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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Not a bad chapter. We get to see how they form a truce and why they start fighting again. I'm not liking Tobirama very much right now. It was nice seeing how Hashirama named "Hokage" and Madara named "Konoha" they both contributed to the naming of the village hehe. |
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| This was a good chapter. We probably have 2 more weeks of flashbacks. Really not liking Tobirama right now. Hashirama's really trying, but he's not. It was great seeing how the name of the village originated. *Madara, while peeking through the hole of a leaf... The Village Hidden in The Leaf* |
| I love this chapter! Can't wait for the next one. I really like Tobirama but in this chapter.... eh... I am conflicted. |
| Maybe next time. |
| Damn, those eyes really fright me out. |
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| So basically Tobirama is one of the main cause that Madara turn evil. Oh man really starting to dislike him a little :X though I understand his point |
| Madara is a little kid who cant keep forward. Seriously.. |
| Madara journey to evil complete. |
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| This was a really cool chapter in my opinion. We got to learn a lot about how the village came to be and how its hierarchy got established. It seems to me like Tobirama was the cause of a lot of the Uchiha bitterness going around the village, too bad things just couldn't work out. Anyway, hopefully we'll be getting back to Madara and Hashirama's fight soon! I wanna see what that giant wooden Buddha can do! lol. |
| "No matter how much of a genius one is, in front of the Uchiha name, they're just ordinary people." - Sasuke Uchiha |
| Just reading for the sake of completing the damn thing. |
| A city's greatness is determined by the speed of its internet connection. |
| Wow. This chapter(and the conversation between Madara and Hashirama) sure did go around in circles. |
Shanks_Hashirama said: So basically Tobirama is one of the main cause that Madara turn evil. Oh man really starting to dislike him a little :X though I understand his point Madara isn't turning evil, he is turning unreasonable. |
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| Well, I can understand Madara's point of view a little: he isn't trusted by the village he helped create, his clan will likely be exterminated under Tobirama's rule, yet he can't do anything to stop it as his own clan doesn't trust him (he's not even suggesting stopping Tobirama, but rather the Uchiha to leave, a ''peaceful'' solution). He failed to protect his brother (the person he cared about the most), and he is failing to protect his clan, the people who share his same blood. He is actually making quite an effort to see past his hatred, but that is no way to live. I would've left the village as well if all I could ever do is stand to the side and watch how everything you care about is destroyed. I would say Tobirama is the one who can't keep going forward, not because of him pointing out the truth, but because of his grudge against Madara that never really faded, heck, he's the one who actually killed Izuna yet Madara isn't taking revenge. The eye moon plan makes more sense now, Madara said that the battles could never stop because humans couldn't understand one another, couldn't show what they really felt. Konoha's creation was supposed to help with that, yet even after creating it, mistrust and hate do not disappear. Madara was right when he said that joining Hashirama was like a silent fight, the eye moon plan isn't a world domination plan, it's a way to force people to reveal what they truly feel, peace is not something that can be achieved by ourselves (according to him), so ''divine'' intervention is needed, inside the infinite Tsukuyomi, he's basically a god. |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
| Lmao this dude Hashirama was really going to kill himself for Madara, wtf. Looks like Madara's world exploring adventures are starting next week. |
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| What is with all the chapters that don't really reveal what we don't already know? |
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| I kinda want the flashbacks to stop now. But anyways, nice chapter. Everythings all peaceful in Konoha and Madara wants to screw things up. |
| Shit is going down thanks to Tobirama. |
| What weak and stupid development. At least last chapter was decent ._. These flashbacks need to end. |
| I must be the only one that gets Tobirama. He's the only one being realistic here and if it was that easy for Madara to turn his back on the first he would have done so either way. So all I got from this chapter is that Madara is as angry and emo as Sasuke or more and Hashirama is just a Naruto 2.0. Talk about repeating the same story :( |
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| that's it? he just broke cause he didnt feel loved? bleh. wouldve been better if someone cut off hashirama's arm and he goes nuts to play the badboy to get revenge or something... |
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| This is kinda pointless imo... We have seen countless time *hes battle , hes alliance, we knew that they where friends that together they build everything etc* so ... Why keep doing this meaningless flashbacks... Ok i dont mind about story wise and i do want to see them on anime but ... Go on with the story enough is enough -_- |
| GEE HEE ! |
RomanceDawn said: I must be the only one that gets Tobirama. He's the only one being realistic here and if it was that easy for Madara to turn his back on the first he would have done so either way. So all I got from this chapter is that Madara is as angry and emo as Sasuke or more and Hashirama is just a Naruto 2.0. Talk about repeating the same story :( It comes down to whether or not he's right about the Sharingan brain damage. Is it completely impossible for Uchiha to live as functional members of society once they've gone down the path of emo? |
| How Madara still lost to Hashimara is still a mystery to me. |
Marhuto said: This was a good chapter. We probably have 2 more weeks of flashbacks. Really not liking Tobirama right now. Hashirama's really trying, but he's not. It was great seeing how the name of the village originated. *Madara, while peeking through the hole of a leaf... The Village Hidden in The Leaf* Wow seriously? Dang kishimoto doesn't even leave the smallest details out, thats nice. Ill have to read this. |
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| Hashirama why are you such a baller. why cant the manga just change to Hashirama? He's a much cooler character. B-be... believe..! oh what's the use anymore.....  |
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| Well i just loved this. Complainers will be complainers and wanting to get back to the war but i am so loving the history behind all this. This gives the war and everything happening in the present so much more substance and meaning, such as literally how "evil" spread through out the world. Hashirama is a true friend. His devotion towards madara becoming hokage was just great he wanted to set his own ideals for the good of the village and seek justice for his people and the clans that united. He wanted a world free of war. He wanted to break those boundaries of their past. How ever Tobiriama i think screwed everything up. When he went against his beliefs and ideal's bout madara becoming hokage, he opened his big mouth and was against it. In away i can see why because of the uchiha's cursed clan which eventually might caused bloodshed where the cycle of hatred would continue regardless. Madara over heard this and i think thats what caused his sharingen eyes to activate, thus towards the future, finally caused the separation between the uchiha and senju clan's and eventually the large conflict that follows and the wars, its like a spiraling chain of events, tying up past and present where everything in the present starts to really become clear as day. Speaking of sharingen eyes, if you think bout it, that is the sole purpose of the "evil" in the world. Why their are so many wars, it all began with the awakening of the sharingen eye's and the uchiha's cursed clan. I wonder who created these eyes, i wonder if the origins of the sharingen eyes will ever be revealed, i am kind of interested in that. Kishimoto FTW! He's a damn good writer. I just feel sorry that people can't grasp the deep meaning in this. Over all looking at this chapter, i believe and i think tobirama is a big reason why the world is so screwed up today, hashirama on the other hand wanted to set things right, but tobiriama with his beliefs and prejudice against the uchia clan, even though he was of course right and thinking that the cursed clan might cause future wars. HE is the one that basically started this whole damn thing, i think maybe history might of been changed if tobirama wasn't so prejudice against the uchiha and welcomed them and tried to let them be apart of society and hashirama's uniting clans. I could be wrong of course, but once a cursed uchiha, always a cursed uchiha, nothing is going to change the power of the cursed clan and even if madara became another hokage, the sharingen eyes will still take over and turn him evil at some point. But i still think that tobiriama is a big reason why so many conflicts between these two major clans ensued. Those are my beliefs, but will have to see later on as the chapters continue. |
ArtimesGamerMar 27, 2013 12:56 PM
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| I really like this flashback |
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| Well, this flashback isn't bad. |
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| Never really liked Tobirama that much, but now im even starting to dislike him.Who the hell he thinks he is? -.- |
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| It's not like Tobirama is being too cold, if anything out of both extremes in Hashirama and Madara, he is most balanced. Madara just won't quit to moping around and constant 'woe is the nature of our clan' while Hashirama wont be more affirmative and just literally have more resolve. Again in typical Uchiha fashion, while I get the reason for the 'emoness' in Madara it always feels so unnecessary, especially when times are good. |
| Let me hold the hands of the people that can't understand this. Have you ever had anyone judge you because you are particular ethnicity,gender,size or anything that stereotype's you into being certain way in anothers eye without even being "known" by them.That is basically what Tobirama is doing he feeds the stereotyping of the uchihas as being filled with hate.Basically...The Uchiha "threat" that he invisioned didn't exist until he created it. |
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| Wow, I think people are blaming Tobirama a bit too much... Tobirama's only fault was his inability to let go of his grudge against the Uchiha. Madara's actually the most mature one here, together with Hashirama. I mean, Tobirama's the one that killed Izuna, they may not see eye to eye, but Madara hasn't even tried to get revenge because of it! It's like Hashirama said, he understands what having a brother means, and the pain of losing one, he can see past his hatred thanks to the fact that he doesn't wish that kind of pain to Hashirama. Hashirama for his part can see the good in Madara's actions he said it himself: ''You really are a sympathetic person''. He wants him as Hokage not only because it would help Madara form new bonds, but also because creating Konoha was both their dreams when they were kids. The reason why Madara left is not because he was being ''emo'' or a crybaby, but because there simply wasn't anything there for him anymore: he suspects the clan will be exterminated if Tobirama becomes Hokage (and it was true), but his clan won't listen to him, he basically went from clan head to...well, nothing. He isn't trusted nor really respected by the village (he wouldn't be chosen as Hokage). Basically, his only link to the village was Hashirama and their dream, but Konoha failed to fullfill what they both dreamed, the physical fighting may have stopped, but as Madara said, it's basically a silent fight, their vision of the end of the wars wasn't that. If you have the power to make your dreams, your ideals a reality, and the only thing that ties you down is a village that does not want you, why would you stay? It's not like Madara doesn't know what he's doing, that things could be better, but he can't continue living like that, he said so himself: ''I do understand your point. But I can't do more than this.. I'm leaving the village. I found another way.'' It's basically the same reason he compares Obito to himself, he lost faith in Humans, he doesn't believe ''true'' peace can exist in the world, that's where the infinite Tsukuyomi comes in. |
"Rejoice! We are humans— we are the most talented people! Precisely because we were born without any ability— we can achieve anything— this is the will of the weakest race!" – Sora, ‘No game No life Vol.01’ |
link9us said: Well i just loved this. Complainers will be complainers and wanting to get back to the war but i am so loving the history behind all this. This gives the war and everything happening in the present so much more substance and meaning, such as literally how "evil" spread through out the world. Hashirama is a true friend. His devotion towards madara becoming hokage was just great he wanted to set his own ideals for the good of the village and seek justice for his people and the clans that united. He wanted a world free of war. He wanted to break those boundaries of their past. How ever Tobiriama i think screwed everything up. When he went against his beliefs and ideal's bout madara becoming hokage, he opened his big mouth and was against it. In away i can see why because of the uchiha's cursed clan which eventually might caused bloodshed where the cycle of hatred would continue regardless. Madara over heard this and i think thats what caused his sharingen eyes to activate, thus towards the future, finally caused the separation between the uchiha and senju clan's and eventually the large conflict that follows and the wars, its like a spiraling chain of events, tying up past and present where everything in the present starts to really become clear as day. Speaking of sharingen eyes, if you think bout it, that is the sole purpose of the "evil" in the world. Why their are so many wars, it all began with the awakening of the sharingen eye's and the uchiha's cursed clan. I wonder who created these eyes, i wonder if the origins of the sharingen eyes will ever be revealed, i am kind of interested in that. Kishimoto FTW! He's a damn good writer. I just feel sorry that people can't grasp the deep meaning in this. Over all looking at this chapter, i believe and i think tobirama is a big reason why the world is so screwed up today, hashirama on the other hand wanted to set things right, but tobiriama with his beliefs and prejudice against the uchia clan, even though he was of course right and thinking that the cursed clan might cause future wars. HE is the one that basically started this whole damn thing, i think maybe history might of been changed if tobirama wasn't so prejudice against the uchiha and welcomed them and tried to let them be apart of society and hashirama's uniting clans. I could be wrong of course, but once a cursed uchiha, always a cursed uchiha, nothing is going to change the power of the cursed clan and even if madara became another hokage, the sharingen eyes will still take over and turn him evil at some point. But i still think that tobiriama is a big reason why so many conflicts between these two major clans ensued. Those are my beliefs, but will have to see later on as the chapters continue. Once more, clap-clap, I can't be more in agreement with you. Just what I wanted to say. And yes, it's shame that Naruto is actually so underrated, people seeing it like simply-typical-shounen, while it reaches to touch some "concepts" that are really hard to express with words even for more mature stories seinen-type (and I don't mean "themes" or "questions" but concepts that you can feel while reading this manga, concepts that the autor somehow transmits by drawing and that unlock some of the secret chambers of our brains :) ) Congrats Kishi, that's why Naruto will always be not my favourite manga but something even higher than that, something just brilliant :) |
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| Out of all the back stories in the manga, this is the most important so i can't see why people want to go back to the war. If you don’t like the development that’s fine, but just to see action, I’m not too sure i agree. This is great in my opinion. |
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| I'm starting to get the feeling that all uchiha's are clones of each other except for tobi because he's a good boy |
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Mem521 said: Out of all the back stories in the manga, this is the most important so i can't see why people want to go back to the war. If you don’t like the development that’s fine, but just to see action, I’m not too sure i agree. This is great in my opinion. Well i am sure the action will be electrifying, but its this deep back story and the way the plot is structured, introducing the history behind madara and hashirama's past and the cursed clan, the building of konoho, etc before the war finished was genius on kishi's part. When the war finally gets back underway it will be alot different, it will hold alot more meaning. Your mind set is not just going to be focused on the action and madara as an evil villain only attaining one thing power. You will be watching the action, but also remembering all of the events and consequences of the past that lead up to this entire conflict and wondering how things will change based on past events. I mean for those if you who are bleach fans To me that just seems like something kubo tite just kind of thought up of at the time as he was writing where as kishimoto clearly has a definite direction in where his story is heading, given the fact that he introduced all of this history of the past, helping to make the present alot more clear and exactly wtf is actually going on. Those i think are great qualities of a writer. |
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| I never really was a fan of Tobirama, but in this chapter, he just showed how much of a child he his, just like Madara. Doesn't know when to make sacrifices and/or ignore past deeds to move forward in life. I'm guessing next is the final battle between Madara and Hashirama.(?) |
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| Madara has no fault here, Tobirama sure is one that can piss the Uchiha |
| Plot twist at the end: Madara turns evil out of the blue. No fucking explanation. He just evil coz he can! LOL I understand naruto sucks and has no standards or serious plot, but this is going too far in lack of plot coherence. Oh well can't expect anything serious from this piece of shit anyway. But hope they finish soon with the flashbacks and get to the point already. Answer sasuke's question. Naruto fights sasuke ... they kiss coz they're obviously homosexual both of them and manga ends. |
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| Damn it Tobirama >_> and Madara too. |
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| I disagree that Tobirama is that bad. Let's not forget that Tobirama never had the ideals of his brother or made an Uchiha friend. For him Uchiha's were the enemy but still he accepted making piece and forming a village with them. The fact that he still has his doubts and wants to be careful is only natural after generations of fighting with each other. He may have trust issues but at least his trying. Madara on the other hand doesn't even try. If everything ain't heavenly he immediately goes berserk. For example the moment he found some doubt on Tobirama he went all crazy. Well of course you can't build anything if you don't even try and that's how Madara is. He never really tries to make things better and then he complains. If he just stayed and tried he could also have help Tobirama get over his doubts but with his behavior he does nothing but confirm Tobirama's fears. |
| So many people complaining about flashbacks but heck, the flashbacks are really good. I love this chapter and I like the origin of the name hehe. Looking forward to the next chapters so bad~ |
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Ghostony said: I'm starting to get the feeling that all uchiha's are clones of each other except for tobi because he's a good boy since he got only one original sharingan as his emoness halved? :D BTW, Tobirama's attitude kind of resembles that of Akainu. I won't argue whether he is right or wrong but what he do is basically "self fullfilling prophecy". Also, the moment I read Tobirama developed edo-tensei I had doubts about him. I hate sasugay and emo uchias, but itachi is one of my favorite characters. Regards. |
patr10Mar 28, 2013 1:23 AM
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| I used to think that Tobirama was cool...but not anymore... :( |
| i think if Madara was made the first hokage none of this would've happened....oh well, decent chapter but I want the fight flashback to resume QAQ |
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Guns47 said: RomanceDawn said: I must be the only one that gets Tobirama. He's the only one being realistic here and if it was that easy for Madara to turn his back on the first he would have done so either way. So all I got from this chapter is that Madara is as angry and emo as Sasuke or more and Hashirama is just a Naruto 2.0. Talk about repeating the same story :( It comes down to whether or not he's right about the Sharingan brain damage. Is it completely impossible for Uchiha to live as functional members of society once they've gone down the path of emo? Haha guess I never thought of it that way, some go down the path of blood. Other go down the path of emo. LOL |
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