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Jul 11, 2023 7:46 PM
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APolygons2 said:
DigiCat said:

The rest of your list i'd say is just mediocre/generic rather than outright bad
also, to add salt to the injury, you have enough beef with csm to think it's one of the worst, and your biggest problem is the cgi, but you are ok with BAKI 2018?

the show with some of the worst cgi in anime?

the show with THIS? :




this is average but csm is one of the worst you have seen?

atleast BAKI wasn't fully CGIed, unlike ShitShowMan..........................
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dumbandinsane said:
APolygons2 said:
also, to add salt to the injury, you have enough beef with csm to think it's one of the worst, and your biggest problem is the cgi, but you are ok with BAKI 2018?

the show with some of the worst cgi in anime?

the show with THIS? :




this is average but csm is one of the worst you have seen?

atleast BAKI wasn't fully CGIed, unlike ShitShowMan..........................
well... the thing is, CSM wasn't fully cgi. in fact baki had way more noticeable cgi characters than csm, so you actually have less than 0 idea what you are even saying.

even your backwards logic is objectively false.
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APolygons2 said:
dumbandinsane said:
atleast BAKI wasn't fully CGIed, unlike ShitShowMan..........................
well... the thing is, CSM wasn't fully cgi. in fact baki had way more noticeable cgi characters than csm, so you actually have less than 0 idea what you are even saying.

even your backwards logic is objectively false.
Yeah. Not only was CSM not fully CGI, but even some of the scenes that people thought were CGI actually weren't, and were animated by hand (specifically a bunch of shots from the Zombie Devil fight).

And honestly, even then, the CGI mostly looked pretty good. I think CGI is at its best when it's being used in fast-paced fight sequences, like we see in Chainsaw Man, or in the Jibril vs. Schwi fight from No Game No Life Zero. I think the only time when it looked bad was when Denji and Katana Man were talking on top of the train in the finale (and even that was better than 90% of CGI in anime). But Mappa haters will find any reason to criticize the Chainsaw Man anime, even if they're just straight up wrong.
Jul 11, 2023 8:17 PM
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None of you have ever seen the Yebisu Celebrities 1st OVA. There's are tons of OVAs with PowerPoint presentation-level animation if you search for it.
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DigiCat said:
I'm not an animation expert, but for me, some red flags of "bad animation" are inexpressive characters, constantly changing proportions, flat and/or stiff movement

The worst animation (imo) (order from horrific to minor nitpicks)

  • Kemurikusa
  • Mushikago no Cagaste
  • Blame (movie)
  • Revisions
  • Ninja Batman
  • Japan Sinks 2020
  • Devilman Crybaby
  • Hero Mask
  • Chainsaw Man
  • So I'm A Spider So What?
  • Elfen Lied
  • Kaguya-Sama
  • Black Clover
  • Heavenly Delusion
  • Arslan Senki
  • Fire Force
  • Tokyo Revengers

Note: this is only regarding animation quality, not it's style or character and world design
Can anyone rly beat MUSASHI -GANDOU- in terms of bad animation?
Challenge accepted.

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DigiCat said:
I'm not an animation expert, but for me, some red flags of "bad animation" are inexpressive characters, constantly changing proportions, flat and/or stiff movement

The worst animation (imo) (order from horrific to minor nitpicks)

  • Kemurikusa
  • Mushikago no Cagaste
  • Blame (movie)
  • Revisions
  • Ninja Batman
  • Japan Sinks 2020
  • Devilman Crybaby
  • Hero Mask
  • Chainsaw Man
  • So I'm A Spider So What?
  • Elfen Lied
  • Kaguya-Sama
  • Black Clover
  • Heavenly Delusion
  • Arslan Senki
  • Fire Force
  • Tokyo Revengers

Note: this is only regarding animation quality, not it's style or character and world design
Btw want to point out you have 0 sense in terms of animation lolz
Heavenly Delusion has better animation than Demon Slayer of the same season.
CSM has better animation than almost all shows of the same season (Yes it has better animation than thousand years war)
Fire force has rly good animation too.

Just because you dont like the anime/ direction of the anime does not make it bad animation.
It's because of post like this , people cant take Mal users' opinion seriously because most of their opinions are objectively false. 
They cant distinguish between opinion vs facts.
If it's just "I dislike the direction of the anime" then yeah we can respect your opinion. 
If they use the word animation, they have to present facts to back it up.
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I think we all feel the same way. Bad animation is unintentional inconsistencies (constantly changing proportions, Komi-san S2 episode 10 is a prime example, particularly in the facial department, one of their many outsourced episodes no doubt, whoever the hired freelancers are not seeming to get the memo on how any of the characters were supposed to look), and well, lack of actual ANIMATION/movement (flat and/or stiff movement): most shots consisting of freeze frames and panning shots to simply insinuate movement.

Bad animation: lack of animation, or in some rare cases you get that scene that just makes you go: huh??



I've only watched a few fire force episodes before dropping it, but I have a good idea of its production quality and I have no idea why it's down on the 'horrific' side of your list. I'll just tell myself that everyone's entitled to their own opinions and call it a day.



Tokyo Revengers at the bottom? Not the worst thing in the world, but still pretty bad, so I'll give you that.
Black Clover? Inconsistent for sure, but not terrible. Still gets the job done with all the episodes it had, and even looked pretty good at times.
Devilman Crybaby? Sure it's not the art style, not animation, that you don't like?
Revisions reminded me of some kids saturday cartoon, so yeah it can go on your list even if the animation wasn't necessarily bad. Only watched a few episodes of it when scouting for new anime to watch on netflix when I first started.

Won't give my opinion on the rest because I haven't seen them, except for.....

Kaguya-sama..... Chainsaw Man...... Heavenly Delusion......

everyone'sentittledtotheirownopinion,everyone'sentitledtotheirownopinion,everyone'sentitledtotheirownopinion......



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Jul 11, 2023 10:02 PM

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fire force and chainsaw man? are you kidding me? they had superb animation what are you talking about?
Jul 12, 2023 12:49 AM

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MizunoWaveRider said:
I don't agree with your assertion that immersion and understanding the creation process are two sides of the same coin. Most animation back in the day, and even today, is aimed at children, who obviously don't understand the creation process yet are still mesmerized by the simplest of animation. Since that has been the primary target audience for so long many of the standards for what makes good animation is also based on what children like to see. So in my eyes, it's obvious that liking animation precedes what we believe to be good animation, not vice versa.

Actually, when animation was first introduced, the core audience was almost exclusively adults, if we exclude pieces that had no target audience and appealed to many. Only after 1930s the bigger cinematography countires like States or Soviet Union started transitioning towards using animation as a product for children. Especially this boomed in 1950-60s with the introduction of TV and children's shows. Adult animation started getting popularity once again with Flinstones, in States at least, but really got momentum after 1980s. Adult audience market is smaller, but that's because they're harder to please and not as profitable. On the other hand, most of modern children animation is done dirt cheap.

But your argument for children is not applicable, since they are taught from young age to watch animated content and the content is specifically crafted to get their attention. Immersion is only applicable to adult/developed viewers that make a rational choice to consume the content. Children are conditioned to watching it and will consume anything simple enough for them to understand. Their attention is on the storytelling, not animation. Color plays also a huge role in children's attention and animated pieces are in most cases more colorful than not. So those standards you're talking about are not the animation standards, but rather art and marketability standards.
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If you aren't going to put some criteria of notoriety to limit the trash, then I can easily whip up worse animation in mspaint than any of these. Even going by what's on MAL, you still have a lot of utter trash like https://myanimelist.net/anime/30212/Kono_Mayonnaise_wa_Yuru_Sugiru which is rated 4.09 because 117 idiots decided to ironically rate it a 10.
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Piano no Mori is number one
Second is Ao no Orchestra

Terrible CGI
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SkyfallStar said:
MizunoWaveRider said:
I don't agree with your assertion that immersion and understanding the creation process are two sides of the same coin. Most animation back in the day, and even today, is aimed at children, who obviously don't understand the creation process yet are still mesmerized by the simplest of animation. Since that has been the primary target audience for so long many of the standards for what makes good animation is also based on what children like to see. So in my eyes, it's obvious that liking animation precedes what we believe to be good animation, not vice versa.

Actually, when animation was first introduced, the core audience was almost exclusively adults, if we exclude pieces that had no target audience and appealed to many. Only after 1930s the bigger cinematography countires like States or Soviet Union started transitioning towards using animation as a product for children. Especially this boomed in 1950-60s with the introduction of TV and children's shows. Adult animation started getting popularity once again with Flinstones, in States at least, but really got momentum after 1980s. Adult audience market is smaller, but that's because they're harder to please and not as profitable. On the other hand, most of modern children animation is done dirt cheap.

But your argument for children is not applicable, since they are taught from young age to watch animated content and the content is specifically crafted to get their attention. Immersion is only applicable to adult/developed viewers that make a rational choice to consume the content. Children are conditioned to watching it and will consume anything simple enough for them to understand. Their attention is on the storytelling, not animation. Color plays also a huge role in children's attention and animated pieces are in most cases more colorful than not. So those standards you're talking about are not the animation standards, but rather art and marketability standards.
Disney set the standard for animation, and the target audience for disney was children. While Japan deviates in some aspects their standards are still based on Disney animation.
Most adult-oriented cartoons are badly animated sitcoms with lowbrow humor.

Adults are conditioned, children are honest to themselves until the conditioning sets in.
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MizunoWaveRider said:
Again, the standard for good animation should be the effect it has on people.


I agree with this notion.
There is a great segment of the legendary director and animator Hiroyuki Imaishi where he explains some of the (intended) limited animation sequences in Kill La Kill to better convey its humor - as opposed to say Nichijou. (I think it was part of the making of Kill La Kill documentary, but I'm not sure.)
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The worst animation I've seen was probably in Hoshi no Samidare.
I don't have anything against rotoscoping (I happen to like Aku no Hana) but Hana to Alice: Satsujin Jiken rotoscoping was extremely bad. The slow motion scenes were alright though.
Also hated the CG ocean of snow in Ookuyumi no Kaina.
For me personally, 'bad' animation (by 'bad animation' I mean animation that would conventionally be called bad animation) is not necessarily a bad thing. A recent example would be something like Kaminaki Sekai no Kamisama Katsudou. I wouldn't like that show as much as I do if it had 'good animation'. The cheapness of 'bad animation' can also be enjoyable sometimes.
In the same way, 'good animation' is not necessarily a good thing. I would like Violet Evergarden more than I do right now if it had 'worse animation' and 'worse character design'. There should be a balance between style and substance and a lot of KyoAni have too much 'style' in my opinion.
Felori said:
Nobody of you knows what animation is until you have looked into Handshakers, now the studio's new anime The Girl I Like Forgot her Glasses.



I bet they think they are artsy and revolutionary.

This isn't really animation though. It's a bit odd to give an example of bad animation with a still screenshot. As for the weirdness of this screenshot, it has more to do with the bad lighting than animation.
For the weird GoHands camera angles, if you ask me, cinematography is a better word compared to 'animation'.
For me personally, weirdness is refreshing so I happen to like these weird camera angles as well.

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Oongbuh said:
If anything, Aoi Yuuki's perfotmance was the best thing about it.

ko-kono hito.....\(ʘдʘ╬) chouun will act like he didn't read that...

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I don't even know if this forums are just badly infested with trolls baiting for attention or people are that out of touch. I'm just at loss at this point.
Like, seriously... Half of those you listed have objectively amazing animation.

Thanatos1 said:
This isn't really animation though. It's a bit odd to give an example of bad animation with a still screenshot. As for the weirdness of this screenshot, it has more to do with the bad lighting than animation.
For the weird GoHands camera angles, if you ask me, cinematography is a better word compared to 'animation'.
For me personally, weirdness is refreshing so I happen to like these weird camera angles as well.


It actually looks much worse in motion, because if you slap 2D model atop CG stock asset you have this atrocity. Just look how 2D model of that character does not reflect in the railing, which is supposed to be reflective, because the background does reflect. That's how little effort they put.
And worst of all, this was supposed to be some sort of flex, because that scene is literally from the PV and by the way it is made, it is clear that they tried to prove something.
Those kind of mistakes were all over the first episode, so it is not a cherrypick.
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Not sure why there's been such a rise of people out there trying to act like anime with reasonable, decent or genuinely good animation has bad animation. I'm sure some a lot of it is just trolling and ragebaiting but I doubt all of them are.
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APolygons2 said:
uhhhhh.... bro I think you need new eyes

Admitedly CSM 2D animation is better than it's 3D animation (i personally still think there where moments the characters could've been more expressive and some movements, even facial movements, looked distorted) but there's a slight problem with those battle gifs you posted... they both have filters on them, which makes it harder to distinguish the difference between the quality of the 2D bat and 3D Chainsaw Man

APolygons2 said:
tomodachi game is barely animated, saying csm is on the same level as it, because the cgi looked a little off in a handful of scenes, is an insult to animation as a medium.

I'm not talking about the amount of animation, but the quality of it, and no it wasn't just a handful of shots, it was every damn battle scene, which i'd say is a very important part of a battle shounen anime

APolygons2 said:
and I was not cherry picking these tomodachi game gifs, these are actually the least bad things that came out when I searched "tomodachi game gif" the show just straight up doesn't have a single well animated shot. it's all from ok-dog shit

Tomodachi Game from what i've seen has bad choreography, there's a difference between choreography and animation, CSM does have very good choreography most of the time, but it's animated badly

APolygons2 said:
they have very few still shots

The amount of still shots is not in relitive proportion to the animetion quality

APolygons2 said:
you should know a LOT of work goes into that kind of thing.

I know a LOT of work goes into animation, that doesn't mean every single product will come out well, that's like saying "well everyone works hard studying for a test" does that mean everyone should get a passing grade just because they worked hard? (maybe not the best example since there are of course kids who don't bother studying, but not everyone who does study will necesserily get good grades)
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 Sorry for splitting in 2 replies, had to give cats dinner 🐱

APolygons2 said:
since you have batman ninja here, a movie where the cgi animation is the one thing that pretty much everyone likes about it.

For real? I mean it's not the worst of the worst, but it's pretty damn awful...

APolygons2 said:
this is average but csm is one of the worst you have seen?

I did say based on the trailers, but yes this is moving Baki from mediocre to bad animation


ShatteredSans said:
even if you dislike Chainsaw Man's CGI, which is good by anime standards

Yeah... when there's anime from the 90s and 2000s with better CGI, i wouldn't consider it good by anime standerds...


Ventus_S said:
Can anyone rly beat MUSASHI -GANDOU- in terms of bad animation?
Challenge accepted

That's some pretty bad shit you found there lol

Ventus_S said:
Heavenly Delusion has better animation than Demon Slayer of the same season

No freaking way, at least give some examples of why you think Heavenly Delusion's animation beats Demon Slayer's

Ventus_S said:
CSM has better animation than almost all shows of the same season (Yes it has better animation than thousand years war)

I haven't seen the new Bleach (or the OG for that matter) so won't comment on that, but still CSM one of the best animations of fall 2022, really? That's the same season as Spy x Family, which even improved on it's animation compare to part 1, if Mob Psycho III kept up the same quality of s1 it definitely takes one of the top spots for best animation, i would've liked to say MHA s6 should be in the mix, but i feel animation quality declined a bit from previous seasons, and Cool Doji Danshi although it has a very simple style it's one of Pierrot's best works in a while, sometimes less is more

Ventus_S said:
Just because you dont like the anime/ direction of the anime does not make it bad animation

If i only included anima i disliked in the list then why would i list Revisions as one of the worst animated? I actually enjoyed it quite a bit, and in fact the directing is what saved that anime (imo), that doesn't change that the animation was utter crap


BetaMaleUltra said:
constantly changing proportions, Komi-san S2 episode 10 is a prime example

Good to hear i've got something to look foward to when i watch Komi s2 😭

BetaMaleUltra said:
I've only watched a few fire force episodes before dropping it, but I have a good idea of its production quality and I have no idea why it's down on the 'horrific' side of your list

Noooooo, the horrific side of the list is the top of the list, i did it from worst to "best" 🤣

Yes the battles were pretty well done in Fire Force, i had more of a problem with slower moving scenes, which included a lot of still shots and missing facial fetures
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EX-ARM and Tesla Note, both have passable manga series, but not so good anime adaptations.
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Buckkor said:
Paul said:
Not sure why there's been such a rise of people out there trying to act like anime with reasonable, decent or genuinely good animation has bad animation. I'm sure some a lot of it is just trolling and ragebaiting but I doubt all of them are.

I don't think there is such a rise...
I've been this site for some time. It's definitely more prominent. The most common targets I've seen of recent are both MAPPA shows, Chainsaw Man and Jujutsu, with the later being hit a bunch due to its new season just airing. Its discussion board literally has more than 10 topics about its animation. Feel free to guess how many of them are positive and how many are negative.
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Ore ga Suki nano wa Imouto dakedo Imouto ja Nai definitely has the absolute worst animation I can recall. It just seems so cheap and inconsistent, makes the characters look absolutely freakish in some situations, maybe the animators just didn't care.



I've always liked attention to detail and consistency in animation, that what makes it good imo, and definitely not.... whatever the hell this is.

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Ore ga Suki nano wa Imouto dakedo Imouto ja Nai definitely has the absolute worst animation I can recall. It just seems so cheap and inconsistent, makes the characters look absolutely freakish in some situations, maybe the animators just didn't care

Definitely agree, she looks like a completely different person from what i saw in the trailer
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Put it this way, I'm still impressed by that old anime about characters shaking each other's hands that literally gave me a headache trying to watch it.
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My Sister, My Writer and Abunai Sisters are tied. One has an inherently poor direction, the other had no budget. Also Fist of the Blue Star and Berserk (2016).





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Persona 5 The Animation is one the the worst looking anime ever watch due to how stiff and bad the fights are and just how often the characters go off model. The FMV cutscenes in the game look better than the animation P5A.
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I dont know why GoHands studio is receiving that amount of hate, I dont think the animation of that anime is that bad. And actually I dont see an anime with bad animation yet, wait nvm I would say Hana to Alice movie.
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Adimus_prime said:
Persona 5 The Animation is one the the worst looking anime ever watch due to how stiff and bad the fights are and just how often the characters go off model

Yeah that looks pretty bad... well glad i'm never gonna reach that point, hated the Persona 3 movie, but at least that had some sweet dark animation

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wait nvm I would say Hana to Alice movie

That is worse than anything on my list! Congrats on holding the position of having found the worst animated anime 👍
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DigiCat said:


MrPro06 said:
wait nvm I would say Hana to Alice movie

That is worse than anything on my list! Congrats on holding the position of having found the worst animated anime 👍


Fangs dont kill me for that 😭, I just was trying new independient anime, bad idea.
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ChouunShiryuu said:
Oongbuh said:
If anything, Aoi Yuuki's perfotmance was the best thing about it.

ko-kono hito.....\(ʘдʘ╬) chouun will act like he didn't read that...



I don't think I've ever felt this much second-hand embarassment reading a comment as I did with this one.
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DigiCat said:
APolygons2 said:
uhhhhh.... bro I think you need new eyes

Admitedly CSM 2D animation is better than it's 3D animation (i personally still think there where moments the characters could've been more expressive and some movements, even facial movements, looked distorted) but there's a slight problem with those battle gifs you posted... they both have filters on them, which makes it harder to distinguish the difference between the quality of the 2D bat and 3D Chainsaw Man

APolygons2 said:
tomodachi game is barely animated, saying csm is on the same level as it, because the cgi looked a little off in a handful of scenes, is an insult to animation as a medium.

I'm not talking about the amount of animation, but the quality of it, and no it wasn't just a handful of shots, it was every damn battle scene, which i'd say is a very important part of a battle shounen anime

APolygons2 said:
and I was not cherry picking these tomodachi game gifs, these are actually the least bad things that came out when I searched "tomodachi game gif" the show just straight up doesn't have a single well animated shot. it's all from ok-dog shit

Tomodachi Game from what i've seen has bad choreography, there's a difference between choreography and animation, CSM does have very good choreography most of the time, but it's animated badly

APolygons2 said:
they have very few still shots

The amount of still shots is not in relitive proportion to the animetion quality

APolygons2 said:
you should know a LOT of work goes into that kind of thing.

I know a LOT of work goes into animation, that doesn't mean every single product will come out well, that's like saying "well everyone works hard studying for a test" does that mean everyone should get a passing grade just because they worked hard? (maybe not the best example since there are of course kids who don't bother studying, but not everyone who does study will necesserily get good grades)


It's amazing how every reply just shows more and more how little you know about what the hell you are talking about. What the hell about Chainsaw Man is "animated badly"? And coreography IS part of animation to begin. The literal definition of animation is MOVEMENT, so a show having so many still frames does make it objectively poorly animated.
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Ignoring the dog shit list, Berserk 2016, Seven deadly sins season 3, Ex-arm, Kingdom season 1, are the shows that come to mind.
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Oongbuh said:
It's amazing how every reply just shows more and more how little you know about what the hell you are talking about. What the hell about Chainsaw Man is "animated badly"?

Ehh... literally Chainsaw Man himself

Oongbuh said:
And coreography IS part of animation to begin. The literal definition of animation is MOVEMENT, so a show having so many still frames does make it objectively poorly animated

Sorry but LMFAO!! No choreography is not part of animation, yes the 2 go hand in hand, but it's 2 seperate parts of the production process

Yes i agree too many still frames is bad, but having still frames here and there is not, even having a lower frame rate is not bad, many older anime use lower frame rates (and more stills) than todays works yet can look 100 times better
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DigiCat said:
I'm not an animation expert, but for me, some red flags of "bad animation" are inexpressive characters, constantly changing proportions, flat and/or stiff movement

The worst animation (imo) (order from horrific to minor nitpicks)

  • Kemurikusa
  • Mushikago no Cagaste
  • Blame (movie)
  • Revisions
  • Ninja Batman
  • Japan Sinks 2020
  • Devilman Crybaby
  • Hero Mask
  • Chainsaw Man
  • So I'm A Spider So What?
  • Elfen Lied
  • Kaguya-Sama
  • Black Clover
  • Heavenly Delusion
  • Arslan Senki
  • Fire Force
  • Tokyo Revengers

Note: this is only regarding animation quality, not it's style or character and world design
A lot of those shows have really good animation. Like what problem did you have with heavenly delusion? That show looked great.

Anyways for my answer out of the stuff I've seen I'd probably go with One Piece. Though I have seen clips of new episodes that look really good a lot of older episodes are really wonky. Like there are several scenes with a forward camera pan where you can see the line art get very pixely, and the proportions especially for Nami get really off model a lot. And a lot of other obvious cost-cutting measures. 

Also for things I haven't seen, every recent anime by Gohands looks insane lmao. I'm doing an animation internship rn and the camera angles and storyboard compositions in the new glasses girl show are nightmarish. They're super ambitious and high effort for super lackluster results. Like the staircase scene even looks like a pretty skilled animator did the keyframes for it but the in-betweens and timing just got fucked. Everything looks real floaty. 

There's also the cgi berserk anime that also looked terrible from clips I've seen.
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JKKH said:
Like what problem did you have with heavenly delusion? That show looked great

I think the first episodes were pretty good, but found it got very inconsistent towards the end, like for example there was lack of lighting in some scenes from the last eps

JKKH said:
I'm doing an animation internship rn

🤩🤩🤩 Educate me! What do you think of the animation of the ones i mentioned? (btw i'm not only interested in storyboard composition and choreography, but also character expressions and other subtle details)
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DigiCat said:
JKKH said:
Like what problem did you have with heavenly delusion? That show looked great

I think the first episodes were pretty good, but found it got very inconsistent towards the end, like for example there was lack of lighting in some scenes from the last eps

JKKH said:
I'm doing an animation internship rn

🤩🤩🤩 Educate me! What do you think of the animation of the ones i mentioned? (btw i'm not only interested in storyboard composition and choreography, but also character expressions and other subtle details)
There's not much I can really say, I'm mostly in charge of in-betweens, inking and coloring, and cleaning up roughs. I've done roughs for not super complicated actions for some scenes, stuff like head turns, and expression changes. The most complicated thing I've done so far was a walk cycle. But mostly kinda more grunt work kinda stuff. Though out of the ones you mentioned that I've seen I agree on Elen Lied looking pretty bad. Arslan Senki also looked pretty mediocre but not like overly so. It has been a long time since I've seen it though. Chainsaw Man animation-wise was really good though I think some of the compositions lacked the same impact as the manga scenes. Devilman is weird looking but I wouldn't say badly animated, just super heavily stylized. Kaguya sama looks pretty decent from clips I've seen. 

There's a good youtube channel that goes over anime animation techniques called Dong Chang. He goes over stuff that would be hard for me to explain just in writing. And his tutorials are pretty easy to follow nothing super complicated.

Also I'm curious what anime would you say you really think look good?  Maybe because I sorta know what it's like to animate I'm a lot less picky about stuff, I understand the struggle behind it lol.

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Anyways for my answer out of the stuff I've seen I'd probably go with One Piece. Though I have seen clips of new episodes that look really good a lot of older episodes are really wonky. Like there are several scenes with a forward camera pan where you can see the line art get very pixely, and the proportions especially for Nami get really off model a lot. And a lot of other obvious cost-cutting measures

Admittedly i've only just started watching it again after a really long time, so might've just not gotten to those bits yet, but so far i'm liking most of it
Although...


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Also I'm curious what anime would you say you really think look good?  Maybe because I sorta know what it's like to animate I'm a lot less picky about stuff, I understand the struggle behind it lol

To narrow down what i think are some of the best animations (in no particulatr order)

  • Anything Ghibli (minur the CGI nightmare)
  • Outlaw Star
  • Oshi no Ko
  • Dead Leaves
  • Devilman OVA
  • Fullmetal Alchemist/FMAB
  • Hunter x Hunter 1999
  • Demon Slayer
  • Digimon 
  • Perfect Blue
  • Psycho-Pass
  • Redline
  • Attack On Titan (Wit version)
  • Soul Eater
  • Spy x Family
  • X/1999
  • FLCL
  • Flip Flappers
  • Kill la Kill
  • No Game No Life

This was so much harder than finding the worst animations, there's many more i think are amazing, this is just to give you an idea of my thoughts, expressive characters, flowing movements, good incorporation/blending of CGI
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The answer is, of course, lots of anime which I haven't seen. Having a really tiny budget with which you just can't do much in the way of animation rather dominates the matter. Nothing which actually gets broadcast on television will be anywhere near consideration.
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I'm shocked to see Ninja Batman on there. Figured no one else remembered that was even a thing. I might be weird for this, but I thought it had it's own little charm to it. Honestly I had more issues with the Marvel anime I watched. How a Wolverine anime didn't have some of the most interesting and badass animation out of any action anime is beyond me.
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Not sure if this is still the case as I know it was retouched and redistributed with the fixes but... I watched the first couple of episodes of Sailor Moon Crystal as they aired. I'd seen the adaptation of their 90s transformation sequences into "3D tries (and fails) to do 2D" in the promotional material and hated it but to my surprise, it should have been the least of my concerns. 

(sorry for the weird crop, I found this on google so no idea what's up with the random white space on the right lol)
Left hand side is what aired. Right hand side is after it was fixed.

As for what makes an anime bad... I work in animation (though anime production is a whole different can of worms), and from that standpoint it looks to me like the issue with that particular series was crunch time and general poor scheduling. They fixed it after airing, because they had the time to. I get the impression that to hit the airing date they had to get something, anything out as fast as possible resulting in a drop in quality. I know when I'm trying to churn something out in a rush to hit a deadline I'll sometimes be forced to go for passable instead of good. I feel like a lot of "bad" anime suffers from this specifically.

And one last thing... how dare you put Devilman Crybaby on that list!! I will die on this hill but nothing Masaaki Yuasa has touched in any capacity will ever be poorly animated. 
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FanofAction said:
I might be weird for this, but I thought it had it's own little charm to it.

It does have it's own little charm, i actually quite enjoyed it, but it's charm is not the animation

FanofAction said:
Honestly I had more issues with the Marvel anime I watched. How a Wolverine anime didn't have some of the most interesting and badass animation out of any action anime is beyond me

Yeah, i've had that Wolverine anime on hold for over a year, it was so slow it'd make a snail look like The Flash 😭


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Left hand side is what aired. Right hand side is after it was fixed

No way did that air... for fucking real?? It looks bloody terrible!

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And one last thing... how dare you put Devilman Crybaby on that list!! I will die on this hill but nothing Masaaki Yuasa has touched in any capacity will ever be poorly animated

Devilman OVA animation was 1000x better than Crybaby, fight me
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@DigiCat Animation for sure could have been better. That mech battle at the end will always hold a spot in my heart and the back of my mind, along with those monkeys though.
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And here is the latest culprit of crappy animation Dark Gathering
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one punch man  segunda temporada 
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 primeiros eps de dragon super 
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naruto shipuden

Yeah OG Naruto looks way better than Shippuden, and Shippuden looks better than Boruto...
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"what do you think makes animation good or bad"

Many factors: fluidity, staying on model, how interesting the storyboard was to begin with, how adequate is the choreography (it can be underproduced or overproduced), how complex are the animated scenes (like tracing by hand a video of a passing shinkansen is not that big of achievement in my book), how is the overall consistency of the title (not only peak animation is important, there shouldn't be big discrepancies) ect.
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"I'm talking about animation, not art styl"
"Devilman Crybaby"

100% bait, lol.

Anyway, Ex-Arm is a nice case of fluid but garbage animation. Everybody looks lifeless, things have no weight and the camera work finishes destroying any sense of spatial awareness the viewer might  be having.
Original Macross devolves into a slideshow at some point in the middle. I'm talking 1 image/second or less, with no work whatsoever past a very rushed lineart and coloring job lol. Still a 10/10 show.
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TheBlackPlague said:
Bro really said Devilman Crybaby, Chainsaw Man, Kaguya Sama, Heavenly Delusion and Fire Force LMAO

One of the most clown ass takes ever.
fucking literally, he said he's not an animation expert but to name Heavenly Delusion and Fire Force you gotta be blind
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Deathko said:
"I'm talking about animation, not art styl"
"Devilman Crybaby"

100% bait, lol

So this is good animation in your opinion?





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TheBlackPlague said:
Bro really said Devilman Crybaby, Chainsaw Man, Kaguya Sama, Heavenly Delusion and Fire Force LMAO

One of the most clown ass takes ever.

Well, chainsaw man does look very bad during fight scenes it's just a CG mess with no redeeming qualities.
The quiet scenes look OK, though you can tell that they have aliasing issues with the anime shader they used on the 3d models...
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