| I don't approve of violence and mean characters and I want to get peoples' opinions on why they prefer violence in general movies, tv shows, and video games. Heck, I even like the non-violent innocent stuff like some of Disney's stuff, too, they're still good without the violence. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. "TURN THAT JAPANESE SHIT OFF OR I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING WALL!" |
| Cause the edge, that's why....................... |
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Violence as in characters beating up people until they're dead or passed out or something. Mean characters are like most teenage/child characters like tsunderes, bratty characters, people that think they're grown etc.. Unless they're highly violent like Neon Genesis Evangelion for example. Trigun and Cowboy Bebop are good animes that are violent but I still don't like the aggressive, crazy behaviors shown in them. I don't like cute girls, to me, I think they're cutesy and dislike SOL because there's usually no stories, just characters living a normal life. |
Angry_Anime_NerdApr 4, 2017 10:10 AM
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. "TURN THAT JAPANESE SHIT OFF OR I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING WALL!" |
| Because violent characters are often the most badass |
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| Because we humans are foolish creatures who yearn for violence and conflict. Be it on screen or in real life, almost everyone has violent thoughts from time to time. Maybe that's the reason people like violence and mean characters. (Going off topic but, maybe this is the reason World Peace is an impossible thing) |
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| Because if you take away both those things then you've completely removed Man vs. Man as a source of conflict. You still have Man vs. Nature and Man vs. Self, so it's not like you can't tell a story without those things, but unless you're a very good writer/director it's hard to make those things exciting for an audience. Fight scenes, or arguments with a 'mean' antagonist, are an easy way for an audience to get invested in a scene. If you had to boil it down to one word - excitement. That's mainly what it is. |
| i dont have a problem with violence if the anime is supposed to be dark but im not going to root for that kind of bitches in a romance anime  |
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Maurice_5 said: Because if you take away both those things then you've completely removed Man vs. Man as a source of conflict. You still have Man vs. Nature and Man vs. Self, so it's not like you can't tell a story without those things, but unless you're a very good writer/director it's hard to make those things exciting for an audience. Fight scenes, or arguments with a 'mean' antagonist, are an easy way for an audience to get invested in a scene. If you had to boil it down to one word - excitement. That's mainly what it is. Well, I have been writing stories since I was 6 years old, no violence or mean behaviors and nobody had a problem with them. Can you give me examples of more gentle movies you dislike because of no violence or mean characters? |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. "TURN THAT JAPANESE SHIT OFF OR I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING WALL!" |
because it helps fill the big void I have in my body  |
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| They're just characters, fiction, enactment . More importantly, you should ask about the violence irl . |
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| [quote=pinkarray] MajordomoXecuted said: ... Unless they're highly violent like Neon Genesis Evangelion for example. Trigun and Cowboy Bebop are good animes that are violent but I still don't like the aggressive, crazy behaviors shown in them. I don't like cute girls, to me, I think they're cutesy and dislike SOL because there's usually no stories, just characters living a normal life. Most anime will either have conflict or be focused in SOL, and as conflicit can only come from so many sources (internal, environment, person, society, fate, technology, etc.) and if we add in an imperfect character which is a good thing in literature this conflict will usually lead to violence against the antagonist or violence out of frustration. Something like NGE does this very well in my opinion. But on the other hand most battle shounen and stuff just use fighting for cool factor And if you want to avoid violence you could see something like death parade or liar game (manga) are pretty good on that (off the top of my head), but avoiding it is really an immature prospect as you miss out on good series. |
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pinkarray said: Well, I have been writing stories since I was 6 years old, no violence or mean behaviors and nobody had a problem with them. Can you give me examples of more gentle movies you dislike because of no violence or mean characters? So in these stories, what's the conflict? Genuinely curious. It's not that I actively dislike movies without violence in them. Some perfectly peaceful movies are among my favourites. (History Boys is a great example.) But I am saying that it's harder to write conflict for such a story than for one with a clearly defined villain, and I'm saying that fight scenes are a great way to add excitement to a story. |
tragedydesu said: i dont have a problem with violence if the anime is supposed to be dark but im not going to root for that kind of bitches in a romance anime Well said, friend, well said. Seriously fuck Shitoge. |
| [quote=Extect message=50222806] pinkarray said: MajordomoXecuted said: ... Unless they're highly violent like Neon Genesis Evangelion for example. Trigun and Cowboy Bebop are good animes that are violent but I still don't like the aggressive, crazy behaviors shown in them. I don't like cute girls, to me, I think they're cutesy and dislike SOL because there's usually no stories, just characters living a normal life. Most anime will either have conflict or be focused in SOL, and as conflicit can only come from so many sources (internal, environment, person, society, fate, technology, etc.) and if we add in an imperfect character which is a good thing in literature this conflict will usually lead to violence against the antagonist or violence out of frustration. Something like NGE does this very well in my opinion. But on the other hand most battle shounen and stuff just use fighting for cool factor And if you want to avoid violence you could see something like death parade or liar game (manga) are pretty good on that (off the top of my head), but avoiding it is really an immature prospect as you miss out on good series. How is that immature to avoid a violent movie that is highly regarded? Is it because when we're adults, we can watch something more inappropriate? Well, growing up does not make you like violence.:( I do like more mature stuff and just because you're an adult that likes Disney stuff doesn't make you childish because they're for kids. Disney is family-oriented and so is Pixar or Dreamworks etc.. They are not something aimed at pre-schoolers like Sprout. Maurice_5 said: pinkarray said: Well, I have been writing stories since I was 6 years old, no violence or mean behaviors and nobody had a problem with them. Can you give me examples of more gentle movies you dislike because of no violence or mean characters? So in these stories, what's the conflict? Genuinely curious. It's not that I actively dislike movies without violence in them. Some perfectly peaceful movies are among my favourites. (History Boys is a great example.) But I am saying that it's harder to write conflict for such a story than for one with a clearly defined villain, and I'm saying that fight scenes are a great way to add excitement to a story. The conflict was something like an item getting lost like a grocery shopping list or tissue and there were people trying to find them. I also wrote stories about a little girl who couldn't get a crocodile so she runs away. That's the stories I wrote when I was a kid for example. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. "TURN THAT JAPANESE SHIT OFF OR I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING WALL!" |
| because humans are edgy as fuck by nature |
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| Dude are u serious? Lot of anime try to have all these "friendly" characters where they even apologize 100 times for absolutely insignificant things, yet alone do violent things. Perish the thought! It can be boring as hell, so atleast violence brings literally the opposite of that, just pure evil and i love it. Its really refreshing and mixes things up. Sounds like ur quite troubled there tho. Better stick to Disney movies then. They are quite harmless after all. But tsunderes are crap tho. Thats all im gonna say |
RobiiiiApr 4, 2017 11:07 AM
| Violence and bad guys make for better action and suspense. It adds to the overall feeling and can make it more realistic. For example, you wouldn't have a movie/show/anime/etc. about wartime without violence thrown in somewhere. It comes down to personal preference though, so don't watch the violent ones if you don't like them. |
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| why some people love spicy food? i mean there are tastes that doesent make u feel like u were set on fire. TASTE . Noone can give u right answer on your question because noone knows exactly why he likes violence, its not about logic, its feeling u get from watching it, either u like it or not. there is no explanetion about things connected to feelings because they know no logic, so instead of asking why someone likes violence or mean characters, better ask why someone likes specific show which displays violence, because its either portraited bad or good. |
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Robiiii said: Dude are u serious? Lot of anime try to have all these "friendly" characters where they even apologize 100 times for absolutely insignificant things, yet alone do violent things. Perish the thought! It can be boring as hell, so atleast violence brings literally the opposite of that, just pure evil and i love it. Its really refreshing and mixes things up. Sounds like ur quite troubled there tho. Better stick to Disney movies then. They are quite harmless after all. I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you talking about tsunderes? Because tsundere is becoming a stereotype now, there is a better way to create character development/redemption without using the traditional tsundere type. And I'm not saying movies don't need a villain for the character to fight. If that's what interests you, stick to your own opinion. I don't care about if there's a bad villain or not. But violence needs to stop in my opinion because I don't like seeing gory stuff where characters are injured. 0v33t1 said: Because that stuff is in real life too. The same question can be asked of anything. Why do people like comedy? Why do people like mystery? Why do people like romance? I'm kind of confused as a writer. You say you're an author, but can't understand something so common in a story. I'm even more confused since you say you've never had a problem writing stories without Man vs Man conflict. I feel like you write too much from your own perspective. Something you don't consider mean could totally be considered mean by one of your characters. I hate the asshole/dickhead kind of people, but I still write characters like that. Why? Because it makes the world feel so much more real. I like comedies because they make me happy and I love to laugh. I like mysteries because I'm a curious person who wants to find out what's behind what crime or want to see the characters solve something, like where something could be. I like some romances because they're sweet and loving. I like realistic things as long as it doesn't mimic things in a negative way, such as drama. That's the kind of stories I write, I mean, why write something that's more common in today's stories? It will probably bore some people looking for something more original RECIPE!!!!! or complex. You cannot generalize everybody is bratty and mean. There are some who are really nice, some who are quiet, some who are reserved, some who are calm and some who are kind of outgoing. There's a broad range of personalities, and I tend to pick the nice, quiet, reserved, and calm type. Some writers do write characters that are closer to their personalities or lives. And I don't have a problem with that, L.M. Montgomery does that for example. Before I got to the age of 7 or 8, I was a kid who always wanted to do the right thing until I started having traumatic problems in school which had changed me to a more mean and insensitive person. But I still wish to be the sweet, loving girl I was. Here is a page of my books http://www.lulu.com/shop/search.ep?contributorId=450818 |
Angry_Anime_NerdApr 4, 2017 11:11 AM
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. "TURN THAT JAPANESE SHIT OFF OR I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING WALL!" |
| Because it's cool Id even know it myself. |
| [quote=pinkarray] Extect said: pinkarray said: Most anime will either have conflict or be focused in SOL, and as conflicit can only come from so many sources (internal, environment, person, society, fate, technology, etc.) and if we add in an imperfect character which is a good thing in literature this conflict will usually lead to violence against the antagonist or violence out of frustration. Something like NGE does this very well in my opinion. But on the other hand most battle shounen and stuff just use fighting for cool factor And if you want to avoid violence you could see something like death parade or liar game (manga) are pretty good on that (off the top of my head), but avoiding it is really an immature prospect as you miss out on good series. How is that immature to avoid a violent movie that is highly regarded? Is it because when we're adults, we can watch something more inappropriate? Well, growing up does not make you like violence.:( I do like more mature stuff and just because you're an adult that likes Disney stuff doesn't make you childish because they're for kids. Disney is family-oriented and so is Pixar or Dreamworks etc.. They are not something aimed at pre-schoolers like Sprout. Maurice_5 said: So in these stories, what's the conflict? Genuinely curious. It's not that I actively dislike movies without violence in them. Some perfectly peaceful movies are among my favourites. (History Boys is a great example.) But I am saying that it's harder to write conflict for such a story than for one with a clearly defined villain, and I'm saying that fight scenes are a great way to add excitement to a story. The conflict was something like an item getting lost like a grocery shopping list or tissue and there were people trying to find them. I also wrote stories about a little girl who couldn't get a crocodile so she runs away. That's the stories I wrote when I was a kid for example. I also like Pixar and Disney movies. The last one I saw was sing and I thought it was a good story but Disney movies take easy themes so that even a younger child can understand them. Most adults can enjoy movies like this but they don't really take anything out of it. Now stories can basicly do two things, entertain or teach (usually focused on themes) and in my opinion a good story should try to do both. And then a mature adults job is to try to experiance these different stories and then relate or contrast them to their own life in order to develop their own moral code. Basicly an adult shouldn't look away from something just because they don't like it (though as an entertainment source you usually want to enjoy something, and anime is mostly that) But from your second post I also guess you're younger so you shouldn't force yourself either. |
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pinkarray said: Robiiii said: Dude are u serious? Lot of anime try to have all these "friendly" characters where they even apologize 100 times for absolutely insignificant things, yet alone do violent things. Perish the thought! It can be boring as hell, so atleast violence brings literally the opposite of that, just pure evil and i love it. Its really refreshing and mixes things up. Sounds like ur quite troubled there tho. Better stick to Disney movies then. They are quite harmless after all. I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you talking about tsunderes? Because tsundere is becoming a stereotype now, there is a better way to create character development/redemption without using the traditional tsundere type. And I'm not saying movies don't need a villain for the character to fight. If that's what interests you, stick to your own opinion. I don't care about if there's a bad villain or not. But violence needs to stop in my opinion because I don't like seeing gory stuff where characters are injured. Oh my bad. I forgot to write that lil disclaimer. Tsunderes are shit, yes. They just do baseless violence, even if they're wrong they still abuse the poor lil mc. Just because. I also hate that haha I was more referring to evil main protagonists, as seen in Youjo Senki, for example. |
| cause it gets boring and unrealistic for everyone to get along and be friends and smile while running through filed's of flowers...the world isn't just roses and sunshines. Also for me its fun to watch lets say a movie about a drug cartel, its interesting to get to know other stuff even if its pure violence, rather than another one about a unpopular boy that meets a hot grill and then....ZZZZ |
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| I don't live in the south side of Chicago so I don't necessarily get to see much violence in my daily life, and I live in Canada, where most people who are 'mean' are actually just passive aggressive pussies, so I don't get much of that in my life either. It's a fresh breath of air to see something I don't get to see regularly. It's like when I go to the strip club and throw my money at naked chicks, because bitches don't show me their titties irl Kappa123 |
I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| hey op just cuz ur a pissant sjw cunt who doesnt want to see ppl injured or whatever, then stop watching shows that have such elements. just like you dont like seeing gory stuff, there are ppl who want to watch that. it makes us happy to watch a worthless bystander get rekt. and if its a named char, even better. its the same reason ppl still watch wrestling and say the older videos of blood smeared fighters and headshots with chairs were more fun and they miss it. I dont know abt mean chars, I havent come across any in anime [like mean girls] mean chars and violence are two diff things |
KuroudoAkabane said: hey op just cuz ur a pissant sjw cunt who doesnt want to see ppl injured or whatever, then stop watching shows that have such elements. just like you dont like seeing gory stuff, there are ppl who want to watch that. it makes us happy to watch a worthless bystander get rekt. and if its a named char, even better. its the same reason ppl still watch wrestling and say the older videos of blood smeared fighters and headshots with chairs were more fun and they miss it. I dont know abt mean chars, I havent come across any in anime [like mean girls] mean chars and violence are two diff things Well, I don't know much about wrestling and why are you calling me names for not liking to see people injured? Are you mad? Pissant sjw c word, I wasn't even insulting anyone! And what's wrong with being a sjw? Don't you want those kind of people in your life? [quote=Extect message=50223146] pinkarray said: Extect said: How is that immature to avoid a violent movie that is highly regarded? Is it because when we're adults, we can watch something more inappropriate? Well, growing up does not make you like violence.:( I do like more mature stuff and just because you're an adult that likes Disney stuff doesn't make you childish because they're for kids. Disney is family-oriented and so is Pixar or Dreamworks etc.. They are not something aimed at pre-schoolers like Sprout. The conflict was something like an item getting lost like a grocery shopping list or tissue and there were people trying to find them. I also wrote stories about a little girl who couldn't get a crocodile so she runs away. That's the stories I wrote when I was a kid for example. I also like Pixar and Disney movies. The last one I saw was sing and I thought it was a good story but Disney movies take easy themes so that even a younger child can understand them. Most adults can enjoy movies like this but they don't really take anything out of it. Now stories can basicly do two things, entertain or teach (usually focused on themes) and in my opinion a good story should try to do both. And then a mature adults job is to try to experiance these different stories and then relate or contrast them to their own life in order to develop their own moral code. Basicly an adult shouldn't look away from something just because they don't like it (though as an entertainment source you usually want to enjoy something, and anime is mostly that) But from your second post I also guess you're younger so you shouldn't force yourself either. I'm 18. And if I despise somethign I can stop watching it. No problem. hiei229 said: This is obviously bait but I will respond anyways. First of all clarify what anime without violence that you like? You just keep mentioning disney which has nothing to do with anime. 2nd I do like my slice of life shows but I do like action in it to, not because it glorifies violence or anything, but creates a conflict in said story to keep me interested. And tbh, you say you wrote stories about people losing something off their grocery list, sounds extremely dull. tl;dr basically give me examples I want to know what you watch because apparently nothing violent nor SOL with little girls which scratches off like 75% or so of anime I watch Cowboy Bebop, Trigun, some of the Ghibli stuff such as Howl's Moving Castle or something. I'm not talkign just about anime, I'm talking about things in general and I am not baiting. I was 6 writing stories about people losing items like a grocery shopping list, can't you cut me some slack? I was only 6 YEARS OLD!! JESUS FRIGGING CHRIST!! GROW UP!!!! People like you guys are why Trump is president! |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. "TURN THAT JAPANESE SHIT OFF OR I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING WALL!" |
| I guess psychological violence is fine since no one is hurt physically. Well that's what i get from reading op. |
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| There's a side to mean and violent characters you don't see in everyday people. It's exciting. There's no risk or fear of a violent mean character in anime, but in reality, someone mean and violent can pose an actual threat to you. We can just sit back and watch in safety. Often times they can get development. Explaining why they act the way they do. Other times they are forced to act such a way. Many times the series has conflict which cannot be resolved in a non-violent manner peacefully. I wouldn't say I lean to preference of violence, but I am not against it should a character have no other option. This is why I really liked Drive. |
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| @pinkarray Thanks for assuming my -g-e-n-d-e-r-(I don't know how to do this) political oriantation, but I lean liberal, And trumps an idiot but not quite as bad as liberal media makes him look. I mean I think we'd be in ww3 by now if he was. And I mean when the Democrats got caught in a scandal during the campaign they litterly just blamed Russia for leaking the info instead of taking responsibility.. do you really have to wonder why people didn't vote for them? |
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| I dunno, it's cool I guess. I am a soft person in general and even partially relate to Shinji but I just love horror stuff. Not gratuitous blood and gore but yeah blood and gore is awesome. Violence is cool. I feel like it's unextraordinary but it still feels a bit weird when I think about it. |
| Because violent and mean people watch anime too? Idk, I'm a SoL comedy kind of guy, so I'm a bad example lol. I mean, FMA: Brotherhood is good and all, but it's no Ichigo Mashimaro ;-) |
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| Because whiny protagonists are boring. |
| i love it in fiction and i hate it irl LOL |
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Extect said: Uhhh... for sure, dude. @pinkarray Thanks for assuming my -g-e-n-d-e-r-(I don't know how to do this) political oriantation, but I lean liberal, And trumps an idiot but not quite as bad as liberal media makes him look. I mean I think we'd be in ww3 by now if he was. And I mean when the Democrats got caught in a scandal during the campaign they litterly just blamed Russia for leaking the info instead of taking responsibility.. do you really have to wonder why people didn't vote for them? What website is this again? |
| I'm also filled with pure-hearted ulterior motives. |
| Surprised to see Bebop in your favorites then. That show's pretty damn violent. |
| "No, son, you may not have your body pillow at the dinner table!" |
| Because violence in its purest form is actually fun. |
Holybaptiser said: Extect said: Uhhh... for sure, dude. @pinkarray Thanks for assuming my -g-e-n-d-e-r-(I don't know how to do this) political oriantation, but I lean liberal, And trumps an idiot but not quite as bad as liberal media makes him look. I mean I think we'd be in ww3 by now if he was. And I mean when the Democrats got caught in a scandal during the campaign they litterly just blamed Russia for leaking the info instead of taking responsibility.. do you really have to wonder why people didn't vote for them? What website is this again? Right that was totally off topic but op mentioned trump so I figured it was fair game. If I'm not mistaken this is MyAlianLover or mal right? |
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CatSoul said: Surprised to see Bebop in your favorites then. That show's pretty damn violent. It does have some violent moments I don't approve of but it's not as violent as something like NGE. |
| Numbuh 3, you've got to get off the couch, you cannot sit in that tree house, girl you like Rainbow Monkeys so grab your little shit and then swing! Hand tracks be tracking me to different doorways. In a maze, and I don't know what to do. Guaranteed though, Ima find the emeralds. "TURN THAT JAPANESE SHIT OFF OR I'LL PUT YOU THROUGH THE FUCKING WALL!" |
| shouldn't be so curious but... right_from_the_arse said: I have a fetish for seeing kids get hit.  .... |
karambiaApr 4, 2017 12:09 PM
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| I approve of violence in fiction because: -I'm a man and therefore like blood, fights and battles of various types, car chases, and explosions. -It's not real. -It creates higher stakes, therefore shows that have it can be more interesting than shows that don't. -It serves as a function for advancing the plot, which can only be a good thing because a stagnating plot is bad. Conflict of some type is a key element in stories. -Psychologically, it can serve as an outlet for some people to release violent urges in a healthy manner so that they aren't out in the real world punching people on the street and shooting up movie theaters. As for "mean" characters it depends on how mean exactly they are and whether they're the main character. Personally, I am a huge fan of atypical characters like anti-heroes or reformed villains who are not be your typical do-gooders and can sometimes be classified as mean. They can have a different set of morals or values than your typical protagonist or even be downright evil and still be very entertaining to watch. |
KruszerApr 4, 2017 12:48 PM
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| People are bloodthirsty like that and they get a kick out of it. I for one enjoy violence & gore in anime. I don't find them disgusting like in movies. |
incisorr said: i love it when people start acting like some neutral almighty unbiased godly judge and they even believe their own shit, suddenly its not their thoughts and opinions anymore but the righteous justice god way, they are unbiased, non-subjective, they just are! To be honest, everyone is like this quite often, me included, but i don't forget myself and i still post a lot of personal shit which is what forums are made for , if they didn't want us to have our own style and posts it would be an article instead a forum thread. |
pinkarray said: CatSoul said: Surprised to see Bebop in your favorites then. That show's pretty damn violent. It does have some violent moments I don't approve of but it's not as violent as something like NGE. Interesting how you consider NGE more violent. Both aired on American TV in censored formats, in which NGE received significantly less violence edits, the majority of its edits being for language and nudity. Cowboy Bebop had to be cleaned up of quite a lot of blood, with an Adult Swim exec at one point described the uncut version as more violent then anything you'd ever see on basic cable. Can't say if I agree or disagree since I haven't seen the original NGE yet. |
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