Family pulls thier daughter out of school after she's told that her tomboyish ways don't adhere to Biblical values
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Mar 26, 2014 10:16 PM
#1
School Tells 8-Year-Old Student She’s Not Girly Enough time.com said: The family of an eight-year-old girl in Lynchburg, Va. has withdrawn her from a Christian school after administrators told her she wasn’t feminine enough. Sunnie Kahle enjoys what are traditionally considered “boy hobbies” as well as “girl hobbies”, reports CBS affiliate WDBJ. She collects coins, hunting knives and baseballs along with stuffed animals and colorful bracelets. “Sunnie realizes she’s a female, but she wants to do boy things,” Doris Thompson, Kahle’s great-grandmother and legal guardian told WDBJ. “She wants to play rough and tough.” Read more @ School Tells 8-Ye... facepalm. For the love of god, she's a child. |
Mar 26, 2014 10:20 PM
#2
I like tomboys, she'll be a cute girl |
Mar 26, 2014 10:21 PM
#3
It's a Christian school, so I suppose they have that right. If it were a public school, that's another matter entirely. I firmly believed that in the cancer friend case, it was completely uncalled for, but here, eeehhh, I don't know if we can really call them out for it. But Christian schools suck anyways, and this is coming from someone who only went to a Christian school. Everything they teach is bullshit and is degrading to women anyways. This is a good chance as any to put her into a public school. |
Mar 26, 2014 10:21 PM
#4
This is too far, but I know where this is going: The media will cry about this piece of news, and then she'll be back in just because the oh so almighty media cried about it. Let's see if being tomboyish is something not excusable in that school's rules. |
Mar 27, 2014 1:08 AM
#5
guess they better ban the bible at school. it's the only way. this thread's gonna be hilarious because i feel a lot of hypocrisy in part of previous threads incoming, for example: LadyRenly said: lolIt's a Christian school, so I suppose they have that right. |
Mar 27, 2014 2:38 AM
#6
>putting your kid into a Christian School >expecting anything else |
Mar 27, 2014 2:42 AM
#7
Vudis said: >putting your kid into a Christian School >expecting anything else Pretty much this. |
Mar 27, 2014 6:08 AM
#8
Vudis said: >putting your kid into a Christian School >expecting anything else Still better than public school. |
Mar 27, 2014 6:17 AM
#9
Religions, lol. |
Mar 27, 2014 6:18 AM
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Mar 27, 2014 6:29 AM
#11
Seriously why does that school give a shit. |
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Mar 27, 2014 6:35 AM
#12
Heredity said: guess they better ban the bible at school. it's the only way. this thread's gonna be hilarious because i feel a lot of hypocrisy in part of previous threads incoming, for example: LadyRenly said: lolIt's a Christian school, so I suppose they have that right. Indeed. The same guys who were yelling "GENDER ROLES DON'T EXIST WE'RE NOT IN THE 1950s!" are now saying that its the Christian school's right to put gender roles. I know of something: either gender roles are purely wrong, or are purely right. Not "hey! gender roles are outdated, but when they're in a Christian school, they're ok!" Since I'm one to support the ideas of gender roles cause I don't want to live in a future where men become the ponies themselves meant for the girls, I simply want you to show some consistency with the matter of the subject. Its either fully OK, or wrong. No middle lines. Now we just need a lil' waiting and we'll find this school like the two before it, swallowing back whatever they said to the girl just to tap that crying baby known as the media and stop it from crying.. Soon we'll find parents complaining about trivial things in schools to the media, such as how their 10th grade grown up is going to school with a Teletubbies bag and how it got banned, then the media will just cry all day and night until the school lets him get back inside with the Teletubbies bag. Soon we'll find similar stories. Soon the media is going to become a phobia for schools banning things, eventually the schools will be stripped from their utmost freedom that is having the rules put on. In short, expect more schools to follow the examples of the MLP bag school and the cancer hair school, and this Christian school might be no different. Curse the media. |
Mar 27, 2014 6:38 AM
#13
What is the biblical lifestyle anyway ? |
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Mar 27, 2014 7:22 AM
#14
Lord_Pooka said: Heredity said: guess they better ban the bible at school. it's the only way. this thread's gonna be hilarious because i feel a lot of hypocrisy in part of previous threads incoming, for example: LadyRenly said: lolIt's a Christian school, so I suppose they have that right. Indeed. The same guys who were yelling "GENDER ROLES DON'T EXIST WE'RE NOT IN THE 1950s!" are now saying that its the Christian school's right to put gender roles. I know of something: either gender roles are purely wrong, or are purely right. Not "hey! gender roles are outdated, but when they're in a Christian school, they're ok!" Since I'm one to support the ideas of gender roles cause I don't want to live in a future where men become the ponies themselves meant for the girls, I simply want you to show some consistency with the matter of the subject. Its either fully OK, or wrong. No middle lines. Now we just need a lil' waiting and we'll find this school like the two before it, swallowing back whatever they said to the girl just to tap that crying baby known as the media and stop it from crying.. Soon we'll find parents complaining about trivial things in schools to the media, such as how their 10th grade grown up is going to school with a Teletubbies bag and how it got banned, then the media will just cry all day and night until the school lets him get back inside with the Teletubbies bag. Soon we'll find similar stories. Soon the media is going to become a phobia for schools banning things, eventually the schools will be stripped from their utmost freedom that is having the rules put on. In short, expect more schools to follow the examples of the MLP bag school and the cancer hair school, and this Christian school might be no different. Curse the media. What are you even going on about? Last thread you were going all Stannis with your "rules are rules" stance. Fact is, Christian schools can be as shitty as they want because they aren't public run. They can get away with basically anything to "reflect their ideals". But they're going on the decline for good reason. It's a shitty place to put a kid. JonyJC said: Vudis said: >putting your kid into a Christian School >expecting anything else Still better than public school. No, it's not better than a public school. At Christian school, we were taught that evolution contradicts the second law of thermodynamics, therefore evolution isn't true. We were also taught that girls who engaged in sexual activity before marriage are damaged goods. Yeah, that's what kids need to learn, right? That they're just soiled rags? I gobbled up everything they taught me because I thought educators could be trusted and at least be fair. I guess I asked too much. |
Mar 27, 2014 7:29 AM
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LadyRenly said: the girl who shaved her head for her friend suffering from cancer also went to a private school, iirc. it wasn't public run either but it everyone still kicked up a shit. utter hypocrisy.Fact is, Christian schools can be as shitty as they want because they aren't public run. They can get away with basically anything to "reflect their ideals". But they're going on the decline for good reason. It's a shitty place to put a kid. |
Mar 27, 2014 7:32 AM
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I went to three different Christian schools in my youth, 2 Catholic and 1 Lutheran, and they were FAR better than the public schools I've attended. Though the Lutheran one was funny in that they were still teaching Young Earth Creationism. But they were really cool about me openly arguing against it and they never tried to shut me up. The teachers were always really respectful about it. And they did teach the fundamentals of evolution, they just said it was wrong. So, at the end of the day, I think Christian schools (especially Catholic ones) are a boon to society, and the benefits almost always far outweigh any negatives. As for this story, IF there is nothing more to the story, then obviously the school is in the wrong. |
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Mar 27, 2014 9:00 AM
#17
LadyRenly said: At Christian school, we were taught See that's better already, you aren't taught in public schools. |
Mar 27, 2014 11:27 AM
#18
LadyRenly said: What are you even going on about? Last thread you were going all Stannis with your "rules are rules" stance. Indeed, but there's nothing that tells if being tomboyish is a punishable thing according to this school's laws, so I can't really speak for them this time. However I still suspect they are going down the drain like the two predecessors; they would swallow everything they said back and act like nothing happened, just to shut that media up. (and who's Stannis?) |
Mar 27, 2014 12:02 PM
#19
I guess -- let's make a school issue general thread... >.> Anyways, time to sift through the Bible about female dress code and conduct. Off the top of my head, I have a feeling that they're citing the book of Ruth. “Sunnie realizes she’s a female, but she wants to do boy things,” Doris Thompson, Kahle’s great-grandmother and legal guardian told WDBJ. “She wants to play rough and tough.” And you know what? There are TONS of female athletes who think this way - and a bunch of 'em go on to do great things... oh... like the Women's National Soccer Team, Olympians, and the like. |
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Mar 27, 2014 12:10 PM
#20
LadyRenly said: No, it's not better than a public school. At Christian school, we were taught that evolution contradicts the second law of thermodynamics, therefore evolution isn't true. We were also taught that girls who engaged in sexual activity before marriage are damaged goods. Yeah, that's what kids need to learn, right? That they're just soiled rags? I gobbled up everything they taught me because I thought educators could be trusted and at least be fair. I guess I asked too much. I don't know what the situation in North America is like but my own experience with Christian schools is that the curriculum correlates with state standards. I think this is a condition private schools need to meet to get accredited in the first place, not least because exit examinations are standardised. I couldn't choose between religious education and ethics as a subject, and religious education was compulsory until graduation (something I ended up not minding as we did some interesting stuff like historical criticism of the Bible) but otherwise I was taught the same things I would have been taught elsewhere. Religious education was religious education, and biology was biology. So I'd say it depends on the school. As for dress code, I believe there was some kind of rule about not wearing anything too revealing (which wasn't actively enforced). So I find all of this a little perplexing. |
Mar 28, 2014 6:43 AM
#21
The problem is that you have these Christian schools being way too focused on teaching rituals and routines rather than life skills. The Bible does say that the women are the weaker vessel, but it doesn't say that women are useless, which is basically what I'm understanding that these schools are telling these girls. They force usually incorrect interpretations of womanhood down these girls throat, and it makes it impossible to ever like Christian schools. Good on the parents for not allowing their kid to be ridiculed instead of being accepted. As a Christian myself, I'm thoroughly disgusted by how some these "Christian" schools act. And besides, I'd love a tomboy girlfriend. It'd mean she'd understand me more, rather than some airy, bubble-headed girly girlfriend. |
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Mar 28, 2014 8:08 AM
#22
Wtf. Screw the bible. I'm pretty sure God would allow people to be themselves. I mean, there practically is no meaning to life anyways That girl should be allowed to be tough and edgy. |
Mar 28, 2014 8:16 AM
#23
I hate Christian schools, honestly. JizzyHitler said: Seriously why does that school give a shit. |
Mar 28, 2014 8:17 AM
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why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? |
Mar 28, 2014 8:22 AM
#25
cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions often founded by like minded people. Besides America isn't "supposed" to be secular. I have not idea where that myth originated. Unless you are saying that we are not a theocracy, in which you would be correct. So BeyondNero, why are all of your threads the same template ("women gets unfavorable action x")? |
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Mar 28, 2014 8:33 AM
#26
NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions I guess its fine then. Some more regulations wouldnt be bad though. Like: Dont teach garbage like gender-roles or creationism.. |
Mar 28, 2014 8:37 AM
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cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions I guess its fine then. Some more regulations wouldnt be bad though. Like: Dont teach garbage like gender-roles or creationism.. So you want to impose your beliefs on someone. . . because you don't like the beliefs that they are imposing? Hypocritical, no? And before someone responds to my earlier post, yes I realize that there is often some form of public money in private schools be it tax breaks or what not. I just stated how these Christian Schools, or any private institution, was conceived to be funded. |
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Mar 28, 2014 8:39 AM
#28
NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions I guess its fine then. Some more regulations wouldnt be bad though. Like: Dont teach garbage like gender-roles or creationism.. So you want to impose your beliefs on someone. . . what? |
Mar 28, 2014 8:49 AM
#29
cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions I guess its fine then. Some more regulations wouldnt be bad though. Like: Dont teach garbage like gender-roles or creationism.. So you want to impose your beliefs on someone. . . what? Those are your beliefs, correct? And you want the Christian schools from being allowed to practice these activities, right? So you want to impose your beliefs onto someone else. |
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Mar 28, 2014 8:54 AM
#30
NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions I guess its fine then. Some more regulations wouldnt be bad though. Like: Dont teach garbage like gender-roles or creationism.. So you want to impose your beliefs on someone. . . what? Those are your beliefs, correct? And you want the Christian schools from being allowed to practice these activities, right? So you want to impose your beliefs onto someone else. Teaching general gender roles as default positions that should be accepted by everyone (like: girls should be X, boys should be Y, girls should do X, boys should do Y) is garbage because it ignores the individuality of human beings. Creationism is garbage because of multiple reasons. I dont believe that gender roles (how I explained them) and creationism are garbage. This is not a question of belief. Therefore this has nothing to do with pushing my "belief" on others. |
Mar 28, 2014 8:56 AM
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hunting knives what the fuck? |
Mar 28, 2014 8:56 AM
#32
cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions I guess its fine then. Some more regulations wouldnt be bad though. Like: Dont teach garbage like gender-roles or creationism.. So you want to impose your beliefs on someone. . . what? Those are your beliefs, correct? And you want the Christian schools from being allowed to practice these activities, right? So you want to impose your beliefs onto someone else. Teaching general gender roles as default positions that should be accepted by everyone (like: girls should be X, boys should be Y, girls should do X, boys should do Y) is garbage because it ignores the individuality of human beings. Creationism is garbage because of multiple reasons. I dont believe that gender roles (how I explained them) and creationism are garbage. This is not a question of belief. Therefore this has nothing to do with pushing my "belief" on others. But do you hold the opinion that regulations should be in place to prevent private institutions from teaching either one, or other highly controversial, beliefs? |
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Mar 28, 2014 8:57 AM
#33
NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: why would christian schools even exist. Isnt america supposed to be secular? Christian schools are private institutions I guess its fine then. Some more regulations wouldnt be bad though. Like: Dont teach garbage like gender-roles or creationism.. So you want to impose your beliefs on someone. . . what? Those are your beliefs, correct? And you want the Christian schools from being allowed to practice these activities, right? So you want to impose your beliefs onto someone else. Teaching general gender roles as default positions that should be accepted by everyone (like: girls should be X, boys should be Y, girls should do X, boys should do Y) is garbage because it ignores the individuality of human beings. Creationism is garbage because of multiple reasons. I dont believe that gender roles (how I explained them) and creationism are garbage. This is not a question of belief. Therefore this has nothing to do with pushing my "belief" on others. But do you hold the opinion that regulations should be in place to prevent private institutions from teaching either one, or other highly controversial, beliefs? depends on the belief I guess. Make an example pls. |
Mar 28, 2014 9:03 AM
#34
cabacc2 said: depends on the belief I guess. Make an example pls. For sake of continuity, the two that we have been discussing. |
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Mar 28, 2014 9:10 AM
#35
NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: depends on the belief I guess. Make an example pls. For sake of continuity, the two that we have been discussing. ok: 1. gender roles are not a "belief" but rather a social construct, often used for opression. I dont see a problem with gender roles if they are accepted by both, the man and the women, but they should not be teached to children as "how they should behave as a women", because this ignores the individuality of human beings. Or to make it more clear: It reduces their mind on their penis/vagina, which is not a cool thing to do. -> should definatly be regulated 2. creationism is a belief, an objectivily wrong belief. Therefore it should not be thought in school, at least not as "scientific fact", how it is often done. -> should definatly be regulated |
Mar 28, 2014 9:14 AM
#36
cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: depends on the belief I guess. Make an example pls. For sake of continuity, the two that we have been discussing. ok: 1. gender roles are not a "belief" but rather a social construct, often used for opression. I dont see a problem with gender roles if they are accepted by both, the man and the women, but they should not be teached to children as "how they should behave as a women", because this ignores the individuality of human beings. Or to make it more clear: It reduces their mind on their penis/vagina, which is not a cool thing to do. -> should definatly be regulated 2. creationism is a belief, an objectivily wrong belief. Therefore it should not be thought in school, at least not as "scientific fact", how it is often done. -> should definatly be regulated So you would impose your beliefs onto others then? |
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Mar 28, 2014 9:19 AM
#37
NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: NickyCharisma said: cabacc2 said: depends on the belief I guess. Make an example pls. For sake of continuity, the two that we have been discussing. ok: 1. gender roles are not a "belief" but rather a social construct, often used for opression. I dont see a problem with gender roles if they are accepted by both, the man and the women, but they should not be teached to children as "how they should behave as a women", because this ignores the individuality of human beings. Or to make it more clear: It reduces their mind on their penis/vagina, which is not a cool thing to do. -> should definatly be regulated 2. creationism is a belief, an objectivily wrong belief. Therefore it should not be thought in school, at least not as "scientific fact", how it is often done. -> should definatly be regulated So you would impose your beliefs onto others then? what belief? school should teach children how our world works, and should educate them to a point where they are responsible, mature, self-confident, empathic etc. human beings. Thats my premise, the rest is logical deduction. There is no "belief" here... or what do you mean? |
Mar 28, 2014 9:22 AM
#38
What do I mean? I'm not sure anymore (sincerely). I think it was something about "beliefs" and whether or not they should be enforced on others or the hypocrisy of forcing someone to hold a belief because you don't like the belief that they hold. . . or something like that. Anyways, I have enjoyed this conversation. |
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Mar 28, 2014 9:24 AM
#39
Tomboys <3 So much for the "don't judge the others" and "give everyone a chance" motos... |
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Mar 28, 2014 2:22 PM
#40
Retarded stuff like this is why I hate religion, how the hell does been a tomboy go against bible? |
Mar 28, 2014 2:32 PM
#41
I'm sure they did it for her own good, to stop her been bullied by the other religious kids. She should know when to act tomboyish and when to hide her true self and just go with the general consensus about how a girl should act in public places. *Wink wink, reference to those people back in that other thread* |
Mar 28, 2014 2:32 PM
#42
Yes, it's frustrating when morons are in charge decision-making. |
Mar 28, 2014 2:51 PM
#43
Mar 28, 2014 3:01 PM
#44
It's retarded fucknuts like these that keep me from telling the majority of people what my religion is. I don't like being associated with these kind of people. Kibura_Iburasa said: lolI'm sure they did it for her own good, to stop her been bullied by the other religious kids. She should know when to act tomboyish and when to hide her true self and just go with the general consensus about how a girl should act in public places. *Wink wink, reference to those people back in that other thread* |
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Mar 28, 2014 4:24 PM
#45
NickyCharisma said: So BeyondNero, why are all of your threads the same template ("women gets unfavorable action x")? Because everyone needs to know and understand that women are treated like objects, it's not fair and it's shameful. The world is unjust, i can't imagine being a woman, not that there is anything wrong with it, but because it's impossible to live a normal life for a women, especially where i live. |
Mar 28, 2014 4:29 PM
#46
School is clearly wrong here. If there's nothing specified in the rules about what is considered 'proper' behavior for a girl or a boy then they have no right to tell her to stop acting the way she does. Besides that, this biblical lifestyle (whatever the hell that means) bs has clearly nothing to do with her being a tomboy. Biblical values are spiritual/religious ones, not a freaking gender roles manual. If you wanna live 'biblical style' let her marry her older blood cousin or any man at least twice her age and get her pregnant as soon as she has her first period. |
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Mar 28, 2014 4:43 PM
#47
BeyondNero said: NickyCharisma said: So BeyondNero, why are all of your threads the same template ("women gets unfavorable action x")? Because everyone needs to know and understand that women are treated like objects, it's not fair and it's shameful. The world is unjust, i can't imagine being a woman, not that there is anything wrong with it, but because it's impossible to live a normal life for a women, especially where i live. lol and yet you have a woman sprawled out naked as a profile picture GG Mister White Knight GG. |
Mar 28, 2014 5:11 PM
#48
I went to a christian school my whole life and never was I presented with bullshit like creationism or gender roles. I learned about evolution without ever hearing it is false or devil's trick and the likes. I guess this is more about your teachers, not the school lol |
Mar 28, 2014 5:30 PM
#49
Kibura_Iburasa said: lol, false equivalency.I'm sure they did it for her own good, to stop her been bullied by the other religious kids. She should know when to act tomboyish and when to hide her true self and just go with the general consensus about how a girl should act in public places. *Wink wink, reference to those people back in that other thread* |
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