The Best Shounen Jump serie
Dragon Ball
4.8%
26
Naruto
10.7%
58
Bleach
3.1%
17
One Piece
22.5%
122
Hunter x Hunter
18.8%
102
Death Note
8.7%
47
Rurouni Kenshin
2.0%
11
Beelzebub
1.3%
7
D Gray Man
1.3%
7
Toriko
0.6%
3
Gintama
10.7%
58
YuYu Hakusho
2.2%
12
Bakuman
2.0%
11
Yu-gi-oh
1.3%
7
Medaka Box
0.7%
4
Kuroko no Basket
2.0%
11
Others
7.4%
40
543 votes
IntroverTurtle said: yhunata said: He's not saying he does, he's copying the other guy's post. Look at his last line.RedRoseFring said: beingrealgg said: Hunter X Hunter is the best. There is no comparison to something like OP,Naruto,Bleach... As far as the anime goes One Piece is the most popular. Yes. But definitely not the best there is, just people tend not to rate it objectively and ignore its tremendous flaws because they are fans. And I actually like OP very much, it is very entertaining and that's a fact. Naruto is the best. There is no comparison to something like OP,H x H,Bleach... As far as the anime goes HxH 2011 is very popular. Yes. But definitely not the best there is, just people tend not to rate it objectively and ignore its tremendous flaws because they are fans. And I actually like HxH very much, it is very entertaining and that's a fact. ^Point being, every anime has flaws. Saying "that is a fact" doesn't make people take you seriously. Please tell me, how do you rate an anime "objectively"? Ah, I see. In that case, beingrealgg, could you explain how opinions are facts? |
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beingrealgg said: Facts is the wrong word to use you are right. I should say OP is entertaining to me and to many people. And yes you can compare objectively OP to HxH if you try it's the same genre after all. Uhhh, no you can't. No matter what, there is absolutely no way two works of "art" can be compared "objectively". Why? Because "art" is in the eye of the beholder. An example, many FT fans love the blatant asspulls, I don't. |
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beingrealgg said: yhunata said: beingrealgg said: Facts is the wrong word to use you are right. I should say OP is entertaining to me and to many people. And yes you can compare objectively OP to HxH if you try it's the same genre after all. Uhhh, no you can't. No matter what, there is absolutely no way two works of "art" can be compared "objectively". Why? Because "art" is in the eye of the beholder. An example, many FT fans love the blatant asspulls, I don't. You are partially right and partially wrong. You can compare storylines, execution, directing, predictability, dialogues(mature or superficial), comedy(feels smooth or forced), characters(unique and memorable or not), character development (deep and mature? or superficial, static and one dimensional). You can compare the fighting system for example... You can compare the transition from arc to arc if its logical and smooth or not... You can compare the pace. OP has many dragging episodes where nothing happens HxH doesn't. And all that stuff combined depending on what you prefer raises or drops your enjoyment and entertainment of a show. Example: some prefer raw strenght with no strategy fights others prefer intelligence and strategy. When I say HxH is better I am referring to the execution part and the lack of fillers and almost no dragging episodes which keeps me engaged and entertained. And yet, all those comparisons are still subjective. If there is anything objective about anime, it would be animation quality, yet even that is questionable. |
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beingrealgg said: So you wanna tell me if a show has a linear and predictable storytelling and one other unpredictable with many plot twists you can't compare that? It is subjective if its linear and predictable? It can't be assessed in a logical way? Please... Yes, you can't. What seems linear to you, may seem nonlinear to another. What is predictable to you, can be unpredictable to another. Objectivity does not exist in any sort of art. |
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| Anyone is welcome to use this. tsudecimo said: Are you joking? Saying it's one of the best is subjective, saying it's good is subjective and saying it's bad is subjective. The only objective things are the summary, the information about the characters, the cost of productions, the attributes of the characters and other factual things relating to the show. ob·jec·tive (b-jktv) adj. 1. Of or having to do with a material object. 2. Having actual existence or reality. 3. a. Uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices b. Based on observable phenomena; presented factually: an objective appraisal. Objectivity is a central philosophical concept, related to reality and truth, which has been variously defined by sources. Generally, objectivity means the state or quality of being true even outside of a subject's individual biases, interpretations, feelings, and imaginings. A proposition is generally considered objectively true (to have objective truth) when its truth conditions are met and are "mind-independent"—that is, existing freely or independently from a mind (from the thoughts, feelings, ideas, etc. of a sentient subject). And I doubt you will read the following but it might make you understand more |
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CeeTwo said: I really enjoy some one piece fans posts xDD "one piece is the best, fact, objectively, you're wrong" and towards other anime, they preach subjectivity :P ------------------------ Aside from the use of "objectively" as a generic template to make yourself feel better, there are ways you can measure an anime objectively. Lack of character development or its existence, consistency, complexity, for example. It might be 'smeared' with a bit of subjectivity regarding whether you like it or not, regardless of whether it's consistent or not. There's a difference between quality and entertainment, some anime might be lacking in quality, but you find a person who absolutely enjoys it... even much more than one of superior quality, that's subjectivity. I like FF7 movie more than many great anime and I don't care how weak the story was. One Piece fans are NOT the only ones to do that. Actually, HXH fans do that much more, if not the most of all fan bases. No wait, FMA I think has fans say that even more than HxH fans... Hmm... Bottom line: Your post implies that OP fans do that the most, or are alone in doing this, when in reality.... there are HXH, FMA, and other fanbases that have many more people that do this. Why do you ALWAYS make OP and its fans look bad? Why do you always imply that OP fans are alone in their prejudice and bias? Legit put a sock in it. |
| @DarkAngelz I've seen your 'discussion' with CeeTwo quite a lot. It's alright. Don't waste your energy. I doubt he read your post entirely, even if he did, I doubt he got your point. I don't care if someone saying something is the best for them, it's subjective after all. |
beingrealgg said: OP has many dragging episodes where nothing happens HxH doesn't. Greed Island Arc |
| Still better than OP. |
antonnn said: NopeStill better than OP. |
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beingrealgg said: yhunata said: beingrealgg said: Facts is the wrong word to use you are right. I should say OP is entertaining to me and to many people. And yes you can compare objectively OP to HxH if you try it's the same genre after all. Uhhh, no you can't. No matter what, there is absolutely no way two works of "art" can be compared "objectively". Why? Because "art" is in the eye of the beholder. An example, many FT fans love the blatant asspulls, I don't. You are partially right and partially wrong. You can compare storylines, execution, directing, predictability, dialogues(mature or superficial), comedy(feels smooth or forced), characters(unique and memorable or not), character development (deep and mature? or superficial, static and one dimensional). You can compare the fighting system for example... You can compare the transition from arc to arc if its logical and smooth or not... You can compare the pace. OP has many dragging episodes where nothing happens HxH doesn't. And all that stuff combined depending on what you prefer raises or drops your enjoyment and entertainment of a show. Example: some prefer raw strenght with no strategy fights others prefer intelligence and strategy. When I say HxH is better I am referring to the execution part and the lack of fillers and almost no dragging episodes which keeps me engaged and entertained. I have to say, despite the remake of H x H 2011, there were still a lot of parts that dragged for me, because HxH naturally has a lot of exposition. I fast-forwarded through a lot of the Greed Island arc, and a distinct part of the Chimera Arc ant was pretty lengthy too. |
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| I guess it depends on taste. Episode 111 of HxH is probably the first time I've sat there and felt like the episode was dragging on. More than anything the episodes fly by for me. There have been episodes that weren't overly exciting but they weren't bad or dragging on at all for me. I find One Piece is the Jump manga that drags on by far the most for me(I have every episode but I don't watch the anime, maybe one day...), when it's boring and drags on, it's REALLY boring/draggy, but then when it's at some of the better parts it's excellent. The current arc is great, the previous 2 arcs were average/terrible. The terrible is for the underwater arc(one of the worst arcs of anything I've ever read), from the moment it started I was just waiting for them to end. The most enjoyable chapters of that arc was the celebrations after they had won the battle. Nothing will be worse than Naruto these days though, Madara is virtually the only good thing about it anymore. |
| ^That's fine. One Piece is more comedy-centric, so even the draggy parts still have something to offer in that regard. HxH has less comedy, so when it gets draggy, there is very little to keep my attention. And it's not the content either that's my problem. Punk Hazard was actually the second most exciting thing in anime right after the Chimera Ants this winter for me, so I found it to be pretty good, especially for a build-up arc. Fishmen Island was average, but still far above regular series. Many may not like the comedy, but it always keeps me interested, and Fishmen Island was one of the funniest arcs. |
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| I like the comedy in OP too, I think I was so disillusioned with the Fishmen Island arc and was so eager for it to finish that I missed some of the comedy, haha. I see the Punk Hazard arc in a better light these days as during the arc I hadn't known it would be used as a build-up arc. Since the current arc started I haven't found it boring or draggy at all. In general I find OP to be good a lot more often than boring, it's one of my more liked shonen these days but I'm not as massive a fan as a lot of people are. I guess what adds to why I think it drags sometimes is that it has a lot more text than your standard shonen, so when it's not interesting to me I find having to read a lot of text makes it feel like a chore. But hey, I'll put up with it cause I know if it's going through a boring part it can only get better. Since the timeskip each arc got better so I'm happy. :D |
antonnn said: I like the comedy in OP too, I think I was so disillusioned with the Fishmen Island arc and was so eager for it to finish that I missed some of the comedy, haha. I see the Punk Hazard arc in a better light these days as during the arc I hadn't known it would be used as a build-up arc. Since the current arc started I haven't found it boring or draggy at all. In general I find OP to be good a lot more often than boring, it's one of my more liked shonen these days but I'm not as massive a fan as a lot of people are. I guess what adds to why I think it drags sometimes is that it has a lot more text than your standard shonen, so when it's not interesting to me I find having to read a lot of text makes it feel like a chore. But hey, I'll put up with it cause I know if it's going through a boring part it can only get better. Since the timeskip each arc got better so I'm happy. :D I used to think why OP spent too much chapter in an arc (dragging) but, then I realize that there are a lot of details Oda put in every chapter so it's kind of inevitable. I mean, you know people can make 1000+ words essay about what's going on in one chapter. Even one simple panel that you might think, "Ah, this is not needed, just wasting space." has information or hint whatsoever. So, it's not like I love Oda dragging-manga (what does that even mean), but I prefer it that way, rather than rushing it and losing some important details... |
Nestala said: Soul Eater is missing. Soul Eater isn't Jump. wanderingplayboy said: I used to think why OP spent too much chapter in an arc (dragging) but, then I realize that there are a lot of details Oda put in every chapter so it's kind of inevitable. I mean, you know people can make 1000+ words essay about what's going on in one chapter. Even one simple panel that you might think, "Ah, this is not needed, just wasting space." has information or hint whatsoever. So, it's not like I love Oda dragging-manga (what does that even mean), but I prefer it that way, rather than rushing it and losing some important details... Oh yeah, as long as it's interesting I have no problem with the amount of text used and chapters per arc as long as it's interesting, which OP is more often than not. |
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wanderingplayboy said: @DarkAngelz I've seen your 'discussion' with CeeTwo quite a lot. It's alright. Don't waste your energy. I doubt he read your post entirely, even if he did, I doubt he got your point. Lol. +1 antonnn said: The terrible is for the underwater arc(one of the worst arcs of anything I've ever read), from the moment it started I was just waiting for them to end. To be honest I find FI arc to be better than PH. Maybe it's because of the lame villain that people make FI out to be bad. I don't know, I'd like to hear more about different people's opinions on that 2 arcs. |
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ToG25thBaam said: wanderingplayboy said: @DarkAngelz I've seen your 'discussion' with CeeTwo quite a lot. It's alright. Don't waste your energy. I doubt he read your post entirely, even if he did, I doubt he got your point. Lol. +1 antonnn said: The terrible is for the underwater arc(one of the worst arcs of anything I've ever read), from the moment it started I was just waiting for them to end. To be honest I find FI arc to be better than PH. Maybe it's because of the lame villain that people make FI out to be bad. I don't know, I'd like to hear more about different people's opinions on that 2 arcs. I think it has a lot to do with people's expectations. A lot of people expect an anime to be at a high point at every second of every minute of an episode. Stories have introductions, climaxes and resolutions for a reason. A show that is always at the climax would be horrible; build-up and downtime are completely necessary for every show, yet so many don't seem to understand that. That being said, a lot of people I've talked to somehow expected FI to continue the high point of Marineford, not understanding that not every arc is going to be, or needs to be like that. Also the fact that not every villain is going to have the same personality or some deep seated motivation. I found Hordy to be fine for what he was, and I wasn't expecting anything more out of him, yet people expected him to be the next Crocodile or Rob Lucci. Also, it seems like some people were expecting everything to be resolved immediately when the Strawhats entered the New World, not understanding that it was basically a new beginning, building up the next stage of the adventure. I personally preferred Punk Hazard because Doflamingo was one of the more interesting figures to me, and it was great build up for the Strawhats facing another Shichibukai. It also had a lot more mystery surrounding it, and I'm a sucker for mystery. |
| "Let Justice Be Done!" My Theme Fight again, fight again for justice! |
| 1. One Piece 2. Hunter x Hunter 3. Dragon Ball 4. Death Note 5. Rurouni Kenshin |
| One Piece all the way. Beelzebub was one of the strangest animes I've seen, I watched a few randoms eps just because it was on TV. |
| Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice! - Doflamingo |
| Death Note. At it's worst it's better then 90% of anime and manga. At it's best, it better then 99.9% of fiction in history. |
| I'm quite surprised by the few votes for Death Note in comparison to Hunter x Hunter, One Piece and Naruto. On MAL at least it's the most popular anime and certainly an all time great. |
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| I don't think FMA ran in Jump. |
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| It's either Naruto or Medaka Box insan3Spectre said: I don't think FMA ran in Jump. I think he was joking probably |
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Sung-Hwan said: Where the hell is Fullmetal Alchemist FMA didn't run in Shounen Jump. It was in a monthly shounen magazine, I can't remember which one it was. |
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Mars_ said: Death Note. At it's worst it's better then 90% of anime and manga. At it's best, it better then 99.9% of fiction in history. That's debatable. But I'm going to have to concur with you here, since it's among my favorites. |
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| Hunter x Hunter is definitly my favourite of them all,Death Note is also very good but for me Hunter x Hunter is better. |
Ryukatsuka said: Me too.Mars_ said: Death Note. At it's worst it's better then 90% of anime and manga. At it's best, it better then 99.9% of fiction in history. That's debatable. But I'm going to have to concur with you here, since it's among my favorites. Also HxH. |
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Lawliet19 said: Hunter x Hunter is definitly my favourite of them all,Death Note is also very good but for me Hunter x Hunter is better. i second this oh and also gintama & assassination classroom |
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Doflamingo45 said: One Piece or Hunter x Hunter. |
Doflamingo45 said: One Piece or Hunter x Hunter. |
Mars_ said: LOL.Death Note. At it's worst it's better then 90% of anime and manga. At it's best, it better then 99.9% of fiction in history. I pity the world that considers Death Note to be in the top 50% of "fiction". |
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YorozuyaGinSan said: Mars_ said: LOL.Death Note. I love it till me ass rip off I pity the world that considers Death Note to be in the top 50% of "fiction". Me too. It's good but not that good. BrBa>>>Abism>>>DN and still isn't better than 99,9% cuz this doesn't exist. |
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