| Honestly I feel the toy commercial criticism mostly comes from the undying Gundam series. I doubt anyone would have considered the three others as toy commercials back when they aired. Pretty sure you start by making your anime original mecha, then make figs out of it if it's successful. |
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| This is a good presentation that covers (chronologically) the biggest misconceptions of the general (western) public about what anime is (from mistaking it for western animation in the early days to thinking it's all gore and tentacle porn in the 80s to thinking it's all kids stuff when Pokemon came around). It's really interesting. |
| I probably regret this post by now. |
| to this day I'm trying to figure out why Date a Live is listed as a Mecha |
Alcoholicide said: to thinking it's all gore and tentacle porn in the 80s We know better nowadays. 80s anime is all gore and tentacle porn, but with awesome OSTs. To be fair tho, from what I can see, the US were importing almost exclusively gore tentacle porn back then after the success of Ninja Scroll. |
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Deathko said: Alcoholicide said: to thinking it's all gore and tentacle porn in the 80s We know better nowadays. 80s anime is all gore and tentacle porn, but with awesome OSTs. To be fair tho, from what I can see, the US were importing almost exclusively gore tentacle porn back then lol. The presentation does always explain how these misconceptions came into being (although I think with a more european than american focus because of location) and he specifically mentions Urotsukidōji being responsible for that because it was the first (or one of them) mature anime for adults to make it to the west, allegedly selling 10.000s of copies in europe (I think he was talking about Great Britain but I don't remember all the details). It kinda got the reputation of this counterculture that the mainstream found 'dangerous' and definitely not suitable for kids or teens and that became both its appeal but also a hindrance in spreading anime popularity to wider parts of the populace. Until Pokemon came and turned it all upside down, starting a generation of people who think the exact opposite, that anime is ONLY for kids. |
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Alcoholicide said: Deathko said: We know better nowadays. 80s anime is all gore and tentacle porn, but with awesome OSTs. To be fair tho, from what I can see, the US were importing almost exclusively gore tentacle porn back then lol. The presentation does always explain how these misconceptions came into being (although I think with a more european than american focus because of location) and he specifically mentions Urotsukidōji being responsible for that because it was the first (or one of them) mature anime for adults to make it to the west, allegedly selling 10.000s of copies in europe (I think he was talking about Great Britain but I don't remember all the details). It kinda got the reputation of this counterculture that the mainstream found 'dangerous' and definitely not suitable for kids or teens and that became both its appeal but also a hindrance in spreading anime popularity to wider parts of the populace. Until Pokemon came and turned it all upside down, starting a generation of people who think the exact opposite, that anime is ONLY for kids. Yep, I heard the legend of Urotsukidoji being picked up by a bunch of innocent 10yo american boys lmao. I really gotta watch that show one day. I can't for the life of me remember if it came to the US before or after Ninja Scroll's success, tho. I remember watching a bunch of really awesome gory 80s OVAs back in the mid 90s here. France TV was all about that GitS/Akira/Ninja Scroll/Iria 10/10 way-too-adult-oriented pearls back then. |
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| I've heard the opposite, where people will say "I can't handle real mecha shows. Sure, I liked Eva, Code Geass, and Gurren Lagann, but those aren't about the robots so they don't count" even though based on that definition literally no mecha anime would count as a mecha. Mecha is a misunderstood genre. People think that just because it's about giant robots that you have to be a particular type of geek to be able to enjoy it, but it has a lot of elements that would appeal to a more mainstream audience. On the topic of misunderstood genres, magical girl also comes to mind. People hold Madoka on the same pedestal as Code Geass and Eva as being "that one magical girl anime I can actually enjoy because it isn't just a cutesy girly pile of fluff" even though the things that make Madoka enjoyable are actually found commonly in other magical girl anime. People are afraid of the genre because of their own stereotypes of it, just like with mecha. |
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TheMechaManiac said: The "MAL Three" (Evangelion, Code Geass, Gurren Lagann) are the only "real mecha" shows. 100% agreed on this. Code Geass never gave any feeling of a mecha anime. |
syber_ said: to this day I'm trying to figure out why Date a Live is listed as a Mecha Holy shit it actually is. why in the world... |
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Alcoholicide said: thinking it's all gore and tentacle porn in the 80s That's the biggest misconception I've ever heard. Because it also spreads to the 90s, look Genocyber. |
| The misconception that Cardcaptors is an incomplete dub with episodes aired in the wrong order. This is only true for the USA broadcast. Other countries with access to this very dub aired all 70 episodes in their Japanese order. https://ccsakura.fandom.com/wiki/Cardcaptors |
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| A lot of people (particularly manga fans) said an anime is bad simply because the adaptation doesn't exactly follow the source material. I just never understand this concepts at all. I think every adaptation should be able to stand on its two feet, not whether or not it resembles the original enough. If the anime manages to tell a good story, the concerns will have been rendered moot. Having said that, yes there's a lot of example anime ended up being sucks because it took liberties but I'm merely saying simply being different from the source material is not enough to justify an anime as bad. |
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| The mecha one is too accurate, i'd add "they've finished the budget/have low budget/whatever budget" anytime there's production issues (and viceversa, "such high budget" anytime production is good) and, connected to this, the "thanks MAPPA/Wit/Madhouse/Ufotable/whatever studio for the great animations" thing, as if they're not made mostly by free-lance animators (yes i know there are exception where the studios have a specific stylistic approach or whatever, but that's defenitely not the norm). Also the use of the term "fanservice" only to indicate lewd scenes Hacker_4chan said: TheMechaManiac said: Especially wrong is to call the "MAL Three" (Evangelion, Code Geass, Gurren Lagann) the only "real mecha" shows. True, these three aren't even real mecha Bruh i can understand NGE but TTGL and Code Geass are like quintessentialy mecha Maxtronex said: TheMechaManiac said: The "MAL Three" (Evangelion, Code Geass, Gurren Lagann) are the only "real mecha" shows. 100% agreed on this. Code Geass never gave any feeling of a mecha anime. It's the most mecha thing ever |
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TheMechaManiac said: The mecha genre hasn't been just about toys ever since Mobile Suit Gundam proved that there is a market for more serious shows that mix mecha action with more complex themes. 1. Gundam switched to gunpla - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam_model which are model kits, totally not toys since nerds play with those not children... 2. Other mecha franchises (Eva for example) are absolutely happy to sell toys and pre-assembled models. 3. Promoting some sort of merchandise was never an issue for me. My problem is with shows like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh which do exactly that but never bother telling some sort of interesting story...and people still watch those and have fun...not sure why. |
In Code Geass mechs are basically an afterthought, that actively take away from the main story, once the power scaling becomes stupid. |
alshu said: TheMechaManiac said: The mecha genre hasn't been just about toys ever since Mobile Suit Gundam proved that there is a market for more serious shows that mix mecha action with more complex themes. 1. Gundam switched to gunpla - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gundam_model which are model kits, totally not toys since nerds play with those not children... 2. Other mecha franchises (Eva for example) are absolutely happy to sell toys and pre-assembled models. 3. Promoting some sort of merchandise was never an issue for me. My problem is with shows like Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh which do exactly that but never bother telling some sort of interesting story...and people still watch those and have fun...not sure why. "Hasn't JUST been" means something very specific tho, doesn't really mean they don't. Cowboy Bebop was supposed to seel toys too. Pre-Gundam mecha ANIME were 100% only supposed to sell toys and various gadgets, Gundam wasn't, the toy part was just the compromise JaniSIr said: In Code Geass mechs are basically an afterthought, that actively take away from the main story, once the power scaling becomes stupid. Like in almost any post 80s mecha anime |
zombie_pegasus said: On the topic of misunderstood genres, magical girl also comes to mind. People hold Madoka on the same pedestal as Code Geass and Eva as being "that one magical girl anime I can actually enjoy because it isn't just a cutesy girly pile of fluff" even though the things that make Madoka enjoyable are actually found commonly in other magical girl anime. People are afraid of the genre because of their own stereotypes of it, just like with mecha. I mean, yeah, what's the point of a Magical Girl show if it's not depressive? |
Oznerol7 said: JaniSIr said: In Code Geass mechs are basically an afterthought, that actively take away from the main story, once the power scaling becomes stupid. Like in almost any post 80s mecha anime Can you actually sell one of those without mentioning mechs, and not even misrepresenting what they are about? |
zombie_pegasus said: I've heard the opposite, where people will say "I can't handle real mecha shows. Sure, I liked Eva, Code Geass, and Gurren Lagann, but those aren't about the robots so they don't count" even though based on that definition literally no mecha anime would count as a mecha. Mecha is a misunderstood genre. People think that just because it's about giant robots that you have to be a particular type of geek to be able to enjoy it, but it has a lot of elements that would appeal to a more mainstream audience. On the topic of misunderstood genres, magical girl also comes to mind. People hold Madoka on the same pedestal as Code Geass and Eva as being "that one magical girl anime I can actually enjoy because it isn't just a cutesy girly pile of fluff" even though the things that make Madoka enjoyable are actually found commonly in other magical girl anime. People are afraid of the genre because of their own stereotypes of it, just like with mecha. I'm sorry not to be annoying but the first part of your message (that i agree with fully) seems to kind of contradict with the idea you cannot hold Madoka on the same pedestal of CG: Neither of them are innovative or anything new (and actually i'd argue Madoka is a fresher concept than CG), both of them are what popularized that kind of story within the genre in their own generation. If anything the two that cannot be put on the same pedestal are NGE and CG |
JaniSIr said: Can you actually sell one of those without mentioning mechs, and not even misrepresenting what they are about? Absolutely yes, Gundam is already an example since the interesting part is the fantapolitics, depressed and stressed-out teenagers and cool theatrical characters like Char (at least if we're talking about the UC series, then there's G Gundam that's, well, something). Or to go more modern Fullmetal Panic, that has mechs as any other technology and mainly focus on slice of life aspect, and non-mecha action/thriller aspects, and so on and so forth, there are really few mecha that are interesting specifically because of the mecha aspect |
TheMechaManiac said: JaniSIr said: In Code Geass mechs are basically an afterthought, that actively take away from the main story, once the power scaling becomes stupid. They literally kickstarted the plot as the super-advanced weapon used to invade Japan. Not an afterthought if you ask me. It's actually a parallel to Gundam since the first Gundam show also had the protagonists rely on a limited number of mechs. Code Geass is quite literally your classic Sunrise real robot mecha anime and I don't get the people who think it isn't. I mean just look how little the manga makes sense without the mecha. Oh ye, the super advanced robots that are obsolete in episode 2. The Geass Power is integral to the plot, otherwise Lelouch couldn't have done basically anything, although he claims otherwise. But how was Japan invaded kind of doesn't matter. Also, Code Geass is an anime original... |
TheMechaManiac said: JaniSIr said: Can you actually sell one of those without mentioning mechs, and not even misrepresenting what they are about? Yes you can. Gundam can be described as an anime about war. Macross can be described as an anime about understanding the unknown and romance. VOTOMS is the quest of a man to find his lost love. It's really that simple. I have a question tho, in the Op you mentioned the mecha devaluation being Gigguk fault. Now let's say i'm not that guy (or TT in general) biggest fan, quite the opposite, but by searching "Gigguk mecha" i only found a couple of historical videos were he was kind of accurate and didn't really seemed prejudiced, what were you referring to? |
Oznerol7 said: I didn't say it couldn't, I was just comparing how they are treated. Code Geass and Madoka are both standouts of their respective genres despite not being as unique as people make them out to be since most casual fans don't bother to venture any deeper into those genres.zombie_pegasus said: I've heard the opposite, where people will say "I can't handle real mecha shows. Sure, I liked Eva, Code Geass, and Gurren Lagann, but those aren't about the robots so they don't count" even though based on that definition literally no mecha anime would count as a mecha. Mecha is a misunderstood genre. People think that just because it's about giant robots that you have to be a particular type of geek to be able to enjoy it, but it has a lot of elements that would appeal to a more mainstream audience. On the topic of misunderstood genres, magical girl also comes to mind. People hold Madoka on the same pedestal as Code Geass and Eva as being "that one magical girl anime I can actually enjoy because it isn't just a cutesy girly pile of fluff" even though the things that make Madoka enjoyable are actually found commonly in other magical girl anime. People are afraid of the genre because of their own stereotypes of it, just like with mecha. I'm sorry not to be annoying but the first part of your message (that i agree with fully) seems to kind of contradict with the idea you cannot hold Madoka on the same pedestal of CG: Neither of them are innovative or anything new (and actually i'd argue Madoka is a fresher concept than CG), both of them are what popularized that kind of story within the genre in their own generation. If anything the two that cannot be put on the same pedestal are NGE and CG |
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deg said: misconception - bigger budget means better quality source - common sense about factory production and that money can buy more talent debunk - talented animators are rare but anime production this days are increasing heavily so not enough talented animators to animate things in at least decent quality, plus animators are not paid a lot even talented animators and super animators are not paid so much to stick to one anime project alone, all animators are doing multiple anime projects Yup this is likely the most widespread. I think it has to do with the fact we're more used to live-action cinema production were this is sort of true |
Oznerol7 said: Pre-Gundam mecha ANIME were 100% only supposed to sell toys and various gadgets Still some of those had actual story and messages to get across. What Gundam did was selling merchandise to nerds not kids. |
Oznerol7 said: Absolutely yes, Gundam is already an example since the interesting part is the fantapolitics, depressed and stressed-out teenagers and cool theatrical characters like Char (at least if we're talking about the UC series, then there's G Gundam that's, well, something). Or to go more modern Fullmetal Panic, that has mechs as any other technology and mainly focus on slice of life aspect, and non-mecha action/thriller aspects, and so on and so forth, there are really few mecha that are interesting specifically because of the mecha aspect TheMechaManiac said: Yes you can. Gundam can be described as an anime about war. Macross can be described as an anime about understanding the unknown and romance. VOTOMS is the quest of a man to find his lost love. It's really that simple. Okay, this was a stupid challenge, since I can't actually confirm how accurate those descriptions are. On the other hand, you aren't good at marketing. |
deg said: misconception - bigger budget means better quality source - common sense about factory production and that money can buy more talent debunk - talented animators are rare but anime production this days are increasing heavily so not enough talented animators to animate things in at least decent quality, plus animators are not paid a lot even talented animators and super animators are not paid so much to stick to one anime project alone, all animators are doing multiple anime projects Post from earlier this week about why anime characters wear the same outfits. Almost the entire thread answered budget. what TheMechaManiac said: Oznerol7 said: I have a question tho, in the Op you mentioned the mecha devaluation being Gigguk fault. Now let's say i'm not that guy (or TT in general) biggest fan, quite the opposite, but by searching "Gigguk mecha" i only found a couple of historical videos were he was kind of accurate and didn't really seemed prejudiced, what were you referring to? This is more of an off-hand thing they occasionally mention throughout their videos. Gigguk is a big doomer though Other than being a perpetrator of the whole "anime is trash and so am I" thing, I think Gigguk is almost exactly anti-doomer. The most doomer opinion in anime right now has to do with the rise of isekai, and he is obviously very established as having a positive opinion of isekai. Being an anime doomer would mean believing anime has gotten worse and will only continue to get worse, and whether you like him or not, he is categorically on the "anime has gotten better recently" side. |
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Aroo-nyan said: A lot of people (particularly manga fans) said an anime is bad simply because the adaptation doesn't exactly follow the source material. I just never understand this concepts at all. I think every adaptation should be able to stand on its two feet, not whether or not it resembles the original enough. If the anime manages to tell a good story, the concerns will have been rendered moot. Having said that, yes there's a lot of example anime ended up being sucks because it took liberties but I'm merely saying simply being different from the source material is not enough to justify an anime as bad. I agree with this. Gakkougurashi took a ton of liberties and the adaptation is arguably better than the manga for what parts they both covered. I love them both but sometimes differences can be good. |
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| @_FRB_ Isn't the main reason they tend to wear the same clothes typically to make it easier to animate. In which I mean they have fewer things to design and worry about during production. Another big reason would have to be with making a character iconic or something too. I really thought the big thing was having to make multiple designs just increases the work load basically. |
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Calal-Chan said: @_FRB_ Isn't the main reason they tend to wear the same clothes typically to make it easier to animate. In which I mean they have fewer things to design and worry about during production. Another big reason would have to be with making a character iconic or something too. I really thought the big thing was having to make multiple designs just increases the work load basically. I'd say the second more than the first, here's why this is something that mostly happens with teenage-aimed anime. But it's still not the budget, it's not like you spend more money in making more detailed or varied clothes, you just spend more time to draw the frames and therefore you could fuck up the schedule |
| Shounen is not the only genre of anime Idk how many times I hear people say they don't like anime because it's all fighting |
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TheMechaManiac said: I'm not going to convince you since you have your mind made up, but a demographic is a genre. A theme is a genre. Any kind of classification can be genres.Shounen actually isn't a genre at all. It's a demographic alongside shoujo, seinen and josei. Another really common misconception. If you think about it, anime marketed toward a demographic must have a range of traits that is different (but not exclusively) than anime marketed toward another demographic. That difference must reflect in the traits of the anime, it's narrative tone, plot types and depth, character motivations, etc. That makes it a genre. |
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TheMechaManiac said: Jamison2210 said: Shounen is not the only genre of anime Idk how many times I hear people say they don't like anime because it's all fighting Shounen actually isn't a genre at all. It's a demographic alongside shoujo, seinen and josei. Another really common misconception. ^This, also if we really want to be accurate shounen, shoujo etc are NOT anime targets but only manga targets, in fact anime target are the time slots, and sometimes it's not even exactly the same target as the manga it adapted (for example anime adapatation of a shounen manga put in the children time-slot, like One Piece) |
Calal-Chan said: @_FRB_ Isn't the main reason they tend to wear the same clothes typically to make it easier to animate. In which I mean they have fewer things to design and worry about during production. Another big reason would have to be with making a character iconic or something too. I really thought the big thing was having to make multiple designs just increases the work load basically. Maybe, but without rehashing that recent thread entirely, some reasons that make infinitely more sense to me. 1. The anime takes place almost entirely where characters don't wear different clothes. There's nothing lazy or unusual about characters in a series that takes place exclusively before, during, and after the school day always being seen in their school uniform. 2. Character identity, which you also mention. This covers a good chunk of anime that are not in a realistic setting, and it's also why characters in western cartoons usually wear the same clothes. 3. Source material. A reason that ultimately borrows from the previous two, but is also the most likely when its applicable. It's not like the workload for a mangaka is necessarily more for drawing a character in a different outfit in a different scene. They still have to draw it again regardless. I really think all examples of shows where characters don't change clothes (of which I think there are also fewer than people think) are explained by any of these. Maybe I am underestimating the time it takes to design a new outfit for a new character, but I don't think so. Even more so like I said it definitely isn't related to budget. |
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katsucats said: TheMechaManiac said: I'm not going to convince you since you have your mind made up, but a demographic is a genre. A theme is a genre. Any kind of classification can be genres.Shounen actually isn't a genre at all. It's a demographic alongside shoujo, seinen and josei. Another really common misconception. If you think about it, anime marketed toward a demographic must have a range of traits that is different (but not exclusively) than anime marketed toward another demographic. That difference must reflect in the traits of the anime, it's narrative tone, plot types and depth, character motivations, etc. That makes it a genre. No, it defenitely isn't, not target at least, although we can surely call themes a "subgenre". And no, they have 0 need to have a shared "range of traits" and you just have to look at the completely different kind of stories each target has. Even less if we talk about tone, there's a shit-ton of light-hearted seinen as there are dark and grim shonen and shoujo, Junji Ito is mostly a shoujo author. A genre is about the content of the story, target is external to the story itself and just refer to the main demographic they're aimed to |
TheMechaManiac said: katsucats said: I'm not going to convince you since you have your mind made up, but a demographic is a genre. A theme is a genre. Any kind of classification can be genres. If you think about it, anime marketed toward a demographic must have a range of traits that is different (but not exclusively) than anime marketed toward another demographic. That difference must reflect in the traits of the anime, it's narrative tone, plot types and depth, character motivations, etc. That makes it a genre. You're contradicting yourself. At first you say any classification can be a genre... but then you talk of the narrative tone, characterwork, plot styling etc. That's not a genre. A genre is defined (IMO) by the kind of plot devices (i.e. magic, robots, superpowers) the author chooses to use as tools to craft a world and everything populating that world. I mean at least plot progression and setting can be part of the genre (or, for example, western wouldn't be a genre, or anything having supernatural phenomenon would be the same genre), but it's still something that does not apply to targets |
TheMechaManiac said: You clearly have a narrow understanding of what constitutes "plot devices" or "genres". First of all, everything is a plot device. Second of all, magic, robots and superpowers are no more a plot device than young children, older children or adults. That's an arbitrary distinction that you're taking for granted.katsucats said: I'm not going to convince you since you have your mind made up, but a demographic is a genre. A theme is a genre. Any kind of classification can be genres. If you think about it, anime marketed toward a demographic must have a range of traits that is different (but not exclusively) than anime marketed toward another demographic. That difference must reflect in the traits of the anime, it's narrative tone, plot types and depth, character motivations, etc. That makes it a genre. You're contradicting yourself. At first you say any classification can be a genre... but then you talk of the narrative tone, characterwork, plot styling etc. That's not a genre. A genre is defined (IMO) by the kind of plot devices (i.e. magic, robots, superpowers) the author chooses to use as tools to craft a world and everything populating that world. Oznerol7 said: Despite the range in tones, there is clearly some aspects that unify the body that we call shounen; otherwise, it would be meaningless whenever someone says they prefer shounen or seinen. Yet, we clearly have an understanding when people talk about shounen anime, that they're talking about specific kinds of anime. katsucats said: I'm not going to convince you since you have your mind made up, but a demographic is a genre. A theme is a genre. Any kind of classification can be genres. If you think about it, anime marketed toward a demographic must have a range of traits that is different (but not exclusively) than anime marketed toward another demographic. That difference must reflect in the traits of the anime, it's narrative tone, plot types and depth, character motivations, etc. That makes it a genre. No, it defenitely isn't, not target at least, although we can surely call themes a "subgenre". And no, they have 0 need to have a shared "range of traits" and you just have to look at the completely different kind of stories each target has. Even less if we talk about tone, there's a shit-ton of light-hearted seinen as there are dark and grim shonen and shoujo, Junji Ito is mostly a shoujo author. A genre is about the content of the story, target is external to the story itself and just refer to the main demographic they're aimed to I think the extraordinary claim would be rather that shounen anime is exactly the same as every other kind of anime, that there's no difference, that you could put any shounen anime in a seinen magazine or vice versa and no one could tell the difference. That's just not realistic at all. |
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| Shounen is totally a genre. The fact that you know what people talk about when they say "shounen genre" proves it... It just happens to be a word, that was bastardized from a target demographic for mangas. |
Oznerol7 said: Let's go into a little bit more detail. Even within light-hearted shows, there is a difference between light-hearted shounen and light-hearted seinen. And then in grim dark shows, there is a difference between grim dark shounen and grim dark seinen. The difference is in the focus, the nuance in character actions, the moral relativism acceptable to older audiences, the political depth of the plot, and the type of problems that the characters have. There might be a lot of overlap between the two, but on average they do not converge.Even less if we talk about tone, there's a shit-ton of light-hearted seinen as there are dark and grim shonen and shoujo, Junji Ito is mostly a shoujo author. A genre is about the content of the story, target is external to the story itself and just refer to the main demographic they're aimed to Having a target must necessarily convey something about the content itself. If there's no change in the content, then having the target would be superfluous. If content is exactly the same whether I market it to adults or 5 year old children, then there would be no purpose to marketing something specifically to adults or 5 year old children. We know that is not the case. There is a world of difference between adult novels and scholastic novels. |
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| [quote=katsucats message=66223592] TheMechaManiac said: Despite the range in tones, there is clearly some aspects that unify the body that we call shounen; otherwise, it would be meaningless whenever someone says they prefer shounen or seinen. Indeed it is. Yet, we clearly have an understanding when people talk about shounen anime, that they're talking about specific kinds of anime. We have a sort of understanding because the term has been misused IN THE WEST (i doubt you'll ever find a japanese person using terms like "battle shonen", "shonen anime" ecc), but it's still completely inaccurate. In fact a lot of people saying they "like seinen anime" end up mentioning things like Death Note, Devilman, Attack on Titan, Code Geass ecc and viceversa with shounen people may mention One Punch Man or Cowboy Bebop for example), showing that while we may have a sort of idea of what people mean by shonen "as a genre" it's an arbitrary cathegorization that actually led to a lot of different interpretation of what is and isn't I think the extraordinary claim would be rather that shounen anime is exactly the same as every other kind of anime My claim is actually that shounen anime DON'T EXIST, since those are manga targets that are not directly applied to anime adaptations (and of course not to anime originals or for other sources) that there's no difference, that you could put any shounen anime in a seinen magazine or vice versa and no one could tell the difference. That's just not realistic at all. and yet people daily call manga published in shounen magazines "seinen" (or, even worse, "seinen in shounen clothing") because of "themes", "profoundity" or whatever, as they'd call more action-packed seinen "shounen", more romantic shounen and seinen shoujo etc. So it's VERY realistic P.S. Fuck i really sucks at quoting |
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