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| That Sunako bitch deserves to die the most. Killing so many people... How could she? Loli's are the absolute worst!!! Especially if they stay loli forever! |
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ShadowGilgamesh said: i'd say this ep proves the humans are worse than the Shiki, at least THEY didn't kill any of their own. yeah because killing ONE PERSON against DOZENS OF REAL PEOPLE KILLED BY SHIKI, yup. human are definitely worse. tinman21 said: what a eye-opening way to start an episode.. love all the blood bath in this episode, good thing they didn't hold back on it.. XD dude....harsh lol Shadowmancer said: This was amazing. Reading people saying the same things over and over is funny. The humans don't have to kill to survive! Bla bla bla. If you look at the Shiki, as you know, not human, they're doing the same thing to humans that humans do to animals. lol! tingy said: She needs to learn from Ritsuko. Ritsuko is amazing for being able to stand the painful hunger, she's pretty much a saint. I'm glad she made Tohru give up, because they're both kindhearted people ;_; yeah, toru was lost but she made him a saint as well :) ----- i really love how the simple fact of shiki existing is destroying everyone's minds. toru is completely racked with guilt. sunako is trying to make herself feel better by saying "I'm trying to feed". you have the good for nothing shiki like megumi. all of them have their different ways how they handle it. i haven't really said my opinion on all this, but killing people is wrong. especially if it's not in self defense or by saving someone. sunako and none of the shiki's are justified. at all. that's like saying "Don't kill zombies because they live to kill humans, - it's not their fault!" also i am totally loving nasuno going to work on here! he's so awesome! i hope the husband didn't kill him O_O and where's akira at if he's alive? only 2 eps left! oh and am i the only only one recognizing that the husband didn't "accept" the shiki at all, but that he simple wanted to be them? he lived in jealously and lived his life throughout the shiki. therefore he is the root in all this, not only manipulating shiki but definitely making them evil. and i really liked how the doctor is the one person that can see the fine line of the shiki and humans. he knows what is brutal and what is not. "No, we will not kill the hypnotized humans. That would definitely be murder." and he still has a heart in all this, feeling bad when he realized seishin betrayed him. |
TomDayApr 5, 2016 10:55 AM
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| Just like that ... they've crossed the line. Who's worth killing and who isn't. Just as Sunako mentioned ... "Am I a bad person because I didn't starve to death?" ... that actually made me tear up a bit. Like I said in the previous discussion, I feel really sad for the Shiki ... just as much for the humans. Shadowmancer said: This was amazing. Reading people saying the same things over and over is funny. The humans don't have to kill to survive! Bla bla bla. If you look at the Shiki, as you know, not human, they're doing the same thing to humans that humans do to animals. Exactly, this was also mentioned early on in the show and it's exactly the same. I also think this is what the show is trying to say, the boundaries between who's worth living and who isn't etc. - The underlying message if you will. |
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| I just love that brutal old dude. This is the perfect music for him |
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| Monsters are coming out all over the place. The show is trying very hard to make me sympathize with Sunako....not working. |
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| It will slowly get put of hand, but the shiki deserve what's coming for them. |
"At some point, I stopped hoping." |
| For those of you blaming the villagers for killing the hypnotized victim....... you are a complete stupid piece of shit!!! It's clear from the last scene the "SHIKI" are manipulating them to kill among themselves, and its the SHIKI those tricky, dirty, selfish creatures fault, kill them kill em all, especially the loli and the fag werewolf. It's better if we can torture that selfish loli and fag werewolf before they die....... |
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| Wow, the villagers lost it completely. The strong philosophical aspect in this episoded reminded me at Parasyte. |
One Piece episode 914 & 915 & 1027 were a mistake and 957 brought the salvation - FMmatron |
| This is bloody madness! |
| That brute old pop is so savage. gotta love him for staking all the shiki. but i cant blame both sides, the did this to survive |
| While I haven't been the biggest fan of this show's writing, I have to say that I'm REALLY enjoying this final showdown. This show has had some hauntingly beautiful scenes and it genuinely makes viewers feel uneasy about the whole situation. Also, while it's not the most elegantly executed, I can't help but love the ambitious visual direction this show has. Fits really well with the show's overall tone.  Best girl continues being best girl even after death. |
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| Well, the monk really won't to the Shiki's side as he let them have his blood. Everything's gone crazy and I admire Ritsuko for her determination! |
  ★━━─ 𝘏𝘰𝘸 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘐 𝘣𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘵? 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘪𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘥𝘢𝘺? |
| Ookawa is badass holy crap. Don't cross Santa. "Don't humans hunt animals? Don't humans hunt other humans?" Yes, silly, that's why under that logic it's okay for humans to hunt shiki and shiki to hunt humans. Sunako's monologue brings up some interesting philosophical implications. As a "murderer" she's afraid and asks if it's wrong. Killing with the intent to eat; is it wrong? Depends on who you ask. Nature is all about the strong eating the weak to survive, so it can not be objectively wrong. Yet when it's animals, most humans don't care. But, when it's another human then they see it as a grave sin. Why? When it's an animal who kills humans, humans hate and kill it in return. Not to eat it, but to avenge. Why? Vegans see killing animals to eat them as wrong and make that choice just like we see Ritsuko make that choice to become "vegan" even if it means dying. (That's honorable, imo.) But, many see [i]that[/i[ as "wrong." To go against our nature, our biology. Yet when others do so, humans tend to disbelieve it, condemn it, hate it, fear it, shun it. The exact same way shiki are by humans. Humans, after thousands of years, seemed have come to see themselves as superior and should not be killed. Why? Because huamns are stronger than the rest. Because humans have complex brains that allowed humans to evolve beyond the rest. Because humans fear death. That is humans' justification for why they get sad, angry, vengeful, and all other sorts of emotions when another human is killed. Humans no longer see themselves as a part of the food chain, but above it. And now shiki have come to exist to challenge that. As we can see here, as mob mentality takes hold, that humans don't see them like hunters chasing an animal prey. As something to compromise with. They see it differently, unacceptable. When, really, are the shiki doing anything humans don't already do? It's not like humans go in and work things out with animals; they just hunt. (Granted they can't, but if they could, would they?) Just like how humans stick to themselves and not expand, killing off other species just to make room for their own kind, the shiki do the same here. Perhaps humans' greatest flaw is forcing made-up morality onto something as natural as death. It'd be like creating a moral judgement on breathing. As for how I see it... For when the tables turn on humans, they tend to not like it very much. It doesn't matter what you kill, if you do so you're a murderer. Trying to twist and excuse it for only those "not your kind" doesn't make it any less true. Kill or be killed. If you are willing to kill to survive, for fun, or for any reason, you should expect the same to happen to you. If you can't follow that, you have no business killing anything. There is no greater power dictating who gets to live or not simply by the virtue of what species they evolved to. Perhaps rather than starting the massacre, the shiki should have tried negotiating with the village. And only then fight for themselves if it went tits up. After all, how many of those turned truly enjoy being a vampire under the thumb of a family and forced in doing things against their will? Really, their flaw is that eventually, just like humans, they'll run out of food unless they start breeding humans for it. |
| Starts off SUUUPER GORY LMFAO THEY'RE STAKING EVERYONE OMG Also Im proud of that guy for being able to kill his own son he's fucking awesome. I can't believe all these guys are walking around blood soaked, thats gotta be super sticky lol. old buff man killed a human, not surprised though. Knew it was going to happen eventually. |
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| The last part of the episode escalated quickly. Thank God the muscle-y geezer did not take those shot, he seems like the only tough man that the village has fighting for it. This turned from a race of survival to mass murder streaks from both sides. |
| Warning : I have no idea if whether or not what happens in episode 20.5 should be discussed in this thread or the one about episode 21, so if you haven't seen episode 20.5 don't read further, there's a few spoilers Wow, it's becoming more and more terrifying, but at the same time I find it interesting how the horror can be felt from both sides. A lot of people say shikis shouldn't live, but I think the real issue isn't about if whether or not they deserve to live, but more if whether or not they deserve to suffer this much before dying. Shikis have to kill humans to survive, humans have to kill shikis to survive. They're on the same level. What makes them true monsters now regards more the way they react to their killings. Do they find pleasure in killing, or do they find nothing but pain, despite knowing they cannot do otherwise ? People like Megumi and are equal, in the way they both don't care anymore about killing and even find pleasure in doing it. People like Tohru and are equal in the way they do not enjoy what they're doing, they just don't have a choice if they want to survive and for their dear ones to be okay. It of course doesn't make the shikis innocent, just like it doesn't make the humans innocents. This show isn't at all a story about good vs bad, there's an important level of ambiguity and in my opinion, this is what makes it so good. And just a last thing, to talk about Sunako... I kinda feel bad for her but not as much as I should, because in the end she is far, far from innocent. By that I mean she doesn't even have the "excuse" someone like Tohru can have, because she doesn't feel bad for what she's done, the reason she feels so much regret is only because she realizes it is gonna get her killed. But that's what I like about her character, she is an interesting one. |
FafetteSep 6, 2020 1:49 PM
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it was...intense |
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| Ookawa reminds me of Heihachi Mishima |
| Dang.........this doctor......not even a tears for his own mother. |
| Well seems like Tooru got what he wanted.... |
| I'm expecting some fight to happen between Ookawa and Tatsumi 2 more episodes...... |
| Poor Ritsuko, but from what I see, it feels like a lie. Not eating as a shiki feels the same as not eating as a human. At least they can be together at the end :( Sunako is also wrong. You don't need to kill people in order to survive, you just need to drink blood. |
Come on man,where is that Noragami season 3 masterpiece.We want it, Bones! |
| Good episode, Ookawa is aggressive but actually smart sometimes Ritsuko philosophy was admirable, Sunako is full of crap with that monologue, she could've found a way to survive without killing hundreds and the monk is still stupid as usual though I think he is up to something (might turn to a werewolf and fight Ozaki?) |
| this lolicon of a monk needs to die asap, but now they realized that they need to kill living people that are not yet turned into a Shiki. Toshio must have been conflicted to kill his own bestfriend |
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| So far the humans have done nothing to make me root for them. |
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| Yo! Mr. Ookawa is the shit! Absolutely love how implacable his character is. Man, wish he had joined Toshio's crusade earlier... And as for the show trying its hardest to make viewers empathize with Sunako... sorry, it's not working in the slightest. I appreciate the effort tho. |
| Sorry Sunako, I don’t feel bad for you one bit. You brought your people to this village and killed its people, you’ve done so for months, and now the people left are coming for you for all the pain you’ve caused, I understand being afraid of dying since she’s been so used to living this way for so long, and she’s still a kid (maybe), but she’s had it coming, I feel more for Kaori than I do for this blood sucker. And you might say the humans are going a bit far, but they’ve earned the right to do so, and if you show the vampires any mercy you will regret it, they’re absolutely doing what’s right. Only thing I’ll criticize is Tomio killing that guy with the gun, but at the same time I get why that would be his reaction to a guy shooting people indiscriminately. And damn Ritsuko, you beautiful soul, she single-handedly woke Tohru up from his vampirism, if only they had all been like her, nothing but respect for her, and I’m glad Tohru realized how fucked their operation is, and I guess he got the girl in the end huh lol. Also Natsuno versus Seishirou was cool, ended faster than I thought, but hopefully the bastard gets done in soon if he didn’t right there, it cut away so it’s hard to tell. And now I gotta hit the first special episode, I saw somewhere that you have to watch the first after this episode and the second after episode 21, I’m interested in seeing how they go down. |
| These vampires are getting some messed up deaths, but I can't say I feel bad for them even as they beg lol not when they seemed to enjoy killing people as much as they have been up until now. It looks like Seishun really is going to betray everyone else though. He refused to kill the vampires, and now he's going to probably become one to kill the people who are still alive. Shame :/ And now it looks like the villagers are going to start killing humans who are being hypnotized too. It sucks since they can still turn back and recover, but when they pull out guns and start killing people, it is kind of tough. Also what happened to Kaori and Akira? Really hope Kaori is okay :( @TheColonel76 same lol am I supposed to feel bad? Because I really don't, like at all.  |
AlkimiaJul 29, 2025 5:16 PM
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| @Alkimia Glad to know I’m not alone on that lol, hope you’ve been enjoying the show tho |
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@Alkimia Glad to know I’m not alone on that lol, hope you’ve been enjoying the show tho
| @TheColonel76 I mean really how can you feel bad for her lol I get she was little when she was turned, but she also killed a ton of people in the village, and made them kill their own friends and family. and went as far as to teach the people who rose to drink blood. And if anyone refused they'd be killed (I think?). Like I really don't get how I'm supposed to feel bad for her after everything we've seen up until this point, along with her plans falling apart. I did enjoy this show though! It's got some problems and it got kinda messy but I still liked the show overall Definitely going to rewatch this next year in October :) |
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TheColonel76 said: Glad to know I’m not alone on that lol, hope you’ve been enjoying the show tho Alkimia said: I mean really how can you feel bad for her lol I get she was little when she was turned, but she also killed a ton of people in the village, and made them kill their own friends and family. and went as far as to teach the people who rose to drink blood. And if anyone refused they'd be killed (I think?). Like I really don't get how I'm supposed to feel bad for her after everything we've seen up until this point, along with her plans falling apart. You guys just don't have as refined tastes and as discerning an eye as Seishin. What is that popular phrasing nowadays? "Must protect"? Sunako is a "must be protected"-level entity, a voracious reader, an enigma, and so much more. |
| @Alkimia Perfectly said, I agree on all fronts. And I’m glad you still liked the show, yeah this is honestly a great October watch which is when I did it back in 2024, when you eventually do that I hope you enjoy it again lol. @WatchTillTandava Lmao you right, I forgot Sunako was must protecc status which is basically like an Uno Reverse, that explains why Seishin was fixated on her |
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TheColonel76 said:
Glad to know I’m not alone on that lol, hope you’ve been enjoying the show tho
Glad to know I’m not alone on that lol, hope you’ve been enjoying the show tho
Alkimia said:
I mean really how can you feel bad for her lol I get she was little when she was turned, but she also killed a ton of people in the village, and made them kill their own friends and family. and went as far as to teach the people who rose to drink blood. And if anyone refused they'd be killed (I think?). Like I really don't get how I'm supposed to feel bad for her after everything we've seen up until this point, along with her plans falling apart.
I mean really how can you feel bad for her lol I get she was little when she was turned, but she also killed a ton of people in the village, and made them kill their own friends and family. and went as far as to teach the people who rose to drink blood. And if anyone refused they'd be killed (I think?). Like I really don't get how I'm supposed to feel bad for her after everything we've seen up until this point, along with her plans falling apart.
You guys just don't have as refined tastes and as discerning an eye as Seishin. What is that popular phrasing nowadays? "Must protect"? Sunako is a "must be protected"-level entity, a voracious reader, an enigma, and so much more.
| @WatchTillTandava you're right lol @TheColonel76 I probably will! Like yeah it's got some problems but it was a fun watch. I'm looking forward to watching Higurashi when October rolls around too 👀 I'm currently playing the visual novels and I've been pretty obsessed with them, but I want to finish at least chapter 6 before I get to the anime (even though I really want to start watching so badly rn lol). I'm looking for some other shows to watch throughout October too! |
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@WatchTillTandava you're right lol
@TheColonel76 I probably will! Like yeah it's got some problems but it was a fun watch. I'm looking forward to watching Higurashi when October rolls around too 👀 I'm currently playing the visual novels and I've been pretty obsessed with them, but I want to finish at least chapter 6 before I get to the anime (even though I really want to start watching so badly rn lol). I'm looking for some other shows to watch throughout October too!
@TheColonel76 I probably will! Like yeah it's got some problems but it was a fun watch. I'm looking forward to watching Higurashi when October rolls around too 👀 I'm currently playing the visual novels and I've been pretty obsessed with them, but I want to finish at least chapter 6 before I get to the anime (even though I really want to start watching so badly rn lol). I'm looking for some other shows to watch throughout October too!
| @Alkimia Oh you’re just now getting into Higurashi huh? I’m a big fan of that series, definitely another perfect one for October, I haven’t played the game but maybe I should someday. |
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@Alkimia Oh you’re just now getting into Higurashi huh? I’m a big fan of that series, definitely another perfect one for October, I haven’t played the game but maybe I should someday.
| @TheColonel76 You should! The first chapter starts out slow but it was worth pushing through, and now I'm obsessed with the games and trying to piece together what exactly is going on lol If you're interested, the first chapter is available for free on Steam! I highly recommend you check out the 07th mod too to add more music options to the game along with sprites, backgrounds, and CGs from the console version! |
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@TheColonel76 You should! The first chapter starts out slow but it was worth pushing through, and now I'm obsessed with the games and trying to piece together what exactly is going on lol
If you're interested, the first chapter is available for free on Steam! I highly recommend you check out the 07th mod too to add more music options to the game along with sprites, backgrounds, and CGs from the console version!
If you're interested, the first chapter is available for free on Steam! I highly recommend you check out the 07th mod too to add more music options to the game along with sprites, backgrounds, and CGs from the console version!
| @Alkimia Thanks for the recommendations, I’ll keep them in mind for the day I eventually check it out, good luck with your Higurashi endeavors and I hope you enjoy the anime when you get to it! |
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