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Apr 29, 2023 7:01 PM

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i think the holly trinity is Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze and Ergo Proxy
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There are deep fake shows and the actual intellectual shows.

To put is simplier, those who like Code Geass and Utena are real intellectuals while those who like LotGH or FMAB are deep feke sophists.

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I beg MAL users to grow up and realize people can have different taste than the majority simply because they have different taste with no ulterior dumbass motives

Some things are just different tastes, that I can agree.

However differences between sophism and philosophy is almost as old as philosophy itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist#Modern_usage
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Apr 29, 2023 8:50 PM

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Neon Genesis Evangelion, Serial Experiments Lain, Ghost in the Shell, Cowboy Bebop, Akira, The Tatami Galaxy, Mushishi, Mononoke, Legend of the Galactic Heroes etc...
Apr 29, 2023 9:11 PM
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True elitists tend to spend more time into VNs and things like Touhou than anime.
Apr 29, 2023 9:14 PM

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According to Thatanimesnob, pretty much anything that isn’t anime
Apr 29, 2023 9:27 PM

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Neon Genesis Evangelion, anyone who watches that show is a cringy elitist wannabe
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Apr 29, 2023 9:28 PM

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Good stuff, that's about it.                 
Apr 30, 2023 3:06 AM

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Probably some anime/manga that most people have never heard of. The type of people where all their favorites are these collection of series that have only a couple thousand user ratings.
Apr 30, 2023 3:29 AM
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Elitist is some people who always feel superior than others.

Example Elitist's taste : Oshi no Ko, Kaguya : Love is War, Vinland Saga, Gintama, Overlord, FMABB and many psychological Seinen shows.
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anime elitists do not exist, different tastes do though
Apr 30, 2023 3:55 AM

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Stop using this buzzwords....peoples have different taste, and different standrards..
Apr 30, 2023 4:22 AM

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Every elitist have different taste, so it hard to point to exact shows. For example I've seen someone who lashes tones of praise on Berserk, Parasyte and Monster in one breath and then shit on Legend of the Galactic Heroes and Madoka Magica in the next. And the argument presented was the later two shows are 'fake smart' or 'pretentious', and thus are not really elitist shows. Failing to realise these points could be applied to the former shows also.

I think elitism is a mind set, more than a specific set of shows. I will say newer shows don't get added to the list much till they get a little older - I think it because elitist generally are older anime fans who stick around after the honey moon period and have 'refined' their taste and thus what they were watching as newer fans and still do like becomes what they view as the Avant Garde of anime taste. 



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Apr 30, 2023 4:40 AM
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Rapidly losing brain cells reading this thread. First of all there are no elitists, just kids, second, people have different tastes. If someone tries to portray themselves as superior for liking x anime over y anime, then they're just immature and insecure (probably need something for validating themselves with lul). And if anyone believes that they're some sophisticated intellectual for liking certain anime - that's super cringe.
Apr 30, 2023 4:53 AM

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silversaint said:
i think the holly trinity is Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze and Ergo Proxy


Pretty much, but in Ergo Proxys case it´s SO prententious that it comes back around again and actually becomes kind of a rule-of-cool type of show, at least in my view.
Apr 30, 2023 5:03 AM

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No of course not you, buzzwords are never about you, that absolutely existing group is totally different from you (" avant-garde, experimental nor Philosofical" " or pretentious" by any chance are you from the US?)
Nope, I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Don't really get why that's relevant but there's that. Anyway, to make a rough comparison it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult. Same themes and setting. Both are great although I've only read the manga for Gundam.

Was asking because anti-intellectualism is prominent in the US particularly. "it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult"
What lmfao. "Shonen" for a light novel based series? "Gundam [...] + Politics"? Lol. Lotgh is 100% an elitist series, It's old, slow paced, long, has serious thematics. These are characteristic that are not allowe to ne enjoyed genuinly in the anime community i'm sorry, you're an elitist

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There are deep fake shows and the actual intellectual shows.

To put is simplier, those who like Code Geass and Utena are real intellectuals while those who like LotGH or FMAB are deep feke sophists.

Oznerol7 said:
I beg MAL users to grow up and realize people can have different taste than the majority simply because they have different taste with no ulterior dumbass motives

Some things are just different tastes, that I can agree.

However differences between sophism and philosophy is almost as old as philosophy itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist#Modern_usage

I have no idea what your point here Is.
Apr 30, 2023 5:07 AM

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Examples of the ladder would obviously also include LotGH, i wonder why you left it out[/font]


I've never tried it because of what I've heard, but it's a "great man theory of history" anime isn't it? One where the author thinks that the course of human (or whatever) civilisation is shaped by the decisions of a few highly privileged great people, rather than by what all the people who would never have a news report written about them do. That would make it diametrically opposed to the actual good stuff.

Any competent elitist should focus on stories where the system is the problem.

Yesn't. It's defenitely an idealistic (in a hegelian/philosophical sense) show where "individual people makes history" but not just about "the powerful" making It but individual people in general (there Is a specific scene that would explain better what i mean but would be spoiler).
Btw It's pretty funny how the description you gave Is the ACTUAL definition of elitism (politically/philosphically) as opposed to the made up MAL definition
Apr 30, 2023 5:52 AM

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Ping Pong, Lain, Paprika, Monster, LotGH, Angel's Egg, etc.
Ping Pong and Paprika seem so out of place here though
Apr 30, 2023 6:32 AM

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i suppose i'd likely be considered "Elitist" having SDF MACROSS as my fundamental bedrock Anime franchise.

still and all, i manage to appreciate a good Waifu about as much as the next Average Weeb... 

 

Apr 30, 2023 6:53 AM

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What even constitutes an anime elitist? I mean I guess there are those people who like to go around screeching about how everything is horrible or "mid" except the three or four big-name shounen they consider great. I do see quite a bit of that. Either that or you get the people that just automatically hate anything that gets popular and overhyped, but I'm not sure those people actually like anything other than complaining.
Apr 30, 2023 7:33 AM

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True elitists don't like anime, you'll see them with no list of favourites or a completely random and ironical list, while they trash on everything because ''anime is inherently garbage''.


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...and things like Touhou than anime

But there are Touhou anime you know..like this one - https://myanimelist.net/anime/9874/Touhou_Niji_Sousaku_Doujin_Anime__Musou_Kakyou or this one - https://anidb.net/anime/8624 which MAL refuses to registrate, but AniDB has in its database.
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And what will you do with this information? Look down on their favourites, ofc, because you don't have anything better to do.
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Apr 30, 2023 8:37 AM

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Oznerol7 said:
_Arch___ said:
Nope, I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Don't really get why that's relevant but there's that. Anyway, to make a rough comparison it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult. Same themes and setting. Both are great although I've only read the manga for Gundam.

Was asking because anti-intellectualism is prominent in the US particularly. "it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult"
What lmfao. "Shonen" for a light novel based series? "Gundam [...] + Politics"? Lol. Lotgh is 100% an elitist series, It's old, slow paced, long, has serious thematics. These are characteristic that are not allowe to ne enjoyed genuinly in the anime community i'm sorry, you're an elitist


LMFAO I'm actually dying reading this. Then by your definition I'm assuming Gundam is also elitist? LMAOO my dad watched that on television, literally the most popular mecha show of all time yet fits all categories. Leave your house and your bubble fam, real life is different than the internet. You know what's also old, slow paced and long? DRAGON BALL HAHAHAH, unfortunately it may not fit the extremely vague "serious thematic" quota but oh well. Saint Seiya would too, and that aired in public television around here. Also lol @ you calling me an elitist for liking a single "elitist" show, I guess now that my dad watched cowboy bebop and ghost in the shell he might as well be an anime elitist too lmfao.

This is getting too incel-ish and stupid, also I'm just tired of replying to your italian ass. So call me what you please idgaf



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Oznerol7 said:
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Nope, I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Don't really get why that's relevant but there's that. Anyway, to make a rough comparison it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult. Same themes and setting. Both are great although I've only read the manga for Gundam.

Was asking because anti-intellectualism is prominent in the US particularly. "it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult"
What lmfao. "Shonen" for a light novel based series? "Gundam [...] + Politics"? Lol. Lotgh is 100% an elitist series, It's old, slow paced, long, has serious thematics. These are characteristic that are not allowe to ne enjoyed genuinly in the anime community i'm sorry, you're an elitist


LMFAO I'm actually dying reading this. Then by your definition I'm assuming Gundam is also elitist? LMAOO my dad watched that on television, literally the most popular mecha show of all time yet fits all categories. Leave your house and your bubble fam, real life is different than the internet. You know what's also old, slow paced and long? DRAGON BALL HAHAHAH, unfortunately it may not fit the extremely vague "serious thematic" quota but oh well. Saint Seiya would too, and that aired in public television around here. Also lol @ you calling me an elitist for liking a single "elitist" show, I guess now that my dad watched cowboy bebop and ghost in the shell he might as well be an anime elitist too lmfao.

This is getting too incel-ish and stupid, also I'm just tired of replying to your italian ass. So call me what you please idgaf



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_Arch___ said:
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Was asking because anti-intellectualism is prominent in the US particularly. "it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult"
What lmfao. "Shonen" for a light novel based series? "Gundam [...] + Politics"? Lol. Lotgh is 100% an elitist series, It's old, slow paced, long, has serious thematics. These are characteristic that are not allowe to ne enjoyed genuinly in the anime community i'm sorry, you're an elitist


LMFAO I'm actually dying reading this. Then by your definition I'm assuming Gundam is also elitist? LMAOO my dad watched that on television, literally the most popular mecha show of all time yet fits all categories. Leave your house and your bubble fam, real life is different than the internet. You know what's also old, slow paced and long? DRAGON BALL HAHAHAH, unfortunately it may not fit the extremely vague "serious thematic" quota but oh well. Saint Seiya would too, and that aired in public television around here. Also lol @ you calling me an elitist for liking a single "elitist" show, I guess now that my dad watched cowboy bebop and ghost in the shell he might as well be an anime elitist too lmfao.

This is getting too incel-ish and stupid, also I'm just tired of replying to your italian ass. So call me what you please idgaf
Of course Gundam, Bebop and GitS are elitist, i had no doubt about that. For Gundam only the UC and Turn A tho, if you watch the AU it's not elitist. And yes you're right actually, DB and Saint Seiya perfectly qualify as elitist too.
P.S. Why i'm not surprised people unironically using the word elitist can't understand obvious sarcasm?
P.P.S. Lol wtf has "incel" to do with any of it besides throwing another random buzzword in the mix as a treat
Apr 30, 2023 9:36 AM

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Why do people associate elitism with taste instead of attitude? You can like the most mainstream shit imaginable, but if you're an asshole about it and believe you're superior to everyone else for liking those things, then you're being an elitist just like the pseuds who think they're more intellectual than the rest of the community because they have LOGH or Lain in their favorites.
Who are you and why do you show your hostility towards a complete stranger whom you've not once spoken with before. Are you seriously asking to get blocked? Well, if that's what your intent is; to tempt me into throwing hands with someone as lowly and insignificant as you, then i may grant your wish provided you articulate yourself a bit better when trying to spite a person of my wavelength.
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I don't see how Bebop can be an  elitist anime when it's one of the most popular "old" anime out there.
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utopica said:
probably shows that are considered artsy and philosophical like The Tatami Galaxy and Mononoke. Lol I haven't even seen these two haha.

They most likely have their guilty pleasure trashy shows as well but can't tell anyone about it :D

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I wanted to know what they consider "a masterpiece" instead of the stuff we are all used to liking
Ping Pong, Tatami Galaxy and other Yuasa-directed stuff, Monster, Berserk, LOGH seem to be frequent picks for the "le masterpiece" title amongst pseuds.

Definitely! though the recent tatami time machine blues is surprisingly actually pretty worthwhile for anyone. No masterpiece still and the charas are pretty uggo. It's made by scienceSaru, so expected.

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i think the holly trinity is Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze and Ergo Proxy

The (un)holy trinity I think is ginga eiyuu, tatami galaxy, and ping pong, all tacked together in the favourites
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probably shows that are considered artsy and philosophical like The Tatami Galaxy and Mononoke. Lol I haven't even seen these two haha.

They most likely have their guilty pleasure trashy shows as well but can't tell anyone about it :D

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Ping Pong, Tatami Galaxy and other Yuasa-directed stuff, Monster, Berserk, LOGH seem to be frequent picks for the "le masterpiece" title amongst pseuds.

Definitely! though the recent tatami time machine blues is surprisingly actually pretty worthwhile for anyone. No masterpiece still and the charas are pretty uggo. It's made by scienceSaru, so expected.
This summarize MAL's concept of elitism pretty well i think. I don't like the character design (in this case, of course can be changed with "i don't like the themes", "i don't like the characters", "i do't like the pacing" etc) of a show = the character design is ugly (because you taste is objective) = people liking it are elitists. In fact since your taste is the only possible one if people like that character design it means they're lying, the reason is actually pretentiousness/hipsterism or so-called "elitism"
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Definitely! though the recent tatami time machine blues is surprisingly actually pretty worthwhile for anyone. No masterpiece still and the charas are pretty uggo. It's made by scienceSaru, so expected.
This summarize MAL's concept of elitism pretty well i think. I don't like the character design (in this case, of course can be changed with "i don't like the themes", "i don't like the characters", "i do't like the pacing" etc) of a show = the character design is ugly (because you taste is objective) = people liking it are elitists. In fact since your taste is the only possible one if people like that character design it means they're lying, the reason is actually pretentiousness/hipsterism or so-called "elitism"

https://myanimelist.net/anime/16201/Aku_no_Hana
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Guess it's more of a mindset or attitude rather than what titles they actually enjoy.
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Nope, I'm from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil. Don't really get why that's relevant but there's that. Anyway, to make a rough comparison it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult. Same themes and setting. Both are great although I've only read the manga for Gundam.

Was asking because anti-intellectualism is prominent in the US particularly. "it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult"
What lmfao. "Shonen" for a light novel based series? "Gundam [...] + Politics"? Lol. Lotgh is 100% an elitist series, It's old, slow paced, long, has serious thematics. These are characteristic that are not allowe to ne enjoyed genuinly in the anime community i'm sorry, you're an elitist

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There are deep fake shows and the actual intellectual shows.

To put is simplier, those who like Code Geass and Utena are real intellectuals while those who like LotGH or FMAB are deep feke sophists.


Some things are just different tastes, that I can agree.

However differences between sophism and philosophy is almost as old as philosophy itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist#Modern_usage

I have no idea what your point here Is.


That is some shows are really deep and deserve praise, while other are not

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ThorLL said:
There are deep fake shows and the actual intellectual shows.

To put is simplier, those who like Code Geass and Utena are real intellectuals while those who like LotGH or FMAB are deep feke sophists.


Some things are just different tastes, that I can agree.

However differences between sophism and philosophy is almost as old as philosophy itself.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sophist#Modern_usage
Yet you watch Elfen Lied and give that a 8 which can be considered deep fake at times


I give truly deep shows 9 and above.

Elfen Lied is good psychological anime with compelling characters, but it is not really that deep to earn 9 from me.

It is still a very good show that very enjoyable.

Also Elfen Lied does not really tries hard to be very deep or anything like it.

However it is good at what it tries to achieve.
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Oznerol7 said:
This summarize MAL's concept of elitism pretty well i think. I don't like the character design (in this case, of course can be changed with "i don't like the themes", "i don't like the characters", "i do't like the pacing" etc) of a show = the character design is ugly (because you taste is objective) = people liking it are elitists. In fact since your taste is the only possible one if people like that character design it means they're lying, the reason is actually pretentiousness/hipsterism or so-called "elitism"

https://myanimelist.net/anime/16201/Aku_no_Hana
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I still have to watch it but i do like rotoscoping, so i guess i could like it indeed. I'm sure i'll be elitist because of that, correct?

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Oznerol7 said:

Was asking because anti-intellectualism is prominent in the US particularly. "it's pretty much gundam -shounen -action +politics and a tiny bit more adult"
What lmfao. "Shonen" for a light novel based series? "Gundam [...] + Politics"? Lol. Lotgh is 100% an elitist series, It's old, slow paced, long, has serious thematics. These are characteristic that are not allowe to ne enjoyed genuinly in the anime community i'm sorry, you're an elitist


I have no idea what your point here Is.


That is some shows are really deep and deserve praise, while other are not
I'm gonna guess the shows actually deserving praise are the ones you also happen to like? Btw my confusion was about the sophism, as a philosophy graduate i can assure you that makes 0 sense in context
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Oznerol7 said:
ChouunShiryuu said:

https://myanimelist.net/anime/16201/Aku_no_Hana
Watch this  (˵ ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°˵)/
There's weight in that pov too
I still have to watch it but i do like rotoscoping, so i guess i could like it indeed. I'm sure i'll be elitist because of that, correct?

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Well, if i see it in one of your fav slots or 10s the next time we meet, then correct indeed lol
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elitists are just egotistic people who can't respect opinion
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Elitists don't actually like anime at all
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i think the holly trinity is Serial Experiments Lain, Texhnolyze and Ergo Proxy


Pretty much, but in Ergo Proxys case it´s SO prententious that it comes back around again and actually becomes kind of a rule-of-cool type of show, at least in my view.
i didnt say they were bad, i actually like Texhnolyze an on Ergo Proxys case i like the lore but i dont like how hard it tries to confuse the viewver
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Deep, intelectual shows you damned plebs are too stupid to understand, providing deep abstract meanings that only true cultured brains can understand like Neon Genesis Evangelion, Serial Experiments Lain, Texnolyze, LOGTH, Berserk, FLCL, Welcome to the NHK, Kaiji and Monster...

Of course this comment is a joke but Ive experienced enough elitists who give some genuinly good shows low ratings over stupid reasons to know that's how they actually act.
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good shows with excellent plot and characters as opposed to shonen trash for 7 year olds or another seasonal isekai
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I think elitists like a lot of shows that are experimental and "in depth," but there are other elitists that just straight up hate anime in general.
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There are deep fake shows and the actual intellectual shows.

To put is simplier, those who like Code Geass and Utena are real intellectuals while those who like LotGH or FMAB are deep feke sophists.

Damn I guess I'm a deep feke sophist for liking FMAB

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Wouldn't answering this question automatically make me an elitist myself?


Yes. Yes it would. To one end or another.
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Elitists can be easily identified by having LOGH in favourites, mean score below 5,5/10 and "everyone is wrong but me" attitude. In extreme cases they even have LOGH in profile picture.
Those people just love to sniff their own farts.
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For heaven's sake, an "elitist" can like ANY SHOW, as long as they are defending it like their life depended on it, ranging from "deep philosophical shows" like Monster ,to the most popular shonen like Naruto. Basically any anime have their own elitists, even K-On has plenty of them ffs
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Nothing. Elitists aren't a unified group with one unified list of what shows they like, they exist in all sorts of forms with different tastes. In fact, I'd say the most common type of elitists are the ones who are elitist about how "normal" their taste is and who shit on anyone who likes a show they consider too "pretentious", which they consider proof they are worse than them for "just wanting to look smart".
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Okay but I just died 

 someone here really said Code Geass is “INTELLECTUAL” and LoTGH is “pseudo intellectual”

Just WOW
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Okay but I just died 

 someone here really said Code Geass is “INTELLECTUAL” and LoTGH is “pseudo intellectual”

Just WOW


That's not really what he said though and he is a troll anyway.
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Elitists don't really like anime...
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