Hibike! Euphonium Episode 11 Discussion

htsuji said:
To whom dealing with the topic of Kyonai and what is/isn't yuri, I'm sorry to interrupt your discussion, but, you can see the title of this place: Hibike! Euphonium Episode 11 Discussion, so I have to say, please you should choose somewhere more suitable discussion room to deal with the matters than her.
This episode uses interest expression techniques to indirectly give the audience something interesting facts and emotions, but currently, the current atmosphere of the board make us feel reluctant to say something about this very episode... I have a feeling that the current state is not a good usage of this place.
At least, I don't care the name of the anime studio when I enjoy this episode and I don't think it can be an important factor to interpret this anime.

YoKamis said:
JWhy would the ribbon girl give so much f**ks ?

Lollo36 said:

What does MAL even know about the series before it even finishes airing? They can only base it on the source material. MAL tags aren't trustworthy anyways.

So, this is a fact, while the other 2 confessions are open to interpretation.

How many times does Kumiko have to say that she doesn't like him before she gets her point across? Is this a fact or is it open to interpretation?

Points 1 and 4 have nothing to do with the actual content of the show. Points 2 and 3 are facts only because they support your point, while the scenes that go against it are open to interpretation.

Do you already know what happens in the source material? It seems like it may be the most obvious source of all this confidence on your part.

Imeon said:


Coz, adaptations and sources are usually of the doesn't change during the adaptation. They can change some, but the genre is the same. Well, MAL tags aren't untrustworthy either.



*facepalm. You're questioning a legitimate confession..... and no doubts on something that can be interpreted in many ways.... please let's not make it appear that she loves both and is a bi and two timer....



Ask Hazuki... she knows it after she got rejected. And I saw hints that Kumiko is affected by that. Before and after the date.



Point 1 and 4 maybe but they can't always be wrong. You know the history of the studio, and tag aren't always wrong either.



Saa, but I seen many of this kind of bait and most of it them are truly bait.

Scarm said:
WARNING: My humble opinion is an analysis of the theme of this show and may contain spoilers.
Reina is in white dress during episode 8's festival. Remember that Kuniko makes a metaphorical comparison between Reina and a Yuki Onna; a beautiful demon that lures people away to their deaths? Embrace this thought.

...

The vulnerable pose was just a ruse; a lure for Kuniko. The declaration was so flippant as to be what lead me to this analysis.

Kuniko is left memorized by Reina. That was the look of someone hypnotized. All that's missing is a flake of drool at the corner of Kunio's lip.

...
[Edit: for spelling errors and word confusion]

Lollo36 said:

.. snip .. Reina seemed really flustered after talking to Yuuko in this episode, so I thought she was sincerely in doubt about the audition, .. snip ..
I happen to find Reina just as fascinating as Kumiko does, but I won't deny that she's not the most well-intentioned person ever.

jimjimex said:


Whoa, what darkness.

In your way of thinking, every romantic love relationship can also be seen as mutual manipulation. Heck, every human interaction / communication can be seen as manipulative.
.. snip ..

DarcyD said:



You are truly a negative person. Half of those "points" are just your opinion and one of them only exists if you negate the existence of Reina's confession to Kumiko in ep 8 and now the returning sentence in this ep now. So how does one count and the others don't? Because you say so? OK. Thanks for that. And yeah, we'll definitely ask Hazuki. That's how I'll know for sure. -eyeroll-

Imeon said:
Funny, yours are pure speculation.

Reina's confession in episode 10 is the only legitimate, clear, specific, not subtext, not speculative confession currently.

I'm not being negative, I'm just being realistic. I say, being way TOOOOOOOOO optimistic will not do you good.

Imeon said:


Coz, adaptations and sources are usually of the doesn't change during the adaptation. They can change some, but the genre is the same. Well, MAL tags aren't untrustworthy either.

The original novel's story follows of the Kitauji Music club, which used to always advance to national competitions. Ever since the adviser changed, though, it hasn't advanced past the Kansai tournament. However, thanks to the newly appointed adviser's strict instruction, the students are steadily improving. The club members' daily lives are full of ups and downs including fights over solos and the decision resign club activities to focus on studies.

Spring of 1st year in high school.
Kumiko Oumae, who used to be in wind ensemble during junior high, decides to check out the wind ensemble together with her classmates Hazuki Katou and Sapphire Kawashima.

There, Kumiko sees Reina Kousaka, who used to be a classmate. Hazuki and Sapphire seems to have made up their minds in joining the wind ensemble, but Kumiko can’t seem to make up her mind. She kept remembering what had happened between her and Reina back at the wind ensemble contest back in junior high.

Irreplaceable things that people find through their times with the wind ensemble – this is a story of adolescence as girls seriously go against one another.

LogiRogi said:
Man, all these cancerous posts liking special snowflake worst girl and yuri bait instead of being able to show human empathy.

Sasuga Kyoani fan base.

LogiRogi said:


Because I hate character flaws that makes me a "special snowflake"? Know your terms, dingus. Also who uses onomatopoeia as an insult besides a five year old? I'm clearly not the only one capable of having good taste as otherwise I wouldn't be so disappointed and disgusted by some of these posts.

Reina is a horribly obnoxious character who is willing to crush others' dreams without thinking of the consequences all because she legitimately thinks she is the best of the best. That's some Ayn Rand-tier egotism, right there. She deserves to get smacked back to reality where the rest of the world learns to coexist with one another rather than get the best through nepotism, talent, and soulless determination.

I know she's an edgy teenager and all, but honestly. She should definitely try and talk to others with differing opinions. Having only lackeys will not help her grow as a person.

LogiRogi said:

Because I hate character flaws that makes me a "special snowflake"? Know your terms, dingus. Also who uses onomatopoeia as an insult besides a five year old? I'm clearly not the only one capable of having good taste as otherwise I wouldn't be so disappointed and disgusted by some of these posts.

Reina is a horribly obnoxious character who is willing to crush others' dreams without thinking of the consequences all because she legitimately thinks she is the best of the best. That's some Ayn Rand-tier egotism, right there. She deserves to get smacked back to reality where the rest of the world learns to coexist with one another rather than get the best through nepotism, talent, and soulless determination.

I know she's an edgy teenager and all, but honestly. She should definitely try and talk to others with differing opinions. Having only lackeys will not help her grow as a person.

MelonMilk said:


I get where you're coming from, certainly, she left that kind of impression last episode but we do see her start to grow out of this mindset of hers. She realizes after talking to Yuuko and Kaori that her initial, derogatory impression of the two was wrong. She starts to sympathize with Kaori as well, which is why she talks to Kumiko before the audition.

@Lollo36
Not to start shit, but, he does actually acknowledge Reina's talent and effort, he's commenting on the morality of Reina's actions.

Scarm said:
WARNING: My humble opinion is an analysis of the theme of this show and may contain spoilers.
Apologies to those who already made some of these points, I'm too lazy to quote, call me a lazy scrub.

As I set up for more of my episode 11 impressions with a look at Kuniko. Back in the earliest episodes Kuniko wanted a new start. Started wearing a pony tail, sister knocked it, Kuniko pulls it out. She has no intention of joining a bad band. Gets pulled into it anyway. Decides she wants to try a different instrument, nope, gets roped into playing the euphonium again.

Kuniko is easily distracted, easy swayed. Kuniko has a terrible personality: she is easily manipulated.

Now to this episode, immediately before the trumpet audition, Kuniko and Reina meet in side hall for the infamous conversation. Reina asks Kuniko if Kuniko would be hurt if Reina loses. Might lose? No, Kuniko reminds Reia she is something special. Kuniko has bought into Reina's dream; apart and different from the others.

Then we see visual imagery. Reina is in white dress during episode 8's festival. Remember that Kuniko makes a metaphorical comparison between Reina and a Yuki Onna; a beautiful demon that lures people away to their deaths? Embrace this thought.

Kuniko tells Reina to be strong, while Reina strikes a demure pose. Renia looks sensitive, troubled, vulnerable, . . . . . alluring? (root word, to lure)

Reina will be villain if she wins. Kuniko declares to be a villain with her. Really, Kuniko? To the exemption of all others? Does Kuniko know what she's saying? When Renia presses Kuniko's commitment, Kuniko says, “probably”. Reina says Kuniko has a terrible personality. The lure leads directly to manipulation.

Reina steps up and press Kuniko on her commitment again. The rest is in the context of Reina alienating the band, and by association, alienating Kuniko's friends. Reina, places a hand on Kuniko's face, charmingly asks for commitment, and Kuniko agrees to the death. The Yuki Onna has lured and ensnared her victim.

The Yuki Onne kills the victim symbolically, and Reina may kill Kuniko's other friendships, literally. Completing the metaphor.

It appears Reina pranced away, turns declarers she had no intention of losing, and with that said, there was never even the remotest chance Reina would lose. The vulnerable pose was just a ruse; a lure for Kuniko. The declaration was so flippant as to be what lead me to this analysis.

Kuniko is left memorized by Reina. That was the look of someone hypnotized. All that's missing is a flake of drool at the corner of Kunio's lip.

I'm not saying Reina is a literal demon. I'm saying she is like a Yuki Onna, metaphorically. And she going to be a top tier anti-villain.

Reina is a solitary person. She avoids a large number of superficial friends for that one very close friend. ( Ep 8 19'30”) And, her dedication to trumpet skills, above all else, makes her unapproachable.

I like this forum. All the Reina lovers are telling everyone else to straighten up and play right. All us scrubs are say we play and write how we want. A small group is trying to keep the peace, some others clowning around, and still others don't give a shite.

*sigh* I'm back in band class. *tear*

[Edit: for spelling errors and word confusion]

currycurry said:
This is such a good show, and probably one of the few shows that reflect my own experiences of female friendships, but the yuri baiting is getting on my nerves.

The direction is deliberately sexually intensifying scenes, giving a different impression than what the "text" is saying, so to speak. You can declare love and loyalty for a friend and have it not be sexual, but srsly. Visual direction says lesbians.

Stop teasing, KyoAni; it's dishonest. Stop poisoning the wonderfylly genuine atmosphere we got going on here. Either one (or both) are bi/lesbian and falling in love or they're comrades in arms, sisters in all but name. Make up your freaking mind.

Scarm said:
I'm thinking, they'll be lucky to get gold, maybe silver. But, win tournament is highly unlikely.

Articulate feed back please.

shanimebib said:


Then you basically have an anime where no one bothered discussing the story even though it was quite fantastic from episode 2 onwards. Check the first couple of episodes. And then check the episodes after Kumiko and Reina had a first real conversation while returning from school. Half the fans here are for the yuri, be it a bait or not. Half the fans are here for the rest that includes: a genuine kyoani fan, a fan of music band, a fan of music in general, a fan of school drama or a those who watch 30 ongoing anime a season.

currycurry said:
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I'm confused about the purpose behind what you're trying to say. I just want the show to be honest. This wouldn't matter as much, character inconsistencies, in a less down-to-earth and more trope-y anime. But here, yuri-baiting actively works against the show's quality. Either the characters are lying to themselves or the people working behind the show are lying to us. The latter is what I'm seeing.

Whatever fans tend to talk about has little to do with that, you know? Other than dissatisfaction, I suppose.

jimjimex said:
You ask me how I know this? Well, I am the immature version of both Reina and Asuka.
Unlike Reina, I am not good enough in my job to be able to say "F**k y'all, I am this good. What you gonna do."
Unlike Asuka, I am not smooth and funny enough to maintain that boundary and dodge things like Asuka does.

Well I guess most of us ARE like this, right?

I have much, much to learn from this show.

currycurry said:
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I'm confused about the purpose behind what you're trying to say. I just want the show to be honest. This wouldn't matter as much, character inconsistencies, in a less down-to-earth and more trope-y anime. But here, yuri-baiting actively works against the show's quality. Either the characters are lying to themselves or the people working behind the show are lying to us. The latter is what I'm seeing.

Whatever fans tend to talk about has little to do with that, you know? Other than dissatisfaction, I suppose.

Lollo36 said:

Imho, the only part that's inconsistent with the rest is Reina's confession of love for her teacher, and we still know very little about this part.
It will only start getting stupid when Kyoani will eventually turn its back on all the unmistakably lesbian content it presented so far.

Lollo36 said:

Don't get me wrong, I wish for Hibike to end as perfectly as possible, whatever route it chooses to take, I'm being pessimistic because it will be less painful when the ship sinks.
If Kumiko just suddenly forgets about her scenes with Reina and they go with the Shuichi route this late in the game, though, it will take some incredible execution for me not to call bullshit on it.
Also, check the "Shoujo-ai or not" thread to see how many things they changed in this episode compared to the novel.

Regarding yuri and kyoani:

The only thing I can foresee now is a lot of fans anticipating a sequel to see more Reina and Kumiko moments only to be disappointed if KyoAni decides to adapt volumes 2 and beyond. If this becomes a success, expect a sequel and in the process expect to get disappointed if you are here for the yuri. If you are for the story, you'll love the sequels more because by that time, you will get to know more of the other characters, including Asuka-senpai, Taki-sensei and the current Mr. Nobody.

gnodab said:
'Mr. Nobody' realy? Talk about being salty.