| Do you think it's a good or bad thing to spoon feed info in a story? Why? By spoon feeding I mean telling the audience something upfront rather than letting them figure it out themselves. Do you like a lot of this spoon feeding, a little, or do you like anime where you have to figure everything out on your own? I don't mind there being symbolism in anime that is not explained and left for interpretation- that's awesom, but I don't like when an anime relies so heavily on things like symbolism that if you're not actively searching for that symbolism you get no enjoyment out of the anime. |
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| Yes, or people will complain that the show didn't explain enough, was too subtle, etc etc. Case in point:  |
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| Depends on what you consider "spoon feeding". You shouldn't treat your audience like an idiot, but at the same time, if a large amount of watchers need an explanation from a third party, the information clearly isn't being conveyed properly. |
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OneTrueBaita said: Yes, or people will complain that the show didn't explain enough, was too subtle, etc etc. Case in point: that's clearly an asspull to make Saber win, Baitiya-kun |
| Everyone wants generic light novel adaptations to spoon-fed them the story while giving them shitty fan service and dumb action. Why do you think people think Concrete Revolutio is too confusing and then drop it? |
| every single one of my forum posts is dumb and invalid except for 1, I don't claim them it was a different person it was all fake |
| >if show don't tell, "PLOT HOLE!" >If show tell, "UNNECESSARY!" >if show tell too less, "LACK OF BUILDING!" >if show tell too much, "INFO DUMP!" >if show tell too clear, "SPOON FEEDING!" >if show tell too symbolic, "PRETENTIOUS!" just enjoy goddamn thing already pls. as long it's not overdone, i have no problem with it. |
KumaDec 2, 2015 3:40 PM
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| It's bad when it becomes patronizing |
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| im not in school, just spoon fed me everything, i aint got no time to think, fuch dat |
KingOfBait said: OneTrueBaita said: Yes, or people will complain that the show didn't explain enough, was too subtle, etc etc. Case in point: that's clearly an asspull to make Saber win, Baitiya-kun Not as much as Shirou defeating Gil for the lulz. |
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BaitOfJustice said: KingOfBait said: that's clearly an asspull to make Saber win, Baitiya-kun Not as much as Shirou defeating Gil for the lulz. that was not an asspull at all him making sex to get mana before totally explains how he defeated gilgamesh |
gabrielrroiz said: BaitOfJustice said: Not as much as Shirou defeating Gil for the lulz. that was not an asspull at all him making sex to get mana before totally explains how he defeated gilgamesh Deus Sex Machina :D |
KingOfBait said: gabrielrroiz said: that was not an asspull at all him making sex to get mana before totally explains how he defeated gilgamesh Deus Sex Machina :D See how crap the anime is? It's the devil reborn. We should all follow the great wise prophet Fai-sama:   |
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| and well not spoon feeding informatio0n is usually the best way to tell a story spoonfeed is awful when it is made with cheap ways like using a narrator for exposition or having the characters talking about things that are in series obvious to them) |
| Depends on what kind of anime it is. Either way the main story points should always be conveyed in an easy to understand manner, the rest can be hinted, but you always run the risk of most people not getting it. |
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OneTrueBaita said: KingOfBait said: Deus Sex Machina :D See how crap the anime is? It's the devil reborn. We should all follow the great wise prophet Fai-sama: What will you expect from a, pfft, filthy porny game? |
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OneTrueBaita said: or we can just read Shinji/stay night, which is the true route of F/SN |
BaitOfJustice said: OneTrueBaita said: See how crap the anime is? It's the devil reborn. We should all follow the great wise prophet Fai-sama: What will you expect from a, pfft, filthy porny game? fukkin porno hentai readers coming onto mal and advertising their anime |
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OneTrueBaita said: BaitOfJustice said: What will you expect from a, pfft, filthy porny game? fukkin porno hentai readers coming onto mal and advertising their anime And the worst thing is when they use their filthy bait memes. Good thing that we have Zero. I also expecting HF (the true sequel of Zero), might have less filthy porn and less slice of life wormy scenes. |
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BaitOfJustice said: OneTrueBaita said: fukkin porno hentai readers coming onto mal and advertising their anime And the worst thing is when they use their filthy bait memes. Good thing that we have Zero. I also expecting HF (the true sequel of Zero), might have less filthy porn and less slice of life wormy scenes. I loved Kiritsugu so much in Zero. He's my idol! He's what everyone should become!!! Not like that shitty red hair generic shounen protag "people die when killed" retard in the sequel. High school lol, not even mature. Whatever happened to my boy Gilgamesh and my boy Broskandar? And why is shitty Saber still in this, she got pwned n00b'd so hard by Broskandar man. I think Urobuchi should rewrite Stay Night, he wrote that like in 2004 right? He should make a remake with Tite Kubo. |
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OneTrueBaita said: BaitOfJustice said: And the worst thing is when they use their filthy bait memes. Good thing that we have Zero. I also expecting HF (the true sequel of Zero), might have less filthy porn and less slice of life wormy scenes. I loved Kiritsugu so much in Zero. He's my idol! He's what everyone should become!!! Not like that shitty red hair generic shounen protag "people die when killed" retard in the sequel. High school lol, not even mature. Whatever happened to my boy Gilgamesh and my boy Broskandar? And why is shitty Saber still in this, she got pwned n00b'd so hard by Broskandar man. I think Urobuchi should rewrite Stay Night, he wrote that like in 2004 right? He should make a remake with Tite Kubo. Agree in all of this. I also wonder why Lancer has blue hair in FSN, and what happened with his mole? And why he has amnesia? They ruined mah pretty boi turning him into a fugly dog ;_; And my man Kotomine? He get reduced to a side character. Also, that Berserker is lame, Lancelot with a nuke will rekt him so hard. Uro must rewrite everything and teach that filthy porn game what an edgemaster can do. He should do a crossover with the mangaka of Akame ga Kill too. |
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KingOfBait said: OneTrueBaita said: or we can just read Shinji/stay night, which is the true route of F/SN  |
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OneTrueBaita said: KingOfBait said: or we can just read Shinji/stay night, which is the true route of F/SN I am on day 6, and i am already hooked Gonna catch up to it in the next few days :D |
KingOfBait said: I am on day 6, and i am already hooked Gonna catch up to it in the next few days :D Glad you're enjoying it too :D Which part of day 6 are you on? And have you figured anything out yet? |
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OneTrueBaita said: KingOfBait said: I am on day 6, and i am already hooked Gonna catch up to it in the next few days :D Glad you're enjoying it too :D Which part of day 6 are you on? And have you figured anything out yet? Intermission 6-2 You've Shero going full Okarin or something xD |
KingOfBait said: OneTrueBaita said: Glad you're enjoying it too :D Which part of day 6 are you on? And have you figured anything out yet? Intermission 6-2 You've Shero going full Okarin or something xD Ohohohoho, you'll see :3 Guess who's Ranca? |
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OneTrueBaita said: KingOfBait said: Intermission 6-2 You've Shero going full Okarin or something xD Ohohohoho, you'll see :3 Guess who's Ranca? no idea xD now let me read 6-3 damn that needs to be animated Gil vs. Shero + Nero vs. Zerker Dayum! |
OneTrueBaita said: Yes, or people will complain that the show didn't explain enough, was too subtle, etc etc. Case in point: So he fucked up his attack because his hilt had a crack? anyway, i'm requesting a mod-strike on those faiters. |
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| Rule 1: Don't waste my time Either explain what happened briefly or make it clear what it was the first go |
| The derail itt is reall. Anyways it should not spoon feed you. It dosent feel natural that way |
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OneTrueBaita said: Yes, or people will complain that the show didn't explain enough, was too subtle, etc etc. Case in point: lmao, i didn't even notice that |
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Yomiyuki said: OneTrueBaita said: Yes, or people will complain that the show didn't explain enough, was too subtle, etc etc. Case in point: lmao, i didn't even notice that Exactly. Sometimes details are there, but people just can't pick up on them because they are too small. Not that I'm saying UBW is wrong, but a better way to show the scene probably exists. |
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| Yes, "exposition" is a better word for it. .........I've never cared all that much whether an anime does it or not. I know some people absolutely can't stand it. |
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| Lots of information is better than too little information. As long as I think it's an interesting subject or if it adds to the world-building than it can info dump all it wants. I also don't really mind the "show don't tell" route either as long as it's not cryptic. |
KruszerDec 2, 2015 8:12 PM
| "The name's Gambit. Remember it." -Gambit "X-Men '97"  |
| I missed the crack in Bazuko's axe the first time I watched Berserk, so the explanation helped. It just needs to feel natural. Exposition is part of natural dialogue, people need to know things and as long as I feel like the characters are talking to each other and not me, I'm fine with it. |
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merryfistmas said: I missed the crack in Bazuko's axe the first time I watched Berserk, so the explanation helped. It just needs to feel natural. Exposition is part of natural dialogue, people need to know things and as long as I feel like the characters are talking to each other and not me, I'm fine with it. Was his axe already cracked up before the fight with guts? I don't even remember them talking about it, I think it was just guts' sword simply outmatching his axe. |
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Lap1 said: merryfistmas said: I missed the crack in Bazuko's axe the first time I watched Berserk, so the explanation helped. It just needs to feel natural. Exposition is part of natural dialogue, people need to know things and as long as I feel like the characters are talking to each other and not me, I'm fine with it. Was his axe already cracked up before the fight with guts? I don't even remember them talking about it, I think it was just guts' sword simply outmatching his axe. No, it cracked during the fight and the crack caused it to shatter when it hit his helmet, saving guts. I think it goes into more detail in the remake. |
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merryfistmas said: Lap1 said: Was his axe already cracked up before the fight with guts? I don't even remember them talking about it, I think it was just guts' sword simply outmatching his axe. No, it cracked during the fight and the crack caused it to shatter when it hit his helmet, saving guts. I think it goes into more detail in the remake. I checked, the sword cracking the axe is obvious, then the axe break apart against the helmet, this, is questionable though~ As questionable as that samourai from fate shitting himself cause of a crack on his hilt~ well a sword cutting an axe also is~ |
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Lap1 said: merryfistmas said: No, it cracked during the fight and the crack caused it to shatter when it hit his helmet, saving guts. I think it goes into more detail in the remake. I checked, the sword cracking the axe is obvious, then the axe break apart against the helmet, this, is questionable though~ As questionable as that samourai from fate shitting himself cause of a crack on his hilt~ well a sword cutting an axe also is~ When I say I missed to crack in the axe I meant how the crack caused it to break against his helmet. I agree that it's questionable, but that's how it's explained. |
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| Symbolism should contribute. Symbolism can't save a crappy story. It has to be good on the surface. I don't like narration. Erin has a lot of narration which doesn't add anything. I already see and understand everything. |
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Kuma said: >if show don't tell, "PLOT HOLE!" >If show tell, "UNNECESSARY!" >if show tell too less, "LACK OF BUILDING!" >if show tell too much, "INFO DUMP!" >if show tell too clear, "SPOON FEEDING!" >if show tell too symbolic, "PRETENTIOUS!" just enjoy goddamn thing already pls. as long it's not overdone, i have no problem with it. |
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Exowave said: Kuma said: >if show don't tell, "PLOT HOLE!" >If show tell, "UNNECESSARY!" >if show tell too less, "LACK OF BUILDING!" >if show tell too much, "INFO DUMP!" >if show tell too clear, "SPOON FEEDING!" >if show tell too symbolic, "PRETENTIOUS!" just enjoy goddamn thing already pls. as long it's not overdone, i have no problem with it. |
Exowave said: Kuma said: >if show don't tell, "PLOT HOLE!" >If show tell, "UNNECESSARY!" >if show tell too less, "LACK OF BUILDING!" >if show tell too much, "INFO DUMP!" >if show tell too clear, "SPOON FEEDING!" >if show tell too symbolic, "PRETENTIOUS!" just enjoy goddamn thing already pls. as long it's not overdone, i have no problem with it. |
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OneTrueBaita said: BaitOfJustice said: And the worst thing is when they use their filthy bait memes. Good thing that we have Zero. I also expecting HF (the true sequel of Zero), might have less filthy porn and less slice of life wormy scenes. I loved Kiritsugu so much in Zero. He's my idol! He's what everyone should become!!! Not like that shitty red hair generic shounen protag "people die when killed" retard in the sequel. High school lol, not even mature. Whatever happened to my boy Gilgamesh and my boy Broskandar? And why is shitty Saber still in this, she got pwned n00b'd so hard by Broskandar man. I think Urobuchi should rewrite Stay Night, he wrote that like in 2004 right? He should make a remake with Tite Kubo. Nah bruh, Saber was awesome in zero ,F/sn turned her into a useless servant that is eating all The time ,is actually happy ,and gets captured .Unlike in zero were she actually kicked some ass and was a chivarlous Knight .All of this shows how superior Urobutcher is . |
Kuma said: >if show don't tell, "PLOT HOLE!" >If show tell, "UNNECESSARY!" >if show tell too less, "LACK OF BUILDING!" >if show tell too much, "INFO DUMP!" >if show tell too clear, "SPOON FEEDING!" >if show tell too symbolic, "PRETENTIOUS!" just enjoy goddamn thing already pls. as long it's not overdone, i have no problem with it. |
| IF you look at the number of peoples who called the end of Rokka no Yuusha stupid, or not making sense, saying it's back to the start, saying it's an unnecessary plot twist, saying characters' behaviour don't make sense and the like in the episode 12's thread, you'll understand that "spoon feeding" is pretty much necessary. Anime viewers are used to NOT think during anime, and as a result when they aren't spoon feed and don't understand, rather than thinking they immediately deduce that the story is stupid and doesn't make sense, that it's plot hole and the like. RnY's case is especially funny since some peoples are actually complaining of the exact contrary. IE, that they were given too much indices on some stuff and that their intelligence was therefore "insulted". Make up your mind, peoples. :3 but yeah, I agree with this one : Exowave said: Kuma said: >if show don't tell, "PLOT HOLE!" >If show tell, "UNNECESSARY!" >if show tell too less, "LACK OF BUILDING!" >if show tell too much, "INFO DUMP!" >if show tell too clear, "SPOON FEEDING!" >if show tell too symbolic, "PRETENTIOUS!" just enjoy goddamn thing already pls. as long it's not overdone, i have no problem with it. Although, to be honest, if I have the possibility to choose, I'd rather have something forcing me to think fopr a while to understand rather that something that makes me feel like the director takes me for an idiot unable to understand if not explained completely. But then again, I can't complain about the later either. I mean, there are too many example showing that those anime directors are right to explain that much. |
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| also if you dislike spoon feeding anime, watch concrette revolution. that's how spoon feeding is going soo far away until each of it watcher on mal episodic forum helping each other to understand the series because how confusing it was. |
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