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tinybunnvevo said: Phoebe3315 said: I still stand by my claim. Even if it's not by a lot, the people in this show DEFINITELY feel less pain than a real life person. The first guy bit in the first episode acted like he wasn't even aware that blood was flowing out of his hand (with the bone exposed and everything)! If you blame that on adrenaline too, then surely Kurusu managed to get up and defend Ayame-sama with his life because of adrenaline as well. I don't disagree with you saying that people feel less in this show. I don't think it makes the anime better to ignore obvious things that should wound someone, especially being stabbed all the way through. Then again it could be possible there is more suffering to come, but I don't think it improves the show for everyone to no longer feel pain. I don't really care if they don't show a visible reaction, since they've all been through so much violence already, it's more so ignoring the fact that the body needs time to heal. I still think Kurusu should have been down for the count for a little longer. He could have been, and someone else could have sacrificed their life OR at least held onto the sword carrying kabane. The show has no problem sacrificing minor characters. I don't see the problem with giving his body time to heal. I can ignore other parts where people are injured and don't really react but I kind of feel like it's starting to get a little lazy in this instance. I think Ikoma (and Ayame) did that in his place. |
Ayame wasn't ordering them or anything. She was simply telling them it was more dangerous than the long way there. It doesn't matter if she was "simply telling them" or not. She's the shogun heir and thus they should listen to herThe other way could've had a bad kabane attack as well, and since the water supply (not to mention the food supply) is a problem, there are pros and cons with each route. Taking a gamble sometimes IS necessary and CAN pay off. It wasn't necessary to take a gamble since they only had one thing to do: consider the pros and cons and see which route seemed to be the safest one. "Longer, but lower risk of zombie attacks" > "shorter, but higher risk of zombie attacks"I don't care how much you dislike the fact that the kabaneri haters tried to disconnect the last car and got the whole train in trouble. Given their characters, it makes sense, and you're in the minority if you think the episode would have been better had that not happened. No it doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense that they're still alive to begin with. It's completely unbelievable that they even managed to make it past the first twenty minutes of the show given the excessive amount of stupidity the characters have been showing since episode 1 |
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tinybunnvevo said: I don't disagree with you saying that people feel less in this show. I don't think it makes the anime better to ignore obvious things that should wound someone, especially being stabbed all the way through. Then again it could be possible there is more suffering to come, but I don't think it improves the show for everyone to no longer feel pain. I don't really care if they don't show a visible reaction, since they've all been through so much violence already, it's more so ignoring the fact that the body needs time to heal. I still think Kurusu should have been down for the count for a little longer. He could have been, and someone else could have sacrificed their life OR at least held onto the sword carrying kabane. The show has no problem sacrificing minor characters. I don't see the problem with giving his body time to heal. I can ignore other parts where people are injured and don't really react but I kind of feel like it's starting to get a little lazy in this instance. I understand your argument, but I think Kurusu did it because it's Ayame-sama. He is a very devoted samurai and closer to her than anyone else right now, so of course he's gonna be the one to run in and do everything he can to protect her, even if he's in a lot of pain. There was a shot clearly showing him hurting directly before Ikoma yelled that he needed blood, so it's not like he was unaffected. |
Comic_Sans said: "muh it's just an action flick" people, sorry but that excuse is bullshit and nothing else. There's a whole bunch of movies/TV series, both live action and anime, that manage to be good despite being "action flicks" – Neon Genesis Evangelion, Kara no Kyoukai, Marvel's Jessica Jones and Mad Max: Fury Road are all good examples of this. Action flick ≠ automatically devoid of criticism You seem to have a problem bro, as if we were using it as an excuse to forgive the issues of the show, rather than a definition of how shallow it is. Are you sure you didn't took things out of proportions? And that Evangelion example was just wrong. It doesn't matter if she was "simply telling them" or not. She's the shogun heir and thus they should listen to her You seem to dislike the concept of "Mob mentality". That is all. |
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Comic_Sans said: Ayame wasn't ordering them or anything. She was simply telling them it was more dangerous than the long way there. It doesn't matter if she was "simply telling them" or not. She's the shogun heir and thus they should listen to herThe other way could've had a bad kabane attack as well, and since the water supply (not to mention the food supply) is a problem, there are pros and cons with each route. Taking a gamble sometimes IS necessary and CAN pay off. It wasn't necessary to take a gamble since they only had one thing to do: consider the pros and cons and see which route seemed to be the safest one. "Longer, but lower risk of zombie attacks" > "shorter, but higher risk of zombie attacks"I don't care how much you dislike the fact that the kabaneri haters tried to disconnect the last car and got the whole train in trouble. Given their characters, it makes sense, and you're in the minority if you think the episode would have been better had that not happened. No it doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense that they're still alive to begin with. It's completely unbelievable that they even managed to make it past the first twenty minutes of the show given the excessive amount of stupidity the characters have been showing since episode 1Who told you they were thinking about anyone but themselves in the front cars. They see a chance to manipulate the niece of a a big wig, to ditch the Kabaneri in the middle of nowhere and arrive as quickly as possible to the stronghold of the shogun by discoupling a car after car when the food and water supplies hit the train again. Their plan is short-sighted and greedy but certainly not a momentary lapse of reason, which would make them inconsistent characters in inconsistent subplot. And subplot of their machinations develops from the end of episode 1. |
zellamiMay 6, 2016 2:36 PM
Phoebe3315 said: I understand your argument, but I think Kurusu did it because it's Ayame-sama. He is a very devoted samurai and closer to her than anyone else right now, so of course he's gonna be the one to run in and do everything he can to protect her, even if he's in a lot of pain. There was a shot clearly showing him hurting directly before Ikoma yelled that he needed blood, so it's not like he was unaffected. That's a good point. Maybe it was the way the ending went down, but it didn't seem like much time had passed since they shouted "victory!" |
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Did what in his place? I'm confused. |
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I bet you are. The Wazatori, who arrived to fight it, because it was clear as a daylight that even Kurusu's skills and katana won't pierce his heart. And why the minor characters should be sacrificed when they won't be of any help, but a pointless gore feast. |
Holy hell this was probably the best episode so far!! |
You seem to have a problem bro, as if we were using it as an excuse to forgive the issues of the show, rather than a definition of how shallow it is. Are you sure you didn't took things out of proportions? They're basically the same thing"Lol it's an action flick thus it's shallow" And that Evangelion example was just wrong. Genres: Action, Dementia, Drama, Mecha, Psychological, Sci-Fi You seem to dislike the concept of "Mob mentality". That is all. If Ayumu(?) just had been some fuckwit girl then it would've made sense but as it is now she happens to be the shogun heir. Those niggas shouldn't have no time for no mob mentality bullshitWho told you they were thinking about anyone but themselves in the front cars. By taking the more dangerous route they put EVERYBODY in danger, including themselves. So that explanation doesn't make senseThey see a chance to manipulate the nice of a a big wig, to ditch the Kabaneri in the middle of nowhere and arrive as quickly as possible to the stronghold of the shogun by discoupling a car after car when the food and water supplies hit the train again. Their plan is short-sighted and greedy but certainly not a momentary lapse of reason, which would make them inconsistent characters in inconsistent subplot. And subplot of their machinations develops from the end of episode 1. |
Comic_SansMay 6, 2016 2:42 PM
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Comic_Sans said: Ayame wasn't ordering them or anything. She was simply telling them it was more dangerous than the long way there. It doesn't matter if she was "simply telling them" or not. She's the shogun heir and thus they should listen to herThe other way could've had a bad kabane attack as well, and since the water supply (not to mention the food supply) is a problem, there are pros and cons with each route. Taking a gamble sometimes IS necessary and CAN pay off. It wasn't necessary to take a gamble since they only had one thing to do: consider the pros and cons and see which route seemed to be the safest one. "Longer, but lower risk of zombie attacks" > "shorter, but higher risk of zombie attacks"I don't care how much you dislike the fact that the kabaneri haters tried to disconnect the last car and got the whole train in trouble. Given their characters, it makes sense, and you're in the minority if you think the episode would have been better had that not happened. No it doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense that they're still alive to begin with. It's completely unbelievable that they even managed to make it past the first twenty minutes of the show given the excessive amount of stupidity the characters have been showing since episode 1Comic_Sans said: Ayame wasn't ordering them or anything. She was simply telling them it was more dangerous than the long way there. It doesn't matter if she was "simply telling them" or not. She's the shogun heir and thus they should listen to herThe other way could've had a bad kabane attack as well, and since the water supply (not to mention the food supply) is a problem, there are pros and cons with each route. Taking a gamble sometimes IS necessary and CAN pay off. It wasn't necessary to take a gamble since they only had one thing to do: consider the pros and cons and see which route seemed to be the safest one. "Longer, but lower risk of zombie attacks" > "shorter, but higher risk of zombie attacks"I don't care how much you dislike the fact that the kabaneri haters tried to disconnect the last car and got the whole train in trouble. Given their characters, it makes sense, and you're in the minority if you think the episode would have been better had that not happened. No it doesn't make sense because it doesn't make sense that they're still alive to begin with. It's completely unbelievable that they even managed to make it past the first twenty minutes of the show given the excessive amount of stupidity the characters have been showing since episode 1Yes, they SHOULD listen to her. But it makes sense that they don't. They feel she has been making poor decisions. These guys obviously aren't as obedient as Ikoma, Ayame doesn't want to argue with them considering the people on the train have lost faith in her, and it's not like there's no benefit to going the more dangerous route. Yes, the other way is the smarter decision, if they have enough supplies to last, but it isn't the guaranteed much better route you're trying to make it out to be. You are contradicting yourself now. If so many characters in the show are stupid, then yes, OF COURSE a bunch of stupid people are going to end up on the train, when everyone in the whole place had to try and escape on it. |
Phoebe3315May 6, 2016 2:46 PM
FarrelSal said: Jonesy974 said: My big question is, what the fuck happened to the girl in the yukata who decapitated the Kabane with her shoe? She just magically vanished. They did show her getting on the train, but she literally hasn't made an appearance after that. She didn't even get an appearance when they stopped the train or anything. She got on and is completely MIA now. She's also not shown in the OP with the main cast at all so I guess she's not a side character...which is weird since she's also a Kabaneri and she closely resembles Ikoma's sister. You'd think she'd have much more relevance. Do you even pay attention to the show? That's mumei Is it? I could've sworn that she was a different person. I thought Mumei was with Ayame's group the whole time and that the "other girl" was by herself getting to the train after her escort died. Also thought that "other girl" got on the train while Mumei was still in her battle outfit. But, I wasn't entirely focused during the first episode, so there is a good chance I just didn't pay enough attention and totally missed it, lmao. |
MysteriousBanana said: Jonesy974 said: I'm assuming you're joking about how different Mumei's actual personality is to what her expected personality was based on what little we saw of her behavior in episode 1.My big question is, what the fuck happened to the girl in the yukata who decapitated the Kabane with her shoe? She just magically vanished. They did show her getting on the train, but she literally hasn't made an appearance after that. She didn't even get an appearance when they stopped the train or anything. She got on and is completely MIA now. She's also not shown in the OP with the main cast at all so I guess she's not a side character...which is weird since she's also a Kabaneri and she closely resembles Ikoma's sister. You'd think she'd have much more relevance. Nope wasn't joking. Was just straight up retarded and didn't pay enough attention to episode 1 lol. Somebody had to point it out for me haha. |
Comic_Sans said: You seem to have a problem bro, as if we were using it as an excuse to forgive the issues of the show, rather than a definition of how shallow it is. Are you sure you didn't took things out of proportions? They're basically the same thing"Lol it's an action flick thus it's shallow" And that Evangelion example was just wrong. Genres: Action, Dementia, Drama, Mecha, Psychological, Sci-Fi You seem to dislike the concept of "Mob mentality". That is all. If Ayumu(?) just had been some fuckwit girl then it would've made sense but as it is now she happens to be the shogun heir. Those niggas shouldn't have no time for no mob mentality bullshitWho told you they were thinking about anyone but themselves in the front cars. By taking the shortcut they put EVERYBODY in danger, including themselves. So that doesn't make senseThey see a chance to manipulate the nice of a a big wig, to ditch the Kabaneri in the middle of nowhere and arrive as quickly as possible to the stronghold of the shogun by discoupling a car after car when the food and water supplies hit the train again. Their plan is short-sighted and greedy but certainly not a momentary lapse of reason, which would make them inconsistent characters in inconsistent subplot. And subplot of their machinations develops from the end of episode 1. Because of Ayame and her bodyguards, who are also nobles, they couldn't. Their main goal is to receive the laurels of delivering her to her uncle safe. This is why it was crucial to prove her incompetent and meek, and strip her off of her position and the thrust the peasants have in her. |
zellami said: I bet you are. The Wazatori, who arrived to fight it, because it was clear as a daylight that even Kurusu's skills and katana won't pierce his heart. And why the minor characters should be sacrificed when they won't be of any help, but a pointless gore feast. I'm aware that Ikoma defeated the Wazatori an that Kurusu was unable to pierce the heart of the Wazatori. I watched the episode lmao. What I don't understand is what you're trying to highlight before by saying that Ayame and Ikoma defeated the Wazatori in Kurusu's place. I know that. The only role Kurusu served in holding the wazatori down was buying time. He wasn't harmed by the wazatori while holding it down, the only damaged he sustained were the ones from previously being stabbed. Some other character could have held him down, since he really shouldn't be able to move after being stabbed like that. He wasn't the only competent fighter in the front lines lol. |
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Yes, they SHOULD listen to her. But it makes sense that they don't. They feel she has been making poor decisions. These guys obviously aren't as obedient as Ikoma, Ayame doesn't want to argue with them considering the people on the train have lost faith in her, No it doesn't make sense because at times like these they should be considering ALL pros and cons if they truly want to survive. And like I said earlier, she's the shogun heir, so they're basically required to listen to her and it's not like there's no benefit to going the more dangerous route. Yes, the other way is the smarter decision, if they have enough supplies to last, but it isn't the guaranteed much better route your trying to make it out to be. I didn't say it was much better, I said it was "better". And of course it wasn't guaranteed, but if there are two options and one of them seems slightly safer than the other, THEN YOU GO WITH THE ONE THAT'S SLIGHTLY SAFERYou are contradicting yourself now. If so many characters in the show are stupid, then yes, OF COURSE a bunch of stupid people are going to end up on the train, when everyone in the whole place had to try and escape on it. What contradiction?Because of Ayame and her bodyguards, who are also nobles, they couldn't. Their main goal is to receive the laurels of delivering her to her uncle safe. This is why it was crucial to prove her incompetent and meek, and strip her off of her position and the thrust the peasants have in her. And how exactly does your answer disprove what I just wrote? |
Comic_SansMay 6, 2016 3:01 PM
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tinybunnvevo said: zellami said: I bet you are. The Wazatori, who arrived to fight it, because it was clear as a daylight that even Kurusu's skills and katana won't pierce his heart. And why the minor characters should be sacrificed when they won't be of any help, but a pointless gore feast. I'm aware that Ikoma defeated the Wazatori an that Kurusu was unable to pierce the heart of the Wazatori. I watched the episode lmao. What I don't understand is what you're trying to highlight before by saying that Ayame and Ikoma defeated the Wazatori in Kurusu's place. I know that. The only role Kurusu served in holding the wazatori down was buying time. He wasn't harmed by the wazatori while holding it down, the only damaged he sustained were the ones from previously being stabbed. Some other character could have held him down, since he really shouldn't be able to move after being stabbed like that. He wasn't the only competent fighter in the front lines lol. This much pain he can hold. It's fat and muscle pain, clean cut, no twisting inside. But even if he doesn't (hold it), he'll do it anyway. He is a samurai. If not the Kabaneri, he is the most skilled fighter in the front lines. The big guy is a gunner and the others are better off guarding Ayame and the others. |
| Sure after all being stabbed in the stomach is no big deal. Not like you could hit an organ or something lol. I'm not going to continue to nitpick over this, since it's a minor detail and doesn't actually destroy the flow of the show or anything. You are right in that he is a samurai, so he will sacrifice his life for Ayame. My points were less about who gets to hold down who, and more about how it doesn't make sense for people to not react or at least be shown bed ridden when sustaining an injury (esp. near vital areas). Like @Phoebe3315 said before, the show operates on a logic where people sustain injuries but somehow manage to be ok, 5 seconds later. As far as we know everyone else (including the samurai) are just normal human beings, and not in the class of Ikoma or Mumei, who's body's can heal under a short period of time. Not devoting any time to showing people recovering makes things seem a little rushed to me, but I'm not like, writing the show off as extremely awful over this. |
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| Getting better each episode. We learned that Kabane are cognitive. Still bothered though, about how Mumei is taking out those Kabane. I understand the yari kill, since with enough speed (generated by her superhuman strength) anything can pierce anything, but she seems to be killing them left and right with regualr steam muskets too. The only thing I can think off is that you don't actually have to pierce a Kabane's heart to kill it, that taking off enough limbs or destroying/severing its brain will also kill it, and that piercing its heart (if possible) is just the fastest/safest way to do it. Jarjaxle said: Let me put this way...This is Feudal/Industrial Time of Japan....where Shogun system is still Active...Where Class System for People is Active....In reality Ikoma would have Died if Kurusu or any of the Bunshi would have seen her trying to take Bite on Ayame...She is Literally Princess and Ikoma is a Peasant...and top of that no Loger Fully Human....he might have lost his Tongue or Arms for just being Peasant and trying to touch her... That Bite Try? Easy to say they would have cut his Head off. I guess that a zombie apocalypse even lets feudal Japanese bend the rules a little occassionally. Also, bear in mind that he's under Mumei's protection, and she isn't exactly a peasant. |
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Comic_Sans said: Yes, they SHOULD listen to her. But it makes sense that they don't. They feel she has been making poor decisions. These guys obviously aren't as obedient as Ikoma, Ayame doesn't want to argue with them considering the people on the train have lost faith in her, No it doesn't make sense because at times like these they should be considering ALL pros and cons if they truly wanted to survive. And like I said earlier, she's the shogun heir, so they're basically required to listen to her and it's not like there's no benefit to going the more dangerous route. Yes, the other way is the smarter decision, if they have enough supplies to last, but it isn't the guaranteed much better route your trying to make it out to be. I didn't say it was much better, I said it was "better". And of course it wasn't guaranteed, but if there are two options and one of them seems slightly safer than the other, THEN YOU GO WITH THE ONE THAT'S SLIGHTLY SAFERThis argument is getting ridiculous... There's a reason those guys aren't the leader, and why they have to give the key back at the end of the episode. They make worse decisions than Ayame. Okay? Still, I don't think you understand it makes a difference that Ayame didn't ORDER them to avoid the mountains. They did not disobey her. Also, if these people would actually "consider ALL pros and cons to survive" then you'd think they'd have maybe not tried to ditch the only two powerful enough to adequately protect them from kabane attacks. So yes, these people are stupid but it's not like there's no reasoning behind their actions. |
| @Comic_Sans And where is your line about the nobles disconnecting the cars in the beginning, am? It makes sense to them, because it's the shortest route. A car or two sacrificed in the process would only give them a chance wriggle out of this decision by blaming Ayame for supporting the Kabaneri. But if they have disconnected the cars from the beginning, they immediately lose face as nobles - something which could be easily verified by the uncle with the Bushi and Ayame. |
Comic_Sans said: You seem to dislike the concept of "Mob mentality". That is all. If Ayumu(?) just had been some fuckwit girl then it would've made sense but as it is now she happens to be the shogun heir. As if mob mentality were something that can be calmed down easily once it is out of control with just the simpe title of "shogun heir". You are assuming scared people will follow somebody who supports what they fear: Non human things. It even took them a few episodes to do that. It's pretty basic and easy to understand. And in this show, it was really easy to notice. You just don't like mob mentality in your shows. Those niggas shouldn't have no time for no mob mentality bullshit Implying they can think rationally when A) they are superstitious and b)they are scared. What made you think otherwise? The fact there are Kabanes out there? There are Kabaneris, non human entities, in their train. Why should they not be scared? No it doesn't make sense because at times like these they should be considering ALL pros and cons if they truly want to survive. They don't consider things. They fear. Fear numbs rationality. It makes all the sense. What part of your rational skull has trouble understanding such simple concept? |
TyrelMay 7, 2016 12:11 PM
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| It was a good episode, at least much better than last week thanks to its entirety not being spent on displaying how moronic humanity becomes in the face of fear. Despite the usual amount of plot induced stupidity and contrivences that I've come to expect from the show, this episode did have a couple of great moments, the highlight being obviously the blood contract between Ayame-sama and Ikoma bae. Kurusu not being a total cunt actually getting down to business was also reeeaally statisfying, one because he's hot and two because his anime samurai fighting style is a treat to watch. (btw does anyone have a .gif of that scene where Kurusu appears out of nowhere next to Ayame and Big Guy-kun like a damn ninja? If yes then feel free to share, plz) The contrast between the extremely well animated tidbits of action and the stills felt like one big throwback to the days of Attack on Titan, not that I dislike it, mind you. Same thing with Ikoma picking up on Mumei's moves and using them on the Kabane, which is more than a little remisnicent of Annie and Eren during their trainee days. Only one minor pet peeve that I have is how easily an allegedly formidable foe like the Wazatori was taken care of, when we know that Ikoma didn't really "train" with Mumei so much as he got beaten up for a couple of hours max. Learning by imitation is one thing, but disposing of a supposedly top-tier enemy in a matter of seconds that a trained samurai could barely go toe-to-toe with is something else entirely. But yeah, other than 'twas pretty enjoyable. |
SapewlothMay 9, 2016 5:54 AM
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tinybunnvevo said: Sure after all being stabbed in the stomach is no big deal. Not like you could hit an organ or something lol. I'm not going to continue to nitpick over this, since it's a minor detail and doesn't actually destroy the flow of the show or anything. You are right in that he is a samurai, so he will sacrifice his life for Ayame. My points were less about who gets to hold down who, and more about how it doesn't make sense for people to not react or at least be shown bed ridden when sustaining an injury (esp. near vital areas). Like @Phoebe3315 said before, the show operates on a logic where people sustain injuries but somehow manage to be ok, 5 seconds later. As far as we know everyone else (including the samurai) are just normal human beings, and not in the class of Ikoma or Mumei, who's body's can heal under a short period of time. Not devoting any time to showing people recovering makes things seem a little rushed to me, but I'm not like, writing the show off as extremely awful over this. Who says it doesn't hurt? Hurts like hell probably, but it's Kurusu who we are talking here, not you and me as in the 'normal people', who aren't trained soldiers. The fact he didn't whine only compliments his character and lives to the fame samurai had, it didn't fucking mean he healed in 5 sec. It meant he'd fight to his afterlife if needed in order to protect Ayame. And Ikoma helped, where Kurusu could do as much. |
Comic_Sans said: It becomes excusing once you start using it as an excuse And where did I did that? Comic_Sans said: NGE is a psychological action flick See, case closed. It's not "just an action flick" as I refer to this show. That's why I said Eva as an example is wrong. Comic_Sans said: I like it when it makes sense for the characters to go full mob mental It makes sense here. Comic_Sans said: See, that's the problem, they're TOO stupid, superstitious and scared. They shouldn't even be alive at this point Let me tackle the fear first: they fear what is non-human. It's not their race. Is that simple. That's where the fear comes from, the inability to trust the unknown. It would be more ridiculous if they trusted him right away. Let me bring the bonfire to defend the stupid point too: The fact they allowed it was because they had the measures to run away as soon as Kabanes were around. They have shiny bodies, making it easier for them to see them in the night, and they had guards around the area to keep an eye. They were considering the risks of the bonfire, and that's why we have that scenario. |
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| YES! Ayame-sama is finding the true path to leadership. Now that the bigoted bigshot not only chose a route upon which the kabane attacked them, it was his idea to ditch the last railcar and he gave the Master Key to a subordinate, and that subordinate permitted the kabane to enter the armored train. Ayame always kept it on her person and was never lax with her responsibility to safeguard it. They are very lucky that lackey wasn't holding it when the kabane killed him, he might have dropped it and then its gone! Plus the fact that it was Ayame, not him, who led the counter attack and containment of the Kabane. The people aboard should now follow her lead and accept her authority. Well done young lady! |
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zellami said: tinybunnvevo said: Sure after all being stabbed in the stomach is no big deal. Not like you could hit an organ or something lol. I'm not going to continue to nitpick over this, since it's a minor detail and doesn't actually destroy the flow of the show or anything. You are right in that he is a samurai, so he will sacrifice his life for Ayame. My points were less about who gets to hold down who, and more about how it doesn't make sense for people to not react or at least be shown bed ridden when sustaining an injury (esp. near vital areas). Like @Phoebe3315 said before, the show operates on a logic where people sustain injuries but somehow manage to be ok, 5 seconds later. As far as we know everyone else (including the samurai) are just normal human beings, and not in the class of Ikoma or Mumei, who's body's can heal under a short period of time. Not devoting any time to showing people recovering makes things seem a little rushed to me, but I'm not like, writing the show off as extremely awful over this. Who says it doesn't hurt? Hurts like hell probably, but it's Kurusu who we are talking here, not you and me as in the 'normal people', who aren't trained soldiers. The fact he didn't whine only compliments his character and lives to the fame samurai had, it didn't fucking mean he healed in 5 sec. It meant he'd fight to his afterlife if needed in order to protect Ayame. And Ikoma helped, where Kurusu could do as much. ok my dude, lol. I think you're missing what I'm saying, because I'm not attacking Kurusu's character or saying he was a bad samurai. You're right in that he was brave in trying to defend Ayame. I don't have anything to say to that so i feel like i'm done here addressing what you're saying. Originally you picked out barley a sentence of mine, when I was discussing a larger problem that does not involve whether or not Kurusu is a good samurai or not. I'm talking about how this show deals with injuries. Kurusu's is just one out of multiple ones which are sometimes difficult to apply logic too. Kurusu, although maybe annoying, has consistently defended not only the people, but Ayame, and has risked his life for them. It's also clear he respects and cares about Ayame, yet he still tries to use his own head and judgement instead of just relying on someone to tell him what to do all the time. I don't have anything to say about his characterization. You can continue to state how strong he is, and all I can do is agree, because I'm not talking about his bravery or how much he sacrifices for the sake of duty. |
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| I want a giant train like this for Christmas *-* |
tinybunnvevo said: zellami said: Who says it doesn't hurt? Hurts like hell probably, but it's Kurusu who we are talking here, not you and me as in the 'normal people', who aren't trained soldiers. The fact he didn't whine only compliments his character and lives to the fame samurai had, it didn't fucking mean he healed in 5 sec. It meant he'd fight to his afterlife if needed in order to protect Ayame. And Ikoma helped, where Kurusu could do as much. ok my dude, lol. I think you're missing what I'm saying, because I'm not attacking Kurusu's character or saying he was a bad samurai. You're right in that he was brave in trying to defend Ayame. I don't have anything to say to that so i feel like i'm done here addressing what you're saying. Originally you picked out barley a sentence of mine, when I was discussing a larger problem that does not involve whether or not Kurusu is a good samurai or not. I'm talking about how this show deals with injuries. Kurusu's is just one out of multiple ones which are sometimes difficult to apply logic too. Kurusu, although maybe annoying, has consistently defended not only the people, but Ayame, and has risked his life for them. It's also clear he respects and cares about Ayame, yet he still tries to use his own head and judgement instead of just relying on someone to tell him what to do all the time. I don't have anything to say about his characterization. You can continue to state how strong he is, and all I can do is agree, because I'm not talking about his bravery or how much he sacrifices for the sake of duty. Well, I wasn't attacking you. Since you were discussing the logic of the anime, Kurusu's injuries and "healing time", which you gave as an example, can be explained outside the suspension of disbelief, is what I was saying. In the case with Ikoma, suspension of disbelief is naturally required, because the "logic" of the anime is to present him as a fantastic creature in his respective way (injuries, powers, and so on); in Kurusu's case it isn't necessary or the bare minimum is necessary (because he is a fictional character after all). |
zellami said: Well, I wasn't attacking you. Since you were discussing the logic of the anime, Kurusu's injuries and "healing time", which you gave as an example, can be explained outside the suspension of disbelief, is what I was saying. In the case with Ikoma, suspension of disbelief is naturally required, because the "logic" of the anime is to present him as a fantastic creature in his respective way (injuries, powers, and so on); in Kurusu's case it isn't necessary or the bare minimum is necessary (because he is a fictional character after all). I didn't really think you were personally attacking me, I was just saying I didn't really know what else to say other than to restate my opinion. I still stand by my opinion but I don't think it's a HUGE problem, it just takes me out of the some scenes at times, but it doesn't destroy the logic or feeling of the show. I think the show is pretty good so far and it's still in it's infancy stages (unless it has 12 episodes lmfao), so it's possible they'll explore other reactions outside of the ones we've been show. |
I couldn't think of anything cool to put here. |
| Some scenes were a bit too melodramatic. Fairly good episode. |
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| Fabulous episode. Not that I didn't have my concern the animation was falling apart with all the freeze frames but it certainly all worked together IMO. By far the best show I am watching this season. |
| This is excessively Dumb if i should exagerate. Why the fuck kabanes did not storm the shit out of those car train? Why the hell they even walk so limp? an unbearable hunger? exhaustion? physical trauma upon landing in train? This wakatori seems to grows a wing. or was it a struma? Suddenly this kurusu piece of shit is a swordmaster badass? scaling the wall and shit? Very convinient! Half of the train's ressident was dead and miraculously nobody is transformed into kabane? sweet plot, very convinient! ROKKON SHOJO? Who gives a fuck? |
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Darklight0303 said: KoreaWS said: Most of them are just pointing flaws. Don't confuse that with hate, unless they use explicit words like fuck this shit or something. The show has flaws, and you can't deny them, that's all. No most of those flaws are actually desperate nitpicking and a severe demonstration of fear to deduce things from facts and instances on screen and blaming the writing because it doesn't explain everything to them textbook style Go and actually listen to the dialogue from the first four episodes and tell me if thats how you think real conversations go, or if thats how normal humans talk. |
| They have been samurais for who knows long and now they realize "hey maybe using your katana is a good idea". This show is a joke. |
Vanisher said: They have been samurais for who knows long and now they realize "hey maybe using your katana is a good idea". This show is a joke. The only trained Samurai in the group is Kurusu. Everyone else is a base level Bushi or in western terms, militia. Also Kurusu still got wrecked by the Wazatori in the end and he couldn't cut the heart so again Being a normie samurai will only get you SO far. The only joke is your nitpicking |
Darklight0303 said: Vanisher said: They have been samurais for who knows long and now they realize "hey maybe using your katana is a good idea". This show is a joke. The only trained Samurai in the group is Kurusu. Everyone else is a base level Bushi or in western terms, militia. Also Kurusu still got wrecked by the Wazatori in the end and he couldn't cut the heart so again Being a normie samurai will only get you SO far. The only joke is your nitpicking It didn't make any sense for him to go for the heart in the first place since they know that it's armored. Why didn't he try to go for the arms or the legs? plot convenience, the MC needed to save the day. It's the first time they saw a Wazatori so saying that "they didn't use katanas because they knew the couldn't beat them" is an invalid excuse. |
| Still dont get this hype for this anime... Yeh its entertaining, has good action, but in the end, the story is (so far) just medicore, has a lot of flaws and its more than once per episode cringeworthy.. This Episode again ppl acting like idiots. I would give them all my blood to protect me. Its clearly, they are Human with superstrength to beat the Kabanes, but ppl still playing idiots and in the end, half of them are dead. I can understand their disbelief, they lost family and are afraid and distrustful etc.. but how many days are left? Both are not acting like Kabanes. In fact all ppl are living coz of them. at the moment i would rate it so far with 6.5/10 (7 mal rating) |
NiQue_May 6, 2016 5:47 PM
| why the fuck did those retards did not got blood from their friends before engaging with the kabane in battle? heck why the fuck did mumei even went to battle since she only had a few minutes to fight the principal spends years studying the kabane to find their weakness but still has no idea that some of them are able to use weapons every adult in the series is showed to be an asshole that has the only role of victimizing the poor ikuma and mumei and they love to kill random cannon fodder for dramatization basically awesome episode |
| Pretty good episode, enjoyed the action and makes hope for more :) |
| Another very good episode 9/10 |
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gabrielrroiz said: why the fuck did those retards did not got blood from their friends before engaging with the kabane in battle? heck why the fuck did mumei even went to battle since she only had a few minutes to fight I don't believe they had anything which could cleanly/easily cut skin. I mean, Mumei could cut them with her fingernails or something but she might accidentally really hurt them, plus they don't exactly have anything in the last train car better than their own clothing to stop bleeding. Ikoma was kinda opposed to using their blood as well until he desperately needed it. Also, Mumei said that she reached her limit sooner than she thought she would, so yeah she thought she had enough time. Probably because she forgot to use the timer in her weapon. |
MysteriousBanana said: eggbutt said: 1st episode, guy uses explosive and blows himself up, train is fine. Ikoma blows his sister up with explosive he's fine. This episode female warrior blows herself up, the whole side of the train is gone...? I'm seeing a lot of continuity issues just with this. And what's with mumei's explanation of the wazatori: yes they can fight now cause they have experience. 1) That's was a guy and he pulled the suicide bag while his back was against three barrels of gunpowder. The only incongruity in that scene is why was the explosion powerful enough to blow the roof and wall open, but not kill everyone else who were standing mere feet from it. 2) Don't know which sub group you went with, but that's not Mumei's explanation at all. She says the wazatori are kabane who remember how to fight, as in it's experience they had from when they were alive, not that they learned to fight after becoming kabane. This isn't surprising given we have two kabane who still remember how to be human. What I understand from Mumei's word: 「 戦を重ねて戦い方をおぼえてる。」 -ikusa wo kasanete tatakai kata wo oboeteru.- means, after it becomes kabane, it fights and gains experiences. おぼえてる in here doesnt mean "remember", but "gain" contextually. Though I cannot deny 100% possibility of the meaning you said. I only prefer what I understand 90% :) Thanks. |
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