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| THIS IS AN ANIME ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS THE MANGA BEYOND THIS EPISODE. ---------------------------------------- Man, this episode is just an emotional roller coaster and crazy drama. The curse is still pretty evident and crazy how one of the guys decided to just pour gasoline in the house while laughing like an maniac. Poor Rika. Satoko is still savage as ever this episode. Keiichi vs Rena also turned into a hell of a fight. |
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| This episode was awesome, it recaps a really nice thing to the anime only experience: Hanyuu's daughter Ouka using the Onigari-no-Ryuou to kill her in the past. Visual Novel exclusive information when it comes to the OG arcs, the first anime skipped that entire sideplot. Wasn't for Higurashi Rei touching on that subject in the anime, Hanyuu's background would already be better developed than what it was in Deen's adaptations so far lol Great thing is that this, at least in terms of the anime, basically confirms that one tweet pinned in 07th Expansion's twitter for 2 months now. Saikoroshi is part of what makes Sotsu a whole and an end point of (the whole witch alter ego separation plot confirms it better, but they didn't link it as directly as in here). As for what came next, how devilish, the first thing she thought when she found out that Rika could remember was basically "Oh, now we can make her suffer even more with her remembering dear people to her killing her in the next loops!". Also, NEARLY ALL OF NEKODAMASHI in a single episode. feels good that they didn't take their time in just Witchtoko being artsy with her killings and only recapped the basic storytelling essentials here (also confirming my theory that Satoko got the damn sword). Now we just need the Satoko killing scene and the guntoko scene next ep. That cliffhanger is a bit sadistic tho, this will be a long ass week. This episode had a pretty funny moment too, Witchtoko just bringing a gun to a sword fight and shounen protagonizing the shit out of it like it was a minor nuisance. She is way too cocky, to memetic levels (kinda badass how she is stealing the scenes instead of just killing herself immediately (probably to entertain Eua) and that's just what a upscaled Satoko would act like, she is a cocky bastard since forever haha TranslatorPS said: However, the question remains - in the last loop seen, where K1 is batting everyone at the cafe... was Satoko only pretending and playing dead, or did she truly die before Rika? After all, wasn't Rika's death prior to her own one of the requirements for Satoko's powers to hold? And the other obvious question - Hanyuu Deus ex Machina or not? Can't say much about the first one just yet (though Satoko's head definitely isn't splatted like the other ones), but Hanyuu Ex Machina is usually a must, it wouldn't be Higurashi without her ex machina-ing her way in the final act lul |
DanpmssSep 9, 2021 9:56 AM
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| Without Hanyuu it's just watching Rika suffering at a 100% level in all these fragments, but now we're getting a Eua - Hanyuu confrontation??? |
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| The final arc of Higurashi Sotsu that is Kagurashi-hen...this feels a lot different than just being a new arc. This is the nearly full story of Nekodamashi-hen's answer arc based on Hanyuu's POV to protect Rika for as how many loops as she could to rewind her fate from being tormented by the Hundred Year calamity, what an undertaking. Not surprised that Satoko would know of this in the Sea of Fragments with Eua just lazing around and waiting for something to happen. Even Akasaka, Chieftain Kimiyoshi and the others got into the craze of being injected with H173 from Satoko, and Rika just going through the countless loops of getting brutally killed and subjected to Satoko's desire to trap her in 1983 Hinamizawa being the victim of Oyashiro-sama's wreath. It's finally time for both goddesses to face each other and stop this loop of a seizure. Told ya that all of Gou's question arcs will be covered in Sotsu, one way or another. |
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| Wait wtf no way it’s over that fast? Soon as the episode was getting good it ended😩 Hopefully Hanyuu can help out Rika indirectly or something. Absolute banger episode, one of my faves yet. It’s kinda wild how even to people in the loops, they can detect that Satoko isn’t quite satoko. She gives off a demonic aura, seeing her make quick work of Shion/Mion’s Mom was crazy. Can’t imagine how Rika is feeling rn, a century of death after death and now the only support you had thru that is gone. 2 more loops to go, hopefully she can finally end this. |
Marinate1016Sep 9, 2021 9:11 AM
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| Another boring episode of shit we've seen before, shockingly enough. Satoko took the sword before it broke and Hanyuu confronts Eua at the end, that's literally everything that happened this week. |
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| Oh okay, I forgot Rika is still technically the main character lmfao. I guess it's nice to have a recalling from Hanyuu's POV as well as the impressive performance of Rika's VA, but other than that, it's rinse-repeat, rinse-repeat, with Satoko's meddling with the shit with the help of that other deity that I'm sure is supposed to be opposing Hanyuu (for whatever reason). This isn't even tragic in a good way, it's still hilarious misery porn at best. Same energy regarding this episode: |
RyuseishunSep 9, 2021 9:38 AM
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Sondfer said: That was a really smooth blood splatter from Akane's head. But then they censored gore that was present in Gou. Did someone complained about it or it was Ryukishi? I think it has to do with the raw Funimation gets. They got the uncensored ones past a certain point in Gou but in Sotsu they've been getting the regular broadcast version. |
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| People who rated this 5/5, what drugs do you do and can you give me a number for your supplier? This was shittiest episode so far. 90% ripped stuff from gou. Pointless, why did I waste 5 minutes of my life to mostly skip whole episode? |
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Enerccio said: People who rated this 5/5, what drugs do you do and can you give me a number for your supplier? This was shittiest episode so far. 90% ripped stuff from gou. Pointless, why did I waste 5 minutes of my life to mostly skip whole episode? Eh, approximately 10:47 minutes of recontextualized recaps with at least 3 minutes of new scenes (and since they blazed through Nekodamashi, those are much better than many of the revisited extended cuts from previous arcs, like in episode 8), 9:55 minutes of Hanyuu goodness (1 and a half minutes of which were actually recapped from Gou). 3 mins of OP/ED that can be left out of that ratio. That's nowhere near 90% of the ep, stop exaggerating. |
DanpmssSep 9, 2021 10:05 AM
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Danpmss said: Enerccio said: People who rated this 5/5, what drugs do you do and can you give me a number for your supplier? This was shittiest episode so far. 90% ripped stuff from gou. Pointless, why did I waste 5 minutes of my life to mostly skip whole episode? Eh, approximately 10:47 minutes of recontextualized recaps with at least 3 minutes of new scenes (and since they blazed through Nekodamashi, those are much better than many of the revisited extended cuts from previous arcs, like in episode 8), 9:55 minutes of Hanyuu goodness (1 and a half minutes of which were actually recapped from Gou). 3 mins of OP/ED that can be left out of that ratio. That's nowhere near 90% of the ep, stop exaggerating. First 5 minutes. Then everything else is recap or satoko being satoko which is pointless. Then last 30 seconds. Sure, I wasn't exact quoting 90% but it felt like that. If that is 5/5 anime for you, what the fuck dude. |
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Wow, condensing two episodes into one? What an impressive feat. Just for those who haven't realized it yet, the black comedy episode from Gou they butchered here via overexplaining was episode 15. And here we're commenting Sotsu's episode 12. This is going at almost the same pace as Gou with zero added value. This series is terrorific. Let's pray that next week we get SOMETHING, but I'd put my money on it recapping how Satoko stabbed Rika with a hoe and ending on the trap-box scene for yet another week of nothing. Sasuga. |
| Hell yea the 12th consecutive episode where nothing new happens. This is like watching Endless 8 if Endless 8 was 10x shittier and 20x more pointless. I am convinced that Ryukishi actually died after writing Umineko and they made a clone to replace him except they only had time to clone 3 of his brain cells. I have no idea how else you could even fuck up your own concepts and stories so badly and somehow managed to miss all the messages/themes of your previous stories. I can't wait for them to tie Featherine's origin story to that shitty alien arc. This is the only show I can remember that somehow managed to shit on another show with every reference. Anyway, I can't wait to watch the next episode. |
| I want to love this season, I really do. But the last 5 or so episodes now have been mostly recap filler of what happened in Gou. I get they're giving us answer arcs and all, but do we really need to be sitting through re-watching Gou again just to get to the new scenes? Like geez. It's tedious. I've already re-watched Gou like three times to make sure I understood everything before this season aired, now it feels I'm watching it a fourth time, with a few new scenes here and there. Other than that, I'm not sure how I feel about what they're doing with Satoko at this point, and I'm not looking forward to the next episode where we will most likely get another recap of episod 16 of Gou, plus the Hanyuu & Eua confrontation. |
| It would be kino if next episode was a recap too. This would mean Sotsu could be the first anime where if you only watch the last two episodes you get approximately the same experience of someone who watched it all. Revolutionary stuff. |
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Enerccio said: Danpmss said: Eh, approximately 10:47 minutes of recontextualized recaps with at least 3 minutes of new scenes (and since they blazed through Nekodamashi, those are much better than many of the revisited extended cuts from previous arcs, like in episode 8), 9:55 minutes of Hanyuu goodness (1 and a half minutes of which were actually recapped from Gou). 3 mins of OP/ED that can be left out of that ratio. That's nowhere near 90% of the ep, stop exaggerating. First 5 minutes. Then everything else is recap or satoko being satoko which is pointless. Then last 30 seconds. Sure, I wasn't exact quoting 90% but it felt like that. If that is 5/5 anime for you, what the fuck dude. Not a 5/5 for me, not sure why you are assuming that. I just said it wasn't 90% at all, and that you are exaggerating. With how much they covered from Neko in a single episode compared to the pacing of the recaps so far, this episode FELT like 5 minutes on itself, if anything. |
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SnowballP said: Wow, condensing two episodes into one? What an impressive feat. Just for those who haven't realized it yet, the black comedy episode from Gou they butchered here via overexplaining was episode 15. And here we're commenting Sotsu's episode 12. This is going at almost the same pace as Gou with zero added value. That's a bold statement considering that from episode 1 alone in Sotsu we already got a much better adaptation from Rena's backstory than Tsumihoroboshi in the first anime, but okay. I'd put my money on it recapping how Satoko stabbed Rika with a hoe and ending on the trap-box scene for yet another week of nothing. Sasuga. Considering the pacing in here, those should be covered in the first half of the episode, unless they do Hanyuu plot and THEN do just that. In each case, that's the curse of revisited arc structures in Higurashi. Even in Meakashi there was quite a chunk of text that was just Shion's perspective of something else (chapters 15 through 24 were basically Watanagashi in her perspective, and that was more than half of the content of the VN). Thing is, in text it feels much better, Both Gou and Sotsu would benefit a lot of a visual novel format, and I personally think most of the pacing problems are a medium problem. the 24 minutes format definitely doesn't help, the adaptated script padded quite a few scenes it didn't have to. |
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| This ep. is ridiculous - Satoko broke part of the sword when she pull it out. But the sword didn't break into pieces when it fell to the ground. - This is the first fragment Satoko knows about the sword but in Watadamashi/Akashi, the sword has already gone. Plot hole? Retcon? - I love how they avoided showing how did Satoko inject people because there is no way it would will be believable. - Satoko can dodge sword like a pro now. LOL. ...................... Satoko was very lucky that Rika didn't commit suicide with that sword shard. That was totally a miscalculation on her plan. Anyway, Satoko might be able to take the sword out without breaking it in another fragments. Hanyuu's action in this ep. is interesting especially at the end where she went to see Eua. Look like we will get to know more about Eua in next ep. (hopefully) |
| Alrighty, glad to see Rika's former self in Anime form. But other than that Im pleasantly suprised that they didnt drag Nekodamashi out for two episodes. God bless Passione. But the repeating content though. Its painful as all heck. WHY did we need to be fed all that stuff too. Why? @TranslatorPS asked whether Satoko was dead when K1 attacked Angel mort. Obviously no. She would have lost Rika forever then. |
Danpmss said: That's a bold statement considering that from episode 1 alone in Sotsu we already got a much better adaptation from Rena's backstory than Tsumihoroboshi in the first anime. I d¡sagree. Haven't read the VN so I'm not judging it on how well adapted it was, but I think the scene was conveyed much more poorly than in the 2006 anime. There the conversation with her mom went for Rena's gut reactions to the exact lines her mom says to her instead of the melodramatic and kind of ridiculous scene we got from episode 1 of this. I think the 2006 anime managed to put the viewer on Rena's mindset with better directing and less dialogue, and this fell into the same pitfalls as the rest of Sotsu. Still, even all of that is irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Sotsu is barely a story about Rena and the rest of Rika's friends as OG Higurashi was. That arc and everything we got until now is filler with regards to the narrative of this show. Danpmss said: Thing is, in text it feels much better, Both Gou and Sotsu would benefit a lot of a visual novel format, and I personally think most of the pacing problems are a medium problem. I don't really know, man. I think Sotsu is so devoid of content than in VN form it would be even more excruciating. Here at least we get cool VAing and a pretty decent visual presentation. I'd rather get it as a regular novel (or light novel) so I could read it diagonally and skip all of this going in circles. |
SnowballPSep 9, 2021 11:30 AM
This is how it should have been from the beginning. The fact that theres excitement about this is telling. |
Chargecoulomb said: This is how it should have been from the beginning. The fact that theres excitement about this is telling. I know right? But I did try to make an edit just to be sure it was possible, and it wasn't really. Just posted in here (the newest thread). |
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| The real horror of this show is the psychological torture the viewer has to go through while watching it. This is the 12th episode of recaps in a 15 episode season. What a spectacular failure in storytelling this has been. This episode had 2 1/2 minutes of new, relevant information. Those being the 1 1/2 minute scene where Satoko finds the sword, and the 1 minute scene at the end with Hanyuu and Eua. The rest was just more recap of Kai, Rei, and Gou ​or stuff that was super obvious to anyone that has seen the end of Gou or any of Sotsu. I feel genuinely bad for anyone who has low enough standards to think this is good. |
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| So they wasted another episode recapping the speedrun worlds. I guess there was some new content but it's so fucking stupid that Satoko and that bitch can watch even Rika's conversations with Hanyuu. Even to the point of spilling the sword's existence but I guess the tip will conveniently break off every time Satoko tried to pull it out in the future. Or maybe it will just be present or missing next time Rika tried to take it. Regardless if Rika can remember who killed her now then she'll remember if Satoko shoots her meaning this game should have to conclude soon whenever they decide to continue the plot. Only 3 episodes to do it though. |
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| At least we should be seeing entirely new stuff mainly soon. |
| Thanks for wasting a quarter of this episode on recapping the events of Kai, Sotsu. That aside, while the stuff with Hanyu was still fairly interesting, it was still little more than a backdrop for another 5 minutes of virtually recapped content. It should not have taken half of this episode to get to Satoko learning about the sword able to kill loopers and stealing (most of) it before Rika can find it, nor should it have then taken the rest of the episode to flick through those loops Gou sped through to get to the reveal. I guess Hanyu finding Featherine makes for an interesting cliffhanger, if the show actually follows through with it and doesn't just continue to be mostly recaps again next episode. |
| So if we take Hanyuu's story as it is told here then she knew from the very first loop that Takano and Yamainu are the culprits. Lol?Okay.So she is just a bitch. "You never gave up" Wow, did we saw the same Rick-chan Hanyuu?Like, she had already given up until Tsumihoroboshi. Discount recap of Kai's end. Cant say I am surprised. Rika perfectly explaining why the plot of Sotugou is bullshit. And damn we were so close at Satoko getting killed...tch.No wound later on...okay... Bwahahaha, Satoko avoiding a katana like a master....Bruh this director. "There are no better storytellers that you"-Eua Tohya ,Ikuko, Beatrice, Eva and who knows how many Forgers - *triggered*. I wonder if we got even 5 minutes of new content without all those OG and Gou recaps from different angles. And seeing the same uncensored scenes we saw now censored is just silly.Not the fault of the studio but come on. Enerccio said: People who rated this 5/5, what drugs do you do and can you give me a number for your supplier? This was shittiest episode so far. 90% ripped stuff from gou. Pointless, why did I waste 5 minutes of my life to mostly skip whole episode? The fact that each new ep is worse than the previous ones and people still call them "awesome", "5/5", "amazing" means that the only explanation is certainly an unknown, Knox prohibited drug. Vell- said: Director-san must really think of the audience as complete morons....which I can understand since so many act as if these are good or needed.I cant take this anymore. After 11 whole episodes of recaps I thought we finally can resume the actual plot that had been put on hold for 20 or something episodes now. But they actually did it and felt it necessary to show us the exact same things from the rika killing speedrun arc yet again as well throughout the entire episode with nothing of substance to add to it other than yes, satoko did it. I think after all this time even the most disengaged of people should have gotten the point by now. I genuinely cannot believe the lack of selfawareness it takes as a director / writer or whoever is responsible for this to go through with a structure of a season this fundamentally flawed and disrespectful towards the audiences time and patience. This is not how you construct this type of question arc / answer arc formular. Directly going back to previous parts of the story and just spoonfeed the audience "answers" by saying "this is exactly how that happened, this is exactly how this happened" is the most lamest and boring narrative structure you can possibly think of. Ryukishi understood this from the very beginning and wrote the answers arcs of the og higurashi to be relatively profound, with substance, as their own stories with their own new things to say while carefully supplementing the answers arcs they are parallels to. Absolutely none of that is present here. The timeloop plot here is used as the most blatant excuse to save money by just recycling the same scenes again that I have ever seen in media so far. Just what the heck happened? Im a silent spectator when it comes to watching series but this has pushed even me to finally vent my fustration here. What a disappointment. |
| Gou was dumb but it at least it was fun dumb. This is just tedious dumb. Those scenes were definitely not worth revisiting with how little was added, and going through them one by one just feels extremely rote and going through the motions. I was hoping they wouldn't go with the "magical purple light duel of the witches" shit but here we are. Hanyuu feels shoehorned in, appearing due to the power of purple light magic. The magic stuff should not be at the forefront because it feels cheap, like anything can happen. And that long expository dump explaining away everything about Hanyuu is not only delivered in a boring way, but also completely takes away from the mystery of Oyashiro-Sama which is an unsatisfying way to brush aside one of the central sources of horror in Higurashi. Granted you could say Kai does the same thing; but it's worse having to hear it for a second time, and for a character who is has so far been so underdeveloped in this series that her sudden significance feels like a deux ex machina. What I am dreading: -Magical witch battle between witch and Hanyuu -Satoko's split personality nonsense -More repeats. Thankfully there doesn't seem to be that much more content they can reuse, save for the"intestine drifting" scene which is probably the most memorable scene in Gou. I don't mind them reusing a little bit unless they don't add anything significant (which they haven't done so far, but maybe they'll surprise me). What I am looking forward to: -The culimination of Teppei's character arc -Rika and Satoko trying to stab each other with the looper killer knife |
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Haunt-bot said: Bold of you to assume that Teppei will be relevant again.What I am looking forward to: -The culimination of Teppei's character arc -Rika and Satoko trying to stab each other with the looper killer knife If the story follows the same recipe as for the other MAIN characters then that means his screen time is over. |
| It seems like it's impossible to close this up in 3 epizodes. If they gonna do another season or make more episodes I may turn a blind eye on these recaps in Sotsu. It seems like gou first half was question arc, 2nd half was answer arc and sotsu is again a question arc. Wtc universe always been one big recap, I just hope it will payoff later. |
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ssjokg said: Haunt-bot said: Bold of you to assume that Teppei will be relevant again.What I am looking forward to: -The culimination of Teppei's character arc -Rika and Satoko trying to stab each other with the looper killer knife If the story follows the same recipe as for the other MAIN characters then that means his screen time is over. There are 4 episodes left. I have JUST ENOUGH faith to still believe the Teppei stuff will mean something in the end... anything, even if it's stupid. One thing I feel from the creator is that he really wants to redeem everyone, which I find is at the very least endearing. I predict that Teppei will play a key role in "saving" Satoko, something like this: "Arigatou, ojiisan, you made me realize blah blah blah". And then Rika will get to go to school while Satoko lives happily ever after with Teppei. |
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| Rena saying "This is all just a bad dream" is the summary of my Sotsugou experience. They just gave up regarding injections because Satoko can always inject everyone by putting them to sleep. Also she has the benefit of CCTV to know whatever happens between Rika and Hanyuu. All these convenient cheats she has takes away all sort of her appeal even as a bitchy antagonistic character. Cannot believe I might like Myne from Shield Hero better after this because she's better written. Writers, what have you done? Reused shots, retold lore, OP-ED taking 3 minutes - all fckin useless stuff to get into a 30sec cliffhanger. Say, I am glad that they finished the 5 trials saga in one episode; setting up a third season would be scary. In fact, I never wanted so much for a show to not have a sequel before. If Ryu is trying to make us audience feel the same as the repetitive agony of Rika and the boredom of Eua (who's ironically enjoying this through copium), he's succeeding. 3 more weeks, still curious how many asspulls, deus-ex-machina, rushed resolutions, vague endings, inconsistent developments and silly twists they'll need to terminate this shitsu. |
| "All truth is meaningless. In the end, 'meaning' comes from the mind of each individual human. Even when there is a single truth, it can mean different things to different individuals. The truth has no meaning in itself!" - Erika Furudo |
Good luck with that, they established this episode Satoko is a ninja. |
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Haunt-bot said: 3 episodes. I dont know where your faith comes from but good luck with that.ssjokg said: Bold of you to assume that Teppei will be relevant again. If the story follows the same recipe as for the other MAIN characters then that means his screen time is over. There are 4 episodes left. I have JUST ENOUGH faith to still believe the Teppei stuff will mean something in the end... anything, even if it's stupid. One thing I feel from the creator is that he really wants to redeem everyone, which I find is at the very least endearing. I predict that Teppei will play a key role in "saving" Satoko, something like this: "Arigatou, ojiisan, you made me realize blah blah blah". And then Rika will get to go to school while Satoko lives happily ever after with Teppei. |
| Ok, not gonna lie, at the very beginning I was almost getting excited. Seeing that baby Rika, half of me expected and most of me hoped that the studio would have been ridiculous enough to give us one smol baby Nipaa~ ... but no. The first time Rika got killed was like that? Uhh... come on... That's... That's not very Yamainu, let alone Takano like. They're more subtle and covert about their actions. Get her while she sleeps and so on. If there was anything... Anything I wanted to see in this episode, it would have been to witness the bullshit explanation of how Satoko managed to inject Akasaka.. nope. Of course we didn't see it.. First the dodging and then that CGI splatter.. Smh. Also, why wouldn't Satoko just let her head roll off, why the effort? To show us she's badass or something? So Satoko just happened to have a watch when spectating the drowning? Are they trying to tell us she's been carrying one all the time? Damn she's resourcefull. Ok Satoko took the sword, one point I missed in GOU.. Will she now do that on every fragment? Will Rika get a shard everytime as well? I bet this was the only instance of this happening, but nonetheless, Yellow Gremlin will be in the possession of the sword and Rika will carry the shard through all the fragments. I wonder how Noriko felt doing this Eua role, repeating the same lines over and over again, barely saying anything else. The director really wants to force some things down to us. Atleast the end was somewhat interesting, Hanyuu meeting with Eua. I wonder if anything will come out of it. Enerccio said: This pretty much sums it up.People who rated this 5/5, what drugs do you do and can you give me a number for your supplier? This was shittiest episode so far. 90% ripped stuff from gou. Pointless, why did I waste 5 minutes of my life to mostly skip whole episode? |
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| Now that Satoko has the plotmcguffin sword, wonder if theyll show her using its teleportation and reality warping powers. Theres something weird about the sword. Hanyuu = Oni Sword = Kills Oni and is a gateway for Hanyuus 5th demensional pals (supposedly) How is this thing supposed to Kill loopers? It killing Rika makes sense. Since she must be part Oni herself. Why would it kill Satoko? And why is there a gurantee that it would kill anyone? Ouka spilled hanyuus guts with it, but woo hee shes fine now isnt she? I doubt this mcguffin sword can kill anyone. A toothpick must be a more effective weapon. q |
ChargecoulombSep 9, 2021 2:29 PM
Si1verR0se said: The same Magic Pocket where her gun is.Where did Satoko store the sword? Would've been fun if Rika did killed her in that exact fragment, too bad creators didn't have balls to do something creative No. It would have been funny and extremely ballsy move to let that sword drop on her. |
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