Mainstream Anime fans need to take an animation class

Animation is often one of those things people mention if they want to bash on a show for whatever (unrelated to animation) reason, so they just say whatever they can to shit on it even if it makes zero sense whatsoever. People who call it "garbage" are often in that category.

Personally I don't really care about animation that much. There are occasional times when I go "wow this looks really good" but I have never really paid attention to it beyond that, and "bad animation" has almost never made me like something less.

Were people complaining about Sukunda vs Maraganga? Jesus, this fight is the single good thing about this second season.

i made a whole thread with poll about it its just the vocal minority complaining here https://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=2131481

@delirific

Idk man, It REALLY depends on the type of show.

Something like redline would never work nearly as well as it does without it's stunning visuals.

Also, idk if you have seen it, but would you not say the drop from one punch man season 1 to 2 made you enjoy it less?

are you implying that season 1 was better? or do you just not feel too strongly about the series as a whole?

Cause for me, s2 has made the show go from "a pretty good shounen" to "HOLY FUCK I AM SCREAMING EVERY EPISODE FROM HYPE"

Like I am liking s2 a hundred times more than s1, so If you did prefer season 1 I am really curious to know why?

@DigiCat

Respectfully, I have said this before, and will say it again, I'm never going to talk about animation quality with you. The way you see "animation" is just so different from everyone else, that any discussion would be meaningless.

But just for the record. I think s2 has better animation than s1, and the only episodes were I could see their tight schedule slip through were episodes 8, 14 and 18.


The rest of it looks absolutely amazing, and even those few episodes don't look "bad". in fact they still look great in comparison to an average show, but they are clearly unfinished. episode 18 for example looks completely fine in the nanami section, and is a directing highlight with the whole beach contrast thing.

and as far as animation highlights go, episodes 13, 15, 16 and 17 are probably some of, if not the most well animated episodes all year.

@APolygons2 Well, for me, it was the opposite. During the first season, I thought it was a cool battle shounen with the potential to get better. But now, during the Shibuya arc, I started to dislike Jujutsu more. It was nice with the potential to improve, but now I'm finding it bad.

@APolygons2 How does having a different view on things make conversation meaningless T^T

I mean i don't expect us to agree on eachothers viewpoints, but theres nothing wrong with sharing them and talking about our thoughts on them


True that Nanami's scenes are well directed, but, resepectfully, i have said this before, direction and animation are 2 seperate things
Though admitedly Nanami scenes are nowhere near the worst animated parts of ep. 18, that trophy goes to Yuji's running scenes


Personally i think s1 has the better animation, maybe the few highlight eps of s2 have animation on par or even better than s1, but on a whole i think s1 wins

people will complain about anything. With JJK could it be the framerate? Or is it just the gif? I couldn't really see any issue there except maybe that his pupils suddenly poof ahha. but overall looks pretty cool

Damn OP is pissed.
I don't pay attention to complaints from the JJK community but the gif OP provided looks very stylized (and by that I mean more stylized than usual as all animation is stylized by nature) so this may be a case of stylistic preferences of parts of the community not lining up with the show and them mistakingly calling it "bad animation"
Or maybe the animation is just crap. I don't know. I haven't actually seen it yet.

It's not bad but it's nothing good either. The action sequences in Shibuya are just not that well executed if you ask me. It felt like MAPPA was just spamming the animation by throwing the characters, rubbles and other objects around erratically rather than fluidly.

@TRC_Randy the movement is also extremely fluid though

animation is not exactly something that you just spam, specially in highly choreographed scenes like the action of jjk

you need to get into more detail.

I love it when they say the animation but mean the art style.

Normally it wouldn't, but when it comes to animation and me and you, it doesn't feel like just different view points.

you have a fundamentally different standard for animation than most people, so the "good animation" of me is just different from yours entirely. It's not worth arguing over what is bad and good, when we are looking at completely different aspects. the word "animation" is the only common ground.

but it's nothing personal, I just don't see it going anywhere d:



I mean yeah of course.



wait wait wait? really?

The scene that was by far the worst looking was the scene where yuji and mahito were walking towards each other. that is the biggest part that has looked unfinished through out the whole season.



They are 2 different to fully compare.

But what I will say that, what S1 may have above 2 to make it look better, is the Art, not the animation.

S2's animation short comings compared to s1 are all from the singular shots being less detailed in comparison. specially when looking at none fight scenes, S2 just is a lot more animated. most none fights in s1 are still or very simple shots.

You didn't really answer the question of "why" though?

Cause shibuya has higher stakes, more character development, more twists, and gives more depth to all of the characters. It is clearly a more pact of the story, so if you like it less, there has to be a reason for it.

and I'm curious on what that reason is.

@deg

I mean yes, obviously it is the minority, If it wasn't we would REALLY be in trouble as a society.

But like, the number of people complaining is SCARY.

Let's say they are around 10%. that number is absurd.

Look at something like mob psycho 100 season 2 episode 5. similar quality sakuga, and setting and style of animation. It is unanimously loved as one of the best mob psycho episodes, and I have never seen a single soul complain about it's animation.

and mob psycho IS popular.

but turn that popularity just a level up, and now around 10% people think it sucks....

I think it's mostly just that the majority of people who only watch mainstream are spoiled due to mainstream being for a major part being high quality animation. I personally much prefer style over animation and think choreography is more important than animation. However I can admit that I'm definitely in the minority and that the average viewer will not care about those things and mostly base the medium off of it's animation quality. Which I don't think u can blame them on considering that's the reason to pick up an anime over the original content often being a LN, VN or Manga where u don't have those smooth opportunities.

They're just spoiled on seeing good animation from the few shows they have seen so when something doesn't meet that expectation after waiting for years. They will go and rant about it online.

I haven't seen S2 of JJK so I can't comment on the animation but I did read the manga but dropped it around Shibuya a few years ago since I did not like the direction it was going.

This just makes me more curios to know what the difference is 😭 What's my standerd vs yours for example??


The walking scenes too weren't great

Yuji's running scenes looked like they cam out of a PS2 game, it's good for a PS2 game, not so much for an action anime


This i don't understand... art is an even more subjective topic than animation

Although i do also prefere the artstyle of s1 to s2, at least the first half of s2, i do really like how they changed up the art of s2 ep 15 onwards

Still don't get what this has to do with animation though, by that logic anything pst ep 15 of s2 should look better animated than pre ep 15, but that is not necessarily the case


This is one part of animation we see differently, for me the complexity of a scene/shot isn't what determinds the quality of it, i'm sure there's a better word for what i'm trying to say but don't remember it now :P
Point is, if a still or simple shot is well placed within the whole scene and gives it the illusion of fluidity, for me the scene is better animated than say for example a more complex shot that comes off as stiff

@APolygons2 I didn't see this character development. Apparently, a lot was at stake, but in reality, it wasn't that significant. Only secondary and underdeveloped characters died. Flashbacks were out of order, Miwa's romance came out of nowhere and went nowhere. A bunch of fights that didn't mean anything; apart from Mahito vs. Yuji, nothing really mattered. Even a potentially impactful moment, 'Getou' sealing Gojou, didn't have the proper impact because Getou is being controlled.

Idiotic moments like Toji's suicide, the guy who killed Satoru Gojou should have killed Fushiguro in seconds, just like he did with the octopus guy. 'Stand Proud.' Nobara's flashback seconds before she seemingly died. There were also moments where the direction left much to be desired, some moments in Sukuna vs. Maratanga's fight before it got serious, moments in Mahito vs. Yuji.

I could go on for a good while mentioning reasons that made Jujutsu fall in quality for me. I think Gege Akutami tried to take a step larger than the leg in this arc and ended up failing. Let's see how it will be after this.

it's the gif



I'm also pretty certain that's on purpose because sakuna lol

It's a really sick episode, potential best of the year imo

@APolygons2 i was talking about the sequences not the movements.

An actual well-choreographed and well-shot fight would be like most fights in OPM s1, Mob Psycho s2, and this op


Compare Shibuya to those and you should see why i call it "spamming".

I Actually did even compare the fight to mob psycho's best fights in this very thread. so examples aren't exactly helping your case here.

The episode I am talking about is almost identical to mob psycho s2 ep5 in terms of visuals and scale.

and that is imo easily the best looking mob psycho episode.

Its weird that you mentioned how ep 16 is a "visual feast", but then you posted a gif from episode 17...From what I have seen, not many people complained about ep 16, which you are right about. However, that are much more people complaining about ep 17 (Mahoraga fight). With this fight, I hands up agree that the animation is pretty fluid, but there are certainly many flaws too. For example, some people said that they couldn't understand what the animation is showing. With flaws like these, no matter how good the animation itself is, the animation can still be criticized and you totally should NOT be mad about it.

I used to criticze a lot, but I am also a hard JJK fan. We criticize aren't because we dislike JJK; its because we think it can be even better/it can be improved in a certain way. Idek what there is to be mad about. But ig I feel you, that some ppl are toxic and complain just for the sake of it.

"Like I just want you to imagine, you've been animating for 50 hours a week, under a tight as hell schedule to animated THIS"
Bringing up animators really feels like moral kidnapping. I created a post on this before, saying that animator's experience shouldnt be used as an argument to justify why the animation is good. Like tbh, not everyone have to be selfless and care about the animators. One can totally be very selfish, and only care about his/her own viewing experience, and that is okay to me. If someone tells me they don't care about mappa animators, I will be totally fine with that. If i am being really selfish, at the end of the day, we are just consumers. There really isn't a need to care about what happened in the process of making the anime. I don't promote this thought, but I am just saying the truth.

>Guy who's watched less than 40 anime released from the inception of the medium till the year 2010 tries to comment on others' takes on animation
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