Japan's Weekly Manga Rankings for Jun 6 - 12

so berserk sells in 300k range per volume?

Shouldn't the anime work against it though? It had an anime at the time the last volume was released, now it doesn't so you would expect the sales to drop given that with or without a break most manga have their sales drop after their anime ends.

Anyway, you know what? You're probably right that I'm overpraising it. It's hard to not be biased when it comes to something you like. There's very few similar cases (manga coming back after extended breaks) so categorically saying whether it's praiseworthy or not is tough.


Those are worldwide sales (prints to be more precise). I don't know where the 40 million comes from though. The last update I've heard of from Young Animal is that it had 35 million copies in circulation worldwide as of July 2015 (27 million from Japan and 8 million overseas) so I definitely don't think it has sold 5 million copies since then, especially with no new volume released.

not really i appreciate both tg manga and anime but I know the anime is inferior and doesnt adapt manga well.

If a good junk of people think that the anime doesn't live up to the manga, than also a good junk of people would stop watching the anime in a regular base and just stay with the manga. In fact that being the case word of mouth would attract people to the manga and repel people to the anime.
Appreciating both, is different of "anime not living up to manga". If you appreciate both, you think both are fine the way they are.

Is not about Tokyo Ghoul being the best Seinen manga or not, is the fact that the Manga sells ridiculously high, while the anime didn't sell anything close to comparable(3k disk sales. TV ratings due to being nighttime did little to). The same with Terra Formars(even more pronounced than Tokyo Ghoul).
People also love to complain that their anime don't live up to their respective manga. In this case the results seem to go in the direction of their "theory".
Toriko is the exact opposite.

oh okay

how do you know people in japan thinks the anime lived up to manga. they could of appreciated both

let me clarify. when i said live up to manga i mean adapt the manga. obviously the anime is way more popular than the manga. if toriko manga had to live up to anime then it would have to sell way more than double. i dont see that happening ever

tokyo ghoul is best seinen manga in existence that is why it did well. toriko manga uses a extremely old school style (muscle men) and a lot of blood and gore.

I'm both a reader and a watcher! In fact I was first a reader for a pretty good time, before also going to the anime!

Majority of manga fans? LOL. You're talking of the complainers here in the "western" internet, and specially here in MAL. Though you're talking about the popularity of the series, that doesn't have nothing to do with MAL nor the "western" internet.

Is funny how this people that say the anime doesn't live up to the manga and complain without stop about it, but they can't see something as simple as the fact that the anime is way more popular than the manga(volume form). I will like an explanation why the anime that doesn't live up to the manga ended in front of it, instead of the opposite!

If the anime doesn't live up to the manga, why didn't it ended like Tokyo Ghoul or Terra Formars? Volume selling a lot, but anime not doing that well. Why do you think it ended opposite to them?

Did I said anything about censoring? Not! But now I'm interested. What exactly are you talking about the anime not living up to the manga? Please be detailed, refer even to events in the series.

u dont read the manga do u? It feels like youre an anime only or just biased with toei animation. if a majority of manga fans are saying the anime doesnt live up to the manga then odds are they are right.

i am not talking about censorship when i say it doesnt live up to the manga btw.

Berserk decreased sales along the years! And there is also the backlog sales along the years.

About it returning, maybe yes, maybe not. But the probability is low. Toei Animation not only has the Current Strong Long running investments series, and the Strong Old investments that will certainly return someday, but they will also invest in new things. They also have old strong titles that never got a remake, and it seems is just waiting for it like Slam Dunk, but is possible that the studio lost the rights of the series, who knows.
After All that there are still a good number of series in Toriko "situation". Like Gatch Bell, World Trigger and so.

Toei Animation is a too big and successful studio, they have to many potential stuff to do in the future. For one side is good, because the company going down is almost impossible, but unfortunately they don't have all the time to every series.

I never understand the timeslot change people talk about Toriko. Its seems like people are delusional or they don't know the concept and focus of the series. We're talking of a series where everything in the world turns to be about gourmet, and where there is a ton of exaggeration and ridiculous stuff, in both fights, feats and interactions. That is totally an infantile concept. Just because the series has some sprinkle of violence and edge, doesn't mean it will attract "mature" audiences. In fact the series before and after the anime is highly popular to the young kids!

Is funny people say the anime as to live up to the manga, but the anime is way more popular than it. Both in Japan and overseas!
Is totally the opposite though, the manga is the one that needs to life up to the anime.
And note that the manga had 3 years to show what it was worth, and it showed that is not as much as what people love to talk and believe here.

by evening timeslot are you talking of what? Primetime?
I hardly believe Toei Animation will get a new timeslot just to place Toriko!

@ichii_1

What being a newcomer, being more gar and macho, heavily promoted(Toriko wasn't really promoted the hell out of it), as anything to do with Them thinking that Toriko was the same level of One Piece?

Now add a newcomer into the mix that's more gar and macho then them and heavily promote the hell out of it.

wow are berserk sales that low? how is at 40 million copies sold according to wiki?

@bigivelfhq

so with that information you posted you think Toriko anime will return one day? Obviously after rebooting other titles like dr.slump ofc. I thought Toriko was at a decline so why would they pick it up if the ratings were dropping before the anime end?

Toriko anime could use a timeslot change if it comes back. idk if Toei would want to do that but maybe a evening timelot. While the Toriko anime was good it could use some improvements to live up to the manga.

We'll be able to see a more recent effect of a long hiatus considering volume 38's coming out next week.
Which reminds me, that's a disgrace. More than a 3 years wait for a single volume...

Chopper got a crossover with Hello Kitty(that alone is bigger than One Piece merchandise wise). Does that means they thought Chopper was in the same level as Hello Kitty? Obviously not.

I'll end this here, I guess we'll just have to wait and see then if they invest in Toriko again then.

Being pushed heavily along with not only OP but DB implies that.

Toei Long term investment:

1- Precure (12 years)
2- One Piece (17 years)
3- Digimon (18 years)
4- Kindaichi Case Files (19 years)
4- Sailor Moon (24 years)
5- Dragon Ball (30 years)
6- Saint Seiya (30 years)
7- Tiger Mask (47 years)

(Series that soon or later certainly will return)
8- Gegege no Kitaro (49 years)
9- Dr. Slump (35 years)
10- Ojomajo Doremi (18 years) -> Staff member for a good time have been showing interested in doing more of it

And if we count all other old successes that are just waiting for a opportunity like
- Kinnikuman
- Himitsu no akko-chan
- Sally the witch
- Bikkuriman
...

The company already have a lot of long term series that they invest. It makes no sense to being adding series with less success. Though those series with lesser success aren't totally discarded. Toriko and World Trigger, and others .

Toei company is growing a lot in fact, and is almost certainly the company that is growing more in all anime industry. Maybe the only competitor right now is Sunrise+Bandai Namco Pictures.

Funny that they didn't complete Slam Dunk to start another series that ended up having similar popularity to Toriko, Hell Teacher Nube.

Toriko is about gourmet food and muscleman fighting hyped up fight and making hiped up feats. The anime had all that! Note how while the manga was mega popular in the magazine, the volumes were selling just 150-180k copies. Just like in the anime the TV ratings were always in the Top 10, but the franchise wasn't doing as amazingly well.
Also where did you heard that Toei thought that Toriko was OP Level? Sorry to tell you, but it never did! For you to understand, One Piece started the anime with a Movie already in the makings(by episode 17 One Piece got its 1st movie), and it aired in Dragon Ball primetime timeslot.
Is important to understand that One Piece when its anime started was nº 1, with a huge lead from the nº 2, in the magazine and the volumes were printing 1.35 Million copies. Thinking that Toriko was in One Piece level is being highly naive.

relevant I guess.

330,571　Berserk 35 (2010)
319,237　Berserk 36 (2011)
336,432　Berserk 37 (2013)

vol.35 & 36 had only 2 months to sell but it means the sales didn't drop anyway.

Exactly, hence why I said it would be rare that it would happen, I knew there is a chance that the Hiatus could affect the sales, but it was a slim chance, the point I'm getting at is that you guys are making it sound like it is a big accomplishment for a series to be on hiatus for 2 to 3 years and stll maintain its sales, which it isn't.

D-Grayman is just one example, and 40k sales isn't a big drop and it could still recover during the months just like snk does occasionally, not to mention hxh had a anime recently that just ended in 2014, D-grayman anime ended since 2008 that's close to a decade ago, so the comparison is even unfair, so even if hxh had lost some fans, the boost from the 2011 anime would overlap those lost fans and the sales will be naturally better than before.

Long term investment isn't just airing for a year or 2, it's still being a force decades later and making money (more than just licencing and other stuff), just because it doesn't make blockbuster level money doesn't mean dumping it.
And yes Toei has enough resources to hire more staff to produce those series and make a good profit but they don't, because who cares about growing the company right? as long as they get muh dragonball and one piece money.

>the company that best utilizes its past library, while saying that they do quite the opposite
They didn't even complete slamdunk when it was at it's prime, only further proving they just want big franchises immediately and even good selling ones will be shoved into the back burner, guess what? gash bell could still bring even more money even if they adapted the rest 7 years later.

> What is there so exceptional, noteworthy, or particular about Toriko series? The fact that you love it?

The fact that everybody loved it enough for Toei to think it was OP level potential but instead we got some whatever anime that doesn't fully emphasize what Toriko is about.

@keragamming

I'm not trying to start a debate here. I told you that I was about to explain why a hiatus would normally slow down the sales of a manga but didn't do so because of that comment of yours. You were wondering how well the manga would do coming off such a long break which means that you knew that keeping its sales stable wasn't a given like you're trying to imply here, hence the contradiction.

Btw, D-Gray man is not doing as well as the previous volume. It's about 40k below and sold 15k less this week alone so the gap is widening. A similar drop for HxH would have led it to not even reach 800k this week. So DGM is actually proof that keeping your sales stable after a long break (or increasing like this HxH volume is doing) is no easy task. You have to realise that most of these manga buyers are not hardcore fans like you and I. They don't have an account in a manga listing site to keep track of what they're reading.

What for you is a long term investment? How many years? Because Saint Seiya and Slam Dunk during their times were many time more popular than Toriko and only were given 2 years! And you know what, Slam Dunk still doesn't have adapted the last part.
Toriko got the treatment of Gash Bell, and Gash Bell is more popular than Toriko.

"especially with a series like Toriko" -> What is there so exceptional, noteworthy, or particular about Toriko series? The fact that you love it?

Toriko is still a property of Toei animation, so is always an option. You're talking about the company that best utilizes its past library, while saying that they do quite the opposite.

DB and OP not only got high way above Toriko, but also lows way above it. And also none of them had in a situation where in a situation of direct competition with a way bigger series, that was in an upward direction. Toriko was, with Dragon Ball!

stop fighting over some chinese comic sells you plebs