| When your job is all about image and you ruin said image I don't think it's unfair to be treated harshly by your bosses or the public. They know the consequences and are happy to sign the contracts. Young men have these contracts too so it's hardly a gender issue. If it's your talent that's selling and not your image you can be as slutty as you want. |
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| Japan's gender equality gap? OK, someone help me out here cuz last time I heard, being a female Has more advantages when talking about the entertainment industry. There are much more female voice actors who earn more money than men. Idol groups are obviously insanely more popular if they are women. Japan is very western in many aspects and yet still very "traditional" in others... There is a LOT more pressure for men to earn money in order to support the family then women. And because of this pressure, it is no wonder why suicide is so fucking sky high in Japan. And yeah...you guessed it, just like seemingly everywhere on this goddamn planet...more men commit suicide then women. That number was more than double compared to women in Japan. So yeah...women have it so much harder...the poor delicate flowers... |
| I don't know if this is a gender gap issue considering that popular male idols tend to get the same treatment (e.g. Mamoru Miyano) and, as someone mentioned in the comment section of the article, the reason why Kawatani's carrier hasn't been affected is because he's an indie rock artist "whose image not one of a moral upright person – such an image does not sell rock records" Though I do think Japan really need to get their shit together when it comes to the idol industry and their purity issues but that's a different topic |
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| Jimusho culture is tyranny to the max and often makes Hollywood look like angels in comparison also there is no privilege in it and often comes with human rights violations. Also, the fans can easily ruin them over false things not even an assumption or something out of context just straight false rumors with no ability at all to defend themselves, debunk the rumor or apologize since they almost have no rights. If just one fan does not like them 100%, they're gone. |
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| She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. |
hoopla123 said: She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. It's not sexism but my god no one deserves their career ruined over a simple affair, especially since in the US said affair wouldn't do a thing to a star's career. |
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Hoppy said: hoopla123 said: She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. It's not sexism but my god no one deserves their career ruined over a simple affair, especially since in the US said affair wouldn't do a thing to a star's career. Different countries different cultures. |
hoopla123 said: Hoppy said: It's not sexism but my god no one deserves their career ruined over a simple affair, especially since in the US said affair wouldn't do a thing to a star's career. Different countries different cultures. Corrupt, illegal, and draconian business practices =/= culture |
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An affair ruining someone's career (which is entirely her fault) isn't corruption or an example of an illegal business practice. She was a scumbag and got what she deserved. |
umashikaneko said: Hoppy said: you are talking about idol culture? actually she is rather polar opposite of idol. becky has few avid fans but generally positively perceived individual regardless of gender or generation. Her value as TV personal mainly lies on being "cheerful/clean girl generally giving positive impression to everyone" that is why her career as CM talent hit hard. She was popular to companies who want their goods to be associated with "clean" image of her. Still an affair causing all of this is a bit much, you're talking about a punishment that typically happens with drug possession or trafficking, you know actual crimes in Japan. |
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hoopla123 said: She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. B-but...she's oppressed cuz she's a womyn... |
| @cymbalino >The Guardian >Sexism Before you talk about "sexism", think about why you are looking at The Guardian. The agenda driven news outlet that still houses Jessica Valenti. Anyway, we all know Japan has a culture around romantic and sexual relationships. They're pretty stupid standards (they have a collectivist mentality), but it's neither one-sided, nor is this case a case of "oppression of womyns", more like, she fucked up knowing fully well what this would have done to her image if anyone would have found out. His image is different, that's why nothing happened to him, no one actually CARES about the dude. |
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| Tries to promote pure clean image and is outed as a home wrecker and probable slut. And she's 31 to boot. |
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Hoppy said: ikr it's pretty niceIt's not sexism but my god no one deserves their career ruined over a simple affair, especially since in the US said affair wouldn't do a thing to a star's career. Have an affair in the US and your face will be plastered all over the media and then eventually nobody will give a shit. Have an affair in Japan and you'll be blacked out of recognition. Another reason why US > Japan.  |
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| The only reason you would find this overdone is if you are viewing it from a western mindset, but you really shouldn't, this is Japan. If she didn't want something like that to destroy her career, she should have worked in the west where she knew she could get away with something like this, or just not do something that is inappropriate to japanese culture. |
Salad said: The only reason you would find this overdone is if you are viewing it from a western mindset, but you really shouldn't, this is Japan. If she didn't want something like that to destroy her career, she should have worked in the west where she knew she could get away with something like this, or just not do something that is inappropriate to japanese culture. i'd say it would also damage your career in the west. but one thing this article said was true, those tv personalities and idols have no talent all together and therefore are easily replaceable. i have never heared of becky, but as a 31- year old woman her career was nearing its end anyway....better bow out with a big bang |
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Rinshansan said: hoopla123 said: She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. This. Sometimes you have to understand the cultural context of how these things work, think about what people are doing to dig their grave through the whole process. Also Hoppy, just how is this tyranny? Bitch got what she deserved, LOL The punishment didn't fit the crime. |
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| Isn't sleeping with married people kind of a really big deal breaker over there. This isn't so much a sexism thing as a simple culture thing especially when your image is supposed to be clean. Sexism is just thrown in there because if a woman is ever on the ass end of a bad deal call sexism! |
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TR-8RCaim said: Hoppy said: ikr it's pretty niceIt's not sexism but my god no one deserves their career ruined over a simple affair, especially since in the US said affair wouldn't do a thing to a star's career. Have an affair in the US and your face will be plastered all over the media and then eventually nobody will give a shit. Have an affair in Japan and you'll be blacked out of recognition. Another reason why US > Japan. no that is backward this is girl was not a politician idols are role models for young girls so is that the exmaple you shpuld give young girls no its not fucking about is not that a goot role model ot set yes i not in the model of saying waring tight cloths or what not leads ot rape |
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hoopla123 said: She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. Its sexist to blame her and not the person who is actually fucking married. Not saying she didnt do something wrong but the fact people are blowing up on her instead of him shows the level of sexism at play. |
megahobbit said: hoopla123 said: She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. Its sexist to blame her and not the person who is actually fucking married. Not saying she didnt do something wrong but the fact people are blowing up on her instead of him shows the level of sexism at play. It's not sexist. It's her fault for being a homewrecker and an idiot. Stop crying about sexism at every moment you get. And people wonder why feminists are the joke of society today. |
megahobbit said: hoopla123 said: She's a fucking scumbag who had an affair with an already married person. Her career deserves to be ruined. Sexism? Lmao. Pls. Its sexist to blame her and not the person who is actually fucking married. Not saying she didnt do something wrong but the fact people are blowing up on her instead of him shows the level of sexism at play. Ridiculous. It's not that people aren't blaming him, they just don't care because he's in a band and a large portion of his fans aren't obsessive otaku. Her stock falls with this news, his doesn't, that's why there's been a different response by their managers. Nothing to do with gender. |
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Rinshansan said: megahobbit said: Its sexist to blame her and not the person who is actually fucking married. Not saying she didnt do something wrong but the fact people are blowing up on her instead of him shows the level of sexism at play. Stop polluting your Western "it's my body and i can use it wherever i want" ideals onto ones that have no time to take in account to them. She willingly put herself in this situation, she's just like your normal "other woman" that give people who initially want nothing to do with her, the bad one all along. Don't defend the often sleazy, overtly draconian jimusho culture, it's almost if not 100% harmful to all but the top execs, and needs to change no matter where it's at. Although I wish people didn't think these terrible business practices are sexist because it's not actually true. |
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Rinshansan said: Hoppy said: Don't defend the often sleazy, overtly draconian jimusho culture, it's almost if not 100% harmful to all but the top execs, and needs to change no matter where it's at. Although I wish people didn't think these terrible business practices are sexist because it's not actually true. No, you too, don't get it. You just don't snoop around like that. Hell, even outside Japan it should be unacceptable. It takes a fucking brain to not do such damaging things like that. Don't blame the victims. You're doing that right here with your "anti-corporate tyranny" agenda. Forget that for a second and look at what one person willingly did. It would be a non-issue even if there weren't any shady, crooked agencies around or she was affiliated with an agency that doesn't have all of those bad practices, I would just change my tone and all to a company overreacting. It's something you can just sweep under the rug, people will forget affairs for the most part. |
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| I dont know who she is, but as an Idol weeb I would always say the whole "purity" image with dating bans, should just die, I really freaking hate that. even more when it comes to female seiyuus getting death threats whenever they get married wtf Japan wtf (I know I few males seiyuus got them too which is obviously unnaceptable) again, I dont know who she is and what her job was, she did wrong dating a married man? yes, but I dont think just for should lost her job, idk |
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Takuan_Soho said: badwolf45f said: yes, but I dont think just for should lost her job, idk But that is the point, she didn't HAVE a job. She had endorsements. As for the "idols". Remember there is a difference between an "Idol" and a "Musician". The latter, of both genders, can get away with things because they actually have talent and fans; the former are famous solely because they are viewed as "cute". So, if the "purity" image went away, then the whole idol business would go away. cute =/= pure and pure =/= cute A milf can be considered cute, it's extremely subjective. |
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Takuan_Soho said: badwolf45f said: yes, but I dont think just for should lost her job, idk But that is the point, she didn't HAVE a job. She had endorsements. As for the "idols". Remember there is a difference between an "Idol" and a "Musician". The latter, of both genders, can get away with things because they actually have talent and fans; the former are famous solely because they are viewed as "cute". So, if the "purity" image went away, then the whole idol business would go away. already said I dont know who she is, so sorry whatev and about Idols what you say I agree, Im a fan of AKB48, and so far from what I've seen I can tell there's more on those girls than just "cuteness" that's why I complain, because if and Idol does her job well, that is entertain you, it pissed me off that just because she falls in love and hangs out with a guy her whole career is done... Yeah, I know is what they accepted, the purity is what about idols are... I know I know, Im just stating what pisses me off about idol industry. gladly, at least in AKB, fans (some of them) are starting to be more open minded with the whole thing, Sashihara Rino even tho she had a big scandal with her ex saying everything about their relation, fans supported her and she is still very popular, so I have faith. |
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Takuan_Soho said: badwolf45f said: Sashihara Rino even tho she had a big scandal with her ex saying everything about their relation, fans supported her and she is still very popular, so I have faith. Thanks for that example, hadn't heard of that one before. There are 2 things different though. The first is that there was no evidence that she did anything, her "boyfriend" really had no proof allowing her to deny that it occurred (and on this having an ex come out is very different than being "caught"). Even then she was demoted. Second, and more importantly, she has real talent. This was evident before with her own tv show and other acting gigs, outside of the AKB48 network. Fair or not, talent is its own excuse, that was the point I made above. The AKB people obviously knew this before her demotion, because they quickly released a single by her, and wanted to test to see if there was damage. It was the third solo #1 hit by an AKB singer ever. That itself is a sign of talent. The first thing Im not sure,I remember seeing a program where the MC where "joking" with Sasshi about the whole scandal thing and they where saying things like "at the end of the day, it was your fault for dating that stupid guy!" and she was like "I know, I know". Also, the fact that she was demoted kind of proves it was somewhat true, I remember reading Yuki Kashiwagii having a similar "scandal" with a leaked picture of her and a guy, she wasn't demoted or anything cuz it turned out to be false. and the second part I know, but thats the point, people should focus on the talent of the girls rather thatn their "purity" and I can tell you Sasshi is not the only talented girl in AKB :/ |
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umashikaneko said: MortalMelancholy said: I think it just means that the Japanese liked her for all of the wrong (sexist) reasons. Not really.If you know nothing then don't talk. umashikaneko said: bullshit. beccky is all about likable clean character to general public and the man is only known for music talent and people either like music of the band or have no interest in them. If gender were opposite,result Would be opposite. Hmm? Becky's character, per se is assigning a gender role (and is thus sexist), which as you said is the reason people liked her. Way to be contradictory. Just because I don't agree with your opinions about it not being a gender role isn't a cause for insult. |
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