"Tourist" is a stupid insult

When I see all your join dates, you're all tourists compared to me so...



Joke, love you all :D

Normally the dude would yell at the protesting crowd in the vid 'You're all immigrants!' :P

@Coaghim

All jokes aside, Users joining MAL as members is pretty irrelevant. I have been watching Anime before most Users were swimming in their fathers ball sack. Yeah I know I am just an old man now.

DONT

• Call for bans / censorship
  
• Call anything in fiction inherently "problematic"
  
• Create localizations that disrespect the writer or the Japanese culture etc
  
• Demand something stops being in anime or made less
  
• Be ignorant
  
• Be judgmental
  
• Insult and harass the fans
  
• Insult and harass the original writers and artists
  

DO

• Be tolerant of other's interests
  
• Learn about Japanese culture
  
• Mind your own business
  
• Watch just what you enjoy and drop what you dont
  
• Spend money on what you enjoy so it could maybe encourage more like it to be made
  

All violators will be rightfully called out for their their support of cultural imperialism against the Japanese people and colonization of the anime otaku community.

@traed

100% facts my friend.

Hopefully one day @LSSJ_Gaming will understand this.

@GoatPieceLuffy
That was not very respectful, there is no need to bring our personal feud into this

Well, when people who were never fans of anime come into it and start demanding it be changed to suit their tastes or get rid of things they deem "problematic", it's not really a surprise the term "tourist" is coined to describe said people.

I pretty much see this insult used to:

• Decry any person who may be new into watching Japanese animation as a "fake fan" or "just in it for the clout".
  
• Insinuate that people with progressive social views and views on media are "not real fans" and are "just here to complain" and calling them "Twitter freaks" (in spite of the fact that Twitter has become pretty much a right-wing conspiracy site at this point after Elon Musk's destroying of what little good the platform had).
  
• Insult anyone who critically analyzes the media they consume and questions aspects they think may have issues.
  
• Exclude women and queer people from the anime community and keep it this sort of "boys club".
  
• Insinuate that people who like popular shonen series are just "normies" and "boring".
  
• Similarly, it also seems to be used to insinuate people who like shoujo and josei manga have "shit taste".
  
• Insult younger viewers who may have only seen a few shows and are really passionate about what they've seen.
  

It's stupid, it's gatekeeping, and a most of the time it's just flat out rooted in hate and not wanting to let this community grow naturally as more people become interested in Japanese animation. There's no such thing as a "fake anime fan", and by the community keeping up this gatekeeping, it only worsens the general perception of this community further instead of allowing it to grow and become a better place. Even when it's used against newer fans, we all started somewhere. Sure, maybe we didn't have anyone to talk with about the stuff we loved depending on your age, but newer fans of this medium DO have the opportunity to talk with others right when they get into the medium, and we should be more like other communites and welcome these new people instead of casting them away and maybe even turning them off from engaging in the medium ever again.

DONT

• Call for bans / censorship
  
• Call anything in fiction inherently "problematic"
  
• Create localizations that disrespect the writer or the Japanese culture etc
  
• Demand something stops being in anime or made less
  
• Be ignorant
  
• Be judgmental
  
• Insult and harass the fans
  
• Insult and harass the original writers and artists
  

DO

• Be tolerant of other's interests
  
• Learn about Japanese culture
  
• Mind your own business
  
• Watch just what you enjoy and drop what you dont
  
• Spend money on what you enjoy so it could maybe encourage more like it to be made
  

All violators will be rightfully called out for their their support of cultural imperialism against the Japanese people and colonization of the anime otaku community.

Sounds like something a tourist would say ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

Tourists come from the fans on twitter who want to change anime to fit their criteria with inclusivity and so on rather than leaving the industry decide that for themselves. The best example of tourists it's the Uzaki-chan controversy about her age even if the first episode right out say she is an university student. So yeah those type of fans are bound to clash with those who accept the medium as it is.

I think it's because anime has gained a significant amount of popularity since COVID. I didn't start watching anything until 2018, but I was around anime since at least 2013, since I had friends that watched it and played some games that had heavy anime influence. Anime was much much more niche back then and had it's own culture and community. I think people get mad when newer people come in and complain about something that used to be less mainstream and attempt to change it.

Does "tourist" mean something other than foreigner here?

@traed

If you want anime to be seen as art, you can't assert that no one can criticize it. Criticizing the way in which certain media represents marginalized social groups or certain sexual dynamics happens with movies, books, TV, etc. So why not anime too?

Shitty localization is hardly an issue, people just don't understand the point or purpose of localization or how it works. There's like, a couple of genuinely bad localization jobs in the past few years and certainly nothing as bad as 4kidz or the sailor moon cousins debacle lmao.

@princefaking
What you are describing isn't even art critique most the time. Something has to be critiqued for what it is. You don't judge a fish for it's ability to bark like a dog and fly like a bird. For starters one shouldn't try and cirque some media on a deep level if it isnt even meant to be deep. One shouldn't try to crique one genre or theme as if it is something else entirely. For another one can't properly critique what they don't understand or know how to analyze to begin with because the critique will be misplaced. Lastly one should never try to critique something as if it's critiquing something in reality, that isn't art critique that is social commentary and often is out of place trying to link it to fiction beyond art imitates life or at least thoughts of some people.

You mentioned "marginalized social groups" yet claim localization "is hardly an issue" when it has done things like for example gay erasure and erasure of crossdressing replacing them with a trans character? Something like the Iranian government would do. So which is it?
https://nichegamer.com/seven-seas-apologizes-for-inaccurate-translation-of-i-think-i-turned-my-childhood-friend-into-a-girl/

@DigimonSommelier Anime fans sometimes use it to mean a fake anime fan basically

@traed This is one of the couple of bad localization jobs I was thinking of yeah. But it also doesn't matter now since they fixed it.

@princefaking
There is actually something nearly always done wrong according to the Japanese. Name order. I see even in most subs put given name in front of family name. As for how to get around confusion? Id think a symbol like a comma to denote the family name is placed first might help, im not sure what to do with dubs atm I know it makes sense to swap names in some fictional settings but not Japanese or other Southeast Asian ones.
https://web.archive.org/web/20200916112348/https://www.japantimes.co.jp/life/2020/09/15/language/japanese-name-order/

Though that isnt really well related to main topic of the thread since it isnt quite done by "tourists" rather most everyone.

@traed Localization isn't translation

""Tourist" is a stupid insult"

Maybe it's not an insult tho, just a behavior description.

@Tropisch Everyone was once not an anime fan. Were you watching anime as an embryo?

DONT

• Call for bans / censorship
  
• Call anything in fiction inherently "problematic"
  
• Create localizations that disrespect the writer or the Japanese culture etc
  
• Demand something stops being in anime or made less
  
• Be ignorant
  
• Be judgmental
  
• Insult and harass the fans
  
• Insult and harass the original writers and artists
  

DO

• Be tolerant of other's interests
  
• Learn about Japanese culture
  
• Mind your own business
  
• Watch just what you enjoy and drop what you dont
  
• Spend money on what you enjoy so it could maybe encourage more like it to be made
  

All violators will be rightfully called out for their their support of cultural imperialism against the Japanese people and colonization of the anime otaku community.