to place all of humanities hope on a single climate agreement if it's really such a danger to humanity. i do not know but there are science articles like this that is authored by experts https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-to-solve-global-warming-its-the-energy-supply/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/10-solutions-for-climate-change/ Eh, seems like the generic "lower the CO2 emissions by emitting less", which often has economic drawbacks. The reason for that, I presume, is the lack of economic education of many climate scientists. I was hoping for more innovation, like this: https://phys.org/news/2016-03-scientists-renewable-plastic-carbon-dioxide.html Or perhaps something like "plant more CO2-intensive plants". For people who supposedly were able to model with a supposed accuracy that no economist, gambler or politicial scientist has EVER even remotely been able to reach, they sure lack motivation on that front. |
Grey-ZoneJun 1, 2017 4:25 PM
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Grey-Zone said: j0x said: the hundreds to thousands of science research/news about climate change are not enough studies? and there is the climate scientists overwhelming consensus that climate change is real and man made too https://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus/ Not what I asked. Read again, please. I am asking about "measures" to "battle" climate change. And where to find them. Almost everywhere I look it's only about "climate change is real", but not about what we can do about it - including things other than "lowering CO2 emission". It's idiotic to place all of humanities hope on a single climate agreement if it's really such a danger to humanity. I mean everyone who disagree in any way is being demonized as an "enemy of humanity", but then we are led to believe that "following this single agreement will completely solve our problem, relax and sit back how the politicians save the earth by signing an agreement!"? There really isn't anyway to solve the problem, at this point it's purely damage control. The best case scenario is the planet only increases its temperature by 2 degrees Celsius which still results in a lot of the issues jox mentioned prior and that are just generally well known. Nobody also claims the Paris agreement is the end all to the problem just that it's the first step that shows international efforts would be possible. The agreement itself is both non-binding and doesn't actually go far enough to result in the best case scenario of only 2 degrees. But the US completely opting out of it isn't particularly helping to push for international efforts. |
j0x said: Grey-Zone said: Eh, seems like the generic "lower the CO2 emissions by emitting less", which often has economic drawbacks. The reason for that, I presume, is the lack of economic education of many climate scientists. I was hoping for more innovation, like this: https://phys.org/news/2016-03-scientists-renewable-plastic-carbon-dioxide.html im sure you can find science articles about what you are looking for since there are abundant research and studies about climate change anyway and one of the authors on that articles is a economist Ottmar Edenhofer, economist at the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research in Germany and co-chair of Working Group III of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) It's good that they do have an economist on-board. I have read about occurances where climate scientists alone were given authority on economic policies in certain places for the purpose of preventing climate change... let's just say the result was much less than ideal... |
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