| Yo. I think Witchblade was an amazing anime but alot of people dropped it because of the echii and i dont think it deserves that. Heck i had this anime on hold for like 2 years know but finnlay decided to buy the dvd and it was amazing. Defiantly one of the best anime out there. So what do you guys think? and give some anime that you fell was done some injustice because of it's appearance, but be real though. Cool anime. |
IciBurnApr 21, 2012 6:15 PM
deadleeserious said: Most anime pre-digital colour. Too many people missing great stories because of "bad art." Oh and stuff like Princess Tutu where the name puts people off despite it being one of the best written and most mature series in anime. I assume most people will put these examples. Agreed. In the case of Princess Tutu it may not be just the name, though. The whole appearance, character design, premise, even comedy, claims girly and cheesy, yet the storyline is one of the most brilliant and thrilling that have been written in anime. |
deadleeserious said: Yep. Most anime pre-digital colour. Too many people missing great stories because of "bad art." Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Mobile Suit Gundam, Hokuto no Ken, et cetera. Really sad how shallow people will disregard great series because they don't look as flashy as the new stuff. I've also seen Revolutionary Girl Utena being judged because of it's rosy and girly appearance. That'æs usually where I mention the staggering amount of phallic symbolism. |
| Chihayafuru, I wouldn't be surprised if there were people out there who didn't watch it because it's an anime about karuta, how could that ever be interesting, right? I wasn't going to watch it myself until a person on another forum convinced me to watch it, and I freakin' loved it. And yeah definitely older stuff, I have a friend who considers himself to be a massive Gundam fan, but he has never watched any of the older UC stuff because, and I quote "it looks crappy". |
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| Like this one? NNick said: The thing i disliked About Code Geass was the art style, and also i spoiled it for myself , watched last episode in youtube. |
| And then you run into series such as Madoka or School Days that use the fact that people judge by the cover, to create a desired effect. |
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| I think any anime that has ecchi or moe on the cover or first ep is automatically judged 'terrible' by a lot of people here. |
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Yvese said: I think any anime that has ecchi or moe on the cover or first ep is automatically judged 'terrible' by a lot of people here. You think? That's pretty much the entire anime community these days for some reason. Funny how that works eh? Eh? |
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| I catch myself watching anime with good art over bad art a lot, Its not that I mean to just but I think because I am an artist other good art really appeals to me. Yvese said: I think any anime that has ecchi or moe on the cover or first ep is automatically judged 'terrible' by a lot of people here. I've seen my fair share of Ecchi animes, They are all pretty much the same thing over and over thought they still have different stories and that alone is enough for me to stick to it but i've noticed that aswell.. wonder why its that way now? |
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deadleeserious said: Well, why not, if their main problem is that it looks girly, it might work.Because mentioning the phallic symbolism is a really good way to promote it :P mitch3315 said: I'll never understand how people like that can call themselves fans. If you're really a fan of something, you should be willing and able to watch all of it despite any small things like dated graphics. It's like claiming to be a Star Wars fan whilst refusing to watch the original trilogy.And yeah definitely older stuff, I have a friend who considers himself to be a massive Gundam fan, but he has never watched any of the older UC stuff because, and I quote "it looks crappy". miereneronaile said: Still, if someone sets a arbitrary line based on age and decides to dislike anything older than X, then what other reason could they possibly have but the art? it's not like the stories are any worse or anything.I would just like to point out that not everyone who dislikes older anime does so because of the art. No one actually said that, but it really does feel like it gets implied sometimes. |
| One Piece for its art. Appears chidish. |
miereneronaile said: That may be so, but when you bear in mind that many older stories like Shakespeare's plays or Alice in Wonderland are still loved and acclaimed to this day, it is quite clear that a good story is timeless.I would just like to point out that not everyone who dislikes older anime does so because of the art. No one actually said that, but it really does feel like it gets implied sometimes. Sure, there are plenty of older anime, I am not denying that, but it seems illogical to overlook the good ones because there were other stories from the same era that are bad, just like it would be to overlook a really good anime from this decade because the bad anime this decade has produced. Therefore, the only logical reason to avoid older anime is because of the aesthetics. When I say "aesthetics", I don't just mean the animation quality, but also the audio quality (in terms of voice acting, music composition and technical quality), the aspect ratio, the overall art style and the lack of moe, which can also defined as an aesthetic in regards to the design of the female characters. Baman said: You forgot to mention the one anime that has to deal with both of those problems, Baman. You should know which one I am talking about. And the way to get people to watch it is to mention the historical accuracy and the general darkness of said series, seeing as a historical series rooted in reality has no phallic symbolism to fall back on.deadleeserious said: Yep. Most anime pre-digital colour. Too many people missing great stories because of "bad art." Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Mobile Suit Gundam, Hokuto no Ken, et cetera. Really sad how shallow people will disregard great series because they don't look as flashy as the new stuff. I've also seen Revolutionary Girl Utena being judged because of it's rosy and girly appearance. That's usually where I mention the staggering amount of phallic symbolism. |
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| I held off soul eater for quite a while because I didn't like the appearance of the characters, despite the fact that it sounds really good. Then again I've bought the first part of it now so I'm going to watch it some time fairly soon. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
Pessoa said: One Piece for its art. Appears chidish. This. So many people miss a journey of a lifetime, dark government conspiracies, murder, slaughter, human trade, racism, homicide, war, ancient weapons of mass destruction, reincarnation of wills, 100 years of history completely wiped out/covered up by the government, Islands wiped out from existance for "learning" too much and many more things because of this "childish art in the beginning". I agree in the first few arcs it looks childish but as the story progresses, it really does improve. Also, Hajime No Ippo is in a similar case. The art is really old-fashioned and that isn't doing one of the best anime I've ever seen (imo) any justice. Season 2 improves this problem and makes some drastic changes though. |
| Initial D - Bland CGI animation races can turn away viewers but damn it you'll never see any other great drifting action in anime ever. |
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Akito_Kinomoto said: Yvese said: I think any anime that has ecchi or moe on the cover or first ep is automatically judged 'terrible' by a lot of people here. You think? That's pretty much the entire anime community these days for some reason. Funny how that works eh? Eh? Agreed. The new seasonal anime are all about ecchi or moe or school and although the get terrible feedback, they are able to attract a huge audience, not that i have a problem with that but i tend to stay away form those kinds of titles, except for the really interesting ones. That being said,Take a look at Yu Yu Hakusho or DBZ, the animation is pretty dated yet i can always watch it over and over again without getting bored. Take a look at um Puella Magi Madoka Magica. Do not let the cover deceive you as it's one of the most amazing anime i watched ( and i hate magical girls, even sailor moon). Again im compelled to watch Princess Tutu just because of the name and sadly i probably wont watch it. Im just gonna stick to Shounen or Seinen anime now. |
IciBurnApr 19, 2012 10:51 AM
miereneronaile said: But still, as you say yourself, you don't dislike old anime themselves, you dislike some old anime that contains the annoyances you've mentioned. And maybe that makes you more sceptical to old anime in general, sure, but it's still not the same as the old "Herp derp I dun liek old anniemays" that a lot of people have.@baman I shall try and explain why I have a dislike of older anime. Its fairly complicated, not entirely rational and probably unfair of me, but here gos. Also, I'd say the objectifying of women happens just as much in recent anime, if not more. Though it also naturally depends on the genre, both Touch and Ranma are shounen series, so it shouldn't be a surprise. At the same time, you've got stuff like Rose of Versailles and LoGH that don't do that, RoV even have women as the primary protagonists. So I'd say that's more a genre thing than a matter of age. |
Pessoa said: One Piece for its art. Appears chidish. ..*know what im just gonna edit this since fanbois are retarded*(I would no since im a fanboi シ) But One Piece is probably the most popular anime/manga out there. How is it done injustice if it's the best selling manga of all time :/ |
IciBurnApr 19, 2012 4:26 PM
| Oban Star Racers, FOR SURE. I know a LOT of people avoid it and drop it early because 1. It's accessable to kids and 2. The art is unique and not generic anime art and they don't have noses, so it freaks people out. It's a shame because it's an AMAZING series. It tells a story without having to be disgusting or offensive in anyway. It's pure, fun, and just plain delightful. Not to mention the art and characters have a TON of charm, and the relationships between them are great. |
| I guess that any Mahou Shoujo genre anime. Most people think they'll be less manly or something if they watch these things. |
| 「レミ咲が今日のティータイム。」- RemiSaku ga kyou no tea time! |
FauxAzn said: Good one. And that reminds me, Kaiba could be thrown in here too. Just look at the art, it's so misleading. Trust me, it is not a children's anime, and that's without mentioning people who start imagining a Blue Eyes White Dragon when they hear the name "Kaiba".Kaiji – WTF, who threw up on the character designs?! . And Simoun would count too for people imagining it as a full-blown yuri series when it really isn't (All humans in Simoun are born female and choose their gender when they come of age.The girls have yet to choose their gender). And then you have Saraiya Goyou, which could probably be imagined as a "boring samurai show with weird art". |
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Morbyllan said: I guess that any Mahou Shoujo genre anime. Most people think they'll be less manly or something if they watch these things. Agreed simply because im one of those guys. I cant handle to much moe but that's just me |
ZBurn said: Pessoa said: One Piece for its art. Appears chidish. But One Piece is probably the most overatted anime/manga out there. How is it done injustice if it's the best selling manga of all time :/ Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's the most overrated thing ever. It takes more than a decent Mangaka to write a consistent story for over 12-13 years and still peak interest and sell every single week. There is a reason why it is popular and Japan clearly sees this. Hell, the plot is just as interesting and organized as it was since day one. I'm more interested in One Piece now than I've ever been and it's been a decade. |
| Gundam AGE is a fine example of this it isn't that bad in fact its very good especially episode 16 on. No one gave it a chance from the get go and judged it on the promo art and trailer. Its not for kids people its for pre-teens cause if it were for kids it would have aired in the morning timeslot instead of Sunday evening. I quite like the art its unique and different. |
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-Shuda- said: ZBurn said: Pessoa said: One Piece for its art. Appears chidish. But One Piece is probably the most overatted anime/manga out there. How is it done injustice if it's the best selling manga of all time :/ Just because something is popular doesn't mean it's the most overrated thing ever. It takes more than a decent Mangaka to write a consistent story for over 12-13 years and still peak interest and sell every single week. There is a reason why it is popular and Japan clearly sees this. Hell, the plot is just as interesting and organized as it was since day one. I'm more interested in One Piece now than I've ever been and it's been a decade. Sorry but i didn't mean One piece being overrated as a bad thing. I love OnePiece it's my favorite Manga. The person who i replied to put made it seem that OP was done injustice because of it's art when that's obviously that's not the case so chill. Im a Shounen/Seine guy btw |
| I don't get it people who don't like ecchi and fan service, i don't get them , im a psychologist, philosopher, shrink, psychiatrist and what not all these things put together and i still don't get people who don't like good looking art and fan service. I guess the short , logical and easy answer is : They are all queers and idiots. and for the record, i prefer ecchi stuff but i enjoyed LoGH as well. dot |
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| I started watching Infinite Stratos, thinking it would be just a tasteless Harem, but when I watched it, I found out that the setting was crap too. I mean, it's a Harem, the premise should be simple and easy. But I was surprised when they made it slightly more complicated and botched it up. My assumption based on it's appearance was proved wrong. |
incisorr said: I don't get it people who don't like ecchi and fan service, i don't get them. Same reason that not everyone likes certain genres. There's nothing that you can get everyone to agree on. I figure that there are two main reasons that people avoid fanservice. One is that they don't watch anime alone. (Don't wanna be caught seeing an ecchi series!) Either that, or ecchi series ruin their "pure" views on anime. They don't wanna feel like perverts while watching the show. The other is usually that ecchi series are pretty mediocre and start seeming like clones of one another. And that brings us back to topic. @OP, Witchblade was pretty damned good. Its a shame people judge a book by its cover, but that can't be helped. When there's hundreds of anime to be seen and you don't wanna waste a lot of time, you almost have no choice but to judge a book by its cover. |
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| Well you show 2 points here but both of these points are incredibly ridiculous for anyone with brain and logic, or Sheldon I don't like horrors cause im not into stuff like that, but good looking people is entirely different thing, everyone likes good looking people because thats how humans are programmed. As for the "pure image of animes" since when are animes pure? every 2nd anime even if it has childish looks has chars with lots of revealing clothes or random fanservices here and there( I am perfectly fine with all that), in the end thats just a pure delusion and a person looking only one side of the coin and pretending that the other one doesn't even exist, thats just plain stupid and it proves my point that people who don't like ecchis are usually idiots as for your 2nd point, that is a bad type of generalizing things, just because you met 20 dumb and 5 smart from <Country X> you can't say that there are no smart people in that <country x> and that you'll never find someone that can even be more than "just a guy/girl i know" to you , which points out to people who actually think this way are quite shallow and stupid In the end we reach the same conclusions i reached year ago. it all comes down to this> people will never be satisfied and always need something to bitch for, "oh this anime would have been so good if it didn't have such a horny art, i had a boner while watching it and thats why i missed the brilliant story, THIS IS AWFUL!" |
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| http://myanimelist.net/anime/9941/Tiger_&_Bunny i remember looking at the art and thinking it looks terrible and that i wouldnt ever watch it, ends up being my favorite anime of 2011 |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
ZBurn said: one piece the most over rated anime/manga out there?Pessoa said: One Piece for its art. Appears chidish. But One Piece is probably the most overatted anime/manga out there. How is it done injustice if it's the best selling manga of all time :/ Then what the fuck does that make bleach code geass and death note? |
Immahnoob said: Jizzy, I know you have no idea how to argue for shit, tokiyashiro said: Jizzy as you would call yourself because youre a dick The most butthurt award goes to you And clearly you havent watched that many shows thats why you cant determine if a show is unique or not Or maybe you're just a child who likes common stuffs where hero saves the day and guys gets all the girls. Sad taste you have there kid you came up to me in the first place making you look more like a kid who got slapped without me even knowing it and start crying about it to me |
incisorr said: Depends on where it is though. You'd be daft to whine about Queens Blade having fanservice, since that's the whole point of it. But if LoGH suddenly started dropping comedically ecchi scenes or random upskirt views, that would certainly piss me off.I don't get it people who don't like ecchi and fan service, i don't get them , im a psychologist, philosopher, shrink, psychiatrist and what not all these things put together and i still don't get people who don't like good looking art and fan service. And as for why people wouldn't enjoy ecchi fanservice based anime, maybe they just don't like it, and want more quality entertainment instead. I can certainly relate, If I'm gonna watch jumping boobs and crap used for lame jokes for 20 minutes, I'd rather just watch some actual porn instead. |
-Shuda- said: Pessoa said: One Piece for its art. Appears chidish. This. So many people miss a journey of a lifetime, dark government conspiracies, murder, slaughter, human trade, racism, homicide, war, ancient weapons of mass destruction, reincarnation of wills, 100 years of history completely wiped out/covered up by the government, Islands wiped out from existance for "learning" too much and many more things because of this "childish art in the beginning". I agree in the first few arcs it looks childish but as the story progresses, it really does improve. Also, Hajime No Ippo is in a similar case. The art is really old-fashioned and that isn't doing one of the best anime I've ever seen (imo) any justice. Season 2 improves this problem and makes some drastic changes though. Well said on both counts. I'm currently watching both of these, and people who drop it or skip over great shows, not just these two, especially if it's because of the art style, are seriously missing out. |
| Shaft and their -gatari works. Need I say more? |
| 'I met many people. We were separated. And then reunited. This tune contains all those feelings.' - Nanaka Yatsushiro, Myself;Yourself, Episode 13  |
| Tiger and Bunny looked fucking terrible before it aired. Who knew it would be such a success? |
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| Panty and Stocking with Garterbelt. It sounds like crap, looks like crap, and some of the episodes features crap, but...Wait, I lost myself. Anyways, it has some awesome and over the top moments, not to mention the ending. I've never known that simultaneous laughing and raging was possible. |
| I hate to bring this one up, but, by all that is holy, I have to. One Piece. People take one look at the art and turn the other way. I think that some people would find that they actually enjoyed it if they didn't beeline for the door as soon as they saw the art. |
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RedStarLight said: incisorr said: I don't get it people who don't like ecchi and fan service, i don't get them. Same reason that not everyone likes certain genres. There's nothing that you can get everyone to agree on. I figure that there are two main reasons that people avoid fanservice. One is that they don't watch anime alone. (Don't wanna be caught seeing an ecchi series!) Either that, or ecchi series ruin their "pure" views on anime. They don't wanna feel like perverts while watching the show. The other is usually that ecchi series are pretty mediocre and start seeming like clones of one another. And that brings us back to topic. @OP, Witchblade was pretty damned good. Its a shame people judge a book by its cover, but that can't be helped. When there's hundreds of anime to be seen and you don't wanna waste a lot of time, you almost have no choice but to judge a book by its cover. OR ORRRRR There's also the whole.. You know... FEMALES WATCH ANIME TOO thing. I think fanservice is stupid and gets in the way of a good story. I don't enjoy it because quite frankly, panty shots and cammel toes don't do it for me, nor do I want to relate to one of 10 girls all fighting over one indecisive guy. I dunno, maybe I'm crazy or something. Not saying I don't get why guys like it- Of course they like it. They're guys. I'm not saying you should NOT like it, there's nothing wrong with that it's biologically built into your gender. But REALLY? You expect GIRLS to like it too? I can't imagine you enjoy Yaoi or reverse harems. (This is more directed at incissor, not you Redstar). I mean.. I.... Do you really expect me to enjoy panty flashes and boob grabs and the like? I'm sure some girls do, but many, like myself, don't. WHAT A SHOCK. |
AmberlehApr 19, 2012 7:59 PM
miereneronaile said: @amberleh Incisorr has a surprising inability to understand human thought for someone of his apparent experience, so it is not really surprising that he would be so totally wrong about something like this. Not even all men would like echi. I only like it when I specifically want something that has no meaning whatsoever. Some people actually do enjoy more in life than staring at girls bodies. I guess he will probably come to grasp this EVENTUALLY. Oh I agree with you, and I know all men do not. But I figured that since he wasn't grasping that concept I would present him with the other gender, which he has no basis for saying "How do you not like ecchi" to. Once in a while I even accept ecchi. In two particular series, I even believe it to be appropriate- High School of the Dead and Vandread. HSotD is like... It's already about zombies and just ridiculousness, ecchi just sort of makes sense in it and is, dare I say it, actually very funny. It's just one of those "Why the hell not?" sort of things. In the case of Vandread, it's about the differences between Men and Women, so ecchi is very appropriate and even necessary, although it's really not all that ecchi anyway and probably doesn't really even need the ecchi tag, but it's got it. |
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