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aafarr2 said: (I also posted this in r/anime, but I thought you guys might like it too) For those wondering, the quotes that Makishima was saying are from Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus. Interestingly enough, he was jumping around the scenes a lot. Let's recap what he said. Spoilers about Titus Andronicus below. I put all the quotes in the spoiler to shorten the post length. Analysis time. First off, if we take the literal route, Rokako Oryo is playing the part of Titus' daughter Lavinia. Lavinia is raped by Chiron and Demetrius, who were persuaded to do so by Aaron (who I believe is played by Makishima). Her hands are cut off and her tongue is cut out so that she can not speak or write down the name of her offenders. The parallel here is obvious, Oryo's cell phone has no reception (her tongue being cut out) and her hand is cut by the robot dog. I suppose the weird hunter man could be Chron or Demetrius, but to be honest it probably doesn't matter. Other than that, it seems Makishima is just being choosy about the lines apart from context and applying them to Oryo. The second quote is about a hunt, and Oyro is hunted. The fourth quote implies that Makishima will not listen to any excuses about Oyro's failure. The fifth and sixth quotes are physically applied to Oryo. The final line is said about Tomora, not Lavinia, but Makishima is seemingly just applying it to Oryo directly. Makishima has clearly prepared these quotes, which means that he probably knew Oryo would fail him and that he would have her hunted and killed. It seems he was just rubbing some Titus quotes in her face since she's familiar with the play. This whole arc so far has had a ton of Shakespeare references. For example: the class recites from Twelth Night in episode 6. At the end of episode 6, Makishima was discussing the fate of Lavinia with Oryo. For those wondering, Lavinia was eventually killed by Titus in an honor killing because she was raped. Oryo quotes "Because the girl should not survive her shame, And by her presence still renew his sorrows", which was said by Saturninus to Titus regarding Lavinia in Act V, Scene 3. If Oyro is Lavinia, Makishima may also be Titus in a way, as he had her "honor killed" for not performing up to his standards. If I'm right in comparing Makishima to Aaron, it's interesting to note that Aaron's last words were that he wished he could only do more evil. Another interesting point is that Makishima is ALSO being unoriginal by turning Oryo's death into a Shakespeare farce of sorts. The guy may enjoy entertainment, but I do not think he is some artistic genius. Though, I don't think it was implied that he is. Rather, I think he wants to supply the artistic geniuses with the tools to get things done. In summary, Makishima is insane. For the future, since there are flags in at least two episode for Shakespeare now, be on the lookout for parallels. However, Shakespeare might have only been utilized for Oryo's arc. This was fun to write and research. Please, anyone feel free to disagree with me regarding my short analysis or anything regarding the play. I'm familiar with the play, and I also went back to confirm context... but that doesn't make me a scholar in it. Thanks for posting this. I'm not very well versed in the works of Shakespeare besides Romeo and Juliet and Hamlet. Even then, I would have a pretty hard time quoting since it's probably been 10 years since I've read either (man, I feel old :-/). It was interesting seeing that introduced into this series, although, I agree that I'm not sure if this is going to be a staple of Psycho-Pass or it was just for Oryo's arc. She did mention that she loves Shakespeare's work in the beginning of her arc so I'm wondering if it was just something to conclude her arc with. I did find it to be rather fitting. It's hard to get a read on Makishima so far. I'm not getting the artistic vibe from him, I'm getting the impression that "he's an enabler of evil" type. That's the impression I got when Shinya was going through the old case files and discovered that it wasn't the same killer but was providing the same means to kill. |
| this one was quite bloody... and is it just me or has the ending changed a bit (added more)? still awesome!! |
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| this anime is getting awesome. Really interesting and a breath of fresh air from the usual. |
| Holy fuck. Makishima is one hell of an antagonist. Rikako got what she deserved, but daaaaaaayuuuuuummmmmm. This is shaping up to be Urobutcher's darkest anime. |
| fuck. hate that white haired douchebag |
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aafarr2 said: (I also posted this in r/anime, but I thought you guys might like it too) For those wondering, the quotes that Makishima was saying are from Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus. Interestingly enough, he was jumping around the scenes a lot. Let's recap what he said. Spoilers about Titus Andronicus below. I put all the quotes in the spoiler to shorten the post length. Analysis time. First off, if we take the literal route, Rokako Oryo is playing the part of Titus' daughter Lavinia. Lavinia is raped by Chiron and Demetrius, who were persuaded to do so by Aaron (who I believe is played by Makishima). Her hands are cut off and her tongue is cut out so that she can not speak or write down the name of her offenders. The parallel here is obvious, Oryo's cell phone has no reception (her tongue being cut out) and her hand is cut by the robot dog. I suppose the weird hunter man could be Chron or Demetrius, but to be honest it probably doesn't matter. Other than that, it seems Makishima is just being choosy about the lines apart from context and applying them to Oryo. The second quote is about a hunt, and Oyro is hunted. The fourth quote implies that Makishima will not listen to any excuses about Oyro's failure. The fifth and sixth quotes are physically applied to Oryo. The final line is said about Tomora, not Lavinia, but Makishima is seemingly just applying it to Oryo directly. Makishima has clearly prepared these quotes, which means that he probably knew Oryo would fail him and that he would have her hunted and killed. It seems he was just rubbing some Titus quotes in her face since she's familiar with the play. This whole arc so far has had a ton of Shakespeare references. For example: the class recites from Twelth Night in episode 6. At the end of episode 6, Makishima was discussing the fate of Lavinia with Oryo. For those wondering, Lavinia was eventually killed by Titus in an honor killing because she was raped. Oryo quotes "Because the girl should not survive her shame, And by her presence still renew his sorrows", which was said by Saturninus to Titus regarding Lavinia in Act V, Scene 3. If Oyro is Lavinia, Makishima may also be Titus in a way, as he had her "honor killed" for not performing up to his standards. If I'm right in comparing Makishima to Aaron, it's interesting to note that Aaron's last words were that he wished he could only do more evil. Another interesting point is that Makishima is ALSO being unoriginal by turning Oryo's death into a Shakespeare farce of sorts. The guy may enjoy entertainment, but I do not think he is some artistic genius. Though, I don't think it was implied that he is. Rather, I think he wants to supply the artistic geniuses with the tools to get things done. In summary, Makishima is insane. For the future, since there are flags in at least two episode for Shakespeare now, be on the lookout for parallels. However, Shakespeare might have only been utilized for Oryo's arc. This was fun to write and research. Please, anyone feel free to disagree with me regarding my short analysis or anything regarding the play. I'm familiar with the play, and I also went back to confirm context... but that doesn't make me a scholar in it. wow thanks for putting this stuff in i have too say im not soo much into shakspear and parly know any of his storys but its really interessting too view it like this ;D |
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| Aww, I was expecting Rikako to become a "piece of art" too. That would have been the perfect end for that crazy woman. |
| It's getting pretty interesting, I guess. I'm not sure if I'm a fan of the constant quoting of plays and such. Dunno if I enjoy Shakespeare language in anime. |
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| GET.OWNED.BITCH. OWNED. Kogami once again breaks the badass meter. |
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| Auch,the talks -_-" I really hate the first 5minutes. It's really boring to me. Although, the rest 17minutes really rocks. That investigation is really epic. And that headshot~ I LOL'ed when Rikako's CC being measured. 472!! Oh , and I love the ED. Time for the main course~ I suspect Makishima will play with Akane first in order to play with Shinya. |
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| Is it just me or is anyone else imagining the 1st encounter between Akane, Ko and Makishima like this: Akane: Kogami, what does the Dominator says about his Psycho-Pass? Kogami: It's over nine thousaaaaaaaaaaaand! Akane: What nine thousand? aafar2, thnx for the explanation abut the play. I got that he was quoting something, but I didn't really want to do the job you did. So, it seems Makishima isn't really a revolutionaire. Sure, he's against the system, but his goals seems to be sowing chaos, instead of trying to bring the system down. It's kinda sad really, because that way we won't have a real dilemma. Even if his arguments against the system are sound, coming from a guy like him they won't have the smallest effect. Let's hope we have proper revolutionaire in a second season, because we must have more. Also, with all the possible crazy people he could explore, he's going to target an Enforcer? Really? He might have the means but that's just too much. Also, still don't like how Ko is the awesome detective that has ALL the insights. The prison was interesting and the tattoo guy was very cool. Other than that, I liked the bit with Kunizuka and the girl. It's the 1st we see about her personality and there's a hint about why she's an enforcer now. So, I guess we know now what happened to the serial killer that killed Ko's friend. He was probably hunted too. |
| Finally caught up with the episodes, and omg Makishima reminds me so much of James Moriarty from BBC's Sherlock. Consultant Criminal. |
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| This episode is absolutely fantastic. It's just the beginning of Makishima's toying with Kougami. We'll see them meet just like in episode one sometime later. Execution is done excellently as well. Nothing but praise I guess. |
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| This was a really good episode. I also just noticed, the ED really gives off some Guilty Crown vibes imo. |
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| BOOM HEADSHOT, loved it. Great episode can't wait for the next upcoming episodes. |
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| Nice episode~ And they sure know how to make it gore. |
| I'm not from an English speaking country, so I always found it hard to read old English literature. Near the end of this ep, when Makishima reads the book, I barely understand anything. |
| Most entertaining episode so far. |
| Awesome. Thanks, Mr. Huntsmen guy, for getting "Ode To Joy" stuck in my head. |
| Loved this episode. The prison guys were rather interesting lol. |
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| My guess: Knowing Makishima is getting his hands on Kougami and from the op Akane is pointing her gun to Kougami, my guess is that Kougami goes rogue and kill Makishima. Eventually Akane will need to finish the job herself. |
| Pretty enjoyable episode. Good to see that Rikako's arc is over, four eps would be too long in my opinion. And I'd really like to see some crimes that are NOT connected to Makishima. He can't be everywhere... Are my eyes mistaken, or the visuals in EDs change every episode? |
| the bitch had it coming but i feel pity on how she died, and that psychopath terrorist Makishima and psychopath hunter Kougami epic battle begins, anyone thinks that Jail for psychopaths will eventually be open by Makishima on later episodes to make more terror? |
| This is probably one of the best episode for psycho pass, not to mention making this series one of the better ones this season (or even for the year). The suspense of this episode which shows how art can conceal a hidden motive behind it and how Kogami juz epically solve the case like an art critic, the horror (as usual!) And what makes it the best; the anticipation and speed. However, there's just one major flaw i would say: not the settings, not the plot, but the pacing, i wuld say. |
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| He found a more interesting toy. And by the way ? Hyppocampus in the anus ? What the fuck XD ?! |
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| Ugh, pretentious quoting that I never understand. Makes me hate the guy even more! Those attack dogs though, man, I wouldn't mind having one... Plus that guy enjoying the thrill of the hunt makes me want to see more of him. Well, I guess that boarding school is gonna have to face a mean inspection from parents. Why wasn't Rikako's psycho-pass measured sooner? Avoiding pass-by scans? -Morkie said: Are my eyes mistaken, or the visuals in EDs change every episode? Yeah I noticed that too, but not every episode. I think there's like 3 ED versions now? |
| Woahh.....Great episode!!! Rikako was taken care of by her own sponsors. I couldn't help but feel sorry for her. Seriously, those guys keep backstabbing each other. "Your reap what you saw" , I guess that became quite obvious with Rikako. Without a doubt, Makishima will suffer the same fate. Probably a shameful death as well. He's playing with fire now - by messing with Komagi. I'm still hoping to see more of Akane. She's a dinamic character, so she will develop somehow. Will she become mentally unstable and break? I can't wait to see more development! |
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aafarr2 said: (I also posted this in r/anime, but I thought you guys might like it too) For those wondering, the quotes that Makishima was saying are from Shakespeare's Titus Andronicus. Interestingly enough, he was jumping around the scenes a lot. Let's recap what he said. Spoilers about Titus Andronicus below. I put all the quotes in the spoiler to shorten the post length. Analysis time. First off, if we take the literal route, Rokako Oryo is playing the part of Titus' daughter Lavinia. Lavinia is raped by Chiron and Demetrius, who were persuaded to do so by Aaron (who I believe is played by Makishima). Her hands are cut off and her tongue is cut out so that she can not speak or write down the name of her offenders. The parallel here is obvious, Oryo's cell phone has no reception (her tongue being cut out) and her hand is cut by the robot dog. I suppose the weird hunter man could be Chron or Demetrius, but to be honest it probably doesn't matter. Other than that, it seems Makishima is just being choosy about the lines apart from context and applying them to Oryo. The second quote is about a hunt, and Oyro is hunted. The fourth quote implies that Makishima will not listen to any excuses about Oyro's failure. The fifth and sixth quotes are physically applied to Oryo. The final line is said about Tomora, not Lavinia, but Makishima is seemingly just applying it to Oryo directly. Makishima has clearly prepared these quotes, which means that he probably knew Oryo would fail him and that he would have her hunted and killed. It seems he was just rubbing some Titus quotes in her face since she's familiar with the play. This whole arc so far has had a ton of Shakespeare references. For example: the class recites from Twelth Night in episode 6. At the end of episode 6, Makishima was discussing the fate of Lavinia with Oryo. For those wondering, Lavinia was eventually killed by Titus in an honor killing because she was raped. Oryo quotes "Because the girl should not survive her shame, And by her presence still renew his sorrows", which was said by Saturninus to Titus regarding Lavinia in Act V, Scene 3. If Oyro is Lavinia, Makishima may also be Titus in a way, as he had her "honor killed" for not performing up to his standards. If I'm right in comparing Makishima to Aaron, it's interesting to note that Aaron's last words were that he wished he could only do more evil. Another interesting point is that Makishima is ALSO being unoriginal by turning Oryo's death into a Shakespeare farce of sorts. The guy may enjoy entertainment, but I do not think he is some artistic genius. Though, I don't think it was implied that he is. Rather, I think he wants to supply the artistic geniuses with the tools to get things done. In summary, Makishima is insane. For the future, since there are flags in at least two episode for Shakespeare now, be on the lookout for parallels. However, Shakespeare might have only been utilized for Oryo's arc. This was fun to write and research. Please, anyone feel free to disagree with me regarding my short analysis or anything regarding the play. I'm familiar with the play, and I also went back to confirm context... but that doesn't make me a scholar in it. thanks a lot for this. Seems like we both are new in the forums just to discuss about this anime =) Linkark07 said: You never know. Maybe her head ended in the same substance (doesn't look like that though) they used to preserve the corpsesAww, I was expecting Rikako to become a "piece of art" too. That would have been the perfect end for that crazy woman. |
FerrasNov 30, 2012 7:45 AM
| Serves her right, being killed off like that in the end! |
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sagdashin said: Very good episode, but I find some of the philosophical and idealistic talk very extreme. You need some sort of higher education, like high school and up or you payed hardcore attention at middle school to understand all of this beyond the superficial. I study Psychology at university level right now so it's no problem here, but I just feel it's kinda extreme for the average viewer. Though I could be wrong, but I'd like to hear your guys opinions on this. Anyways 5/5, that bitch's dead <3 No, what you need is some curiosity and thirst for such knowledge. Schools only teach basics and universities are usually more specialized failing to give any general knowledge. When i was a kid in elementary school i had nothing to entertain myself than the bookshelf my mother put in the house. I was bored of doing homework and stuff but before i was 12 years old i had studied lots of authors and learn quite a lot of things from all that. Schools aren't really something that will make you a person of knowledge and culture, just something to get you started if you ever want to be such a person and mostly just a place to get a piece of paper so you can go to a university and specialize in something so you can work in some place. The current education system is nothing but a molting place for people to comfort into the society system. |
Monad said: Exactly and let me add that's it your responsibility and duty as a citizen to use of what molding you got to turn into a personal shape whom would be yourself and what you are to society.sagdashin said: Very good episode, but I find some of the philosophical and idealistic talk very extreme. You need some sort of higher education, like high school and up or you payed hardcore attention at middle school to understand all of this beyond the superficial. I study Psychology at university level right now so it's no problem here, but I just feel it's kinda extreme for the average viewer. Though I could be wrong, but I'd like to hear your guys opinions on this. Anyways 5/5, that bitch's dead <3 No, what you need is some curiosity and thirst for such knowledge. Schools only teach basics and universities are usually more specialized failing to give any general knowledge. When i was a kid in elementary school i had nothing to entertain myself than the bookshelf my mother put in the house. I was bored of doing homework and stuff but before i was 12 years old i had studied lots of authors and learn quite a lot of things from all that. Schools aren't really something that will make you a person of knowledge and culture, just something to get you started if you ever want to be such a person and mostly just a place to get a piece of paper so you can go to a university and specialize in something so you can work in some place. The current education system is nothing but a molting place for people to comfort into the society system. That guy in the first episode was a very good person and worker but in thee end even if he got his mold custom nice and working out, it's what he made of the scanners in thee end and how he ruined himself that he decided to shape up his mold like that. Hence effectively ruining himself like that. Point being is that the education is a tool, it's something you need to refine and not be dependent on the teachings only. IMO that is what Monad tries to convey and I added to it somewhat. Might be explaining it badly. |
| So the mad woman died,I hope to see more advancing with Mikishima. |
JavierR said: Holy shit that girl got violated. Bear trap, then getting her hand sliced, then finally getting her head blown off. soo many feel pity for the psycho Girl i dont get it at all why She DAMN DESERVED I>T |
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| She deserved that headshot the way she treated those girls. I was so glad to see that bitch die. |
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| Yeah, but she was a victim as well. A victim of the system. She lost her father and was trapped in that archaic school. She was insane and certainly didn't deserve to be free but she also didn't deserve to be hunted down like a dog, no one deserves that, not even the worst murderer. I actually feel sorry for all the girl's in that school they are over protected and being raised to not be able to handle any kind of stress. Her description of them as beautiful pieces of antique furniture is really telling. She couldn't see the same was true about herself. She was like a small child trying to continue her father's work without understanding it. She was twisted, sadistic and cruel but also a product of this fucked up system. She would have died no matter the circumstances because of the way this twisted society is setup. The society failed her, just as it failed so many of these criminals despite all the talk rehabilitation. Even the prison that Akane and Kougami visited is just letting the prisoners fall deeper into their delusions and perversions. The more I see of this society the more rotten it's core. And it's bred criminals that are more evil and fucked up than ever. |
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| How bad do you have to fail at parenting to have a kid with a coefficient of 472? Pretty fucking bad. |
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| I wonder what Makishima's coefficient would be? The painted guy in the prison was awesome. |
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YoshiTokugawa said: JavierR said: Holy shit that girl got violated. Bear trap, then getting her hand sliced, then finally getting her head blown off. soo many feel pity for the psycho Girl i dont get it at all why She DAMN DESERVED I>T I'm one of them that felt sorry for Rikako. Poor kid. DraconisMarch said: How bad do you have to fail at parenting to have a kid with a coefficient of 472? Pretty fucking bad. Well, her father was basically dead with that disease, and the nurses/people kept feeding her crap about him still being able to hear her and such. That negatively affected her mentality. Edit: Marzan said: I wonder what Makishima's coefficient would be? I didn't read all the posts or know if this was asked before, so I'll just do the obvious...  |
Gatchum_Bye-ByeNov 30, 2012 2:25 PM
| I hate how they get nowhere when it comes to capturing culprits. I hope we get to see an even more interesting arc. |
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| As we've all seen Kougami's the most intelligent agent we've seen so far in the series. When I saw that dude in confinement, the art on his skin reminded me of Hidan in his ritual mode. Rikako Ouryou on the other hand is not. She displays the corpse like the arts of her father and think that she wont get caught. Pretty dumb i'll say. Now she knows the pain and fear the other girls had to experience... well she felt it worse... she was still alive while being tortured; the other girls died from being poisoned, then iced and then disassembled. So Makishima's next target is Ko. This is going to be interesting. Sent with Mal Updater |
| How the hell did the school system fail to notice that Oryo's crime coefficient was over 400? Didn't they mention that the students had to undergo weekly or monthly scans, a few episodes back? I can only assume Makishima had something to do with that, protecting Oryo. |
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