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Nov 13, 2015 3:52 PM
#151
Lust said: <3 |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Nov 13, 2015 3:52 PM
#152
Sapewloth said: Ah merde. J'espère que tout va bien pour toi. Oui, ça va, merci, je suis soulagé d'avoir été au Stade de France plutôt qu'au Bataclan. |
Nov 13, 2015 3:53 PM
#153
Apparently raid is finished, but the body count is high :/. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Nov 13, 2015 3:55 PM
#154
Clebardman said: Apparently raid is finished, but the body count is high :/. Link please |
I've been here way too long... |
Nov 13, 2015 3:55 PM
#155
Lust said: Oh yeah more stickers for facebook. Like it will make people more clever or bring the victims back. And in two weeks everybody would have forgotten. Pornographic compassion. Transforming pain and corpses into fashion ... can't understand that. |
Nov 13, 2015 3:56 PM
#156
Nov 13, 2015 3:56 PM
#157
short_review said: Lust said: Oh yeah more stickers for facebook. Like it will make people more clever or bring the victims back. And in two weeks everybody would have forgotten. Pornographic compassion. You are looking it the wrong way. |
Nov 13, 2015 3:57 PM
#158
HaXXspetten said: Raid has ended, 2 terrorists were killed, dozens of bodies inside Frenchmen that took part in the raid ok? |
SWFC We're all Wednesday arent we? |
Nov 13, 2015 3:57 PM
#159
Chiki said: Z4k said: deadoptimist said: Izumii said: It's stupid when all muslims are accused of certain groups actions. But yes you can't deny that most extremists are coming from Islam these days. The fun thing is that precisely on this forums you can meet a lot of younger people from muslim countries, for example Pakistan, who are worried about the state of their religion and feel that some brands of teaching may be inadequate to the modern world and create problems. That's simply not true at all. None of us, at least those I know, believe the teaching of our religion is inadequate to the modern world or that it creates problems. The problem is the people misusing the teachings of the religions for their own purpose. Yes, I'm sure Muslims are MISUSING what is said in the Quran. Like these for example: Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98 On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161 Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216 (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you. ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43 If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8 You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71 Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76 But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89 Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14 O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54 Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39 O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67 Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3 When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28 Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute. Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41 O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73 Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111 Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation: Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers.... As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15 Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60 Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14 When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4 (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5 Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25 Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29 Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9 The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51 Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. Yeah good job taking all of those out of context to make a point. I'm sure you're proud son but that's not how the interpretation of Quran works. |
Nov 13, 2015 3:59 PM
#160
Z4k said: Misinterpreted or not, the ISIS are interpreting them literallyChiki said: Z4k said: deadoptimist said: Izumii said: It's stupid when all muslims are accused of certain groups actions. But yes you can't deny that most extremists are coming from Islam these days. The fun thing is that precisely on this forums you can meet a lot of younger people from muslim countries, for example Pakistan, who are worried about the state of their religion and feel that some brands of teaching may be inadequate to the modern world and create problems. That's simply not true at all. None of us, at least those I know, believe the teaching of our religion is inadequate to the modern world or that it creates problems. The problem is the people misusing the teachings of the religions for their own purpose. Yes, I'm sure Muslims are MISUSING what is said in the Quran. Like these for example: Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98 On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161 Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216 (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you. ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43 If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8 You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71 Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76 But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89 Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14 O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54 Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39 O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67 Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3 When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28 Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute. Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41 O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73 Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111 Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation: Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers.... As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15 Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60 Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14 When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4 (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5 Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25 Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29 Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9 The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51 Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. Yeah good job taking all of those out of context to make a point. I'm sure you're proud son but that's not how the interpretation of Quran works. And THAT, my dear Z4kkie boii, is the problem |
Comic_SansNov 13, 2015 4:06 PM
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Nov 13, 2015 3:59 PM
#161
You can hear the explosion in the match. https://www.facebook.com/LaVeriteDeAmour/videos/996361193752939/ |
Nov 13, 2015 4:00 PM
#162
hostage situation has supposedly ended though we don't know how many are deceased |
Nov 13, 2015 4:00 PM
#163
Nov 13, 2015 4:00 PM
#164
SetsukoHara said: Ouais, ils ont du profité du fait que l'attention était complètement tournée vers le Stade de France pour attaquer des zones alentours moins bien protégées sans risquer d'être interrompus.Sapewloth said: Ah merde. J'espère que tout va bien pour toi. Oui, ça va, merci, je suis soulagé d'avoir été au Stade de France plutôt qu'au Bataclan. Ca donne pas vraiment envie de sortir de chez soi, tout ça... Clebardman said: It'd make sense, if everybody's dead... :/Apparently raid is finished, |
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Nov 13, 2015 4:01 PM
#165
By the way, to the people who said others who didn't experience this are not actually showing compassion, and only here to voice their political ideas, that's wrong. I do care and I'm pretty sure everyone else cares in this thread. On the biggest Hungarian news site, this topic already has more than 550 comments, in less than 45 minutes. When I mention something related to the attack (like islam or immigrants), that's because I have to talk about something. This is a forum thread, after all. But that doesn't mean I'm just sitting here thinking "thank God someone finally made a big ruckus, now I can finally have a reason to talk about my political ideologies" and rubbing my hands. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:02 PM
#166
Twitter and it's consequences had been a disaster for the human race |
Nov 13, 2015 4:02 PM
#167
Z4k said: Chiki said: Z4k said: deadoptimist said: Izumii said: It's stupid when all muslims are accused of certain groups actions. But yes you can't deny that most extremists are coming from Islam these days. The fun thing is that precisely on this forums you can meet a lot of younger people from muslim countries, for example Pakistan, who are worried about the state of their religion and feel that some brands of teaching may be inadequate to the modern world and create problems. That's simply not true at all. None of us, at least those I know, believe the teaching of our religion is inadequate to the modern world or that it creates problems. The problem is the people misusing the teachings of the religions for their own purpose. Yes, I'm sure Muslims are MISUSING what is said in the Quran. Like these for example: Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98 On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161 Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216 (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you. ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43 If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8 You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71 Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76 But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89 Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14 O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54 Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39 O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67 Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3 When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28 Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute. Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41 O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73 Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111 Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation: Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers.... As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15 Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60 Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14 When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4 (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5 Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25 Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29 Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9 The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51 Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. Yeah good job taking all of those out of context to make a point. I'm sure you're proud son but that's not how the interpretation of Quran works. Anyone who thinks these quotes are out of context is an idiot. It says "slay them" as clearly as possible. It is impossible for that to be in or out of context. Also, the "roast in Hell" lines are very explicit and encourage hatred towards non-Muslims. Islam is the problem, and it has to be gotten rid of. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:03 PM
#168
It won't. |
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Nov 13, 2015 4:03 PM
#169
Europe, especially Germany and France, has to thank its politicians for this and all the things that will come. All of this could have been prevented right from the start. My ancestors repelled the Osmans as they stood at the walls of Vienna. What does their sacrifice mean today? My deepest condolence to the French nation. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:04 PM
#170
Z4k said: That's simply not true at all. None of us, at least those I know, believe the teaching of our religion is inadequate to the modern world or that it creates problems. The problem is the people misusing the teachings of the religions for their own purpose. ... Well, sorry if it sounded offensive, I wished no disrespect to the religion itself, I was talking about the worse interpretations (like the situation with women's rights in some places, or gay rights, or the whole jihad thing, or intolerance to other religions). What I meant is that I see muslim people willing to stop the extremists and willing to find a compromise with other religions. So, I think, that they maybe could've sort the things out if ISIS was weakened enough and also think about ways to prevent this from happening again. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:04 PM
#171
DateYutaka said: where was the big topic like this or the charlston shooting oh thats right that terroit was white and far right wing white nationalist never Change mal never change but them agian mal is full of on no Muh 2nd dont touch it people You're saying people didn't make a big deal out of that?? Anyway, isolated, non-ideological incidents like that are one thing. That's a more general problem in society. When it's shit like this, you know exactly the cause and the solution: get the fuck rid of the fake refugees. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:04 PM
#172
Sapewloth said: too bad It won't. I shood correct taht That shood be what they're doign in teh furst plaec |
Twitter and it's consequences had been a disaster for the human race |
Nov 13, 2015 4:04 PM
#173
يخرج الكائن الحي إفرازات ناتجة عن هضمه الغذاء عبارة عن نفايات في هيئة بول وهو سائل أو في هيئة براز لين ، يخرج من فتحة الشرج. وتكون في الإنسان غالباً بنية اللون، إلا أنها قد تميل إلى الأخضر أحياناً، أو قد تزيد ميوعتها لتقترب من ميوعة الماء فيما يسمى بالإسهال. و هي من النجاسات في الدين الإسلامي وخروجها يؤدي إلى نقض الوضوء. إذا كان البراز سائلا يكون ذلك علامة على الإسهال وإذا "صلبا" فهذا معناه إمساك وكلاهما يحتاج العلاج . يجب على الإنسان المحافظة على أن يكون البراز ليّنا لكي يتمتع بصحة جيدة ، وهذا يستدعي منه أن يراقب ما يأكله وأن يحتوي غذاؤه على الخضروات والألياف ، مثل الطحين الكامل . وهناك كلمة كثيراً ما تستعمل في غير أصل معناها ، وهي كلمة الغائط . ومعنى الغائط في اللغة هو الأرض المتسعة المطمئنة . قال ابن منظور في لسان العرب : ( والغَوْط والغَائِط : المُـتَّسِـع من الأَرض مع طُمَأْنِينة ) . وقد استعمل العرب القدماء مصطلح ( إتيان الغائط ) أو ( المجيء من الغائط ) كنايةً عن التبرز ، لأن الإنسان إذا أَراد التبرز ارْتادَ غائطاً من الأَرض يغيب فيه عن أَعين الناس . ولذلك ليس جيداً استعمال كلمة الغائط للدلالة على البِـرَاز نفسه |
Nov 13, 2015 4:05 PM
#174
pls lupadim |
Twitter and it's consequences had been a disaster for the human race |
Nov 13, 2015 4:07 PM
#176
I ran it through Google translate, some weird gibberish |
I've been here way too long... |
Nov 13, 2015 4:08 PM
#177
Nov 13, 2015 4:08 PM
#178
Nov 13, 2015 4:09 PM
#179
Anyone heard an estimate on the number of terrorists involved--directly? I think I heard at least a dozen? |
Nov 13, 2015 4:09 PM
#180
France closes all borders opens Martial Law. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:10 PM
#181
black1blade said: I knew this would turn into a fucking cancerous MAL convo about Islam. Islam is only one of the elements that have caused this current situation. It's ingrained, if somthing like this happens islam will always be the target. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:10 PM
#182
black1blade said: I knew this would turn into a fucking cancerous MAL convo about Islam. Islam is only one of the elements that have caused this current situation. And the other elements are? I am seriously interested. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:10 PM
#183
black1blade said: I knew this would turn into a fucking cancerous MAL convo about Islam. Islam is only one of the elements that have caused this current situation. It's the inevitable outcome of the post-Cold War world, everybody knows it since 20 years, yet everybody jumps in the death train with a smile. I don't understand but hey, I'm probably dumb. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Nov 13, 2015 4:10 PM
#184
Comic_Sans said: Z4k said: But that's how ISIS are interpreting themChiki said: Z4k said: deadoptimist said: Izumii said: It's stupid when all muslims are accused of certain groups actions. But yes you can't deny that most extremists are coming from Islam these days. The fun thing is that precisely on this forums you can meet a lot of younger people from muslim countries, for example Pakistan, who are worried about the state of their religion and feel that some brands of teaching may be inadequate to the modern world and create problems. That's simply not true at all. None of us, at least those I know, believe the teaching of our religion is inadequate to the modern world or that it creates problems. The problem is the people misusing the teachings of the religions for their own purpose. Yes, I'm sure Muslims are MISUSING what is said in the Quran. Like these for example: Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98 On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161 Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191 Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39 Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216 (different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you. ..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43 If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8 You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71 Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74 Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76 But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89 Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14 O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54 Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39 O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65 It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67 Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3 When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5 Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28 Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute. Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41 O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73 Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111 Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation: Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers.... As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15 Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60 Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14 When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4 (different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly. Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5 Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25 Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29 Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9 The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51 Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. Yeah good job taking all of those out of context to make a point. I'm sure you're proud son but that's not how the interpretation of Quran works. And THAT, my dear Z4kkie boii, is the problem Then the problem is clearly ISIS who are misguiding uneducated idiots for their own gain not Quran. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:11 PM
#185
deadoptimist said: Z4k said: That's simply not true at all. None of us, at least those I know, believe the teaching of our religion is inadequate to the modern world or that it creates problems. The problem is the people misusing the teachings of the religions for their own purpose. ... Well, sorry if it sounded offensive, I wished no disrespect to the religion itself, I was talking about the worse interpretations (like the situation with women's rights in some places, or gay rights, or the whole jihad thing, or intolerance to other religions). What I meant is that I see muslim people willing to stop the extremists and willing to find a compromise with other religions. So, I think, that they could've sort the things out if ISIS was weakened enough. This is the big myth: that somehow those who support killing infidels and apostates are some fringe minority that are perverting the faith. The figures vary from country to country, but it's never a small %, even in non-theocracies, and those ideas come directly from the sacred texts. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:12 PM
#186
This is seriously messed up. I'm speechless. I can't believe that one of the safest Countries in the World, a direct Neighbor, has to face such a Tragedy during a harmless Football Match that doesn't offend anyone. It could lead to pretty ugly Measures like having more Freedoms and Privacy restricted and having People incited against specific Ethnicities and/or Members of a Religion. Szefi said: If anything happens to the German Team or in Germany as well, you can count on an angry German Mob as well. I mean, the Romanian Government has already resigned due to an Accident in a Nightclub and the Situation in Paris or any further Incident could pressure Merkel enough to step down as well."Merkel is shocked by the terrorist attacks." I wonder how shocked she is going to be when an angry mob of French people will protest the next week. Several people have already said that this uncontrolled wave of immigrants has many terrorists in it, and the EU should take a safer approach. To be fair, it wouldn't have been impossible to wrack Havoc if there hadn't been any uncontrolled Immigrants, either. |
NoboruNov 13, 2015 4:18 PM
Nov 13, 2015 4:12 PM
#187
More than 100 corpses in Bataclan alone according to AFP. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Nov 13, 2015 4:13 PM
#188
Well, bedtime for me. Will see how this pans out in the morning. Stay safe, froggies. |
fuck everything and rumble |
Nov 13, 2015 4:13 PM
#189
well not really a surprise but now i guess we can confirm it |
Nov 13, 2015 4:13 PM
#190
short_review said: Pornographic compassion. Transforming pain and corpses into fashion ... can't understand that. That sounds ironic, since they have just published a picture where the Russian plane was drawn with an asshole being fucked by a (?) missile. 240 dead after all... |
Nov 13, 2015 4:13 PM
#191
Then the problem is clearly ISIS who are misguiding uneducated idiots for their own gain not Quran. Except that the Quran is a book that is full of shit so no it's not only ISIS |
Nico- said: Conversations with people pinging/quoting me to argue about some old post I wrote years ago will not be entertained@Comic_Sans oh no y arnt ppl dieing i need more ppl dieing rly gud plot avansement jus liek tokyo ghoul if erbudy dies amirite |
Nov 13, 2015 4:13 PM
#192
Nov 13, 2015 4:13 PM
#193
DJ_Ketchup said: 18 dead so far, still an on going situation DJ_Ketchup said: 35 dead, at least 100 hostages yikes SimplyHuman said: 40 deaths, 3 bombings, there are hostages in an Opera place I think? cause said: 60 dead so far GodAndTheBear said: Boo hoo, 70 people being senselessly murdered might cause more WACISM Keep those comments coming. Damn, one hell of a night in Paris, and Mal bitches me as a terrorist again. |
RPSB9Nov 13, 2015 4:17 PM
#CHEXIT |
Nov 13, 2015 4:14 PM
#194
black1blade said: What else do you have in mind?I knew this would turn into a fucking cancerous MAL convo about Islam. Islam is only one of the elements that have caused this current situation. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:16 PM
#195
HaXXspetten said: Clebardman said: wtffMore than 100 corpses in Bataclan alone according to AFP. It was a Deftones concert BTW. I'm not a fan of that band, but there are probably a few here. No informations about the band members. |
Prophetess of the Golden Era |
Nov 13, 2015 4:17 PM
#196
Nov 13, 2015 4:17 PM
#197
Altairius said: This is the big myth: that somehow those who support killing infidels and apostates are some fringe minority that are perverting the faith. The figures vary from country to country, but it's never a small %, even in non-theocracies, and those ideas come directly from the sacred texts. It's just that I feel that I can't really point fingers, since I belong to a Christian culture, and Cristians did kill and burn in the name of God a lot, and many of their victims were mislim. Yet Christianity did become meeker with time. Maybe Islam can do so too. Anyways cancelling it completely is much less realistic than reforming. But yeah, it is obvious that extremists are big in mumbers. Also sadly their propaganda is strong. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:17 PM
#198
"At least 100 dead in the Bataclan" Damn. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:18 PM
#199
It's just so insane to think about. A decade ago I thought how boring and stale the world was. Nowadays ridiculous things keep happening and I just accept it like it's part of my everyday life. Yet not long ago these situations were the ones I considered to be "world changing" and "exciting". It's strange how humans can grow to be indifferent towards anything if they keep experiencing it. At least 100 dead. At least. And the police just started counting. |
Nov 13, 2015 4:18 PM
#200
HaXXspetten said: Clebardman said: I heard they escaped safelyHaXXspetten said: Clebardman said: wtffMore than 100 corpses in Bataclan alone according to AFP. It was a Deftones concert BTW. I'm not a fan of that band, but there are probably a few here. No informations about the band members. I also heard this |
SWFC We're all Wednesday arent we? |
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