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May 13, 2017 5:19 AM
#1
blasphemy means insulting religious beings/things like god/saints/holy books/etc should this be a crime? i heard in the muslim world some countries even make blasphemy punishable by death and i find that extreme so how about you? |
May 13, 2017 5:20 AM
#2
Well why do you even have to insult a fictional thing? lmao |
May 13, 2017 5:22 AM
#3
swirlydragon said: Well why do you even have to insult a fictional thing? lmao why not? anime fans insults anime characters all the time |
May 13, 2017 5:26 AM
#4
j0x said: swirlydragon said: Well why do you even have to insult a fictional thing? lmao why not? anime fans insults anime characters all the time lol It's childish to insult something fictional. I mean you can insult them in your home, but if you go outside and shout all these things in front of public then people will obviously get pissed about it. |
swirlydragonMay 13, 2017 5:30 AM
May 13, 2017 5:30 AM
#5
swirlydragon said: j0x said: swirlydragon said: Well why do you even have to insult a fictional thing? lmao why not? anime fans insults anime characters all the time lol It's childish to insult something fictional. I mean you can insult them in your home, but if you go outside and shout all these things in front of public then they'll obviously get pissed about it. they get pissed because they treat fictional characters as real, we humans tend to personify things but at the end of the day our sacred waifus for example are not real after all |
May 13, 2017 5:31 AM
#6
j0x said: swirlydragon said: j0x said: swirlydragon said: Well why do you even have to insult a fictional thing? lmao why not? anime fans insults anime characters all the time lol It's childish to insult something fictional. I mean you can insult them in your home, but if you go outside and shout all these things in front of public then they'll obviously get pissed about it. they get pissed because they treat fictional characters as real, we humans tend to personify things but at the end of the day our sacred waifus for example are not real after all Nahh, dude Waifus are real. I will ask the moderators of MAL to charge you with blasphemy >.< Edit:- I reported your blasphemous comment :p |
May 13, 2017 5:34 AM
#7
Lol why is that even a question? This is a borderline shitpost. |
when ur about to have a refreshing sip of earl grey tea and someone says "traps are gay" |
May 13, 2017 5:35 AM
#8
May 13, 2017 5:45 AM
#9
Of course blasphemy should be a crime. But we should not go as far as making it punishable with death, like those muslims. Here even Holocaust denial is considered a crime, hate speech against any group (except the majority of course) is a crime. So why not blasphemy then? When you diss something someone considers sacred, it should be punishable. |
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May 13, 2017 8:16 AM
#10
As a "religious" individual: Heck, no! To criminalize the expression of opposing viewpoints - regardless of how "offensive" some may find them - is to impede the search for truth. Edit: Looking back, I worded that rather oddly, but I hope I got my point across. |
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May 13, 2017 8:29 AM
#11
Include its synonym and antonym too, so everyone shouldn't use "blasphemy" in a different way... xD Welcome to 2017; the curse time of humanity, the most impiety of all... Also... I embrace Freedom of Speech |
May 13, 2017 8:33 AM
#12
ayy man FUCK your made up ass God and stupid fuckin oppressive bible im awaiting the cops any second now. police choppers in the distance yeah i dont want that, if you get punished for an opinion you arent free fuck yeah americaaaa you beautiful yet flawed bastard |
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May 13, 2017 8:57 AM
#13
kodial said: Of course blasphemy should be a crime. But we should not go as far as making it punishable with death, like those muslims. Here even Holocaust denial is considered a crime, hate speech against any group (except the majority of course) is a crime. So why not blasphemy then? When you diss something someone considers sacred, it should be punishable. Hate speech against a group's belief /=/ hate speech against a group the banning of holocaust denial was apparently just a way to weed out nazis Post-WW2, because the beliefs were still prominent. No self respecting person denies the holocaust so no one really cares these days. |
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May 13, 2017 9:00 AM
#14
Nope, it should be encoraged ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) jk just nah |
Today they say you're crazy, tomorrow they will say you're a genious. |
May 13, 2017 9:27 AM
#15
ashfrliebert said: the banning of holocaust denial was apparently just a way to weed out nazis Post-WW2, because the beliefs were still prominent. No self respecting person denies the holocaust so no one really cares these days. Neither is true, people are still be prosecuted for it. Should blasphemy be a crime? Of course not. But if we are going to start making speech illegal then there is no real rationale while blasphemy shouldn't be illegal. It's why allowing free speech, no matter what one thinks of it, should never be restricted. But alas far too many people have no issues banning things they don't like. |
May 13, 2017 9:39 AM
#16
Sure why not. We should also revive inquisition to deal with such cases. |
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May 13, 2017 9:51 AM
#17
Takuan_Soho said: ashfrliebert said: the banning of holocaust denial was apparently just a way to weed out nazis Post-WW2, because the beliefs were still prominent. No self respecting person denies the holocaust so no one really cares these days. Neither is true, people are still be prosecuted for it. Self-respecting people tho? I think not! |
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May 13, 2017 9:59 AM
#19
Nah. I'm a pretty devout Christian, and my faith has been ridiculed and criticized so often that I've become pretty desensitized to it, and I think most Christians have. Religion shouldn't be excempt from scrutinity, and there are certain religions that defintiely shouldn't be... |
May 13, 2017 10:02 AM
#20
yes, organized religion should be considered a crime. |
May 13, 2017 10:30 AM
#21
Nah, and basically what I wanted to say was said by moog already. |
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May 13, 2017 10:33 AM
#22
I personally don't like Blasphemy because I become sad when these humans insult me :( |
May 13, 2017 11:24 AM
#23
Not unless you want to live a theocratic hell hole where people aren't allowed to have opinions outside of whatever religion holds sway because that's exactly what will happen. |
May 13, 2017 12:23 PM
#24
Slandering my waifu should be considered a crime |
What's the difference? |
May 13, 2017 12:26 PM
#25
That's the authoritarian approach, but the libertarian approach would be to let people find a genuine belief in God themselves and to give them the freedom to try to honour it. |
May 13, 2017 1:03 PM
#26
I am against outlawing edgy neckbeard bullshit |
~To crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their waifus~ |
May 13, 2017 1:05 PM
#27
Fuck no. Nothing should be above criticism and no one's sensibilities should be forced on others. |
Take care of yourself |
May 13, 2017 3:48 PM
#28
It depends on the Scale. If something is obviously meant as a Parody, then there's nothing wrong with Caricatures, imho. The Problem is though, when People abuse their Freedom of Speech and/or Expressions to deliberately attack People with a certain Belief or Mindset. For the latter Case, I'm for having at least some Restrictions in Order to prevent ethnic and/or religious Tensions. |
May 13, 2017 3:51 PM
#29
Noboru said: It depends on the Scale. If something is obviously meant as a Parody, then there's nothing wrong with Caricatures, imho. The Problem is though, when People abuse their Freedom of Speech and/or Expressions to deliberately attack People with a certain Belief or Mindset. For the latter Case, I'm for having at least some Restrictions in Order to prevent ethnic and/or religious Tensions. whats the highest punishment you think blasphemy deserves? |
May 13, 2017 3:58 PM
#30
j0x said: Depends on the Scale of it. Something that will incite whole Masses against others should be more severely punished than something targeted that only affects a few Persons. So anything from a Fine based on how much Income you get per Day to several Years Imprisonment. whats the highest punishment you think blasphemy deserves? |
May 13, 2017 4:00 PM
#31
Noboru said: j0x said: Depends on the Scale of it. Something that will incite whole Masses against others should be more severely punished than something targeted that only affects a few Persons. So anything from a Fine based on how much Income you get per Day to several Years Imprisonment. whats the highest punishment you think blasphemy deserves? well at least you did not mention death penalty for blasphemy |
May 13, 2017 4:02 PM
#32
j0x said: Why would I? I'm fully against Death Penalty. Noboru said: j0x said: whats the highest punishment you think blasphemy deserves? well at least you did not mention death penalty for blasphemy |
May 13, 2017 4:04 PM
#33
Blasphemy is a part of free speech, so obviously not. |
May 13, 2017 4:04 PM
#34
Noboru said: j0x said: Why would I? I'm fully against Death Penalty. Noboru said: j0x said: Depends on the Scale of it. Something that will incite whole Masses against others should be more severely punished than something targeted that only affects a few Persons. So anything from a Fine based on how much Income you get per Day to several Years Imprisonment. whats the highest punishment you think blasphemy deserves? well at least you did not mention death penalty for blasphemy its just in some parts of the muslim world blasphemy have death penalty and good to know you are against death penalty |
May 13, 2017 4:13 PM
#35
j0x said: Maybe that's their Maximum Sentence, but I don't believe that every Act of Blasphemy is punished like that.Noboru said: j0x said: Noboru said: j0x said: Depends on the Scale of it. Something that will incite whole Masses against others should be more severely punished than something targeted that only affects a few Persons. So anything from a Fine based on how much Income you get per Day to several Years Imprisonment. whats the highest punishment you think blasphemy deserves? well at least you did not mention death penalty for blasphemy its just in some parts of the muslim world blasphemy have death penalty and good to know you are against death penalty Over here in Germany, a Man was fined with €500 for using an Anti-Christian Sticker on his Car. Good that I live in a highly civilized Country that has outlawed such barbaric Practices. |
May 13, 2017 4:27 PM
#36
Here's another reason why blasphemy shouldn't be considered a crime. Religious beliefs and what any particular religion defines as blasphemy could be literally anything depending on how far you're willing to bend the original belief system. Not only that, but if someone was to establish their own religion with their own beliefs, they would technically have the power to control what people say do to such an insane theocratic law. |
May 13, 2017 4:41 PM
#37
The Future Must Not Belong To Those Who Slander The Prophet Of Islam |
May 13, 2017 4:42 PM
#38
Of course not. Not only is it oppressive it also is incredibly ambiguous as to what counts as blasphemy. To top it off to make a law of blasphemy is to act as if man knows what god's wishes are so this act in itself could be blasphemy to try to speak for and act on the behalf of god. |
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May 13, 2017 5:36 PM
#39
ashfrliebert said: Takuan_Soho said: ashfrliebert said: the banning of holocaust denial was apparently just a way to weed out nazis Post-WW2, because the beliefs were still prominent. No self respecting person denies the holocaust so no one really cares these days. Neither is true, people are still be prosecuted for it. Self-respecting people tho? I think not! is altairius a self-respecting person |
Rinth said: Every opinion is not equal. Some opinions are simply made out of shit. nasuverse > your favorite anime |
May 13, 2017 5:53 PM
#40
j0x said: blasphemy means insulting religious beings/things like god/saints/holy books/etc Your definition of blasphemy sucks but that's really the point: people like us scrawling graffiti and writing nonsense aren't a problem. This ball is in the court of great kings, artists and intellects, who a healthy society will lynch if they blaspheme. If that mechanism is blocked or subverted that society is condemned to tyranny (e.g. blasphemy laws) or collapse sooner or later. The most snappy example of this is Akhenaten followed by Tutankhamun. |
May 13, 2017 5:56 PM
#41
No, because your God does not even exist, we can make fun of him as much as we want. ^^ |
May 13, 2017 6:07 PM
#42
ashfrliebert said: Self-respecting people tho? I think not! Doesn't matter if they are self respecting or not, people should have the right to deny the holocaust all they want. Once one accepts that certain things are "off limits", then Blasphemy is no different. Canada is going to find this out the hard way. |
May 13, 2017 6:18 PM
#43
Is that guy who think Jews control the vast media and push for immigration and stuff? I don't know man, I feel like we need a different name than "Nazi". Being a nutcase who thinks jews control the media and the world, compared to literally wanting them dead...it just feels wrong to compare the scale of these things. Not that any of them are right. Noboru said: j0x said: Depends on the Scale of it. Something that will incite whole Masses against others should be more severely punished than something targeted that only affects a few Persons. So anything from a Fine based on how much Income you get per Day to several Years Imprisonment. whats the highest punishment you think blasphemy deserves? I agree if we're talking like inciting violence. It's just, I don't know, I'm all for free speech, but does anyone expect us to care for nazis enough to respect their rights to free speech? Of course not, we only defend free speech because it could affect us normal, non-jewhating people. Takuan_Soho said: Doesn't matter if they are self respecting or not, people should have the right to deny the holocaust all they want. Once one accepts that certain things are "off limits", then Blasphemy is no different. Canada is going to find this out the hard way. I didn't say measures against holocaust denial SHOULD be enforced, I said it doesn't really make much of a difference because no one cares. It's just the principal of things. Nobody's going to cry tears for the holocaust deniers. Stuff like book-banning is no go though. Just be more ehh..efficient and responsible at teaching people the unadulterated truth about, you know..the Holocaust. If Candada adds major, significant laws against blasphemy within the next 5 years from this post, I'll drink cyanide on live television. |
ashfrliebertMay 13, 2017 6:33 PM
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May 13, 2017 6:33 PM
#44
Even if it was a crime, it would never be one in the US. There's the separation between religion and state, speech protections and all that jazz. So yeah, religion shouldn't be exempt from criticism. ashfrliebert said: "If we don't believe in freedom of expression for people we despise, we don't believe in it at all."does anyone expect us to care for nazis enough to respect their rights to free speech? Of course not, we only defend free speech because it could affect us normal, non-jewhating people. -Noam Chomsky |
May 13, 2017 6:39 PM
#45
ashfrliebert said: I agree if we're talking like inciting violence. It's just, I don't know, I'm all for free speech, but does anyone expect us to care for nazis enough to respect their rights to free speech? Of course not, we only defend free speech because it could affect us normal, non-jewhating people. So you wouldn't care if hate speech laws were put in place for people society deems abhorrent? Then no, you're not for free speech. |
May 13, 2017 6:48 PM
#46
ashfrliebert said: I said it doesn't really make much of a difference because no one cares. It's just the principal of things. Nobody's going to cry tears for the holocaust deniers. And that is exactly why, if you believe in free speech, you should care. Corruption of Civil Liberties don't start with attacking the mainstream - they start with attacking the noxious or claiming to do it to "protect the children". ashfrliebert said: Stuff like book-banning is no go though. Just be more ehh..efficient and responsible at teaching people the unadulterated truth about, you know..the Holocaust. You don't need book burning if you can force Amazon to delete one's ability to buy such books. ashfrliebert said: If Candada adds major, significant laws against blasphemy within the next 5 years from this post, I'll drink cyanide on live television. Then it was nice to know you. Canada already has laws against "hateful speech", and has been fining and intimidating people for nearly 20 years now. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/WPcap/1999-12/12/088r-121299-idx.html You do realize that blasphemy is not strictly religious? It also means: "irreverence toward something considered sacred or inviolable." That is exactly what PC is about. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/blasphemy |
May 13, 2017 6:57 PM
#47
Exhalant said: Even if it was a crime, it would never be one in the US. There's the separation between religion and state, speech protections and all that jazz. And this is why the election of Trump was so important. 4 judges on the USSC are on record saying that International Law should be considered when determining US Law. On matters of Free Speech (and to be frank most things), international law is FAR more restrictive than US law. Promoting Gorsuch, as opposed to a globalist, has, for now, saved the First Amendment. That alone makes Trump's Presidency a success. |
May 13, 2017 7:47 PM
#48
BEHEAD THOSE WHO INSULT MAI WAIFU HAREM!!! |
Lost_VikingMay 13, 2017 7:50 PM
May 13, 2017 8:12 PM
#49
May 14, 2017 9:10 AM
#50
ashfrliebert said: A Speech is fine and dandy as long as it doesn't incite Masses deliberately. Anything else is Freedom of Expression and Freedom to voice your Opinion. As long as Nazis/Neonazis or whoever don't use Hate Speech or defame anyone, they have all the Rights as anyone else. For Example, I don't see anything bad about them promoting for more native Children and/or voicing Critic about Immigration Policies. I agree if we're talking like inciting violence. It's just, I don't know, I'm all for free speech, but does anyone expect us to care for nazis enough to respect their rights to free speech? Of course not, we only defend free speech because it could affect us normal, non-jewhating people. |
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