Attack on Titan
| Stick with the manga ending but expand on it. Even with the flaws the ending has, it is clear what ideas and themes Isayama wanted to portray. The anime is a chance to express his ideas better. |
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| Yeah as some people said below, personally I don't think changing the ending can make it better, at least Isayama could try to develop a better way to express and convey his ideas through the chapters that are closer to the end by expanding it. |
| AoE needs to happen otherwise there will be mass rage on some Game of Thrones S8 type of shit lol |
_Maneki-Neko_ said: Invaderzz has really brainwashed you all into accepting his circular logic and pure inconsistent and baseless headcanon lolThe manga ending is pretty good, some people just jumping on the hate train without thinking it through. I_Am_Freeballing said: Stick with the manga ending but expand on it. Even with the flaws the ending has, it is clear what ideas and themes Isayama wanted to portray. The anime is a chance to express his ideas better. Thought the same. |
| I'd say Manga ending with better execution. |
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| The problem is the entire final arc is lackluster in comparison to everything else AoT offers. Changing the ending or even expanding on it only adds a layer of paint to an already scratched surface. I would honestly have rather seen an entirely different story play out starting from 124 onward (preferably horror / dementia to the max). |
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| Anime original, anything is better than the dumpster fire isayama gave us. |
| Stick with the manga, the anime is already a good adaptation so far. The themes portrayed are very good and there could be no better way to end the manga after the rumbling.. |
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deg said: Attack on Titan has multiple paths to an ending like a Visual Novel What the fuck are you talking about? Please explain how there are 3 timelines because thats the most retarded thing Ive read today. |
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| We have no guarantee if anime original ending would satisfy the fans. If it goes the mist path, I'm fine with it. But the manga ending explained thoroughly is my preference. |
Weebookey said: You cannot be serious loldeg said: Attack on Titan has multiple paths to an ending like a Visual Novel What the fuck are you talking about? Please explain how there are 3 timelines because thats the most retarded thing Ive read today. Once the whole concept of Ymir and the Paths were introduced, the concept of there being multiple timelines was put on the table and Eren himself even stated that he tried many times to get certain desired outcomes as well. But as for what he's directly talking about, 138 pretty much showed us that there is a timeline where Eren and Mikasa ran away instead of facing the issues at hand and then the second timeline is the manga timeline where Eren ended up dying etc Now the third timeline is only a theory, but that's essentially what AoE is...There's a lot of evidence to suggest the anime will be a different timeline. Just check youtube and you'll see plenty videos explaining what it is (I recommend you check out either Always Tryhard's channel or Arveus' channel in this case for a more detailed and coherent explanation on everything) |
TokoyaJan 20, 2022 5:55 AM
CrimsonGeek said: Only for up to 131...Everything after and especially 139 completely contradicts what was set upManga ending, obviously. All the steps up to 123 completely paved the way for what followed. Changing the ending will leave the series with an incoherent follow up and conclusion to the ideas and character arcs presented up to 123. Isayama on the other hand has always used the anime to improve things he thinks he didn't portray as well in the manga. Since he himself has confirmed that he didn't manage to portray the series themes as well as he wanted to do, he has the chance to fix whatever wrongs he did and give an imporved finale. |
deg said: Weebookey said: What the fuck are you talking about? Please explain how there are 3 timelines because thats the most retarded thing Ive read today. not literal timelines but paths to the ending is what im implying like this one, there are at least 2 paths or foreshadowing to the ending reverse mist ending or AnR foreshadowing - chapter 089 - the owl said to grisha to do the plan in order to save mikasa, armin and others - chapter 108 - eren wants his friends to live long lives so he will not pass the attack titan to any of them - chapter 127 - mikasa x jean foreshadowing - chapter 133 - reiner said to mikasas face that eren wants someone to stop him but ye the AnR ending has some foreshadowing too so im not saying there are no reason for it to be the ending too If it’s not literal timelines then ur spouting nonsense? 139 has happened, that’s it, that’s the end. Regardless of ur ANR theories and shit lol. There is only 1 timeline in the series…. - chapter 89: that was clearly Eren sending memories back, this was explained in 121 - chapter 108: I’m not sure what ur trying to say here, but this has no relation to an alt timeline - chapter 127: how is that foreshadow? That’s literally jean thinking of his ideal life, mikasa or Pieck or even another woman, nothing is confirmed…. I think ur too fixated on the fact that it will not be anime only ending and ANR is not possible lol |
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Tokoya said: Weebookey said: You cannot be serious lolWhat the fuck are you talking about? Please explain how there are 3 timelines because thats the most retarded thing Ive read today. Once the whole concept of Ymir and the Paths were introduced, the concept of there being multiple timelines was put on the table and Eren himself even stated that he tried many times to get certain desired outcomes as well. But as for what he's directly talking about, 138 pretty much showed us that there is a timeline where Eren and Mikasa ran away instead of facing the issues at hand and then the second timeline is the manga timeline where Eren ended up dying etc Now the third timeline is only a theory, but that's essentially what AoE is...There's a lot of evidence to suggest the anime will be a different timeline. Just check youtube and you'll see plenty videos explaining what it is (I recommend you check out either Always Tryhard's channel or Arveus' channel in this case for a more detailed and coherent explanation on everything) How is Ymir and paths related to another timeline? 138 was also a memory or at least mikasas envision of an alternative time where they ran away, you can tell by the broken paneling shown multiple times in the manga… it’s not another timeline lmao |
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deg said: Weebookey said: If it’s not literal timelines then ur spouting nonsense? 139 has happened, that’s it, that’s the end. Regardless of ur ANR theories and shit lol. There is only 1 timeline in the series…. - chapter 89: that was clearly Eren sending memories back, this was explained in 121 - chapter 108: I’m not sure what ur trying to say here, but this has no relation to an alt timeline - chapter 127: how is that foreshadow? That’s literally jean thinking of his ideal life, mikasa or Pieck or even another woman, nothing is confirmed…. I think ur too fixated on the fact that it will not be anime only ending and ANR is not possible lol youre being too literal and you are misunderstanding me a lot im saying there can be an alternative ending and not literal other timelines since Attack on Titan is a fixed timeline or deterministic universe im not a fan of AnR ending or the Mist Ending thats why i showed that there are foreshadowing to the reverse AnR ending or Mist Ending AnR/Mist ending - the main character killed their love ones reverse AnR/Mist ending - the loved ones killed the main character as for the foreshadowing of the Mist Ending and AnR ending you already know that from reading them among their fans like Eren wants total freedom first so he should complete world genocide and want to save Paradis and make Historia his waifu and they will point to you what chapters are those Your initial claim is that is has multiple endings like a VN?? Foreshadowing for anything can appear if you think too hard, just look at the brain rot in this fandom alone. People need to accept that Mappa will follow the manga and there will be no anime only ending. Eren x Historia is literally impossible lol |
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deg said: Weebookey said: Your initial claim is that is has multiple endings like a VN?? Foreshadowing for anything can appear if you think too hard, just look at the brain rot in this fandom alone. People need to accept that Mappa will follow the manga and there will be no anime only ending. Eren x Historia is literally impossible lol again i speak of VN as "like a VN" its an analogy or figuratively rather than literally It never had multiple endings to begin with π so your point? |
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deg said: i already said it can at least have 2 paths to an ending because of the foreshadowings of both potential endings its just that Isayama chose one ending obviously because its not a VN its hard talking to you that thinks too literally Then speak more literally, words have meanings and I can’t understand something your thinking of if u don’t portray it well. The mist ending was scrapped a very long time ago, that’s all there is to it lol. Mappa will be adapting the manga the hopium is insane to the other ppl here who clearly didn’t read it properly π€·βοΈ |
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Weebookey said: Idk if you're actually serious here or trolling but fine I'll hold your handTokoya said: You cannot be serious lol Once the whole concept of Ymir and the Paths were introduced, the concept of there being multiple timelines was put on the table and Eren himself even stated that he tried many times to get certain desired outcomes as well. But as for what he's directly talking about, 138 pretty much showed us that there is a timeline where Eren and Mikasa ran away instead of facing the issues at hand and then the second timeline is the manga timeline where Eren ended up dying etc Now the third timeline is only a theory, but that's essentially what AoE is...There's a lot of evidence to suggest the anime will be a different timeline. Just check youtube and you'll see plenty videos explaining what it is (I recommend you check out either Always Tryhard's channel or Arveus' channel in this case for a more detailed and coherent explanation on everything) How is Ymir and paths related to another timeline? 138 was also a memory or at least mikasas envision of an alternative time where they ran away, you can tell by the broken paneling shown multiple times in the manga… it’s not another timeline lmao |
TokoyaJan 20, 2022 4:25 PM
| The panels literally "break" indicating a memory. AOT does not have a alternative timelines, it is in a fixed timeline where despite influencing the past, certain events are fixed. Meaning, no matter what a time traveller does to change/influence the past, the circumstances will find a way to make that event happen. Eren cannot change the past nor the future. He can only influence how it happens. The whole tragedy of his character is him trapped within his destiny and the best he can do with the powers of the attack titan and founding titan is knowledge of what will happen, given what his "future" self has sent back to grisha/owl and small influences in the past to make things happen in a way that suits him best.... Please tell me how these pages do not indicate a memory being brought up..... Jfc there's no point fighting over such a dumb statement... if u cant even comprehend that these are mere false or artificial memories created by Eren then there's no hope.. AOT is truly one of the most misunderstood series ever LOL |
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Weebookey said: It's amazing how your rebuttal doesn't refute anything that I said and instead is just you doubling down on what you already stated in the beginningThe panels literally "break" indicating a memory. AOT does not have a alternative timelines, it is in a fixed timeline where despite influencing the past, certain events are fixed. Meaning, no matter what a time traveller does to change/influence the past, the circumstances will find a way to make that event happen. Eren cannot change the past nor the future. He can only influence how it happens. The whole tragedy of his character is him trapped within his destiny and the best he can do with the powers of the attack titan and founding titan is knowledge of what will happen, given what his "future" self has sent back to grisha/owl and small influences in the past to make things happen in a way that suits him best.... Please tell me how these pages do not indicate a memory being brought up..... Jfc there's no point fighting over such a dumb statement... if u cant even comprehend that these are mere false or artificial memories created by Eren then there's no hope.. AOT is truly one of the most misunderstood series ever LOL But like I said, Isayama already confirmed that School Caste (Which is an alternate timeline or universe - However you want to call it) is canon to the story lol https://twitter.com/shingeki__kun/status/1402349424584511488?t=J6FGjX6R6DtW758QbxRsGQ&s=19 So no matter how much you want to deny the existence of this fact (I've already told you before that AoT is an intentional ripoff of Muv-Luv which is all about different timelines lol) Isayama and the evidence I gave>>>>>>Your headcanon The only thing left to see now is if MAPPA/The Anime is actually going to do the AoE timeline As for what's in the spoiler, you're literally falling over your argument at this point....What's in those memories are alternate timelines....The definition of a fucking memory are things that you the individual have experienced before in the past....So as such, how can they not be an alternate timeline when we already know how the fucking paths work. You tried to use Bert as an example....Eren explicitly stated that he had to make it so that Bert doesn't get eaten because if that happened THE TIMELINE WILL DIVERGE (WHICH IS HOW ALTERNATE TIMELINES COME ABOUT), and the desired ending that he pupeteered into happening wouldnt come to fruition. Eren chose to allow events to play out this way yes, but he honestly didn't have to if he doesn't want to, the only thing that matters here is that he has the ability to play with time as he sees fit. Heck, in the pages where we see memory shards, some of those shards aren't even from the manga and are only in the anime, and some were from future chapters as well (One of the shards is from School Caste too even lol) Stop posting random panels to prove a point you never even had lol But if you don't believe me, it's all in the narrative....The similarities to Muv-Luv in this story are strong as hell which should surprise nobody because Isayama already made note of it multiple times https://youtu.be/U5oaTw9O85k |
TokoyaJan 20, 2022 11:41 PM
| Fuck this is retarded. That’s an alternative timeline if they lived in modern day, it has no relevance the the main story timeline… This whole thread is about the one and only manga ending lmfaoo |
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Weebookey said: You're the most stubborn guy I've met on here in a while lol....I provide you with all the evidence in the world (Even some from the creator himself) and still you're holding on to your own baseless headcanon LMFAOOOOOO. Then you go on to further prove that your reading comprehension skills are lacking by falling back on this notion of this thread being solely about the manga ending, even though the thread is actually about whether we think the anime should have an original ending or not xDDFuck this is retarded. That’s an alternative timeline if they lived in modern day, it has no relevance the the main story timeline… This whole thread is about the one and only manga ending lmfaoo Listen, AoE doesn't invalidate your precious manga ending (It invalidates your questionably hilarious headcanon for sure though but still). The manga ending still happened and it's not going anywhere, but as I pointed out already this whole thing is akin to different routes in a VN where we all can chose the outcome/result that we want....You have your shitshow known as the manga timeline, and people like me who want the story to stay true to how it's been set up to end up originally, want it to play out as close as it can get inside of the anime....Hence AoE If this actually happens I'll take back every bad thing that I said about Isayama all those months ago too lol |
| Mappa is adapting the manga 1:1 there nothing else to say about it π There is no timelines that end like a damn VN jfc lol |
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Weebookey said: Depending on which moment they decide to end the next episode on (Personally I think they should cut the episode right when the heads gets shot off so that the anime onlys can lose their fucking minds just like a lot of us did in the manga lol) we may get another hint if AoE is happening....It basically depends on Mikasa's scarf in the memory shard,, but that requires them to end it once Zeke makes contact....I think some leaks for this episode suggested that this might be in this episode as wellMappa is adapting the manga 1:1 there nothing else to say about it π There is no timelines that end like a damn VN jfc lol |
CrimsonGeek said: It does because up to 123, the entire story of the series followed philosophies of things like rational self-interest and actively opposed/rejected themes and philosophies such as collective altruism which is basically what everything after 123 (And mostly after 131) randomly tried to throw into the narrative and justify, and as such this is why these last few chapters are plain and simply contradictive of what came beforeTokoya said: Only for up to 131...Everything after and especially 139 completely contradicts what was set up Nope, it doesn't. Armin and co wanting to save the world makes no fucking sense because the world only wanted to use them and then once they saw that the Rumbling was possible, they all collectively decided to take out Paradis....Peace was never going to be realistically attainable and as we saw in the extra pages, they paid the ultimate price for a stupid ass decision that never should have been made Throughout the entirety of Attack of Titan, the only conclusion this story can come to narratively and logically come to is genocide and yes it's fucked up to think about, but you have to take your own personal modern day morals out of it and see the situation for what it always was Whether it be kill all the titans, kill marley or kill the world...The theme/end goal always stayed the same...Co-existence will never be possible if one or both sides refuses to play together, so at that point its either us or them But if anything, watch this video that I'm gonna link below, it goes over everything in extreme detail with concrete evidence and analysis https://youtu.be/Hr44dBCWcHY |
TokoyaJan 21, 2022 9:42 AM
I thought copium ended with Chapter 139. This thread has the greatest amount of copium I have ever seen since the ending was published. An anime-original ending is extremely unlikely, unless the staff or Isayama "at least" hint at it. Everything mentioned in this thread are just mere speculations. It's the harsh truth guys, but you really need to stop with deluding yourselves. Yeah, I really hope the manga ending changes, but there is no way this is gonna happen. It's painful. It's really painful, I know that. But we just have to keep moving forward. |
| There's no guarantee that a new anime-only ending will please the fans. That might trigger more manga readers IMO. I liked the last chapter even though it wasn't the best. But if the anime fleshes out the final chapter and its themes a bit more, then it can be a pretty fair ending. |
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| Original ending and somehow it's still worse than the manga's would be fascinating. |
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Zekkenshin said: The problem is the entire final arc is lackluster in comparison to everything else AoT offers. Changing the ending or even expanding on it only adds a layer of paint to an already scratched surface. I would honestly have rather seen an entirely different story play out starting from 124 onward (preferably horror / dementia to the max). Why is no one talking about this? |
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