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Makaze_no_Moujuu said: I don't think she cheated on him. In fact, I think that last flashback was a role reversal that showed that she was cheated on in a previous relationship; it mirrors the husband's flashback completely. She saw the emotional torment her husband was going thru and told him what he wanted hear: that he didn't kill his own child, even tho he clearly did by accident. If you remember the OVA, Decim already knows what occurred in the lives of the people in the bar; he already knew that the old man was a beastly pool player and would've won the game if everything went according to plan. Decim would only show shock if he was confronted with something that didn't fall in line with what he already knew. He knows that this was a good woman, and was shocked she suddenly starting acting as if some cruel woman. He not shocked/moved by acts of human nature/instinct, such as drastic measures to win/survive, or actions taken once under extreme emotional stress, but he is affected by acts that define a person's true character. Also, in Buddhism, life on earth is suppose to be the trial that judges whether a person goes to Heaven, or Hell, but here the husband got reincarnated (as what, we don't know), which implies he wasn't fit to be judged, and the wife went to the Void, which (following the shows Buddhist themes) is NOT the same place as Hell. Things are not as simple/face value as most seem to believe. For what i know, it is as you say, as well as on your other thread. He actually isn't a bad guy, but need to live more so they can actually jugde what of a human he is. Let me explain my thoughts. I dont know if any of you have ever experimented a situation where you are blamed for something you didn't do. You actually get pretty angry, or desperate, especially if the person blaming you is someone you love. She got really angry, she said all that just to piss the guy and to release her anger. She is lying, although she seems to have experimented being cheated on. When you watch the scene where they are on the bed, I think that resembles when she got cheated on. More over, she doesn't even look happy in that bed, i can't imagine her cheating like that. Now then, why the void. As it is said by Makaze_no_Moujuu, void is not the same as hell. Actually it is REALLY different. To be honest i dont think Buddhism has even hell. People isn't bad, they just need to live more and meditate. For what i know, no human goes directly to heaven, because they haven't dedicated their life to meditation nor reach a perfect mental state, so they go to void. So what is the Void? Void. Nothing, emptiness, the perfect place to meditate and to think all you have done. So summarizing, nor of them did bad. He misunderstood everything and acted impulsively, but that isn't bad at all is it? He just needed to live more peaceably. As for the woman, she loved her husband and didn't cheat on him, but got trully angry at him, was so pissed off, so she said that... But that isn't bad either is it? So she was sent to the void, to reflect what she did. The man actually tried to hit her so maybe that is the reason he was sent back to other life. Decim knows the past of the players, he seemed pretty puzzled when the woman said she had cheated on him, so that is another proof that she was lying. And the woman dryed her tears before she said all that, looked really sad. Buuuut, that are only my thoughts and i really can't fit the final masks in the elevators with what i just said... But that is what i understood. It's the first time i feel like doing this, so this is an anime im specting a lot of. Pretty good episode 8/10 |
HeavensCJan 9, 2015 11:28 PM
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| Holy crap. Boy this show is going to be one hell of a ride. Thats for sure... The mind games tho... they were real... Man that was intense... Shows how scary relationships and trust can be. So dangerous this game of life. Man... at least that doctor guy went to reincarnation. The women... such an ass... to the void. Bye bye. I felt sorry for both. I mean... none of them did 100% good things. The man risked to kill his own baby just because he thought his wife had an affair, but later she did. So i guess she was the one real b*tch here... Man this is so exciting and kept me on the edge of my chair the whole time! 5/5 probably one of the best animes this season!!! |
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| same, I don't think the wife actually cheated on the husband, but just said that to like "appease him", because even when she said it, decim seemed pretty shocked, and he's supposed to know everything about them so he shouldn't have been shocked. and also, after their fight she looked really sad, and didn't really have the "evil bitch" expression which you would have expected to see. it was really good though, loved it! |
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| wow fantastic episode , and good game |
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| Saw this trending on Twitter so I thought I would give it a shot. Great start to the show. The OP is pretty good. ED is not bad as well. This was quite intense. Playing a game of darts never seemed so intense until now. Dat reveal at the end. Looks promising and excited to see another episode next week. |
"I’ve set myself to become the King of the Pirates…and if I die trying…then at least I tried!" Monkey D. Luffy (One Piece) |
| Really solid, I didn't think they would be able to top the OVA using the same concept again, but they definitely at least got on par with it. Here's to hoping the future episodes stay as interesting. |
| Damn those animation and art looked really high budget, as well as giving me mind f-cks to see which side am I on between the husband and the wife. So freaking cool 1st episode, and how dark and atmosphere it is on the show. The OP gave me a laugh for some reason, but it's enjoyable as well as the ed. Can't wait to see what twisted games they will play in later episodes. |
| Oh my God, yes! Ah, crap, I'm so happy right now.... XD Great episode. I didn't expect that outcome, though. Eh...the OP is...I dunno, I expected something epic and grand. I can't take it seriously. I thought the ED was pretty good, NoisyCell did a good job. I cannot wait for the next episode. XD |
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| what if the subtitles were translated so wrong that it made us think that the wife could've or couldn't have cheated on his husband? well done funimation |
| Madhouse,best house. Why is sabers voice actor in a cheating role tho :< You guys see new characters with that voice actor,i only see saber. |
Taimanin_IreliaJan 9, 2015 11:54 PM
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| Why did the wife go to hell, I don't think she was lying, that outburst is way to overdramaticised to feel like its real, it feels more like she just cracked about his husband being too paranoid about her (maybe) affair. Did she had an affair, that would explain it. If not who is calling her? Also the nickname chick is way too coincedental, I don't believe that at all. Why did the husband snap at that momment anyway, so stupid. Hope this series doesn't get too repetitive. I loved this episode, but I don't want to see the same thing too much. I feel like if they didn't care, it'll just repeat the same introduction scene, same roulette scene, exact same plot progression basically, just with different contestants. Oh well it was like death billiards but with less focus on competitive gameplay for this episode. Not much dart action as I wanted. |
| My life is boring cause I'm boring If you're not at school what can you do, you stare at a screen of bright pixels |
| Loved the OP! It fits the anime so well! Also, loved the ED, but I'm a fan of Noisycell since the ED song they had in Barakamon! This anime started with a bang! It was so much better than I thought it was going to be, that couple was so fucked up! I can't wait to see what happens next week! |
| So glad that I'm not a huge manga reader, because the manga readers WHINE WAY TOO MUCH and have to RUIN every adapted anime for the ANIME ONLY WATCHERS! |
FrozenRemains said: Madhouse,best house. Why is sabers voice actor in a cheating role tho :< You guys see new characters with that voice actor,i only see saber. Foreshadowing ;D |
| My life is boring cause I'm boring If you're not at school what can you do, you stare at a screen of bright pixels |
| Really interesting so far. The ED was great too. |
| Machiko saw the pathetic image of the man she loved, so she remembered the first time she met him and the smile he gave her. She also remember her expecrience in the past, when she was cheated by someone she loved. All her puzzles of memory proves that she didn't cheat Takashi and truly loved him, no? And the suprised expression of Quendecim proves that he know Machiko was lying. I can't say certain that she lied because of angry or she didn't want her loved ones to being hurt and suffer anymore (because he killed his own family), but her tears, her pain, her love, those are all truth. I think "go to the void" is "rest in peace", it's not a punishment for Machiko. It's my opinion. |
kingsheep812 said: Holy crap. Boy this show is going to be one hell of a ride. Thats for sure... The mind games tho... they were real... Man that was intense... Shows how scary relationships and trust can be. So dangerous this game of life. Man... at least that doctor guy went to reincarnation. The women... such an ass... to the void. Bye bye. I felt sorry for both. I mean... none of them did 100% good things. The man risked to kill his own baby just because he thought his wife had an affair, but later she did. So i guess she was the one real b*tch here... Man this is so exciting and kept me on the edge of my chair the whole time! 5/5 probably one of the best animes this season!!! Too many hints imply she was a good wife, rather than a cheating bitch. |
HeavensC said: Pretty much in line with my thoughts, but even more elaboration on Buddhism and the void, which is really interesting. But yeah the only thing that idk how it would be explained is the masks. Honestly I've never really wanted to know more about noh masks because they look fucking scary, but after briefly looking through some, I have some things to share. The mask above Machiko's elevator does look seem like it mean that the void she is going into means a negative thing, it's red and it's angry and it has horns, which pretty much are universal characteristics of a demon, or something you would see in Hell. I think it most likely represents the Hannya mask (and can come in red too). The Hannya Mask The expression of this mask is a fusion of jealousy, grudge, sorrow, and grief of women. It has a demonic appearance with two horns, knitting her brows and stiffening her cheeks. As for the other mask...I think it's the Shakumi/Fukai??? Or could be close to a deigan which seems quite fitting for Takashi if you read the description. The Deigan mask is used for a woman who has submerged her jealousy, but who is beginning to change into an evil creature Though idk because then that might not fit for the character that went into reincarnation for the OVA, I can't remember it fully though.Anyways, it's just something else to think about I guess, I mean I doubt they used noh masks just because they look cool. Also, I agree that she didn't cheat on Takashi, that the scene which appeared right after Machiko's first line of confession was just a "what-if," an imaginary "past" that happened to go along with Machiko's lie. |
tingyJan 10, 2015 12:34 AM
phanh_lu said: Machiko saw the pathetic image of the man she loved, so she remembered the first time she met him and the smile he gave her. She also remember her expecrience in the past, when she was cheated by someone she loved. All her puzzles of memory proves that she didn't cheat Takashi and truly loved him, no? And the suprised expression of Quendecim proves that he know Machiko was lying. I can't say certain that she lied because of angry or she didn't want her loved ones to being hurt and suffer anymore (because he killed his own family), but her tears, her pain, her love, those are all truth. I think "go to the void" is "rest in peace", it's not a punishment for Machiko. It's my opinion. My thought exactly. Man, I knew this show was gonna be good but damn! |
| Really good first episode. The first 18 minutes I thought it was just going to be pretty good, then it took a really dark twist. IN MADHOUSE WE TRUST. |
| Never thought that the woman actually a bad chick. |
| THAT OP IS ORGASMIC |
| Good first episode. Really looking forward for this show every week. |
But it's important to remember that a movie review is subjective;it only gives you one person's opinion. http://www.classzone.com/books/lnetwork_gr08/page_build.cfm?content=analyz_media&ch=30 It doesn't matter if you like LoGH,Monster etc.If you are a jobless or college/school dropout living in your mom basement, you are still an unintelligent loser. Taste in anime does not make you a better person.If elitist don't exist, casual pleb and shit taste also don't exist. |
| I'm confused. They were told they could either go to Heaven or Hell. What's the Void? And didn't the woman win? So why did she get on the elevator that seemed to lead to Hell, and the guy got on the one that seemed to lead to Heaven? Does the winner of the game automatically go to Heaven, or is there a way to make the game outcome not count? I don't get it. Loved the episode though. |
brass2themax said: I'm confused. They were told they could either go to Heaven or Hell. What's the Void? And didn't the woman win? So why did she get on the elevator that seemed to lead to Hell, and the guy got on the one that seemed to lead to Heaven? Does the winner of the game automatically go to Heaven, or is there a way to make the game outcome not count? I don't get it. Loved the episode though. Read the thread holy shit |
Chizuki said: brass2themax said: I'm confused. They were told they could either go to Heaven or Hell. What's the Void? And didn't the woman win? So why did she get on the elevator that seemed to lead to Hell, and the guy got on the one that seemed to lead to Heaven? Does the winner of the game automatically go to Heaven, or is there a way to make the game outcome not count? I don't get it. Loved the episode though. I answered on the previous page but I'll say it again : They were told its heaven or hell but its actually not its '' The void or reincarnation'' The whole point of the game is to show one person's true colors and see which one to send for a second chance to live. And it no its not automatically because you win the game that you get a second chance to live. Go read previous page for the whole theory XD. In Buddhism, which this show is heavily influenced from, reincarnation is meant for those who've yet to meet the criteria to be judged to go to Heaven or Hell; so they must go thru the trial of life once again. Also, in Buddhism, the Void is different from both Heaven and Hell. Decim says Machiko went to the Void, which so far is ambiguous; there's several interpretations of the Void, but the shows has to given hints as to which one to go by. |
| DAMN!!!! Really Good!!!! it had me on the edge of my seat. I think what i got from the game is about trust / betrayal and Truth . I cant wait what else is going to bring. Definetly reached above my expectations ( which was pretty high from the pv and the synopsis ) |
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| The OP is so awesome, I can't stop watching it. |
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| Wow. That is something else. Hearing that someone will die is brutal... but after hearing the couple are both dead... I felt relieved as it isn't as dark as I thought if they were really alive during the game. Its interesting that they are like a casino purgatory. The opening matches its casino (games, cards, bar) theme... not so much about the soul judging. |
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| Good first episode, and I'm liking the plot so far. If you haven't seen the prequel, check out animegaki.com |
| i wanted to believe machiko was a good person, but SHE REALLY DID CHEAT. here's why: 1. the most damning evidence of all: http://i.imgur.com/MC4F5zr.jpg look at her silver ring on her left hand when she was in bed with another man. it's the same one that machiko & takashi were wearing when they both were playing that darts game. so that means the timing of this photo / flashback was DURING her marriage with takashi. If the photo was a previous marriage/relationship, wouldn't the rings be different? Do ppl who remarry wear the SAME RING FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE? I'm sure in different marriages, ppl would naturally have different rings. Keeping a previous ring just brings back bad memories. 2. takashi overhearing 2 girls in the bathroom talking about how machiko has been seeing another man during her engagement with takashi. Those 2 girls were telling the truth because they were jealous of what machiko has. 3. machiko constantly on the phone while around takashi (although it's just takashi's suspision). If machiko was honest & not cheating, she could've just easily gave him the phone to check out what's going on. If u have nothing to hide, then it should be easy to just show him whatever was in that phone. 4. machiko's confession. decim was only surprised at her when she finally decides to come clean and confess that she did have an affair, especially having seen how devastated he looked & she even flashbacked to when they first met & his smile. when she remembered that, she felt the guilt of betraying him 5. Machiko's guilty face at the end when she went to the right-side elevator with the demon mask. That's a regretful face of having cheated on takashi. -perhaps, in a show like this, we're made to think that there's a deeper meaning behind the character's actions just to feel cool or something when the evidence is just right in front of us the whole time. |
billybob300cJan 10, 2015 2:48 AM
| Whoa. Wow though, that was quite something! I was confused at first at the beginning since I decided to watch this on a whim without even looking at the summary. There were a lot of psychological aspects this episode that made this watch quite intense. I'm definitely glad I decided to start this series. Love the opening too! |
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billybob300c said: i wanted to believe machiko was a good person, but SHE REALLY DID CHEAT. here's why: 1. the most damning evidence of all: http://i.imgur.com/MC4F5zr.jpg look at her silver ring on her left hand when she was in bed with another man. it's the same one that machiko & takashi were wearing when they both were playing that darts game. so that means the timing of this photo / flashback was DURING her marriage with takashi. If the photo was a previous marriage/relationship, wouldn't the rings be different? Do ppl who remarry wear the SAME RING FROM A PREVIOUS MARRIAGE? I'm sure in different marriages, ppl would naturally have different rings. Keeping a previous ring just brings back bad memories. 2. takashi overhearing 2 girls in the bathroom talking about how machiko has been seeing another man during her engagement with takashi. Those 2 girls were telling the truth because they were jealous of what machiko has. 3. machiko constantly on the phone while around takashi (although it's just takashi's suspision). If machiko was honest & not cheating, she could've just easily gave him the phone to check out what's going on. If u have nothing to hide, then it should be easy to just show him whatever was in that phone. 4. machiko's confession. decim was only surprised at her when she finally decides to come clean and confess that she did have an affair, especially having seen how devastated he looked & she even flashbacked to when they first met & his smile. when she remembered that, she felt the guilt of betraying him 5. Machiko's guilty face at the end when she went to the right-side elevator with the demon mask. That's a regretful face of having cheated on takashi. -perhaps, in a show like this, we're made to think that there's a deeper meaning behind the character's actions just to feel cool or something when the evidence is just right in front of us the whole time. 1) The rings looking the same hardly means they're the same rings; rings such as those are very common, thus why people engrave them to differenciate. In fact, it enforces the possibility that she was in previous relationship where she was cheated, which makes a lot of sense seeing how her flashback is a role reversal of Takashi's flashback; they mirror each other almost exactly. 2) No in the credits it shows that the person they were talking about existed, and was at the wedding, like Machiko said. 3) First of all, Machiko wasn't shown to always be on her phone every second of everyday, it's just that due to his insecurity whenever he was around Machiko when she was on her phone he assumed she was talking with the "other man". Second, when Takashi tried to grab her phone, and crash happened, he never mentioned that he knew of her "affair" at all; his anger just boiled over and he randomly grabbed at it just to see who called her that she wouldn't answer at the time. She no reason to confess she wasn't cheating, because he never implied to his wife that he thought she was having an affair until they got to the end of the dart game. 4) Why would a man with prior knowledge of every dead person that enters the bar be surprised about info he already knew? If he already has knowledge of what kind of person they are, why would an evil, cheating bitch acting like an evil, cheat bitch shock him? It's because she put on an act to ease her husband's pain. He was shocked because she began acting like a completely different person. I mean it's obviously forced; just listen to her evil cackle. 5) The masks actually are not so simple, as @tingy here explains: tingy said: @HeavensC I responded to you about the masks but they're just random things I found or tried to piece together after half and hour of research. Pretty much in line with my thoughts, but even more elaboration on Buddhism and the void, which is really interesting. But yeah the only thing that idk how it would be explained is the masks. Honestly I've never really wanted to know more about noh masks because they look fucking scary, but after briefly looking through some, I have some things to share. The mask above Machiko's elevator does look seem like it mean that the void she is going into means a negative thing, it's red and it's angry and it has horns, which pretty much are universal characteristics of a demon, or something you would see in Hell. I think it most likely represents the Hannya mask (and can come in red too). The Hannya Mask As for the other mask...I think it's the Shakumi/Fukai??? Or could be close to a deigan which seems quite fitting for Takashi if you read the description. Though idk because then that might not fit for the character that went into reincarnation for the OVA, I can't remember it fully though. Anyways, it's just something else to think about I guess, I mean I doubt they used noh masks just because they look cool. Also, I agree that she didn't cheat on Takashi, that the scene which appeared right after Machiko's first line of confession was just a "what-if," an imaginary "past" that happened to go along with Machiko's lie. If you're interested, you can do some more research yourself or see if you have anything else to add since idk about anything I just wrote. That was not regret on her face, but sadness and acceptance of the fate she knows she purposely put herself in. Seriously, the show is categorized in the psychological genre, why would all the answers just be "right in front of us the whole time"? You don't even question the fact that she was sent to the Void, rather than the Hell that you associated with the "demon" mask (Void =/= Hell), nor do you realize that Reincarnation =/= Heaven. Let's not even get into the fact that Decim deliberately keeps everyone in the dark about all the specifics. This the type of anime where you're suppose to have fun looking at all the details, and references. No way is it as simple as it seems and that's a good thing! :D |
| Well everyone seems to have their own opinion about Machiko but fact is, she cheated on Takashi, there are screenshots of her lying in bed with another guy. I do think she loved him to some extent, otherwise she wouldn't look so depressed/guilty during the cheating scene or at the end in the elevator but that doesn't make her a "good person", she is a horrible woman whom cheated on her husband, who loved her, a lot and that won't change just because she feels guilty. About the whole "Matchy" story, I don't know what to think. The invitation at the end proves that the girl really did exist but that doesn't change the fact that Machiko at least cheated on Takahashi after they were married, it only makes me question if she did before they were. On the other hand, the Takashi's attitude towards her can be seen as kind of cold/indifferent after overhearing those 2 girls talking about "Matchy" which might justified, might be false, might be the reason she started/kept cheating on him, who knows. But that isn't an excuse, if she had a problem with his attitude she should've confronted him about it. Anyway I personally think Machiko went to hell/the void (in the negative sense of the word, not the "enlightened human state" version) and that Takahashi got another chance at happiness in the form of reincarnation. In the end, Machiko was a lying and cheating wife and Takashi's "worst" crime was being suspicious of his wife, justified or not before the wedding, he wasn't the "worst" person out of the 2 of them. |
| People need to realize that Machiko's memory of lying with a different man is clearly a role reversal, showing that she was in a prior relationship where she was cheated on. I mean it's almost an exact mirror image of Takashi's memory. Takashi was an insecure man, who acted irrationally; wanting to stab and beat a defenseless person because he was mad. Not to mention him trying to screw over his wife during the game, show vindictive and cruel he could be at the drop of a hat. None of Machiko's actions translated to her being a horrible person, unlike what we saw of Takashi, who's pride and rage didn't even allow him to feel regret over their deaths which was COMPLETELY his fault, or that he wanted to stab and beat his wife. That just screams potential abusive relationship. |
| machiko clearly cheated just look at her silver ring on her left hand when she was sleeping with another man: http://i.imgur.com/MC4F5zr.jpg she's wearing the same ring when takashi & herself were playing the darts game... the fact that she's wearing the same ring in this photo is proof that she's having an affair DURING her marriage. people normally have different rings if they remarry. why even wear a ring from a previous marriage? that just reminds one of a failed marriage. |
| that op.... so misleading but then everything went w0w... can't really wait for more |
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| I thought that they were both kidnapped and put in some sort of program to make them feel the pain but a "Judgement Bar/Casino" was surprising for me. Kinda expected both of them to snap in this situation. To me, it's about who's the lesser of 2 evils. Machiko could've been cheating, or so I'd like to think, but it was Takashi's paranoia which ultimately led to their deaths. I still wonder what would've happened if they both agreed on missing everything from the start and tied the game. |
| I mainly see the animes... so don't blame me for not knowing about the Manga/LN |
FrozenRemains said: Madhouse,best house. Why is sabers voice actor in a cheating role tho :< You guys see new characters with that voice actor,i only see saber. She sounded much more like Nodame to me XD But man, 12 episodes actually seem pretty perfect for an episodic series with 'death' (More like who's gonna get an afterlife and who's not) games. The first episode follows the concept pretty smoothly, it was definitely the show that gave me a huge positive first impression from this season, psychological w/ great setting and awesome as fuck OP and psychological aspect. We've seen nothing yet, this episode is just a mere introduction to the series. The fun stuff are yet to begin. :) Can't wait for more awesomeness! |
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| Amazing OP song, was so hyped after watching Death Billiards ages ago and even more hyped now. AOTS confirmed. Can't wait for the next episode. Love the tragic and psychological yet also philosophical aspect of the show. A fantastic start to a superb series~ Love the ED and ost too. Can definitely feel for the characters' turmoil and the voice acting was well done. |
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