Fate/Grand Order: Zettai Majuu Sensen Babylonia Episode 21 Discussion

uninstallthegame said:
watching it for above average to good action scenes and waifu content was enough

thepath said:
Not bad but overrated. I liked Fate/Apocrypha more than this

Deathordead said:
One of the big flaw of visual novel anime is: they are so heavily narrated base on the main character view. Almost all scenes in Babylonia have Gudao in there even though he serve no purpose in the that scene. First why they just keep talking to Gudao. Let other characters talk to each other without Gudao. Let them share a conversation that only servants or people have been through alot share with each other. Since Fate verse have large amount of characters with deep lore they should expand their stories. For example, a moment between Merlin and Romany about grand caster or their perspective about each other that just them along. Secondly why servants keep fallen for this Gudao guys beside the only reason I can think of he is a main fck characters which is a very weak reason. Servants heavily favor Gudao just because he exist is so stupid Second why the anime have to bring Gudao everywhere. He is a master, he should be in a safe place instead of heading to battle. Why Mash and other companion can't solve their problem without Gudao and always act like they have no brain. I have no problem read Babylonia in FGO but in the anime adapt including Gudao scenes need to be greatly reduce. I honest dont want to see the moment between Bedi and Arthoria meet at the end after all these years but Gudao and Mash standing in the background acting surprise "I have enough of their moments acting surprise in babylonia"

Swagernator said:
So it finally ended huh .. well time to break the euphorium, because babylonia TV anime is a great example of when form wins over content. On one side we have most of the time high quality animation, beautiful character designs, amazing ost .. but on the other hand the void when comes to its story, or characters .. most of the characters rely on characterizations from their different Fate/self. Like Ishtar , just reskined Rin from fsn, Gil ? just gil from fsn again just less edge and mongreling around. Eresh ? Just reskined Ishtar of reskined Rin. Quetzs, Leonidas, Ushiwakamaru or Sidur- .. literally THE who ? "Enkidu" ? Dude majority of the story he dont know who he wants to be (just like Nasu when he wrote this chapter). Jaguar man ? again .. fsn saving the day. Mash ? If you think she actually got a character development in those previous singularities, she dont. Shes "ganbatte" this "ganbarimasu" that girl that is here to cheer the mc everytime he is written to not know what to do. Camelot was where her character reached its peak, here she is again just another supporting girl in mc-kun harem.

Yes the MC .. dont you even think about it, an empty box since day one. You cant build a serious story when the main character literaly does not exist. It took them 5 singularities and a prologue to come up with a story that is somehow at least worth the adaptation, that speaks for it self. The attempts from the anime staff to inject an actual personality are worth a mention but in the end its not enough. This show is being heavily carried by your previous knowledge of fate instalments, so in the end this show cant stand on its own. You gonna gatekeep that this was made for die-hard fans ? Yes it was .. so fans now accept mediocre plot packed in a high quality animation package ? With some jpeg waifus brought to life as a bonus ? Story arcs that are being written for events and for meeting the release deadlines ? Give me a break.

Now, i dont blame the anime team for this .. the team just did their best with what was given to them. The problem was brought with the source material. Before whales gonna eat me alive i enjoyed this anime, but only its form. Before they gonna tell me "bUt yOU nEEd tO REaD tHe prEViouS sInGUlarITieS tO trUly uNDerStaND" i did, they bad. The plot structure and character writting in them is as thin as a paper, almost as bad as the rest of the game itself. Camelot and Babylonia are the only ones "worth" an adaptation (even fgo fans knew that, that's why they voted for those two the most lol), but even that adaptation is only like a tech demo, where you just flex how good all looks and moves, but that's it. It's like remaking a white board .. you can put a new paint on it but its still just a blank white board ... with holes.

Now little off topic, if you finished this show and you're like "Uuu, this was great i cant wait to see whats next for fgo in terms of anime" well, guess what .. this was the peak of fgo, everything after this point is a soup of uninteresting story arcs and in general lack of ideas or direction. Well, that is if you're not a fan of gundams or constant reuse of already known characters ofc, if you are, then you gonna have a time of your life.



6/10. It would actually be 4/10 but i like Rin so. If this is the standard for fate in terms of TV then God help us all. Third HF movie can't come soon enough so i can bleach my eyes with it. Again, i'm not disappointed with this show, i simply knew exactly what it will be even before it was out. Just visually stunning parade full of community popular characters to boost sales of a mobage, nothing to call home about and definitely not worth the fandom overhype.

Deathordead said:
One of the big flaw of visual novel anime is: they are so heavily narrated base on the main character view. Almost all scenes in Babylonia have Gudao in there even though he serve no purpose in the that scene. First why they just keep talking to Gudao. Let other characters talk to each other without Gudao. Let them share a conversation that only servants or people have been through alot share with each other. Since Fate verse have large amount of characters with deep lore they should expand their stories. For example, a moment between Merlin and Romany about grand caster or their perspective about each other that just them along. Secondly why servants keep fallen for this Gudao guys beside the only reason I can think of he is a main fck characters which is a very weak reason. Servants heavily favor Gudao just because he exist is so stupid Second why the anime have to bring Gudao everywhere. He is a master, he should be in a safe place instead of heading to battle. Why Mash and other companion can't solve their problem without Gudao and always act like they have no brain. I have no problem read Babylonia in FGO but in the anime adapt including Gudao scenes need to be greatly reduce. I honest dont want to see the moment between Bedi and Arthoria meet at the end after all these years but Gudao and Mash standing in the background acting surprise "I have enough of their moments acting surprise in babylonia"

Swagernator said:
Babylonia: 6/10.
Last Encore: 6/10

Rebelblade71 said:
Fandom was just happy it did not end up purely as a generic wish fulfillment story like Apocrypha so it isn't exactly overrated. That anime is disliked by the fandom and the source is considered the worst in terms of quality.
This anime was made with the FGO fandom who appreciate the game plot in mind first and foremost and adapts the game pretty well. And read the Apocrypha light novel if you haven't already to see how A-1 butchered it. Let's just say they made horrible changes/removal for pleasing weebs or playing safe for political correctness (removing stuff related to Abortion in Jack's backstory).

EmphaticPikachu said:
I can't help but agree in retrospect with the fear that the adaption was in many ways way too safe the vast majority of the run. They did some good things (making fujimaru bond with ushi comes to mind), but without all the different emotional subplots, the anime felt very flat in many respects, and struggled to stay fully engaging at times when the anime just simply due to the quaintness of it.
I think that review on sakurablog said it best when it praised the way the faces distorted and struggled and the mood and atmosphere were so harsh during episode 18...Exgeration, distortion, mood, atmosphere, the anime was unintentionally dull so much of the time. So bright it hurt at times.

Hatsuyuki said:


Didn't realize modern day japan laws apply in ancient Uruk but okay. Yeah apart from episode 19 this was extremely mediocre, generous 6/10

I'm not sure if I'm up for more Fate/Grand Order anime from this point forward, i need to get off this wild ride.

ImbalancedEmblem said:
Cleared my main thoughts last week. Satisfied as a fan but had WAY more potential. As expected... This really was a dragged out epilogue. Honestly stings since episodes 19 & 20 are the peak of the story and they both had poor direction issues in contrast to legendary episode 18.

I appreciate more of the Gilgamesh characterization here and I wished the director would have prioritized him over Fujimaru since Gil is the actual MC of the show. Camelot movies look more promising on that front. This show will probably just be remembered for its wonky CG, pretty animation and Gilgamesh.

Another strong point. The show was pretty meek as a whole. I feel like the nature of the source would've honestly given them more leeway to be more transformative aside from a few exceptions, but oh well

Dull_Lull said:


I still have no idea what huge problems the FGO fandom have with those episodes to begin with. Episode 19 stayed very true to the game's narrative. Gil delivered his usual speech and Kingu's scene was even handled better.

Episode 20, while King Hassan forcing the concept of death on Tiamat could have been handled better, overall the episode was still good. They cut out the shitty Jaguarman, gave Ishtar and Eresh their moment and even added more depth to a rather soulless antagonist like Tiamat. It sucked that Gil couldn't deliver his speech about parting ways with the gods and his metaphor of a child leaving their mother's care but people act like Cloverworks killed their families or something.

Dull_Lull said:


I still have no idea what huge problems the FGO fandom have with those episodes to begin with. Episode 19 stayed very true to the game's narrative. Gil delivered his usual speech and Kingu's scene was even handled better.

Episode 20, while King Hassan forcing the concept of death on Tiamat could have been handled better, overall the episode was still good. They cut out the shitty Jaguarman, gave Ishtar and Eresh their moment and even added more depth to a rather soulless antagonist like Tiamat. It sucked that Gil couldn't deliver his speech about parting ways with the gods and his metaphor of a child leaving their mother's care but people act like CW fucked up big time.

Gilgamesh said:


Did you play Babylonia? Like at all?

First, this is anime adaptation. You're not supposed to adapt a gacha game 1:1 otherwise you're left with poor pacing issues and filler front, right and center. Episode 18 was a perfect example of how to take the source material and elevate it to new heights. Episode 19 was rushing through each scene one by one and giving none of them the impact they deserved.

And Tiamat? Soullelss? You kidding me? That speech with Guda that you think added depth was actually in the game. Only instead of inorganically saving her words for the last minute of the episode, she said it in the very first chapters of Babylonia, foreshadowing her as the antagonist and Original Sin. The chains that mention Tiamat was suppressing herself intentionally, and that she would not have carried out her destruction had she remained asleep. She was "giving you her life - Mashu" and the anime skimmed it overin favor of Ishtar blasting her nigh immediately with an anime original scene of her using an NP there. Ishtar was actually supposed to explain Tiamat's history and why she became a beast, while accepting Tiamat as her legitimate ancestor. Anime skipped it over. The conversation she has with Gilgamesh about why Tiamat despited Uruk and humanity so much? Skipped over.

It didn't enhance Tiamat. It butchered her to the bare basics of being a kaijuu, then tried to slap on a band-aid at the end.