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| That was really intense and insane, I feel like didn't move on my seat. So that's the Betelgeuse, the sinful archbishop of sloth, Conti, he looks so creepy and crazy, at same time funny, but hell yeah I fucking hate him. I felt like I'm watching a film when the credits have shown while a bgm was playing. That was Puck's true form, he freeze the whole place. Good thing Subaru gone back to his senses and fired up, after seeing twice those horrible corpses, and Rem being killed in front of him, the unseen hand looks powetful, just wondering how he will defeat the Betelgeuse. So eager for the next episode |
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| dont worry, im just going to be laying here in suffering and death- thanks white fox your show has fucking DESTROYED me |
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| BREATH TAKING 10/10 |
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| Absolutely phenomenal (and kinda fucked up) episode, heard Betelgeuse was supposed to mutilate Rem's body even more but unfortunately it wouldn't have been suitable for broadcast. Props to Subaru's voice actor though, could really feel the rage. Soundtrack was fantastic as always, credits also gave me goosebumps, with everything slowly being engulfed in the snowstorm. Was that supposed to be Puck at the end though? Sounded like him. Rip Subaru, frozen to death twice in one episode. |
| I think without context, it looks bad. But he died so many times to save her and felt abandoned and unappreciated because she never knew what he had to go through to keep her alive. Most people would have moved on and stopped trying after so many failures. His cracking was inevitable. I forgive him for acting like a douche. But I'm glad his desire for revenge has got the fire going again. I want him to go all fanatical demon on Sloth. That creep has got to go down. |
Mickdrew said: AnimeJunky said: I hope everyone that shit talked now understands why Subaru is the way he is. I also hope you feel like complete jackasses for the way you shit talked on him in previous episodes. Er... no... not at all, actually. What he went through in this episode to traumatize him has absolutely no impact on before, so he was just as much an asshole then. Yes, he was traumatized from previous deaths then too, but that would be unrelated to his instinctively self-centered nature which he would've had all along. Hopefully he can start redeeming himself now, but that doesn't change what's happened before Erm yea okay, Lets see how your mental state is affected after dying so many times while experiencing the gruesome deaths of yourself & the ones you care about. On top of that not being able to say anything to anyone about it. |
Mickdrew said: yeah that's true Subaru gone really stupid with his actions, even the LN readers says itAnimeJunky said: I hope everyone that shit talked now understands why Subaru is the way he is. I also hope you feel like complete jackasses for the way you shit talked on him in previous episodes. Er... no... not at all, actually. What he went through in this episode to traumatize him has absolutely no impact on before, so he was just as much an asshole then. Yes, he was traumatized from previous deaths then too, but that would be unrelated to his instinctively self-centered nature which he would've had all along. Hopefully he can start redeeming himself now, but that doesn't change what's happened before |
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AnimeJunky said: Mickdrew said: Er... no... not at all, actually. What he went through in this episode to traumatize him has absolutely no impact on before, so he was just as much an asshole then. Yes, he was traumatized from previous deaths then too, but that would be unrelated to his instinctively self-centered nature which he would've had all along. Hopefully he can start redeeming himself now, but that doesn't change what's happened before Erm yea okay, Lets see how your mental state is affected after dying so many times while experiencing the gruesome deaths of yourself & the ones you care about. On top of that not being able to say anything to anyone about it. Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
| Man, this was hard to watch. Dying twice in one episode..yikes. Subaru needs to give up on Emilia and hook up with Rem. |
uran10 said: I really want to read the novel, LNreaders says that it more brutal in the LN, they Rem had been mutilated in front of Subaru. and Subaru repeatedly kill himself, though this still brutal and hellishAnime of the year..... I'm so hyped for the next episode... But this one was brutal.. it was so brutal. Rem.... poor Rem..... Subaru you better find someway to fix this and save both twins. Atleast he's determined now. |
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AnimeJunky said: Mickdrew said: Er... no... not at all, actually. What he went through in this episode to traumatize him has absolutely no impact on before, so he was just as much an asshole then. Yes, he was traumatized from previous deaths then too, but that would be unrelated to his instinctively self-centered nature which he would've had all along. Hopefully he can start redeeming himself now, but that doesn't change what's happened before Erm yea okay, Lets see how your mental state is affected after dying so many times while experiencing the gruesome deaths of yourself & the ones you care about. On top of that not being able to say anything to anyone about it. Please explain to me how the trauma caused by experiencing the death of several people close to you would make you feel entitled to be appreciated. They are unrelated. Subaru was disliked because he wasn't a likable person. Not because he was traumatized. |
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RainyRai said: AnimeJunky said: Erm yea okay, Lets see how your mental state is affected after dying so many times while experiencing the gruesome deaths of yourself & the ones you care about. On top of that not being able to say anything to anyone about it. Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Yea, not being able to tell anyone what's happening to you sure does wonders when someone says they can't understand you. |
RainyRai said: but those stupid actions was not just cause by his stupid behavior, his PTSD from previous death, also affect him, he gone stupid by behaviour with unstable mind cause by death PTSDAnimeJunky said: Erm yea okay, Lets see how your mental state is affected after dying so many times while experiencing the gruesome deaths of yourself & the ones you care about. On top of that not being able to say anything to anyone about it. Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. |
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| @RainyRai Oh I see now thanks |
on RainyRai said: Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Well..... I would argue that this side of Subaru didn't come out of nowhere. It was always in the background, and his motivations throughout the show included this side of him. His asshole self just wasn't very obvious until his fight with Emilia. |
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My counter arguments are made in my initial post. The only name calling I've made was to you, not Fai. I only said "keyboard warrior", which I consider quite tame for the Internet. |
| Ahhhh, I see now why Rem is best girl. hahaha. Jump ship. You guys are right, best episode yet |
| i like how the priest could tell that suburu mind isn't broken yet and he is just acting that way... it was like his mind found a way to escape that hell by pretending to be insane. |
| Finally! No more ''EMILIA EMILIA EMILIA EMILIA EMILIA EMILIA''-obsession (atleast i hope). And more Rem. More Rem is always a plus. Now, that new villain... Creepy McCreepy pls. So the Witch's 'Generals' are named after the Sins, huh. However... The last 3 Episodes already killed most of my Hype for the Series, and i wasn't as hyped this Episode. It's basically... I mean did we not go through this when the curse killed Rem in Arc 2? Oh wait we did. This. It's still better then ep 11-15 tho. And Mr. Puck(?) All big and scary. As for the Edge, i never really cared about it, so idc. Altough... Puck killing Subaru for EMF dieing.. idk... Fai said: Overall Rem was the saving grace of the episode. Out of entire cast, she remains the most likeable and badass character. This so much. Rem is basically carrying the Series right now. |
ShrimperorJul 10, 2016 4:43 PM
| So they trying to break Subaru and Rem end up dying again along with some other people. Subaru suffer so much, but still hate him for his pathetic self. Wonder what he will do to save them. |
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| fuck im crying.. this was beyond amazing |
Idiotproofninja said: that was Puck's behavior after gone berserk and Emilia died, he doesn't care anymore of his surroundings it was shown he freeze everything on that placeiRels said: So you believe he has that, huh? No, he has not. Sure he fears the pain. But I had just given you an example of painless death. And he has to revive them, yeah. As he wants to succeed. They're vital. He can't give up anymore. Because he's also related to all this. There's no issue with him making use of his ability. It's there for that. If he doesn't have PTSD then he should keep killing himself Edge of Tomorrow/Groundhog day style and actually master a few useful fighting skills before the next horrible tragedy. But he never does and never will. |
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RainyRai said: AnimeJunky said: Erm yea okay, Lets see how your mental state is affected after dying so many times while experiencing the gruesome deaths of yourself & the ones you care about. On top of that not being able to say anything to anyone about it. Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Anyone is going to be an emotional wreck from build up of trauma and repeated deaths. There people who go through less of what Subaru does in IRL and lose control of themselves from difficulties their dealing with. Subaru isn't an asshole or depressive manic but extreme circumstances like with all humans can force him be that way for a given time. People have limits when comes to how much something affects them worse when their situation where they can talk about their problems so they no outlets for their stress. If you can't understand this then we are done talking. |
Iron_MawJul 10, 2016 4:43 PM
AnimeJunky said: RainyRai said: Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Yea, not being able to tell anyone what's happening to you sure does wonders when someone says they can't understand you. A conflict that was not seriously brought up until after Subaru acted like a giant cunt already. Bl4ckR4bbi7 said: RainyRai said: but those stupid actions was not just cause by his stupid behavior, his PTSD from previous death, also affect him, he gone stupid by behaviour with unstable mind cause by death PTSDYeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Again, his change into being a stupid asshole happened out of nowhere. You can slapping him acting worse as PTSD, but suddenly become worse from an ok person with no build up is not. Mickdrew said: RainyRai said: Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Well..... I would argue that this side of Subaru didn't come out of nowhere. It was always in the background, and his motivations throughout the show included this side of him. His asshole self just wasn't very obvious until his fight with Emilia. Except he was always portrayed as "guy with no social skills but with kind heart" instead of switching to "idiot dickhead". His obsessiveness can be explained by thinking about it yourself, but that doesn't explain why he's an idiot dickhead. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
Jagd84 said: RainyRai said: Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Anyone is going to be an emotional wreck from build up of trauma and repeated deaths. There people who go through less of what Subaru does in IRL and lose control of themselves from difficulties their dealing with. Suabru isn't an asshole or depressive manic but extreme circumstances like with all humans can force him be that way for a given time. If you can't understand this then we are done talking. Thank You! Glad to see someone like me. |
| This episode easily tops every f**king anime this season and probably year. I've never seen anything like this in a while. 10/10 |
Jagd84 said: RainyRai said: Yeah, but does death PTSD suddenly turn you into a complete asshole which was never even hinted by your character before-hand? No. Anyone is going to be an emotional wreck from build up of trauma and repeated deaths. There people who go through less of what Subaru does in IRL and lose control of themselves from difficulties their dealing with. Suabru isn't an asshole or depressive manic but extreme circumstances like with all humans can force him be that way for a given time. If you can't understand this then we are done talking. "it would make him an asshole" again There was no indication for this type of change It just suddenly happens when he gets to the election There was no slight spiral downwards in the series, he suddenly became an asshole. You can explain all you want with PTSD, but sudden changes to a character out of nowhere still aren't good. |
TyrelJul 10, 2016 6:02 PM
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
RainyRai said: Except he was always portrayed as "guy with no social skills but with kind heart" instead of switching to "idiot dickhead". His obsessiveness can be explained by thinking about it yourself, but that doesn't explain why he's an idiot dickhead. An asshole dickhead would go out of his way to look like a guy with no social skills but with a kind heart - That's my point. It doesn't make him a bad person, but he was acting flamboyant and considerate because he wanted people to accept and appreciate him. This is the problem I have with people claiming Subaru somehow "changed" in episode 13: you're claiming to know who he "truly" was, and that the writers completely changed his character and fucked him up. Isn't it more likely that it was the writers who knew the "true Subaru" all along? If they show that his personality makes him a dick, then he's a dick. You can't pretend to know more than the writers about a character they were writing! |
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Senpaoi said: I'm happy to know that the author is a sucker for happy endings, as seen up to now. Making a lot of assumptions there. |
"Vaut mieux se suffire à soi que finir assoiffé dans le monde des apparences."  |
RainyRai said: Except he was always portrayed as "guy with no social skills but with kind heart" instead of switching to "idiot dickhead". If he really was such a saint then explain why he didn't choose to help a lost little girl in episode 1 and opted to help Emilia find the insignia instead? |
Mickdrew said: RainyRai said: Except he was always portrayed as "guy with no social skills but with kind heart" instead of switching to "idiot dickhead". His obsessiveness can be explained by thinking about it yourself, but that doesn't explain why he's an idiot dickhead. An asshole dickhead would go out of his way to look like a guy with no social skills but with a kind heart - That's my point. It doesn't make him a bad person, but he was acting flamboyant and considerate because he wanted people to accept and appreciate him. This is the problem I have with people claiming Subaru somehow "changed" in episode 13: you're claiming to know who he "truly" was, and that the writers completely changed his character and fucked him up. Isn't it more likely that it was the writers who knew the "true Subaru" all along? If they show that his personality makes him a dick, then he's a dick. You can't pretend to know more than the writers about a character they were writing! Alright, I can accept your arguement. Z4k said: RainyRai said: Except he was always portrayed as "guy with no social skills but with kind heart" instead of switching to "idiot dickhead". If he really was such a saint then explain why he didn't choose to help a lost little girl in episode 1 and opted to help Emilia find the insignia instead? Kind heart/=/saint fam. He is kind, he plays with kids and tries to connect with people. But he's not super kind. |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
RainyRai said: iRels said: 'Unrelated to this'? He's been doing that in this series. Lol. He considered it a flaw to have Felix in the show. Because he's a cat girl trope. I think he criticized the other candidates, too. And their speeches. A bunch of things. And they were all justified. That person didn't like Subaru's 'change'. What? I told already that Subaru only behaved more in the issue with the shaman, because it was needed. In the town, he felt relieved, and acted more carefree. The issue with Julius? So that person didn't know enough about Subaru to consider he acting that way? Yeah. But they thought they did. And that it was 'out of character' for him to. Oh I remember their reply to what I said about Felt being a candidate not being a spoiler. Disagreed with. When even the show wanted the viewer to know. They ended with 'Wrong? I've yet to be wrong.' Pfft. Says that person that doesn't reads the source, yet think that they understand more, when understanding even less than many that did not. That's not my point; he should have stuck to Re:Zero, instead of bringing up his thoughts on stuff not related to this at all. I don't know what your second paragraph is directed to. Jagd84 said: Anyone is going to be an emotional wreck from build up of trauma and repeated deaths. There people who go through less of what Subaru does in IRL and lose control of themselves from difficulties their dealing with. Suabru isn't an asshole or depressive manic but extreme circumstances like with all humans can force him be that way for a given time. If you can't understand this then we are done talking. "it would make him an asshole" again There was no indication for this type of change It just suddenly happens when he gets to the election There was no slight spiral downwards in the series, he suddenly became an asshole. You can explain all you want with PTSD, but sudden changes to a character out of nowhere still aren't good. Subaru talking shit during the election was warranted. Did you not see how they were talking about Emilia? Just because they are of a higher class doesn't give them the right to say the things they said about Emilia. But I guess taking up for someone is now considered being an asshole? |
AnimeJunky said: Jagd84 said: Anyone is going to be an emotional wreck from build up of trauma and repeated deaths. There people who go through less of what Subaru does in IRL and lose control of themselves from difficulties their dealing with. Suabru isn't an asshole or depressive manic but extreme circumstances like with all humans can force him be that way for a given time. If you can't understand this then we are done talking. Thank You! Glad to see someone like me. Yeah, but in fairness some of it still partly do his own flaws such as his subtle self-entitlement, but that is understandable because it only developed as way for him cope with his lonely situation. Subaru himself more than anyone knows how powerless he is and trying fight against that insecurity that was made worse by losing to Julius, having his resolve question and no longer having his emotional pillar (Emilia). It's very blunt but some how there who missed these details. |
Z4k said: RainyRai said: Except he was always portrayed as "guy with no social skills but with kind heart" instead of switching to "idiot dickhead". If he really was such a saint then explain why he didn't choose to help a lost little girl in episode 1 and opted to help Emilia find the insignia instead? Exactly. This is just how Subaru works: - sees a lost girl? Why help her? He's on a quest to be the best in his own fantasy story! - Emilia wants to help the little girl? Help the little girl, and do your best to play with her and look good cuz Emilia is there. |
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