| We had a pretty long discussion about this in English class. We got a packet full of common fallacies people use and were told to avoid them. I was pretty surprised when I read some of them, because I use them, and I hear people around me using them a lot. Do you sometimes use these while arguing? Which type of fallacy do you see most in life and mal? Definition of Fallacy: Fallacies are common errors in reasoning that will undermine the logic of your argument. Fallacies can be either illegitimate arguments or irrelevant points, and are often identified because they lack evidence that supports their claim. Examples of common fallacies: (1) Slippery Slope: (2) Generalization: (3) Post hoc ergo propter hoc: (4) Genetic Fallacy: (5) Begging the Claim: (6) Circular Argument: (7) Either/or: (8) Ad hominem (9) Ad populum: (10) Red Herring: (11) Straw Man: (12) Moral Equivalence: |
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| 'that's just your opinion' is the most intelligent thing to say in an argument |
| I finish class to come to find information I would learn in English class.... ew. Anyways, I see all types of fallacy, but I think ad hominem is the post popular on MAL/IRL |
| Generalization, ad hominem, and straw man are the most common fallacies I notice on MAL but you can find just about any of those here. The only one that I notice I use is circular argument. |
| I don't use them because I'm aware how atrocious they are as arguments. |
FreshPrinceofMAL said: The only one that I notice I use is circular argument. I use this a ton too, mostly because an actual explanation would require effort |
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Cupquake said: FreshPrinceofMAL said: The only one that I notice I use is circular argument. I use this a ton too, mostly because an actual explanation would require effort Laziness trumps trying to win pointless arguments on the internet. |
| Of course, it's difficult to avoid all of them in a real conversation. |
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| I use a phallus when ever i can. |
| Hell yeah I do, pisses off people! On a real note, it really is hard to avoid every single one unless you were preparing for an actual debate. So, to avoid them in conversation or here, on a forum, is almost impossible and people will point it out. |
| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svpejQ1I7Z0 ^^^This is all of you people t(^-^t) |
| Generalization can be inevitable in most situations since it's such a convenient way to argument. Ad hominem is always hilarious. |
| yes because i am part idiot :3 |
| anime with cute girls is my thing. |
| I generalize most times when I just plain to do some random argument... When it comes about anime, it's more because I want to live my expectations. |
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| Possibly, I've never taken the time to remember all of them. I don't get called out on any though so I win. |
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| I prefer not to argue |
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| Slippery Slope - pot is a gateway drug. lol. Ad hominem - pretty accurate imo whats with 2 nazi refs? |
| No, I'm a rational human being, I can't help it. |
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| Yeah, I guess I used all those at one point. |
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daintybiscuit said: Slippery Slope - pot is a gateway drug. lol. Ad hominem - pretty accurate imo whats with 2 nazi refs? Because http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Also it's kinda funny because they sound ridiculous |
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Cupquake said: daintybiscuit said: Slippery Slope - pot is a gateway drug. lol. Ad hominem - pretty accurate imo whats with 2 nazi refs? Because http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law Also it's kinda funny because they sound ridiculous Ha!! love it! |
JD2411 said: that's because you fail at trolling and don't have anything to back your insults or claims.'that's just your opinion' is the most intelligent thing to say in an argument |
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| Yeah, I think that everyone's used several of those at some point in an argument, intentionally or unintentionally. Most people probably don't even realize that what they say are fallacies. Interesting list, and those are just the "common" ones. I chuckled at Ad hominem, boy have I been guilty of throwing those around. |
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| Considering the personalities of the majority of the people I argue with and the reasons why I was arguing with them, I tend to use AD hominems A LOT. Im sure a lot of you guys have seen me use them here in fact. However when Im taking an argument seriously, I won't tend to use any of these |
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| Well... I try not to. Many times when I'm arguing, I use analogies. Lots of people seem to think analogy = changing subject. And that is annoying. |
| Shoot first, think never. |
Open-Dice said: Many times when I'm arguing, I use analogies. Lots of people seem to think analogy = changing subject. And that is annoying. It could be red herring, depending on how you phrase it |
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| I mainly use Ad hominem when I argue with people where I live (I live in the Bible Belt). I only know of myself and 4 people that are Atheists. Those 4 people are 1 family. Basically, I'm a man of logic in a sea of indoctrinated people that can't counter my arguments. |
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| But of course. And I find it incredibly hard for not to use them. Most of the themes I discuss in MAL are philosophic themes, so there is no way to avoid fallacies. Pretty much there is no way evidence can support my thoughts because my thoughts are my thoughts (no shit), and if I were to make a statement without any fallacies, it would be so perfect that no one would even have chance to argue against it. Because it would be simply a possibility. There is no fun with that, so I usually intentionally put some flaws in my arguments/posts so that I can have some fun with the debate, and fallacies are very essential with that kind of thing. Of course, there are always some people that hate fun and simply quote my statement saying "lol nice Post hoc ergo propter hoc". Screw them! The fallacy I mostly use is the one I forgot the name, but it is basically: To prove your own argument, you attack the other person's argument to give the illusion that your argument is correct. This works pretty well most of the time, until some dick decides to attack my own argument while ignoring all my attacks (the weakness of that fallacy) I just noticed I love debating more than I thought I loved to |
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| Ooh, I was actually looking for a list of fallacies the other day but there were so many listed on wikipedia. So thanks for this! |
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| Everything is a fallacy. |
monster7foot6 said: I live in the bible belt too and yes I concur that the majority of those people are blind and retarded as fuck, and Im a Christian too. It's embarrassing.I mainly use Ad hominem when I argue with people where I live (I live in the Bible Belt). I only know of myself and 4 people that are Atheists. Those 4 people are 1 family. Basically, I'm a man of logic in a sea of indoctrinated people that can't counter my arguments. I can't remember the last time I argued with anyone IRL without insulting their intelligence to a degree. |
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| Good thread. We never went in depth on arguments in any English class I took. Though I've always heard the phrase "begging the question" instead of "begging the claim". Though "begs the question" gets abused all the time (so I can see why people would prefer claim). Even L from Death Note misused "begs the question" in the English Dub. |
Korrvo said: monster7foot6 said: I live in the bible belt too and yes I concur that the majority of those people are blind and retarded as fuck, and Im a Christian too. It's embarrassing.I mainly use Ad hominem when I argue with people where I live (I live in the Bible Belt). I only know of myself and 4 people that are Atheists. Those 4 people are 1 family. Basically, I'm a man of logic in a sea of indoctrinated people that can't counter my arguments. I can't remember the last time I argued with anyone IRL without insulting their intelligence to a degree. It's good to hear that someone else knows what I'm referring to, especially a Christian. |
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lupadim said: But of course. And I find it incredibly hard for not to use them. Most of the themes I discuss in MAL are philosophic themes, so there is no way to avoid fallacies. Pretty much there is no way evidence can support my thoughts because my thoughts are my thoughts (no shit), and if I were to make a statement without any fallacies, it would be so perfect that no one would even have chance to argue against it. Because it would be simply a possibility. There is no fun with that, so I usually intentionally put some flaws in my arguments/posts so that I can have some fun with the debate, and fallacies are very essential with that kind of thing. Of course, there are always some people that hate fun and simply quote my statement saying "lol nice Post hoc ergo propter hoc". Screw them! The fallacy I mostly use is the one I forgot the name, but it is basically: To prove your own argument, you attack the other person's argument to give the illusion that your argument is correct. This works pretty well most of the time, until some dick decides to attack my own argument while ignoring all my attacks (the weakness of that fallacy) I just noticed I love debating more than I thought I loved to BREAKING NEWS: Lupadim finally admits his arguments are shit and he knows it. |
kingcity20 said: Oh for the love of -_- nvm gotta love MAL |
lupadim said: so you just confirmed the fact that all your arguments on MAL can't be supported by facts and are indeed your own opinions and subjective ideas, finally.But of course. And I find it incredibly hard for not to use them. Most of the themes I discuss in MAL are philosophic themes, so there is no way to avoid fallacies. Pretty much there is no way evidence can support my thoughts because my thoughts are my thoughts (no shit), and if I were to make a statement without any fallacies, it would be so perfect that no one would even have chance to argue against it. Because it would be simply a possibility. There is no fun with that, so I usually intentionally put some flaws in my arguments/posts so that I can have some fun with the debate, and fallacies are very essential with that kind of thing. Of course, there are always some people that hate fun and simply quote my statement saying "lol nice Post hoc ergo propter hoc". Screw them! The fallacy I mostly use is the one I forgot the name, but it is basically: To prove your own argument, you attack the other person's argument to give the illusion that your argument is correct. This works pretty well most of the time, until some dick decides to attack my own argument while ignoring all my attacks (the weakness of that fallacy) I just noticed I love debating more than I thought I loved to |
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| All the time. They're hard to avoid, and if they're not spotted, work well for arguing. Sourire said: Lupadim Troll of 2014 confirmed.lupadim said: so you just confirmed the fact that all your arguments on MAL can't be supported by facts and are indeed your own opinions and subjective ideas, finally.But of course. And I find it incredibly hard for not to use them. Most of the themes I discuss in MAL are philosophic themes, so there is no way to avoid fallacies. Pretty much there is no way evidence can support my thoughts because my thoughts are my thoughts (no shit), and if I were to make a statement without any fallacies, it would be so perfect that no one would even have chance to argue against it. Because it would be simply a possibility. There is no fun with that, so I usually intentionally put some flaws in my arguments/posts so that I can have some fun with the debate, and fallacies are very essential with that kind of thing. Of course, there are always some people that hate fun and simply quote my statement saying "lol nice Post hoc ergo propter hoc". Screw them! The fallacy I mostly use is the one I forgot the name, but it is basically: To prove your own argument, you attack the other person's argument to give the illusion that your argument is correct. This works pretty well most of the time, until some dick decides to attack my own argument while ignoring all my attacks (the weakness of that fallacy) I just noticed I love debating more than I thought I loved to |
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Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
MellowJello said: I disagree. It's like when a person has said stupid shit and he is flustered that he can't get anyone else to agree, he plays it in his mind that he did it "intentionally" to throw other people off, rather than the truth: his ideas are retarded.All the time. They're hard to avoid, and if they're not spotted, work well for arguing. Sourire said: Lupadim Troll of 2014 confirmed.lupadim said: so you just confirmed the fact that all your arguments on MAL can't be supported by facts and are indeed your own opinions and subjective ideas, finally.But of course. And I find it incredibly hard for not to use them. Most of the themes I discuss in MAL are philosophic themes, so there is no way to avoid fallacies. Pretty much there is no way evidence can support my thoughts because my thoughts are my thoughts (no shit), and if I were to make a statement without any fallacies, it would be so perfect that no one would even have chance to argue against it. Because it would be simply a possibility. There is no fun with that, so I usually intentionally put some flaws in my arguments/posts so that I can have some fun with the debate, and fallacies are very essential with that kind of thing. Of course, there are always some people that hate fun and simply quote my statement saying "lol nice Post hoc ergo propter hoc". Screw them! The fallacy I mostly use is the one I forgot the name, but it is basically: To prove your own argument, you attack the other person's argument to give the illusion that your argument is correct. This works pretty well most of the time, until some dick decides to attack my own argument while ignoring all my attacks (the weakness of that fallacy) I just noticed I love debating more than I thought I loved to If lupadim is a troll for this, then do you believe Autocrat is also a troll? He was also known for going off the rails, before coming back and saying he did it on purpose to expose people's biased (*ahem* Daconator) assumptions. |
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Sourire said: JD2411 said: that's because you fail at trolling and don't have anything to back your insults or claims.'that's just your opinion' is the most intelligent thing to say in an argument the irony hurts |
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beavis2323 said: no i dont think so That might be because most of your posts are 10 words or less. Now that I think about it, I don't think that I've ever seen you in an argument... Guess that's a good thing? |
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tsudecimo said: ouch you again? still waiting for more arguments that aren't related to code geass R2, go ahead, still waiting. AND I can actually back my claims on why R2 is shitty in my opinion and I've done it in the past.Sourire said: JD2411 said: that's because you fail at trolling and don't have anything to back your insults or claims.'that's just your opinion' is the most intelligent thing to say in an argument the irony hurts Still waiting. |
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Itami-chan said: Now that I think about it, I don't think that I've ever seen you in an argument... Guess that's a good thing? i dont get into arguments because i dont want to get into one |
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| I've used most of them at some point in my life but after taking a critical thinking class in my university, I've been more cautious with how I argue and try to avoid such fallacies. |
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