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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Ok, so they are now inside Tokyo Jupiter... about time answers start popping up? I think they're relying too much on mindfuk.. |
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| Great ending for this episode. Ayato seems freaked out by his mum. |
| I'm not sure I understood the ending actually. He bit his lip, and the blood was red; that implies he's a human, right? So in that case, why would he have ever thought he was a Mulan in the first place? Surely he had to have been cut at least once at some point in his life or had a bloody nose to know his blood was red, right? |
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| Ayato's blood was tested early in the series and they found some kind of Mulan allele or something. So to me it seems like he's a hybrid although he's always thought of himself as human. It would make more sense that his circulatory system would be more like his mother's though. What was that about Hadhiyat magically being able to catch up with Ayato and Quon? Or did they just happen to wait for her to arrive by Tokyo Jupiter? I also hope they won't be showing much of Quon anymore, it really annoys me when she's acting like a Rei who plays the violin. |
Feorg said: Ayato's blood was tested early in the series and they found some kind of Mulan allele or something. So to me it seems like he's a hybrid although he's always thought of himself as human. It would make more sense that his circulatory system would be more like his mother's though. What was that about Hadhiyat magically being able to catch up with Ayato and Quon? Or did they just happen to wait for her to arrive by Tokyo Jupiter? I also hope they won't be showing much of Quon anymore, it really annoys me when she's acting like a Rei who plays the violin. I was about to answer your questions but it’s not like you’re going to give a damn about the answers anyway, at least that’s what I think when I read “ blatant ripoff” present at the tag (famous line amongst lots of stupid evafags who watches Rah). I’m sick of having to explain everything to you biased people... the story isn’t that complicated, you just have to pay extra attention (turning on the brain while watching helps a lot!). I wonder how many actually watched the show instead of just pressing the play button… Seriously, people should try to concentrate a bit more at the story rather than making comparisons between this and EVA. |
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| So instead of answering you moan that you're not going to answer. That's funny. Honestly, being offended by someone's negative opinion of your favourite series is pretty pointless. At least I haven't still dropped this series and I'm trying to understand why people like it. And it's not the story I'm against. I understand there's a bit of mystery and it's been slowly unravelling. It's not a method of storytelling I enjoy usually and I'm not big on action series either. But the biggest thing that annoys me about this series is the characters. They've grown to be a bit different now but when they were first introduced it was so obvious that there was Rei, Misato, Ritsuko, a couple of Gendous etc. There are times when I do find the story interesting, but I'm annoyed every time the characters act like their counterparts in Eva. It's not like I want to make comparisons, rather I dislike the series because it forces me to do it through similar scenes. Quon is the most obvious example as the emotionless girl. Edit: It's true that I don't really care about being explained things. My questions were more rhetorical. If a show has inconsistencies or unanswered questions, maybe they will be made clearer later. If not, that's not something I worry about either. It's just a tv show. |
FeorgApr 29, 2012 10:17 AM
| Yeah, I’m aware that I’ve grown bitter after reading so many unfairly negative posts about this anime. I mean, I have nothing against people who disliked this series because it’s boring or because it’s confusing, etc. It’s natural. I can easily handle negative opinions as long as they have some substance to back it up. What pains me is to see that people often dismiss this series exclusively because it reminds them too much of EVA… you know, I am unable to understand that as a valid/concrete reason to bash this anime (even if I’m wrong) and there are lots, lots of people who dislikes this series just because of that, many doesn’t even bother watching the whole show to confirm that. They start watching already biased, making it almost impossible to actually like or care about what’s going on since they seems to be more worried at finding similarities between this show and EVA other than giving a fair chance. Maybe if people stopped comparing this to another show, they may be able to actually find some quality on it (yeah, I know it's hard to avoid comparisions...). That makes me wonder if they would like this series more if they have watched this before EVA. And I’m not even that pissed off , I already get past the times that I had to discuss with dozens of Evatards that this show isn’t a mere carbon copy, it’s hard though, almost impossible. As I already said, I’ve grown bitter when it comes about Rah x EVA, I tend to overreact towards unfair negative posts because of that. BTW this is the only anime that makes me overreact. |
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| Fair enough, comparisons to EVA aren't really enough to bash this anime. After all, most anime uses stock characters so similarities shouldn't be that big a deal. I'm now on ep. 21 and I might raise my rating towards the end because the story has picked up a bit and the characters have been more interesting lately. In my case I probably have more bias against the genre in itself. I'm not that crazy about Evangelion's story either but what I did like about that series was what many people hate: the way all the characters are somehow damaged or traumatized. RahXephon has only a little bit of that so it relies much more on the main action storyline. Some people love it because they don't have to listen to anyone whining, but to me it means that there isn't anything particularly interesting about it. As far as Mecha anime goes, this might be very good, it's just that trying to like the genre is further from my comfort zone. In comparison, some time ago I watched Sekai-ichi Hatsukoi which is a Shonen-ai series and I found the story tedious and the characters annoyingly similar. Yet it looks like fans of Boys' Love consider it really good in the genre. So I'm willing to admit that perhaps this is a really good mecha series, maybe it's even better than EVA in that sense because it's less melodramatic. But for me personally it isn't really doing it. But I also feel that the bits influenced by EVA are the bad things about this series and the further it's progressed towards its own direction the better it has become. |
| Well, I think we’re reaching a consensus at least. That’s a good signal :) It’s not like I am denying Eva’s influences towards Rah. This influence is quite strong and everyone can easily confirm that. Granted, the premise is nothing that different from what we see in other mecha animes. Just look at Eureka7, Macross, Megazone and other dozens of mecha show… they are all based at mecha aliens that pops out of nowhere and it has a teenage boy who pilots something and fights them to save the day. That’s why I don’t buy the idea that Rah completely rips off Eva (even because Macross and Megazone are much older than Eva, and I don’t see people saying that Eva ripped off those, and the concepts are quite similar!). Being influenced by some anime doesn’t automatically mean as ripoff, even if they do share some nasty similarities. This misunderstanding happens because Eva’s influence is huge and people adopted it as a landmark at the anime history, therefore they compare every other mecha show based at Eva’s standards (and because Rah does abuse a little at some coincidences). Another glaring example should be shounens in general. They are almost all based at the same basic premises, friendship, superpowers, becoming the strongest person ever, power-ups… you get my point. But even so you don’t see people comparing each other saying that this shounen ripped off the other, even if they share the exact same concepts. Quite ironic, isn’t it? There are many other animes that falls under similar conditions to be tagged as ripoff. So why is RahXephon the only one labeled as ripoff then? And I do get your point when you say that Rah’s cast is somewhat alike EVA. I do agree that they have similar roles, but their personalities, their driving forces are completely different. I mean, look at Ayato, he does play the same role as Shinji at the start but then, different from Shinji, he changes with the time. You see that he stops whining and wants to know what happens, he seeks answers instead of always running away. He faces his problems. Then there is Haruka that reminds Misato. Again their reasons to progress are widely different. Haruka’s reason to work is based at discovering the truth about Ayato and their past, it’s more a love story; while Misato works more for revenge because of what happened to her father. Quon is emotionless but there is a reason for it, anyway it’s not like emotionless characters are necessarily a bad thing (you like Kino, and Kino the girl is completely emotionless IMO, just a example; nothing personal). I could keep going on but I think I was able to prove my point. To sum things up, their roles are the same but their motivations are completely unrelated from what I can conclude. And I do prefer Eva’s cast over Rah’s cast. What makes the characters of Eva stands out is that every single one of them have a “differential”, a thing that is not present at the characters of Rah. they are all broken inside, you can see their state of mind, you can see the madness in their actions, you see that they all have something distinctive about them, unlike Rah’s cast that it’s much more “normal”. But it’s exactly because the angst is severed toned down at Rah that the story progress at a better pace IMO. And finally there is the action. RahXephon’s action is lame while Eva battles are awesome, it’s not hard to understand why people is more excited with Eva. So in the end the only thing that can make someone to like Rah is the story, if you don’t like the story so there’s nothing much left since the rest isn’t anything special from what you already seen, unlike Eva where even If you don’t like the story, you can still enjoy the characters whining all day long or the creative battles. And BTW the premises of both shows are alike but if you ignore the “monster of the week” formula you’ll see that Rah’s story is widely different from Eva’s regarding a lot of aspects, execution, purpose, ideas, closure, symbolisms, etc. I rewatched Rah 3 times and Eva 2 times, I think it's safe to conclude that after all. Whoa, everytime I start talking about Rah and Eva, I always write too much. That’s what happens when you’re a diehard fanboy. I need to control this habit of mine :p |
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| How does Mishma teleport like that? ALWAYS? |
| Creepy . . . I wonder who is in control of Tokyo though . . . Are all the people there Mu? Were they transformed in to Mu? Or simply were always Mu with false memories of what they are? Or what? I almost feel like Maya did something she shouldn't have awhile ago and was the cause of the Tokyo Jupiter incident . . . |
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| I feel like some random shit is going on. Feorg said: There are times when I do find the story interesting, but I'm annoyed every time the characters act like their counterparts in Eva. It's not like I want to make comparisons, rather I dislike the series because it forces me to do it through similar scenes. I don't dislike it, but sometimes I find the series very tiresome to watch because of these similarities. |
| Eva has a lot of similarities with Megazone, Gunbuster too. That makes the bashing of Rahxephon as an 'Eva clone' hilarious. |
Kagami_Hiiragi said: Idc if you think its weird, I have a life and friends and an income of money. |
| [quote=Zophrosyne]Eva has a lot of similarities with Megazone, Gunbuster too. That makes the bashing of Rahxephon as an 'Eva clone' hilarious.[/quote My thoughts exactly. |
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| I am so confused, I understand so little about this show. I still like it though and I will watch it a second time, It's kinda deep |
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| Hot damn, this show's exceeding my expectations and getting better with each episode. Shit's getting real. |
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| what the fuck is a dolem? |
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| So Ayato's friends and most of the people inside Tokyo Jupiter are Mulians who were brainwashed/hyponotised to not see the floating Dolems above them and see their own blood as red? But TERRA saw that Ayato's blood was red so is it red blood becoming blue (i.e. true Mulians are turning humans into Mulians) or Mulians believing they are human? |
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| Great episode! It's cute seeing Haruka sit like that inside of Vermillion XD  Pretty much revealed that the "Mulians" normal people have been brainwashed. It's obvious why they can't see Mu in the air nor their blood actually being Blue. Also, I always wondered. How did Haruka managed to get into Tokyo Jupiter in the first episode? If I remember earlier episodes, her uncle mentioned about them moving away from their city (which is Tokyo Jupiter), so how did she managed to come back again? They needed something like Rahxephon or Vermillion just to enter Tokyo Jupiter. Unless she was actually stuck there all this time (doubt it, since she said she was working for Terra already). Also, I always see Quon in a hospital setting with the mask and all. It kinda looks like she's always sick in every episode :(   Even Quon can speak the same language as Maya.  Good to see Asahina. Still, so Ayato was only "stuck" on Human Earth in 1 month Tokyo Jupiter time, even though he was there for almost half a year   I think it pretty much reveals that Maya is really not Ayato's mother. Maybe a spitting image of her, but not her biologically.    |
| Dude is breaking down. We also see that his blood is actually red. So either he his suffering from mind games or maybe he is a hybrid mix. |
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